Haydn- where to begin?
Mike
OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip hop, I
don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled in listening
to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it seems every time I
find something interesting on the dial, it turns out to be by Haydn.
Having said that, where do I begin? Then, from there, question #2 is:
which are the 'definitive' recordings of those pieces that I should start
with?
Thanks in advance,
Moe
Paul Ilechko
> Greetings-
>
> OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip hop, I
> don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled in listening
> to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it seems every time I
> find something interesting on the dial, it turns out to be by Haydn.
Symphonies and String Quartets are his great works, IMO, although some
of the choral music is also very nice. Some recommendations:
Paris Symphonies - I like Bruggen, but the recent Harnoncourt set got
very good reviews. For a cheap but very pleasant set, you could also
consider Marriner.
London Symphonies - some people will give you individual recommendations
for each symphony, but if you want a set you would probably be fine with
Colin Davis or Bruggen. I don't think Harnoncourt has done all of these,
but I could be wrong.
Sturm & Drang Symphonies - there is a nice box set of these by Pinnock.
String Quartets. There are a lot of choices here. The Quatour Mosaiques
are generally highly regarded. Also the Tatrai, particularly in op. 20
and op. 76. If you can find them, the Festetics are very good too.
The Creation - Rilling is very good.
Todd Schurk
Excellent recommendations all...and you might also try the cello
concerti which are delightful as well.
Steve Molino
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>
> London Symphonies - some people will give you individual recommendations
> for each symphony, but if you want a set you would probably be fine with
> Colin Davis or Bruggen. I don't think Harnoncourt has done all of these,
> but I could be wrong.
>
You are. :o)
I like the Harnoncourt set a lot.
> String Quartets. There are a lot of choices here. The Quatour Mosaiques
> are generally highly regarded. Also the Tatrai, particularly in op. 20 and
> op. 76. If you can find them, the Festetics are very good too.
Search google for tons of records for each individual set. Avoid the
temptation to get all the string quartets in one big package as none of them
are competitive with the best to be had.
Johannes Roehl
> Mike wrote:
>
>> OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip
>> hop, I don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled
>> in listening to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it
>> seems every time I find something interesting on the dial, it turns
>> out to be by Haydn.
>
> Symphonies and String Quartets are his great works, IMO, although some
> of the choral music is also very nice. Some recommendations:
>
> Paris Symphonies - I like Bruggen, but the recent Harnoncourt set got
> very good reviews. For a cheap but very pleasant set, you could also
> consider Marriner.
>
> London Symphonies - some people will give you individual recommendations
> for each symphony, but if you want a set you would probably be fine with
> Colin Davis or Bruggen. I don't think Harnoncourt has done all of these,
> but I could be wrong.
He has done all of the Londons (w/ Concertgebouw), but they are not as
good as his Paris set. I'd go with the Bruggen 2fers for a start
> Sturm & Drang Symphonies - there is a nice box set of these by Pinnock.
Yes. Seconded.
> String Quartets. There are a lot of choices here. The Quatour Mosaiques
> are generally highly regarded.
I recently got to know the Mosaiques in op. 76, indeed very good, and
probably as good as an introduction to the quartets as any.
> The Creation - Rilling is very good.
I haven't heard this one. But the newish one on Naxos (cond. Spering) is
very good.
I'd also recommend a few piano sonatas, e.g the 6 Gould recorded and
trios, either the single disc with Levin/Bylsma/Beths (Sony) or one from
the handful Coin/Höbarth/? did on harmonia mundi
Johannes
Dave Cook
Some good recs from Paul. While I like Brueggen in the London Symphonies
(and this is where I'd start), I prefer Bernstein and Harnoncourt in the Paris
symphonies.
If you're in the US, you can get the Brueggen recordings as imports at
amazon.com:
For Haydn's most famous string quartet, the "Emperor", I like the Quartetto
Italiano:
http://alnk.org/cookyprincess
http://alnk.org/hazypill (seems to be just a different issue of the above)
http://cdjapan.jp/detailview.html?KEY=UCCP-7080 (Japanese issue with more
Haydn)
Dave Cook
John Coombs
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>
> Paul Ilechko wrote:
>> String Quartets. There are a lot of choices here. The Quatour Mosaiques
>> are generally highly regarded. Also the Tatrai, particularly in op. 20
>> and op. 76. If you can find them, the Festetics are very good too.
