Exploring Albert Ferber's Faure

[JohnGavin]

Heaven on earth.......was this man born to play Faure??

A good place to start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLtBNnqeNyo

[Dufus]

On Feb 6, 10:25 pm, JohnGavin <dagd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heaven on earth.......was this man born to play Faure??

Agreed.

Some more stunning Ferber Faure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GUjPC6Xtw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GUjPC6Xtw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hHdQ8FXTM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x1IGLJ1eQQ&feature=related

As fine as young Collard's sets of the Nocturnes and Barcarolles on my
EMI lp's, Ferber is often a different world.

Dufus

[mandryka]

The only Ferber Faure' I've heard are the Op 103 Preludes. To be
honest I had mixed views: some of them were marvelous and some of them
seemed a bit dry. For op103 I thought Germaine Thyssens-Valentin was
overall more successful, even if she didn't match Ferber at his best.
But your enthusiasm is infectious and I'll play Ferber's preludes
again and see if I respond differently.

[pianomaven]

Ferber was born to play Faure. Anyone who loves this music should know
all his recordings. Not complete, of course, but ne plus ultra.

TD

[bassppn]

yes, vey nice and a gorgeous piano to add to the beauty of the
interpretation

AB

[Steven Bornfeld]

Maybe it's my crummy speakers (or my rapidly deteriorating hearing). I
don't like pianos miked too close, but this sounds a bit distant to
me--a bit reverberant in the base and muddy in the treble.
Comments? New speakers? New hearing aid? Just shut up and listen to
the other recordings?

TIA,
Steve
(oh, I agree--lovely music-making)

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

[Steven Bornfeld]

On 2/7/2012 3:56 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> On 2/6/2012 11:25 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
>> Heaven on earth.......was this man born to play Faure??
>>
>> A good place to start.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLtBNnqeNyo
>
>
> Maybe it's my crummy speakers (or my rapidly deteriorating hearing). I
> don't like pianos miked too close, but this sounds a bit distant to
> me--a bit reverberant in the base and muddy in the treble.
> Comments? New speakers? New hearing aid? Just shut up and listen to the
> other recordings?
>
> TIA,
> Steve
> (oh, I agree--lovely music-making)
>

...or maybe I should have read your post on "the voicing of pianos"
first--comparing Thyssens-Valentin and Paik.
No question--I've been conditioned to expect the more modern sound, with
more of the top of the frequency curve--probably from closer miking. I
can only speculate how much was the choice of the pianist, how much the
engineer. I can certainly understand that digital recording can
probably tolerate more high-frequency response than would be wise on a
noisy vinyl record.

Thanks,
Steve

[Terry]

Steven Bornfeld <bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> On 2/6/2012 11:25 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
>> Heaven on earth.......was this man born to play Faure??
>>
>> A good place to start.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLtBNnqeNyo
>
>
> Maybe it's my crummy speakers (or my rapidly deteriorating hearing). I
> don't like pianos miked too close, but this sounds a bit distant to me--a
> bit reverberant in the base and muddy in the treble.
> Comments? New speakers? New hearing aid? Just shut up and listen to
> the other recordings?
>
> TIA,
> Steve
> (oh, I agree--lovely music-making)

Ferber never seems to be well-treated by the EMI sound engineers. Some of
his "complete Debussy" is problematic, as far as I'm concerned.
--
Cheers, Terry

[John Hood]

"Terry" <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:419831529350366894.631922...@news.tpg.com.au...

True, I've just received it. A bit tinny for my taste.

JH

[Alan Cooper]

"John Hood" <john...@iinet.net.au> wrote in
news:1audnZ4tMJ818q_S...@westnet.com.au:

I hope the recorded sound doesn't prevent you from appreciating the excellence of
the performances. That would be a shame.

AC

[bassppn]

On Feb 8, 3:32 am, Terry <address...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

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so is the last movt. of the Chopin PC 2. a bit messy and not very
poetic...... musically rather crude (sort of surpised) after hearing
the Faure.

[John Hood]

"Alan Cooper" <amco...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9FF35230EC90Bam...@209.197.15.254...

I'm a sucker for anyone playing the Debussy piano music. You could call it
an obsession. Last purchase was Monique Haas, idiosyncratic but nice.

JH

[bassppn]

On Feb 8, 6:32 pm, "John Hood" <johnh...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> "Alan Cooper" <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns9FF35230EC90Bam...@209.197.15.254...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John Hood" <johnh...@iinet.net.au> wrote in
> >news:1audnZ4tMJ818q_S...@westnet.com.au:
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> >> "Terry" <address...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:419831529350366894.631922...@news.tpg
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> >>> Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2/6/2012 11:25 PM, JohnGavin wrote:
> >>>>> Heaven on earth.......was this man born to play Faure??
>
> >>>>> A good place to start.
>
> >>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLtBNnqeNyo
>
> >>>> Maybe it's my crummy speakers (or my rapidly deteriorating
> >>>> hearing).  I don't like pianos miked too close, but this
> >>>> sounds a bit distant to me--a bit reverberant in the base and
> >>>> muddy in the treble. Comments?  New speakers?  New hearing
> >>>> aid?  Just shut up and listen to the other recordings?
>
> >>>> TIA,
> >>>> Steve
> >>>> (oh, I agree--lovely music-making)
>
> >>> Ferber never seems to be well-treated by the EMI sound
> >>> engineers. Some of his "complete Debussy" is problematic, as
> >>> far as I'm concerned. --
> >>> Cheers, Terry
>
> >> True, I've just received it. A bit tinny for my taste.
>
> > I hope the recorded sound doesn't prevent you from appreciating the
> > excellence of
> > the performances.  That would be a shame.
>
> > AC
>
> I'm a sucker for anyone playing the Debussy piano music. You could call it
> an obsession. Last purchase was Monique Haas, idiosyncratic but nice.
>

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try Livia Rev

AB

[mandryka]

Woi recorded Debussy piano music twice. The ones I've heard of the
first recordings, on Saga, are well worth catching if you can. She
was already 70 when she recorded those Saga CDs.

She recorded a second bunch of Debussy CDs for Hyperion when she was
in her mid 80s. The ones I've heard seemed less interesting than the
Saga CDs. Hyperion have withdrawn them: I wonder if she was wasn't
satisfied and asked for their withdrawal.

Her Reflets dans l'eau on Saga is outstanding IMO.

[pianomaven]

I think you're right. The SAGA CDs (and LPs) really trump the Hyperion
versions, rendering them fairly irrelevant. The SAGAs were beautifully
recorded as well.

But one might put a word of caution in here. The SAGA could not be
described as easy to obtain, should one want to do so.

TD

[Kip Williams]

mandryka wrote:
> On Feb 8, 11:57 pm, bassppn<abachr...@att.net> wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 6:32 pm, "John Hood"<johnh...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> I'm a sucker for anyone playing the Debussy piano music. You could call it
>>> an obsession. Last purchase was Monique Haas, idiosyncratic but nice.
>>

>> try Livia Rev

>
> Woi recorded Debussy piano music twice. The ones I've heard of the
> first recordings, on Saga, are well worth catching if you can. She
> was already 70 when she recorded those Saga CDs.

I've always loved the Kontarskys' recording of the four-hands (and
two-piano) music, even after hearing other versions.

Also, I'll put in a word for Wendel Diebel. My piano teacher made and
issued a recording of both books of the Preludes which has been reissued
onto CD. I don't know if they had the tapes for the reissue, but they
sound good to me. He studied with Samaroff in the 30s.


Kip W

[Alan Cooper]

Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:aNPYq.11872$JN6....@newsfe13.iad:

>
> I've always loved the Kontarskys' recording of the four-hands
> (and two-piano) music, even after hearing other versions.
>

Me too, since its first appearance on LP. Was it ever reissued in its entirety on
CD, or only the selection on Eloquence?

AC

[Kip Williams]

It was reissued on two CDs by DG. The contents are identical, and in the
same order. (Heh. I filed the LP under "Ravel" and the CD under
"Debussy." Only now, they're both under "Debussy," mostly because why
not.) Those LPs have clearly been much loved over the years.


Kip W

[graham]

"John Hood" <john...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Then you should look for Peter Frankl on Vox. outstanding etudes, amongst
other things.
Graham

[Mort]

Hi,

I am confused about the crummy sound comments and the reference to EMI
regarding Ferber's Debussy recordings. I had the original UK pressed
LPs, then the better German pressed Lps, and latterly the two CDs with
fairly good sound , all on the British budget Saga label. Have Ferber's
Faure discs been reissued on EMI? Did he rerecord them for EMI?

Thanks.

Mort Linder

[Alan Cooper]

Mort <mo...@cloud9.net> wrote in
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> graham wrote:
>> "John Hood"<john...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Alan Cooper"<amco...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9FF35230EC90Bam...@209.197.15.254...
>>>> "John Hood"<john...@iinet.net.au> wrote in
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>>>>> "Terry"<addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

>>>>> news:419831529350366894.631922address_is-invalid.invalid@news

Faure? Debussy? That French stuff is all the same :-) The two Faure CDs were
1993 Dutch remasterings of the 1979 Saga originals; the EMI Debussy set (4 CDs) is
a reissue of recordings made for Ducretet-Thomson in the '50s.

AC

[mandryka]

One of my favourite Debussy pieces is George Copeland's transcription
of Prelude a l'apres midi d'un faune. I only know it through
Copeland's own recording, which maybe doesn't do it full justice.

[Kip Williams]

There are 4-hands versions by Ravel and Debussy, and a piano roll
recording of a solo version by E. Robert Schmitz (LP only, as far as I
know), as well as a couple of flute versions (one with piano, and one
with harp) and Heifetz's for violin and piano (which John Sebastian,
Sr., recorded with a harmonica in the violin part, to good effect).

I'm particularly fond of a hallucinatory version for steel guitars,
actually for one steel guitar, multitracked (once over, I think) by
Micharl Perlowin. It comes from another dimension. Perlowin uses an
electronic non-pick for many notes that produces an undying tone with no
attack.

I expect Tomita's had a whack at it too, and there's an organ version by
Serge Ollive.

I'm surprised I don't have a piano solo version on my iPod. I could rip
Schmitz's, but my turntable makes quiet but repetitive and insistent
sounds that bug me. I should see about getting it worked on.


Kip W

[mandryka]

I think I prefer the Copeland transcription to the Debussy or the
Ravel. More "hallucinatory " It's on spotify.

I'm listening to Perlowin for the first time now (also on spotify)
That's put a smile on my face!

[Kip Williams]

mandryka wrote:
> On Feb 9, 5:28 pm, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> mandryka wrote:
>>> One of my favourite Debussy pieces is George Copeland's transcription
>>> of Prelude a l'apres midi d'un faune. I only know it through
>>> Copeland's own recording, which maybe doesn't do it full justice.
>>
>> There are 4-hands versions by Ravel and Debussy, and a piano roll
>> recording of a solo version by E. Robert Schmitz (LP only, as far as I
>> know), as well as a couple of flute versions (one with piano, and one
>> with harp) and Heifetz's for violin and piano (which John Sebastian,
>> Sr., recorded with a harmonica in the violin part, to good effect).
>>
>> I'm particularly fond of a hallucinatory version for steel guitars,
>> actually for one steel guitar, multitracked (once over, I think) by
>> Micharl Perlowin. It comes from another dimension. Perlowin uses an
>> electronic non-pick for many notes that produces an undying tone with no
>> attack.
>>
>> I expect Tomita's had a whack at it too, and there's an organ version by
>> Serge Ollive.
>>
>> I'm surprised I don't have a piano solo version on my iPod. I could rip
>> Schmitz's, but my turntable makes quiet but repetitive and insistent
>> sounds that bug me. I should see about getting it worked on.
>

> I think I prefer the Copeland transcription to the Debussy or the
> Ravel. More "hallucinatory " It's on spotify.

I'm listening to it now on YouTube, and it's nice and rich. Those two
4-hands versions are somewhat fashionably dry by comparison. I can see
why you like it.

> I'm listening to Perlowin for the first time now (also on spotify)
> That's put a smile on my face!

It's out of another world.


Kip W

[pianomaven]

Try Pludermacher/Heisser on Harmonic. Sumptuous.

TD

[mandryka]

I have it -- I bought it after you pmentioned it here.