There is also:
-- a nice set of Opus 71 and 74 on Vanguard with the Griller Quartet,
recorded
in the late 1950s. From the look of things Vanguard is about to put it back
in print (Vanguard
Classics 1650) at the end of the month. This would be my preference over any
other source
for Opus 71/74.
-- a nice set of Opus 20 with the Hagen Quartet on DG, available as an
import
or from European sources. I prefer the Mosaiques or Tatrai to it but the
Hagen is
pretty good too.
To elaborate on the comments above, the Tatrai did their best work early in
their Haydn cycle -- as I
recall they they recorded Opus 20 and 76 relatively early on... and got
sloppier as the years passed.
The Mosaiques IMHO have been more consistent...
John
Paul Ilechko
> "Paul Ilechko" <noSPaM_pile...@patmedia.net> wrote in message
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>
>>London Symphonies - some people will give you individual recommendations
>>for each symphony, but if you want a set you would probably be fine with
>>Colin Davis or Bruggen. I don't think Harnoncourt has done all of these,
>>but I could be wrong.
>>
>
>
> You are. :o)
> I like the Harnoncourt set a lot.
Thanks Steve. I have a couple of his Concertgebouw London discs, but
they seem a little tame compared to what I've heard of his work with
Concentus Musicus Wien. I have the one with Hornsignal etc, I think it
is awesome.
James Kahn
>Mike wrote:
>> Greetings-
>>
>> OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip hop, I
>> don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled in listening
>> to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it seems every time I
>> find something interesting on the dial, it turns out to be by Haydn.
>Symphonies and String Quartets are his great works, IMO, although some
>of the choral music is also very nice. Some recommendations:
[snip]
Also the trios (piano-violin-cello, I don't know the baryton trios),
particularly the later ones from the 1790s.
--
Jim
New York, NY
(Please remove "nospam." to get my e-mail address)
http://www.panix.com/~kahn
Matthew B. Tepper
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> Greetings-
>
> OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip hop,
That means you love actual real music. ;--)
> I don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled in
> listening to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it
> seems every time I find something interesting on the dial, it turns out
> to be by Haydn.
>
> Having said that, where do I begin? Then, from there, question #2 is:
> which are the 'definitive' recordings of those pieces that I should
> start with?
I wish to gently disengage you from the notion that there are such things as
"definitive" recordings, although there are many which are highly regarded by
large numbers of people. You've already had some excellent recommendations;
I would add George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra in some of the London
symphonies; one disc contains ## 92, 94, and 96, t'other ## 93, 95, and 97.
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Simon Roberts
Harnoncourt's best work is always with Concentus Musicus; I wish he had recorded
the London symphonies with them.
Simon
Simon Roberts
What's "definitive" depends on your taste, and I don't know what that is. I'll
make a few suggestions anyway....
As for where to begin, I don't know. I started off probably oddly: the Nelson
Mass, followed by the rest of the late masses, then The Creation, then a few
trios and symphonies. Sonatas came last because I initially heard McCabe's set
and was bored silly (I later learned it was McCabe's fault).
Here are a few suggestions, in no particular order, of recordings that should be
fairly easy to find (this isn't remotely comprehensive).
Symphonies:
31 Harnoncourt; 45/48 Solomons/Sony; 60 Blum/Vanguard; 82-86 Harnoncourt/RCA or
Bruggen/Philips or Bernstein/Sony or Marriner/Philips; 91/92 Jacobs/HM; 93-104
Bruggen/Philips (or you could get the big Philips box containing all of
Bruggen's Haydn symphony recordings)
Cello Concertos: Wispelwey/Channel Classics
Piano Cto in D: Argerich (EMI or DG)
Piano Trios: Perhaps start with a couple of discs: Trio Wanderer/CDM; Levin &
co/Sony
Quartets:
Op. 20 Mosaiques/Astree or Hagen/DG; 33 Apponyi/Arts or Mosaiques/Astree; 54
Lindsay/ASV; 55 Panocha/Supraphon; 64 Mosaiques/Astree; 71/74 Griller/Vanguard;
76 Berg/EMI or Mosaiques/Astree; 77 Mosaiques/Astree
Creation: Spering/Naxos or Bernstein/Sony
Seasons: Jacobs/HM or Gardiner/Archiv
Late Masses: Marriner/EMI; Guest/Decca
Piano sonatas: if you're open to period instruments, Schornsheim's complete set
on Capriccio has the advantage of being absurdly good and fully competitive with
the best performances out there. If not, Brendel and Gould should be a decent
introduction.