I've dipped ibto it but I've not had time to really listen yet. It
sounded very good.

You know I like Pludermacher.

[pianomaven]

I have to say I had not heard this transcription before listening to
Pludermacher/Heisser. And I don't know other readings of it either. It
just seems very atmospheric to me.

TD

[bassppn]

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'atmospheric'??? more bullshit from the bassoon-vibrato expert!!
What kind of atmosphere are you talking about ?? The Canadian
'atmophere'. You never quit, you ass-hole

AB

[pianomaven]

Is there a trap-door you can fall through?

The idiot here is very clear, Arri.

TD

[bassppn]

I did not call you an idiot (for a change) you self-annointed that
description.........


go play with your bassoon vibrato.........

AB

[pianomaven]

You "claimed" to have played the Beethoven violin concerto in that
discussion, you damp cumrag.

Of course it is highly ludicrous that you could have EVER mastered the
fiddle. The bassoon is more your speed.

TD

[bassppn]

never said that.......... you are getting more drunk by the second.
It was clear that I meant that I played the bassoon in the concerto
many times including the solos........ ( and I did not use my fingers
to produce a vibrato as you stupidly suggested).
At over 70, in the music business for most of your working days and
did not know how a woodwind produces a vibrato is a sad commentery on
your knowledge of music.......

AB

[Steve Emerson]

In article <wcWdnXbZyZuIm67S...@westnet.com.au>,

"John Hood" <john...@iinet.net.au> wrote:


> I'm a sucker for anyone playing the Debussy piano music. You could call it
> an obsession. Last purchase was Monique Haas, idiosyncratic but nice.

On Erato or DG?

SE.

[Steve Emerson]

In article
<ef10034d-24b2-4b33...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
Dufus <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 6, 10:25 pm, JohnGavin <dagd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Heaven on earth.......was this man born to play Faure??
>

> Agreed.
>
> Some more stunning Ferber Faure:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GUjPC6Xtw&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GUjPC6Xtw&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hHdQ8FXTM&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x1IGLJ1eQQ&feature=related
>
> As fine as young Collard's sets of the Nocturnes and Barcarolles on my
> EMI lp's, Ferber is often a different world.

Quite so. Although you don't have to reach Ferber's heights to get
Nocturnes better than Collard's.

SE.

[pianomaven]

Go back and look at that post.

I think you'll get my point.

Of course you play the bassoon. But who gives a flying fuck what you
play?

....... ( and I did not use my fingers
> to produce a vibrato as you stupidly suggested).

Poor cripple.

The only vibrato you are capable of is the on again, off again
activity in your feeble brain. Not to mention that pulsing vacuity in
your ears.

>  At over 70, in the music business for most of your working days and
> did not know how a woodwind produces a vibrato is a sad commentery on
> your knowledge of music.......

Whatever you think, Arri.

I pity you.

TD

[pianomaven]

On Feb 9, 11:58 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <ef10034d-24b2-4b33-8db9-643b1998b...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 10:25 pm, JohnGavin <dagd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Heaven on earth.......was this man born to play Faure??
>
> > Agreed.
>
> > Some more stunning Ferber Faure:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GUjPC6Xtw&feature=related
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GUjPC6Xtw&feature=related
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hHdQ8FXTM&feature=related
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x1IGLJ1eQQ&feature=related
>
> > As fine as young Collard's sets of the Nocturnes and Barcarolles on my
> > EMI lp's, Ferber is often a different world.
>
> Quite so. Although you don't have to reach Ferber's heights to get
> Nocturnes better than Collard's.

The point is, Steve, that nobody who has recorded the Nocturnes
actually get's better than Collard. Ferber only provides a selection.
That said, I very much appreciate the Owen versions. He has "pudeur"
down pat.

TD

[John Hood]

Erato, didn't know about the DG. Has two discs of Ravel as well.

JH

"Steve Emerson" <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote in message
news:emersn-769CB2....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...

[pianomaven]

On Feb 10, 9:13 am, "John Hood" <johnh...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> Erato, didn't know about the DG. Has two discs of Ravel as well.

That's something of a bargain, I think. The music of Ravel and Debussy
for piano collected in one relatively inexpensive package and played
by a pisnist steeped in this musique.

MH was a tiny woman. Truly diminutive. Maybe 5' tall? She once sat
beside me at a concert at the Salle Pleyel. And yet, like Darre, who
was also a small woman, she had great power at the keyboard.

TD

[Alan Cooper]

pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d248dd42-bf74-4d3b...@k40g2000yqf.googlegroups.
com:

While I prefer her Erato Debussy to her DG recordings, the DG Original Masters box is
worth having for many other reasons, and it is now listed at BRO for about $32.
"Great power" is right.

AC

[Steve Emerson]

In article
<10218182-56a9-4081...@f5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 9, 11:58 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <ef10034d-24b2-4b33-8db9-643b1998b...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 6, 10:25 pm, JohnGavin <dagd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Heaven on earth.......was this man born to play Faure??
> >
> > > Agreed.
> >
> > > Some more stunning Ferber Faure:
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GUjPC6Xtw&feature=related
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GUjPC6Xtw&feature=related
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hHdQ8FXTM&feature=related
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x1IGLJ1eQQ&feature=related
> >
> > > As fine as young Collard's sets of the Nocturnes and Barcarolles on my
> > > EMI lp's, Ferber is often a different world.
> >
> > Quite so. Although you don't have to reach Ferber's heights to get
> > Nocturnes better than Collard's.
>
> The point is, Steve, that nobody who has recorded the Nocturnes
> actually get's better than Collard.

Well, since this is the exact opposite of what I meant, I can scarcely
agree that it is "the point."

I've expounded many times on the limitations of Collard's nocturnes and
the preferability of other sets, going back actually some time before
you showed up. Where possible (i.e., since you did show up), you've
voiced your disagreement like clockwork.

So no desire on my part to initiate a further visitation of the
three-word glosses. Merely a quick remark in case of interest to my
friend Dufus.

> That said, I very much appreciate the Owen versions. He has "pudeur"
> down pat.

Charles Owen? Have not heard.

SE.

[Kip Williams]

I just downloaded the remainder of Germaine Thyssens-Valentin's Faure
recordings, so now I have her playing all his solo piano pieces — give
or take a Ballade or so. I could go after her traversal of the chamber
music with piano next, but I have so many of those in other versions, I
think I'll pause there and take stock.

I've enjoyed listening to what I have by her so far. Nice, solid 50s
mono recordings, and she brings a lot out in her performances.
Remarkably inexpensive at eMusic, too. Perhaps they're similarly
underpriced elsewhere. I don't really know.


Kip W

[pianomaven]

On Feb 10, 6:31 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article

> <10218182-56a9-4081-9578-b4ea54ca1...@f5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

I don't try to remember everyone's tastes in such matters, Steve. And
you'll forgive me in advance if I restate the obvious at another
opportunity, when it arises. Nor, of course, do I recall when anyone
"showed up", as you so delicately put it.

> So no desire on my part to initiate a further visitation of the
> three-word glosses.  Merely a quick remark in case of interest to my
> friend Dufus.
>
> > That said, I very much appreciate the Owen versions. He has "pudeur"
> > down pat.
>
> Charles Owen? Have not heard.

Hmmmmm.

Although hardly required, you might consider expanding your horizons a
bit. Otherwise you could be accused of operating on shaky premises. I
suppose you have also not heard the Nocturnes by my compatriot, David
Jalbert.

http://www.amazon.ca/Faur%C3%A9-Complete-Nocturnes-Gabriel-Faure/dp/B000EQ472M/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1328930223&sr=1-1

TD

[Steve Emerson]

In article <3pkZq.19829$%17....@newsfe06.iad>,

Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just downloaded the remainder of Germaine Thyssens-Valentin's Faure
> recordings, so now I have her playing all his solo piano pieces ‹ give
> or take a Ballade or so. I could go after her traversal of the chamber
> music with piano next, but I have so many of those in other versions, I
> think I'll pause there and take stock.
>
> I've enjoyed listening to what I have by her so far. Nice, solid 50s
> mono recordings, and she brings a lot out in her performances.

Somewhere in the middle of the pack, for me. You could do worse, or
better.

If she's helped make the music attractive to you, who can argue.

SE.

[John Hood]

Excuse my ignorance but what is 'BRO'? The Haas DG is megabucks both in the
US and the UK.

JH

"Alan Cooper" <amco...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message

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[Alan Cooper]

"John Hood" <john...@iinet.net.au> wrote in

news:B5KdnQf9fZsG-6vS...@westnet.com.au:

Go to www.berkshirerecordoutlet.com/search.php and search for Monique Haas.
Apologies for not taking note of your email address. The least expensive
shipping to Australia would add considerably but not absurdly to the cost,
bringing the price up to about $50US for the 8-CD set. You can amortize the
shipping cost to some extent by making a larger order: there's a hefty $10
charge for the first item but it's only $1.10 per after that (note that each
disc in a boxed set counts as an "item").

AC

AC

[John Hood]

Thanks Alan. It's on the way. (I couldn't find your address either)

Cheers,

JH

"Alan Cooper" <amco...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message

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[bassppn]

> http://www.amazon.ca/Faur%C3%A9-Complete-Nocturnes-Gabriel-Faure/dp/B...

>
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I heard his Ravel on youtube and it was not impressive. chords not
completely clean, playing seemed devoid of much emotion, thin
tone........ why Jalbert, just because he is Canadian?? BTW- he plays
on a Fazioli(sp ?). Not a very outstanding instrument, sort of
surprising.........
sorry TD, stick to bassoon finger vibrato advice:-) you know more
about that subject........

AB

[pianomaven]

Completely uninterested in your YouTube "impressions".

TD

[bassppn]

not surprised, maybe others might be interested. Why do you
recommend mediocre players? Perhaps you cant hear the difference,
like in the Hatto debacle.

AB

[pianomaven]

I think that you should listen to everyone.

You don't of course. One piece in a flawed system is enough. You have
no idea, but you are a joke.

You heard Pollini once forty years ago and yet....

It's just garbage you spew.

TD

[bassppn]

I do listen to everyone... but i dont buy CDs indiscriminately like
you do. Pollini never changed, in fact he was a lot better 40 years
ago........ but unfortunately, you were never any good neither in your
youth nor in your doddering, drunken old age. But I forgot, you do
deserve praise for your knowledge of bassoonery:-)

AB

AB

[graham]

"bassppn" <abac...@att.net> wrote in message
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-----------------------------------------------------------
And you of buffoonery{;-)

[pianomaven]

On Feb 11, 3:24 pm, "graham" <g.ste...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> "bassppn" <abachr...@att.net> wrote in message

Bachrach the Buffoon.

Perfect description.

TD

[bassppn]

On Feb 11, 3:24 pm, "graham" <g.ste...@shaw.ca> wrote:

> "bassppn" <abachr...@att.net> wrote in message

> And you of buffoonery{;-)- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

thats not nice, but it has humor, so no harm...... I have a NYS
'bassoon' license plate on my car.. I must have cut off a bicyclist
and he yelled out you f----g baboon!

AB

[bassppn]

you had a sense of humor once in a while........ but Deacon the
Beacon, you are FAILING. Shove your vibrato up your ........

AB

[pianomaven]

He got that right!

TD

[pianomaven]

That's a barefaced lie.

I have NO sense of humour.

TD

[Dufus]

>On Feb 10, 9:42 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:


An earlier Faure Nocturne thread here : http://tinyurl.com/7ywbkto

Thanks, Steve. I may explore Long's set.

Dufus

[pianomaven]

Marguerite Long never recorded a "set" of Faure. Her major
contribution to the Faure discography is in the chamber music and the
Ballade, I seem to recall.

There is the odd solo piece here and there, but no "set".

For a long time (no pun intended) her way with Faure's music was THE
way. Very dry (sec), unsentimental (lacking in flexibility, not to say
unfeeling), and metronomic. If you compare her way with the 6th
Nocturne to that of Wilhelm Kempff, for example, one is instinctively
drawn to Kempff and intimidated by Long.

Collard was reacting against the Marguerite Long (diggy-diggy-diggy-
dee) school of pianism. And really turned the page on a whole era.
Today's French pianists retain the clarity of the Long school while at
the same time rejecting its lack of flexibility in favour of a
tasteful degree of sentiment and feeling. Thank God for that!