I wouldn't bother with his operas until you've at least familiarized yourself
with Mozart's. The baryton trios and the various wind divertimentos etc. are
pleasant enough, but I would leave them until later. Googling will yield lots
of discussions of particular works and recordings, should you want to find more.
Simon
Richard Schultz
: I wish to gently disengage you from the notion that there are such things as
: large numbers of people. You've already had some excellent recommendations;
: I would add George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra in some of the London
: symphonies; one disc contains ## 92, 94, and 96, t'other ## 93, 95, and 97.
Sony's budget labels, and well worth it. Going against the general grain
here in rmcr, I'll also recommend the Haydn symphony recordings by
Marriner and the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields. They did a series
of the symphonies with nicknames. I'm not sure how many of them are
actually still readily available.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
It's a bird, it's a plane -- no, it's Mozart. . .
Matthew B. Tepper
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> In article <Xns9755C28B24E...@207.217.125.201>, Matthew B.
> Tepper <oy?@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>: I wish to gently disengage you from the notion that there are such
>: things as "definitive" recordings, although there are many which are
>: highly regarded by large numbers of people. You've already had some
>: excellent recommendations; I would add George Szell and the Cleveland
>: Orchestra in some of the London symphonies; one disc contains ## 92,
>: 94, and 96, t'other ## 93, 95, and 97.
>
> The Szell/Cleveland disks are available (at least in Israel) on one of
> Sony's budget labels, and well worth it. Going against the general
> grain here in rmcr, I'll also recommend the Haydn symphony recordings by
> Marriner and the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields. They did a series
> of the symphonies with nicknames. I'm not sure how many of them are
> actually still readily available.
The Szell/Clevelands are on Sony Essential Classics, and some (but not all)
editions even have Haydn's surname properly spelt.
Alex
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> >Thanks Steve. I have a couple of his Concertgebouw London discs, but
> >they seem a little tame compared to what I've heard of his work with
> >Concentus Musicus Wien. I have the one with Hornsignal etc, I think it
> >is awesome.
>
> Harnoncourt's best work is always with Concentus Musicus; I wish he had
recorded
> the London symphonies with them.
I like what I've heard of the VCM Paris set compare to the Kuijken OAE set
I've had for a while - but I don't like Harnoncourt's 84/i which sounds way
too slow compared to the OAE, what do you think? Can't recall what the
tempo marking is now.
Alex
Have you heard the Staier/Freiburg one? I like that a lot, more than
Pletnev on Virgin which I found a little bland to be honest - though I
haven't listened to Argerich for a while (I've got the EMI one in a twofer
with a bilious-coloured cover portrait of MA).
Last night I listened to the Elatus CD of Staier in Schubert D959, really
excellent.
Steve Molino
I'm in the minority. I hated his Paris set but enjoy the London set with
the Concertgebouw very much.
Chuck
Classics
of the Haydn Opus 76 String Quartets, played by the Tokyo String
Quartet.
Chuck
Paul Ilechko
> In article <Xns9755C28B24E...@207.217.125.201>, Matthew B. Tepper <oy?@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> : I wish to gently disengage you from the notion that there are such things as
> : "definitive" recordings, although there are many which are highly regarded by
> : large numbers of people. You've already had some excellent recommendations;
> : I would add George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra in some of the London
> : symphonies; one disc contains ## 92, 94, and 96, t'other ## 93, 95, and 97.
>
> The Szell/Cleveland disks are available (at least in Israel) on one of
> Sony's budget labels, and well worth it. Going against the general grain
> here in rmcr, I'll also recommend the Haydn symphony recordings by
> Marriner and the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields. They did a series
> of the symphonies with nicknames. I'm not sure how many of them are
> actually still readily available.
I already recommended the Marriner Paris symphonies, which is all I've
heard by him - they are vey good. I also have a disc of the ASMF under
Iona Brown in 44, 45 and 49 that is also quite good, although I prefer
Pinnock in 45.