The post you cite brings Jean Martin into the equation (more of the
same dry stuff), and Hubeau (ditto, although the chamber music doesn't
suffer to the same extent).

Personally, I would love to hear Cassard in Faure (I have not heard
his latest disc of chamber music, but I think it might be ideal). Or
Bavouzet. But I am afraid that Faure is not in good favour among the
young generation of French pianists. Too scented. Too old fashioned.
Too salonard for their modern tastes. They prefer to play
Rachmaninoff, for example, after shunning his music for most of the
19th Century. Indeed, Collard's Etudes-Tableaux for EMI in the early
1970s was his debut for the label. It must have been the first time
any French pianist had turned his attention to these scores or even to
Rachmaninoff's piano music. Today you hear them everywhere. Guillaume
Vincent is set to performa all 24 Preludes in a recital in Paris in
the coming weeks.

But of Faure we see very little today. Great pity.

TD

[Alan Cooper]

Dufus <steve...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:639d27bd-3a18-482d...@m5g2000yqk.googlegroups.c
om:

You mean Marguerite, right? Oh, if only there were a "set" of Nocturnes from her!
(Kathleen's recordings are not in the same league, imo, although they are worth
hearing).

AC

P.S. I don't share SE's antipathy for Collard, and don't find Heidsieck or Hubeau
superior in the Nocturnes. The Hubeau set of works for solo piano is currently on
offer at BRO, but I wouldn't jump at it; his chamber music recordings reissued on
Apex are a better bet.

[pianomaven]

On Feb 12, 9:38 am, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote innews:639d27bd-3a18-482d...@m5g2000yqk.googlegroups.c

The Japanese don't share your opinion of Heidsieck. Heidsieck is
lionized in Japan at the moment.

If you go to HMV in Japan you will find these Nocturnes and the Theme
and Variations available on an SACD/CD hybrid set for about Yen 5000.

Incidentally, Heidsieck studied with Wilhelm Kempff but apparently did
NOT learn how to play the 6th Nocturne from his teacher.

TD

[Alan Cooper]

pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7f3c0756-035d-4576...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.
com:

> On Feb 12, 9:38 am, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net>
> wrote:
>> Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote

>> innews:639d27bd-3a18-482d-bc66-1bc60d3
> 25...@m5g2000yqk.googlegroups.c

Good grief! Not yet available--scheduled for March release according to Cdjapan.
At 3x the price of the currently available reissue. Can SACD offer that much of
an improvement? I'm not wild about the performances in any case.

AC

[bassppn]

inadvertant humor is a better description..... people laugh AT you
rather than with you. Lets say you have a mean spirited sense of humor

AB

[Dufus]

>On Feb 12, 8:21 am, pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But of Faure we see very little today. Great pity.
>

And thanks to you for the background.

[pianomaven]

No. I don't suffer idiots like you lightly.

Get thee to a nunnery.

TD

[pianomaven]

Background? Well, a bit. But a lot of opinion also.

I recall interviewing JPC about Faure (I grew up playing Faure's music
in my family) and remember his particular disaffection for the diggy-
diggy-diggy-dee school of French piano-playing. I would think that
Darre and Monique Haas et al. would be anathema to him. Collard
studied with Pierre Sancan, as did Michel Beroff and many others of
their generation, who are now busy teaching the new generation how NOT
to play like Marguerite Long. They are, in effect, burying that whole
school of pianism. The question is what are they replacing it with, of
course.

TD

[Steve Emerson]

In article <Xns9FF767A7F87A7am...@209.197.15.254>,

Not for the SACD aspect, but a new transfer is needed desperately. The
old one is French EMI at its considerable worst. Impossible to imagine
this is what the analog recording actually sounds like. But no, even I
am not going to invest Yen 5000. For another Ferber or Marguerite, yes.
Fortunately, Hubeau is in superb Erato sound.

BTW, for those missing the Jacqueline Eymar solo recordings, the
nocturnes she did were the ubiquitous Nos. 1 and 6, so no big gain there.

SE.

[pianomaven]

On Feb 12, 10:11 am, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote innews:7f3c0756-035d-4576...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.

This is for Heidsieck's fans in Japan, I think, who want the ne plus
ultra from a sound standpoint.

TD

[pianomaven]

On Feb 12, 12:37 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article <Xns9FF767A7F87A7amcooperoptonline...@209.197.15.254>,
>  Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote in

Failing Jacqueline Eymar, there is always Emma Boynet:

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/1450349

and

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3780852

Both on Greendoor only from Japan.

TD

[Steve Emerson]

In article
<b6c722e0-d4bd-4ead...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,

Interesting. Have you heard them? She turns up on a Naxos Historical
women pianists disc, with like most of the others, one rare tidbit.

There are several Faure Barcarolles on Youtube, which obviously I
haven't heard yet....

SE.

[pianomaven]

On Feb 12, 3:53 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article

> <b6c722e0-d4bd-4ead-bb88-f7269ce96...@t15g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,

Yes. I purchased them as soon as I discovered Greendoor. The originals
sell for a fortune at Mikrokosmos.

TD

[bassppn]

I suspect you have been living there for a long time.

AB

[wagnerfan]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:32:28 -0800 (PST), bassppn <abac...@att.net>
wrote:

I love how bitter old Leakin keeps telling everyone he has no sense
of humor as if that is some kind of badge of honor - the truth is, if
true, its totally pathetic. Like being born blind (which would be
awful since we all know he was born deaf!!) wagner fan

[pianomaven]

On Feb 12, 4:35 pm, wagnerfan <ivanmax...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:32:28 -0800 (PST), bassppn <abachr...@att.net>

As far as I can see, you, Dickey, also share this lack of a sense of
humour. Your concept of humour is personal calumny, which is hardly in
the ha ha category of most of civilization.

Whether you were born blind or deaf is unknown, as you are an
anonymous troll in this place, the kind who dwells on one of Milton's
levels of Hell, but feels quite at home to a mongrel like you.