Paul Ilechko
> Symphonies:
>
> 82-86 Harnoncourt/RCA or Bruggen/Philips or Bernstein/Sony or Marriner/Philips;
What on earth do you have against the last of the Paris Symphonies? ;-)
Sacqueboutier
> "Mike" <powerp...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
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>> Greetings-
>>
>> OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip hop,
>
> That means you love actual real music. ;--)
>
>> I don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled in
>> listening to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it
>> seems every time I find something interesting on the dial, it turns out
>> to be by Haydn.
>> Having said that, where do I begin? Then, from there, question #2 is:
>> which are the 'definitive' recordings of those pieces that I should
>> start with?
>
> I wish to gently disengage you from the notion that there are such
> things as "definitive" recordings, although there are many which are
> highly regarded by large numbers of people. You've already had some
> excellent recommendations; I would add George Szell and the Cleveland
> Orchestra in some of the London symphonies; one disc contains ## 92,
> 94, and 96, t'other ## 93, 95, and 97.
To Matthew's thoughtful reply, I would add:
His Trumpet Concerto - Recordings by Maurice Andre, Gerard Schwarz,
Winton Marsalis, and Hakan Hardenberger are all excellent. The trumpet
concerto easily ranks as one of the finest wind/brass concerti ever penned.
If I had to choose only one brass concerto as the best, it would be this one.
(Mozart's Clarinet Concerto edges it out for the finest *wind* concerto, IMO.)
The Creation - I've always liked Dorati and Gardiner in this work.
Bohm's excellent
account is available on DG Originals.
Piano Sonatas - Though I don't normally like his work, Alfred Brendel
is delightful
in this music.
London Symphonies - This would give you a good idea of Haydn's
symphonic style as these
culminate a long creative association with this form. Many consider
Haydn as "The Father of
the Symphony", and these are his most mature works in the genre. I've
always liked
Eugen Jochum's set with the London Philharmonic on DG, but many prefer
Colin Davis
on Philips. I wouldn't feel slighted in the least if I had either one.
--
Best wishes,
Sacqueboutier
guyma...@aol.com
and Queyras discs. Do others have any opinions on the orchestra in the
Queyras recording? I have to admit I didn't agree with the criticisms
Classics Today and Fanfare reviews.
Also, Simon, have you heard the Brilliant Classics box of trios with
Van Oort and others (under the name the Van Swieten Trio)?
Lena
Simon Roberts wrote:
> In article <F9WdnYwzHrf...@adelphia.com>, Mike says...
> >
> >Greetings-
> >
> >OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip hop, I
> >don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled in listening
> >to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it seems every time I
> >find something interesting on the dial, it turns out to be by Haydn.
> >
> >Having said that, where do I begin? Then, from there, question #2 is:
> >which are the 'definitive' recordings of those pieces that I should start
> >with?
>
> What's "definitive" depends on your taste, and I don't know what that is. I'll
> make a few suggestions anyway....
> Here are a few suggestions, in no particular order, of recordings that should be
> fairly easy to find (this isn't remotely comprehensive).
I'm pruning your list, it's far too comprehensive. :)
> Symphonies:
>
> 31 Harnoncourt; 45/48 Solomons/Sony; 60 Blum/Vanguard; 82-86 Harnoncourt/RCA or
> Bruggen/Philips or Bernstein/Sony or Marriner/Philips; 91/92 Jacobs/HM; 93-104
> Bruggen/Philips (or you could get the big Philips box containing all of
> Bruggen's Haydn symphony recordings)
What more can one say. For added simplicity, I'd say begin with
Bruggen's London symphonies.
> Quartets:
>
> Op. 20 Mosaiques/Astree or Hagen/DG;
(Or Tatrai.)
> 33 Apponyi/Arts or Mosaiques/Astree;
(My guess is that the Mosaiques might go over better with the majority
of the population.)
> 76 Berg/EMI or Mosaiques/Astree
(Or, for an even quicker quartet start: get a single CD with various
opuses represented. The Jerusalem Qt.'s Haydn CD is good.)
For later: Op. 50: Amati Qt. (available in Europe).
> I wouldn't bother with his operas until you've at least familiarized yourself
> with Mozart's. The baryton trios and the various wind divertimentos etc. are
> pleasant enough, but I would leave them until later.
I have to admit that for some of those, the "later" hasn't arrived here
yet...
Lena
Norman M. Schwartz
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Oh YES!!!, (And while the disc is in the player, another great trumpet
concerto by a composer with the same last name initial can usually be
heard).
Matthew B. Tepper
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>>
>> To Matthew's thoughtful reply, I would add:
>>
>> His Trumpet Concerto - Recordings by Maurice Andre, Gerard Schwarz,
>> Winton Marsalis, and Hakan Hardenberger are all excellent. The trumpet
>> concerto easily ranks as one of the finest wind/brass concerti ever
>> penned.
>> If I had to choose only one brass concerto as the best, it would be
>> this one.
>> (Mozart's Clarinet Concerto edges it out for the finest *wind*
>> concerto, IMO.)
>
> Oh YES!!!, (And while the disc is in the player, another great trumpet
> concerto by a composer with the same last name initial can usually be
> heard).
I'm still figurine out that one.
Paul Ilechko
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>>"Sacqueboutier" <nos...@nocomspamcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>>To Matthew's thoughtful reply, I would add:
>>>
>>>His Trumpet Concerto - Recordings by Maurice Andre, Gerard Schwarz,
>>>Winton Marsalis, and Hakan Hardenberger are all excellent. The trumpet
>>>concerto easily ranks as one of the finest wind/brass concerti ever
>>>penned.
>>>If I had to choose only one brass concerto as the best, it would be
>>>this one.
>>>(Mozart's Clarinet Concerto edges it out for the finest *wind*
>>>concerto, IMO.)
>>
>>Oh YES!!!, (And while the disc is in the player, another great trumpet
>>concerto by a composer with the same last name initial can usually be
>>heard).
>
>
> I'm still figurine out that one.
>
Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim
> > Greetings-
> >
> > OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip
> > don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled in
listening
> > to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it seems every
time I
> > find something interesting on the dial, it turns out to be by Haydn.
>
> of the choral music is also very nice. Some recommendations:
>
> very good reviews. For a cheap but very pleasant set, you could also
> consider Marriner.
>
> for each symphony, but if you want a set you would probably be fine with
> Colin Davis or Bruggen. I don't think Harnoncourt has done all of these,
> but I could be wrong.
>
>
> are generally highly regarded. Also the Tatrai, particularly in op. 20
> and op. 76. If you can find them, the Festetics are very good too.
>
bpnjensen
Winton Marsalis, and Hakan Hardenberger are all excellent. The trumpet
concerto easily ranks as one of the finest wind/brass concerti ever
penned.
If I had to choose only one brass concerto as the best, it would be
this one.
(Mozart's Clarinet Concerto edges it out for the finest *wind*
concerto, IMO.) <
Second on the Hardenberger on Philips - It's just a dandy, and very
much like the version by his (Russian?) teacher, Timofey Dokschitzer (I
had this on a 1978-or-so Quintessence [Melodiya] LP, a fabulous version
- I'd love to find it on CD). Suave, assured playing, excellent
support from the orchestra - elegant and vital all the way around. The
others on Hardenberger's Philips set(s) are also fine, including the
famous Hummel Trumpet Concerto and several lesser known works that grow
on you.
>London Symphonies - This would give you a good idea of Haydn's
symphonic style as these
culminate a long creative association with this form. Many consider
Haydn as "The Father of
the Symphony", and these are his most mature works in the genre. I've
always liked
Eugen Jochum's set with the London Philharmonic on DG, but many prefer
Colin Davis
on Philips. I wouldn't feel slighted in the least if I had either one.
<
Another vote for Jochum's London set - fabulous performances at an
unbeatable price. Also like Bernstein's Paris Symphonies on Sony, and
for those five great symphonies that fall between (88-92), Kuijken on
Virgin Veritas are sweet...small band, but rich recording and good
performance by this dedicated group provide a really satisfying set.
Bruce Jensen
bpnjensen
Classics
of the Haydn Opus 76 String Quartets, played by the Tokyo String
Quartet.
Chuck<
The Kodaly set of Op. 76 on Naxos is fine as well. Two separate discs.
Bruce Jensen
Paul Ilechko
> Another vote for Jochum's London set - fabulous performances at an
> unbeatable price. Also like Bernstein's Paris Symphonies on Sony, and
> for those five great symphonies that fall between (88-92), Kuijken on
> Virgin Veritas are sweet...small band, but rich recording and good
> performance by this dedicated group provide a really satisfying set.