TD

[Steve Emerson]

In article <Av2dnVjZO_GZu6jS...@westnet.com.au>,
"John Hood" <john...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> Erato, didn't know about the DG. Has two discs of Ravel as well.
>
> JH
>
> "Steve Emerson" <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote in message
> news:emersn-769CB2....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...
> > In article <wcWdnXbZyZuIm67S...@westnet.com.au>,
> > "John Hood" <john...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm a sucker for anyone playing the Debussy piano music. You could
> >> call it an obsession. Last purchase was Monique Haas,
> >> idiosyncratic but nice.

> >
> > On Erato or DG?

Well, I see you already ordered the DG. Like Alan, I prefer her Erato
Debussy (the exceptionally free-seeming Etudes and the highly modern,
abstract Preludes), but the DG box has lots of terrific items, including
a superlative Bartok PC 3, with Fricsay no less; and the Mihalovici
works are highly worthwhile. Not as strong a preference on one Ravel
batch vs. the other, and you do get the PC via DG.

Given your laudable suckerhood for Debussy's piano music, I imagine
you're all over the Daniel Ericourt set, which is revelatory, singular,
and unlike anyone else's. (A treble control can be helpful with the
misguided Ivory Classics transfer of a bunch of otherwise nice-sounding
recordings.) If not...

Also I hope you're considering the Hakon Austbo Preludes and Etudes,
which overlap a little with ABM and a little with Haas (but only a
little). They're not as revelatory as Ericourt but just as impressive in
their way. Extremely virtuosic (his etudes are the most forthrightly
virtuosic I know; not a bad thing for a set of etudes). --An almost
daunting feeling of alertness and familiarity with the scores. And a
breathtaking pianissimo that results in numerous extraordinary
interpretive effects. Just to touch on a few aspects. (There's a
worthwhile review on classicstoday-france.)

I picked up Austbo's Janacek recently as well. It's also terrific and
benefits from the same pianissimo. Interestingly, his Sonata is markedly
forceful and mercurial, which of course is all to the good. By contrast,
my feeling about his formidable Messiaen 20 Regards was always that it
suffered from a lack of force and volatility. No such problem in the
Janacek, or for that matter in his really remarkable Schumann CD
(Kreisleriana and Fantasy).

SE.

[Steve Emerson]

In article
<bf59e81d-86c6-40d2...@g27g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Failing Jacqueline Eymar, there is always Emma Boynet:
> >
> > >http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/1450349
> >
> > > and
> >
> > >http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3780852
> >
> > > Both on Greendoor only from Japan.
> >

> > Interesting. Have you heard them? [...]
>
> Yes.

And?

SE.

[pianomaven]

On Feb 12, 11:20 pm, Terry <b...@clown.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:24:30 +1100, bassppn wrote
> (in article
> <35ccb940-d5f0-4130-a636-4a645ed5c...@gi10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>):

> Dear oh dear, give it a break, won't you?

Why should he? He has nothing else to offer in case you haven't
noticed.

TD

[pianomaven]

On Feb 12, 8:49 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article <Av2dnVjZO_GZu6jSnZ2dnUVZ_o-dn...@westnet.com.au>,

>  "John Hood" <johnh...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Erato, didn't know about the DG. Has two discs of Ravel as well.
>
> > JH
>
> > "Steve Emerson" <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote in message
> >news:emersn-769CB2....@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...

> > > In article <wcWdnXbZyZuIm67SnZ2dnUVZ_rSdn...@westnet.com.au>,

The Ericourt set is, indeed, not what one might have hoped for. The
KAPP mastertapes exist in the DG archive in Germany. The producers
could not afford the license fee, I guess. Too few interested in this
long forgotten musician. I own the stereo LPs and believe the sound
could be improved even if LPs are used as a source. I have suggested
to DG to issue them from the mastertapes. So far, no takers. No
surprise, either.

In any event they are, indeed, preferable to the Monique Haas, whose
"abstract" (read: dry and unsemtimental) performances of this music
would be more suited to the music of Boulez than to Debussy. Neat as a
pin, of course.

I have still to investigate the Austbo Debussy. Time will tell.

TD

[pianomaven]

On Feb 12, 9:23 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article

> <bf59e81d-86c6-40d2-9196-93d65535b...@g27g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,

>
>  pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Failing Jacqueline Eymar, there is always Emma Boynet:
>
> > > >http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/1450349
>
> > > > and
>
> > > >http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3780852
>
> > > > Both on Greendoor only from Japan.
>
> > > Interesting. Have you heard them? [...]
>
> > Yes.
>
> And?

And they are fine, as far as they go. Only 6 Nocturnes (Nos. 1-4,
6-7), 6 Barcarolles, and a few miscellaneous pieces. So, she doesn't
really challenge the complete sets on their own turf.

I am not always convinced by her rubatos, but the least one can say is
that she uses rubato and is a flexible musician. If I said that her
playing was unfailingly "pretty", I suppose one might be tempted to
accuse me of misogyny, but I keep seeing frilly dresses and
beautifully decked out salons when I hear her play. So, no, this is
not Jacqueline Eymar!!! But there is nothing unmusical about Boynet's
Faure. It's very lovely in its own way. Warmly musical and technically
impeccable.

It is too bad that the original LP suffers on occasion from what the
French call "pleurage", or speed instability. so that one's sense of
pitch is often being challenged and just when you get used to the
"new" pitch it changes again. Not ruinously so, but I wonder if this
fault is on the Vox mastertape, for example, or simply a result of a
faulty machine used for cutting the original LP. PL 7502, by the way.
Since Faure's music modulates so often and so unexpectedly these speed
changes provide an unwanted additional harmonic variety to the
listening experience.

Boynet was known as something of a virtuoso, having been an early
student and longtime devotee of Isidor Philipp. She apparently was
Serge Koussevitzky's favourite pianist and often appeared with the BSO
in SS concerti and the like. I can imagine her doing these very well.

I cannot be the judge of whether or not these are worth acquiring. I
am something of a fanatic for Faure's piano music, as I played a lot
of it myself, even in public.

If I had to recommend a really interesting version of the nocturnes it
would be Jean-Michel Damase on Accord. Missing the first few
Nocturnes, alas (apparently the tapes were faulty), but I own the
Decca issue of the first 6, so I do know them all. A fascinating
reading by a composer in his own right. (He has written a lot of music
for harp, of course). A complete set of these on LP, by the way, would
set you back hundreds of dollars at Mikrokosmos. Unfortunately the
Accord CD is no longer available, so you have to hunt hard on www.amazon.fr
or www.ebay.fr.