I like Marriner better than either Bernstein or Kuijken in the Paris. I
find Bernstein too heavy, especially in the strings, and Kuijken too
lightweight at times (although still good). Marriner seems to be a nice
compromise in these works, although I don't always find him interesting
enough in Haydn (e.g. in The Seasons).
lc4j...@yahoo.com
feel overwhelmed with information. The recording you pick for each
piece is important, but a lot less important for a beginner who doesn't
know the piece. As long as you don't pick a deathly boring performance
that turns you off to the piece. So in other words almost any of the
recordings listed in the posts will work.
I think the difficult part is knowing which pieces to start with. I
like Haydn's string qts, but I don't think they're that "accessible."
Even some of his symphonies and piano trios may be a little hard to
enjoy at first. And definitely his piano sonatas - it really depends
on which recording you get.
BUT, one piece that is incredibly dramatic and sorely under performed
is the Nelson Mass. Almost any performance of the work will do. Go
listen to it, now!
If you like it, follow up with the other late masses. Mainly
Harmoniemesse, Heiligmesse and Paukenmesse. Then try the Creation.
Next I'd try a symphony, I'd start with 104. Almost any recording
listed by others will do (at first), but if you see Bruggen's or Fey's,
get it. If you like 104, try 82 or 88.
Next try a piano trio. He wrote a lot of them, but an easy starting
point is the last 4. I'd get Levin and company on Sony.
Lee
Raymond Hall
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> You've received a lot of responses, but if I were in your shoes I'd
> feel overwhelmed with information. The recording you pick for each
> piece is important, but a lot less important for a beginner who doesn't
> know the piece. As long as you don't pick a deathly boring performance
> that turns you off to the piece. So in other words almost any of the
> recordings listed in the posts will work.
>
> I think the difficult part is knowing which pieces to start with. I
> like Haydn's string qts, but I don't think they're that "accessible."
> Even some of his symphonies and piano trios may be a little hard to
> enjoy at first. And definitely his piano sonatas - it really depends
> on which recording you get.
>
> BUT, one piece that is incredibly dramatic and sorely under performed
> is the Nelson Mass. Almost any performance of the work will do. Go
> listen to it, now!
>
> If you like it, follow up with the other late masses. Mainly
> Harmoniemesse, Heiligmesse and Paukenmesse. Then try the Creation.
I think that a good idea too. Nearly all of the masses are highly
accessible, and very enjoyable too.
I'd be loathe to introduce a newcomer to the string quartets as a starter to
Haydn, or any other composer really, merely because of the obvious lack of
colour and texture involved.
> Next I'd try a symphony, I'd start with 104. Almost any recording
> listed by others will do (at first), but if you see Bruggen's or Fey's,
> get it. If you like 104, try 82 or 88.
I'd advise some of the earlier ones to be honest like the Hornsignal, and
other Sturm and Drang symphonies, and then the Paris symphonies. Generally,
there is a bit more complex working out going on in the London works, and
better left for later imho. Plus, in my experience, there is lot to be
desired in available interpretations of these works. I find Davis a bit too
literal and fussy for my taste, and Szell would be my ideal for 93-98.
Ray H
Taree
esht...@gmail.com
starter to
Haydn, or any other composer really, merely because of the obvious lack
of
colour and texture involved. >>
then again, if one is already listening to quartets by other composers,
there is no more important part of Haydn's output than his quartets,
nor is there a preferred set of quartets with which to start. Anything
from Op.20 through Op.77 stands at the top of Haydn's output. The
Apponyi Quartet's performance of Op.33, suggested to me some years back
by Simon, is one of my favorite recordings.
t
Raymond Hall
news:1138214036.5...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Agreed, if the OP is already into quartets. It took me some time as a
beginner, to even begin to wean myself off the heavymetal orchestral stuff
(and still heavily into it), many many moons ago. Btw, I have a copy of that
Op.33 by the Apponyi (thanks to a certain nameless person) and must
reacquaint myself with it again.
Presently much too aflush with Kuchar's Nielsen, who, incidentally, wrote
some wonderful quartets, whilst mentioning him.
Ray H
Taree
Sacqueboutier
>
> "Sacqueboutier" <nos...@nocomspamcast.net> wrote in message
> news:2006012509255975249-nospam@nocomspamcastnet...
>> On 2006-01-24 22:07:28 -0500, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> said:
>>
>>> "Mike" <powerp...@yahoo.com> appears to have caused the following
>>> letters to be typed in news:F9WdnYwzHrf...@adelphia.com:
>>>> Greetings-
>>>>
>>>> OK, being basically a fan of all music except new country, rap & hip hop,
>>>
>>> That means you love actual real music. ;--)
>>>
>>>> I don't know where to begin with classical, having only dabbled in
>>>> listening to the more popular pieces and some public radio. But it
>>>> seems every time I find something interesting on the dial, it turns out
>>>> to be by Haydn.
>>>> Having said that, where do I begin? Then, from there, question #2 is:
>>>> which are the 'definitive' recordings of those pieces that I should
>>>> start with?
>>>
>>> I wish to gently disengage you from the notion that there are such
>>> things as "definitive" recordings, although there are many which are
>>> highly regarded by large numbers of people. You've already had some
>>> excellent recommendations; I would add George Szell and the Cleveland
>>> Orchestra in some of the London symphonies; one disc contains ## 92,
>>> 94, and 96, t'other ## 93, 95, and 97.
>>
>>
>> To Matthew's thoughtful reply, I would add:
>>
>> His Trumpet Concerto - Recordings by Maurice Andre, Gerard Schwarz,
>> Winton Marsalis, and Hakan Hardenberger are all excellent. The trumpet
>> concerto easily ranks as one of the finest wind/brass concerti ever penned.
>> If I had to choose only one brass concerto as the best, it would be this one.
>> (Mozart's Clarinet Concerto edges it out for the finest *wind* concerto, IMO.)
>>
>
> Oh YES!!!, (And while the disc is in the player, another great trumpet
> concerto by a composer with the same last name initial can usually be
> heard).
Frankly, I was surprised that no one else had mentioned the concerto,
yet. To me,
it's an easy starter.
The OP has received an enormous amount of recommendations for some very
fine music. I think he/she should keep to the KISS rule, to get a good
start. The quartets
are such a huge body of works, it's hard to know where to start. To
the uninitiated, they can
start sounding alike. However, the mature "London" symphonies stand
out among the
crowd of 104 (107?). For the choral works, Creation is an easy
recommendation as is
the trumpet concerto. For solo piano works, the best intro for me was
Brendel's sonata
collection.
--
Best wishes,
Sacqueboutier
Ulvi Yurtsever
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> "Paul Ilechko" <noSPaM_pile...@patmedia.net> wrote in message
> news:43nlt9F...@individual.net...
>
>> String Quartets. There are a lot of choices here. The Quatour
>> Mosaiques are generally highly regarded. Also the Tatrai,
>> particularly in op. 20 and op. 76. If you can find them, the
>> Festetics are very good too.
>
> Search google for tons of records for each individual set. Avoid the
> temptation to get all the string quartets in one big package as none
> of them are competitive with the best to be had.
The Angeles Qt set is quite competitive with any separates...
Ulvi
Dave Cook
> The Creation - I've always liked Dorati and Gardiner in this work.
> Bohm's excellent
> account is available on DG Originals.
You mean Karajan, I think. Bohm did the Seasons for DG.
Dave Cook
Steve Molino
news:Xns9756862...@69.28.186.121...
>
> The Angeles Qt set is quite competitive with any separates...
>
YMMV, of course, but I didn't find them competitive with any of my favorite
separate sets.
Simon Roberts
>> Piano Cto in D: Argerich (EMI or DG)
>
>Have you heard the Staier/Freiburg one? I like that a lot, more than
>Pletnev on Virgin which I found a little bland to be honest - though I
>haven't listened to Argerich for a while (I've got the EMI one in a twofer
>with a bilious-coloured cover portrait of MA).
Staier's excellent, as is the Brautigam that came out around the same time. And,
at least as far as the orchestra goes, the Zitterbart/Fey disc is worth having
too.
Simon
Simon Roberts
guyma...@aol.com says...
>
>Simon, have you heard the Brilliant Classics box of trios with Van
Not yet (though I would expect it to be good, given Oort's and Linden's
participation)
Simon
Simon Roberts
guyma...@aol.com says...
>
>For the concertos, I also like the recent and quite available Brautigam
>and Queyras discs. Do others have any opinions on the orchestra in the
>Queyras recording? I have to admit I didn't agree with the criticisms
>Classics Today and Fanfare reviews.
Neither do I. Every performance I've heard by Queyras, live and on records, has
been first rate.