TD

[Steve Emerson]

In article
<bf0fe51b-2ca8-4386...@f30g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 9:23 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <bf59e81d-86c6-40d2-9196-93d65535b...@g27g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >  pianomaven <1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Failing Jacqueline Eymar, there is always Emma Boynet:
> >
> > > > >http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/1450349
> >
> > > > > and
> >
> > > > >http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3780852
> >
> > > > > Both on Greendoor only from Japan.
> >
> > > > Interesting. Have you heard them? [...]
> >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > And?
>
> And they are fine, as far as they go. Only 6 Nocturnes (Nos. 1-4,
> 6-7), 6 Barcarolles, and a few miscellaneous pieces. So, she doesn't
> really challenge the complete sets on their own turf.
>
> I am not always convinced by her rubatos, but the least one can say is
> that she uses rubato and is a flexible musician. If I said that her
> playing was unfailingly "pretty", I suppose one might be tempted to
> accuse me of misogyny, but I keep seeing frilly dresses and
> beautifully decked out salons when I hear her play. So, no, this is
> not Jacqueline Eymar!!! But there is nothing unmusical about Boynet's
> Faure. It's very lovely in its own way. Warmly musical and technically
> impeccable.

Appreciate thoughtful report. Having heard samples of her playing, she
seems less frilly to me than (at times) Collard does. (smiley) I was
pretty taken with her Romances Sans Paroles, on Youtube.

BTW, Eymar could be a pretty capricious, even perverse, pianist, as her
Brahms Handel Variations attest -- although I think those traits work
well there. In her solo Faure, I'm less convinced, and her penchant for
tossing off vast swatches of arpeggiated notes with offhand and
perfunctory virtuosity -- it doesn't wear well with me. This is not
exactly the pianist that her chamber Fauré hints at. Short on drama,
short on sweep (two things, btw, that I believe Long excelled at).

> It is too bad that the original LP suffers on occasion from what the
> French call "pleurage", or speed instability. so that one's sense of
> pitch is often being challenged and just when you get used to the
> "new" pitch it changes again. Not ruinously so, but I wonder if this
> fault is on the Vox mastertape, for example, or simply a result of a
> faulty machine used for cutting the original LP. PL 7502, by the way.

I take it you mean the Nocturnes LP, which a cover photo suggests is
7520?

> Since Faure's music modulates so often and so unexpectedly these speed
> changes provide an unwanted additional harmonic variety to the
> listening experience.

You seem to imply that the LP was the source for the CD issue available
in Japan? That would be worth knowing, in light of the above-noted
problem. Things like that drive me nuts.

> Boynet was known as something of a virtuoso, having been an early
> student and longtime devotee of Isidor Philipp. She apparently was
> Serge Koussevitzky's favourite pianist and often appeared with the BSO
> in SS concerti and the like. I can imagine her doing these very well.
>
> I cannot be the judge of whether or not these are worth acquiring. I
> am something of a fanatic for Faure's piano music, as I played a lot
> of it myself, even in public.
>
> If I had to recommend a really interesting version of the nocturnes it
> would be Jean-Michel Damase on Accord. Missing the first few
> Nocturnes, alas (apparently the tapes were faulty), but I own the
> Decca issue of the first 6, so I do know them all. A fascinating
> reading by a composer in his own right. (He has written a lot of music
> for harp, of course). A complete set of these on LP, by the way, would
> set you back hundreds of dollars at Mikrokosmos. Unfortunately the
> Accord CD is no longer available, so you have to hunt hard on www.amazon.fr
> or www.ebay.fr.

This seems to be a very promising lead. Dunno which of the "first few"
nocturnes are missing, but chez Qobuz, one can buy, in *lossless*
downloads, his complete Barcarolles along with Nocturnes 4, 5, and 6.
No. 4 has been uploaded to Youtube, from an LP. Attractive, although
interpretively this is not a challenging nocturne, so a little hard to
extrapolate from.

The Damase No's 7-13 can be had on a batch of MP3s from the various
Amazons, along with one Valse Caprice and one Impromptu. This (the MP3s)
appeals to me much less but the price is nominal....

SE.

[pianomaven]

On Feb 13, 7:28 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article

> <bf0fe51b-2ca8-4386-bfb9-4ad64c3e9...@f30g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

Listened again yesterday and I really don't care for some of her
italicizing of melodic high points in the Nocturnes. I just say to
myself, oh, dear, please no. I NEVER get that reaction in listening to
Collard.

> BTW, Eymar could be a pretty capricious, even perverse, pianist, as her
> Brahms Handel Variations attest -- although I think those traits work
> well there. In her solo Faure, I'm less convinced, and her penchant for
> tossing off vast swatches of arpeggiated notes with offhand and
> perfunctory virtuosity -- it doesn't wear well with me. This is not
> exactly the pianist that her chamber Fauré hints at. Short on drama,
> short on sweep (two things, btw, that I believe Long excelled at).

I don't own the three LPs of assorted music by Brahms, Faure etc.
(Debussy?). Just received her Brahms Piano Quartets from Germany on
that weird label which was reprinted by MHS in North America.

> > It is too bad that the original LP suffers on occasion from what the
> > French call "pleurage", or speed instability. so that one's sense of
> > pitch is often being challenged and just when you get used to the
> > "new" pitch it changes again. Not ruinously so, but I wonder if this
> > fault is on the Vox mastertape, for example, or simply a result of a
> > faulty machine used for cutting the original LP. PL 7502, by the way.
>
> I take it you mean the Nocturnes LP, which a cover photo suggests is
> 7520?

I am only quoting the inside of the booklet. The number provided there
by the producers is 7502, not 7520. But whatever. Not really important
in the final analysis.

> > Since Faure's music modulates so often and so unexpectedly these speed
> > changes provide an unwanted additional harmonic variety to the
> > listening experience.
>
> You seem to imply that the LP was the source for the CD issue available
> in Japan? That would be worth knowing, in light of the above-noted
> problem. Things like that drive me nuts.

Yes, this is an LP to CD transfer. Greendoor only works from LP from
what I can determine. Can one even think that a mastertape of this
recording exists somewhere at Vox, whoever owns that label now?

> > Boynet was known as something of a virtuoso, having been an early
> > student and longtime devotee of Isidor Philipp. She apparently was
> > Serge Koussevitzky's favourite pianist and often appeared with the BSO
> > in SS concerti and the like. I can imagine her doing these very well.
>
> > I cannot be the judge of whether or not these are worth acquiring. I
> > am something of a fanatic for Faure's piano music, as I played a lot
> > of it myself, even in public.
>
> > If I had to recommend a really interesting version of the nocturnes it
> > would be Jean-Michel Damase on Accord. Missing the first few
> > Nocturnes, alas (apparently the tapes were faulty), but I own the
> > Decca issue of the first 6, so I do know them all. A fascinating
> > reading by a composer in his own right. (He has written a lot of music
> > for harp, of course). A complete set of these on LP, by the way, would
> > set you back hundreds of dollars at Mikrokosmos. Unfortunately the
> > Accord CD is no longer available, so you have to hunt hard onwww.amazon.fr
> > orwww.ebay.fr.
>
> This seems to be a very promising lead. Dunno which of the "first few"
> nocturnes are missing, but chez Qobuz, one can buy, in *lossless*
> downloads, his complete Barcarolles along with Nocturnes 4, 5, and 6.
> No. 4 has been uploaded to Youtube, from an LP.

Qobuz will not permit me to download. I had to request an unofficial
transfer of DG's Slenczynska reissues from a former colleague in
Hamburg.

How do you manage to do this, Steve?

Attractive, although
> interpretively this is not a challenging nocturne, so a little hard to
> extrapolate from.
>
> The Damase No's 7-13 can be had on a batch of MP3s from the various
> Amazons, along with one Valse Caprice and one Impromptu. This (the MP3s)
> appeals to me much less but the price is nominal....

I weighed the downloads, but I have restrictions on downloads. You may
not. So, I hunted for the Accord CD and found it. (And twitted my
colleague at Universal in Paris for not producing the complete set,
using an LP if necessary to fill out the set if the tapes were no
longer usable) I have Damase's address in Paris and intend to drop him
a note about these very early recordings he made as a young man.

Incidentally, I am not sure Amazon.fr will allow downloads from North
America. Amazon.com will, of course. I wonder if they are available
there?

TD

[Steve Emerson]

In article
<b06327bf-e7cf-4737...@ge5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

pianomaven <1pian...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > BTW, Eymar could be a pretty capricious, even perverse, pianist, as her
> > Brahms Handel Variations attest -- although I think those traits work
> > well there. In her solo Faure, I'm less convinced, and her penchant for
> > tossing off vast swatches of arpeggiated notes with offhand and
> > perfunctory virtuosity -- it doesn't wear well with me. This is not
> > exactly the pianist that her chamber Fauré hints at. Short on drama,
> > short on sweep (two things, btw, that I believe Long excelled at).
>
> I don't own the three LPs of assorted music by Brahms, Faure etc.
> (Debussy?).

That's Melodiya C 0149-0150.
Ravel Gaspard
Debussy Images Bk 1
Chabrier Idylle
Nat Le bucheron

A friend supplied me with the content. The Gaspard is immense and highly
impressive, to me at least (not a great comparative connoisseur of the
work). Still, this is enormously more persuasive playing than what's on
the solo Faure record.

Debussy Reflets is actually rather Gaspard-like. Noteworthy.

(Thanks for further Boynet information.)

> > > If I had to recommend a really interesting version of the nocturnes it
> > > would be Jean-Michel Damase on Accord. Missing the first few
> > > Nocturnes, alas (apparently the tapes were faulty), but I own the
> > > Decca issue of the first 6, so I do know them all. A fascinating
> > > reading by a composer in his own right. (He has written a lot of music
> > > for harp, of course). A complete set of these on LP, by the way, would
> > > set you back hundreds of dollars at Mikrokosmos. Unfortunately the
> > > Accord CD is no longer available, so you have to hunt hard onwww.amazon.fr
> > > orwww.ebay.fr.
> >
> > This seems to be a very promising lead. Dunno which of the "first few"
> > nocturnes are missing, but chez Qobuz, one can buy, in *lossless*
> > downloads, his complete Barcarolles along with Nocturnes 4, 5, and 6.
> > No. 4 has been uploaded to Youtube, from an LP.
>
> Qobuz will not permit me to download. I had to request an unofficial
> transfer of DG's Slenczynska reissues from a former colleague in
> Hamburg.
>
> How do you manage to do this, Steve?

When I did do it, as much as a couple of years ago, it was
straightforward. Will let you know the outcome if I attempt to buy the
Damase Barcarolles et al.

> > The Damase No's 7-13 can be had on a batch of MP3s from the various
> > Amazons, along with one Valse Caprice and one Impromptu. This (the MP3s)
> > appeals to me much less but the price is nominal....
>
> I weighed the downloads, but I have restrictions on downloads. You may
> not. So, I hunted for the Accord CD and found it. (And twitted my
> colleague at Universal in Paris for not producing the complete set,
> using an LP if necessary to fill out the set if the tapes were no
> longer usable) I have Damase's address in Paris and intend to drop him
> a note about these very early recordings he made as a young man.
>
> Incidentally, I am not sure Amazon.fr will allow downloads from North
> America. Amazon.com will, of course. I wonder if they are available
> there?

Yes:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0040JIWY8/

SE.

[td]

On Feb 14, 4:35 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:

> > I weighed the downloads, but I have restrictions on downloads. You may
> > not. So, I hunted for the Accord CD and found it. (And twitted my
> > colleague at Universal in Paris for not producing the complete set,
> > using an LP if necessary to fill out the set if the tapes were no
> > longer usable) I have Damase's address in Paris and intend to drop him
> > a note about these very early recordings he made as a young man.
>
> > Incidentally, I am not sure Amazon.fr will allow downloads from North
> > America. Amazon.com will, of course. I wonder if they are available
> > there?
>
> Yes:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0040JIWY8/

That's good news, of course. And probably cheaper than tracking down
the CD. But I happened upon one very reasonably priced just by chance.

TD