Simon
Simon Roberts
>(Or, for an even quicker quartet start: get a single CD with various
>opuses represented. The Jerusalem Qt.'s Haydn CD is good.)
Oh, it's way better than "good"!
Simon (most grateful to you for having introduced me to it)
Johannes Roehl
> In article <1138201204.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Lena says...
>
>>(Or, for an even quicker quartet start: get a single CD with various
>>opuses represented. The Jerusalem Qt.'s Haydn CD is good.)
>
> Oh, it's way better than "good"!
Is it the same quartet that had a BBC magazine CD some time ago?
(Beethoven, Shostakovitch, Haydn op.76,4)? I have this lying around
somewhere...
Johannes
Simon Roberts
No; it's an all-Haydn disc on Harmonia Mundi.
Simon
A. Brain
news:1138201204.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> What more can one say. For added simplicity, I'd say begin with
> Bruggen's London symphonies.
>
>> Quartets:
>>
>> Op. 20 Mosaiques/Astree or Hagen/DG;
>
> (Or Tatrai.)
>
>> 33 Apponyi/Arts or Mosaiques/Astree;
>
> (My guess is that the Mosaiques might go over better with the majority
> of the population.)
>
>> 76 Berg/EMI or Mosaiques/Astree
>
> (Or, for an even quicker quartet start: get a single CD with various
> opuses represented. The Jerusalem Qt.'s Haydn CD is good.)
>
> For later: Op. 50: Amati Qt. (available in Europe).
>
>> I wouldn't bother with his operas until you've at least familiarized
>> yourself
>> with Mozart's. The baryton trios and the various wind divertimentos
>> etc. are
>> pleasant enough, but I would leave them until later.
>
> I have to admit that for some of those, the "later" hasn't arrived
> here
Neglect continues to plague the Stabat Mater. What's more, the
recording that I like, on Decca, with Auger, seems to be only available
as an Australian import. Speaking of Australian imports, try Rosemount
Shiraz/Cabernet, dirt cheap at about $7 for the big bottle.
Only three recordings are listed at Archiv.
--
A. Brain
Remove NOSPAM for email.
Johannes Roehl
> In article <43qg6iF...@individual.net>, Johannes Roehl says...
>
>>Simon Roberts schrieb:
>>
>>>In article <1138201204.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Lena says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>(Or, for an even quicker quartet start: get a single CD with various
>>>>opuses represented. The Jerusalem Qt.'s Haydn CD is good.)
>>>
>>>Oh, it's way better than "good"!
>>
>>Is it the same quartet that had a BBC magazine CD some time ago?
>>(Beethoven, Shostakovitch, Haydn op.76,4)? I have this lying around
>>somewhere...
>
> No; it's an all-Haydn disc on Harmonia Mundi.
I know. I was just wondering if a) it was the same ensemble at all and
b) the BBC cover disc gave any indication for the quality of the
all-Haydn-disc
Johannes
Steve Emerson
Johannes Roehl <parr...@web.de> wrote:
It's the same ensemble. I believe there are one or two other things out
as well. Haven't heard the BBC. I support the Haydn raves.
SE.
Simon Roberts
>
>Simon Roberts schrieb:
>> In article <43qg6iF...@individual.net>, Johannes Roehl says...
>>
>>>Simon Roberts schrieb:
>>>
>>>>In article <1138201204.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, Lena says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>(Or, for an even quicker quartet start: get a single CD with various
>>>>>opuses represented. The Jerusalem Qt.'s Haydn CD is good.)
>>>>
>>>>Oh, it's way better than "good"!
>>>
>>>Is it the same quartet that had a BBC magazine CD some time ago?
>>>(Beethoven, Shostakovitch, Haydn op.76,4)? I have this lying around
>>>somewhere...
>>
>> No; it's an all-Haydn disc on Harmonia Mundi.
>
>I know.
Sorry; read your question too fast too late at night.... (I have, but haven't
listened to, the BBC disc, so I can't answer your question.)
Simon
Philip Peters
An opinion that seems unpopular here but I agree.
Philip
>
Dave Cook
> Besides following all the excellent advice you are getting in this
> thread, you may also want to check into the problem with your radio.
A radio that only plays Haydn? Where do I get one?!
Dave Cook
gggg gggg
Review: Marriner's Haydn Symphonies Reappraised