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Frank Forman

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UPLOAD! Out-of-Print Historical Compact Discs
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I am pleased to announce that I have now uploaded my Biddulph and Pearl
collections, for European copyright rules specify that recording more than
fifty years old (not the date of the last processing ("fixed in sound") in
American federal copyright law) are in the public domain. I excluded two
of my Biddulphs, Ricci playing the Beethoven and Brahms concerti with a
dozen or so cadenzas. While of immense historical importance, they are not
historical recordings!

I do not know the status of European copyright on piano and organ ROLLS,
though the rolls were punched far more than fifty years ago.

By one estimate I have about 929, consisting of between one and 170 CDs
(that one being the Brilliant Classics "complete" Mozart Edition).

77 Biddulph
52 Pearl
130 Other defunct labels
216 deleted CDs on active labels (many will be removed as I consult web
pages of the labels, Arkivmusic, and the R.E.D. Classical Catalogue when I
get the 2013 edition.)
417 excluded, usually because the recording is less than fifty years old.
892 Total

Somehow this does not add up to 929. I am not going through the immense
chore of reconciliation.

What I need your opinion about is which deleted CDs on active labels I
might upload here to FileFactory. I support the general principle of
copyrights, as a means of encouraging the production of more FRESH
transfers of old recordings. I most definitely shall not upload any
Pristine CDs, even when the recordings are more than fifty years old. Two
cases:

Major labels, like BMG, CBS, Columbia, Decca, London, DG, EMI, MCA,
Mercury, Philips, Sony, Telarc, Teldec, Testament, Vanguard, Vox,
Westminser.
All signs indicate that these labels or their parent companies relegate
classical music to the background. In fact, I can't keep track of the
mergers, proposed mergers, sell offs of classical music divisions. If this
is the case, my uploading will have an insignifant effect on corporate
decisions and will not discourage the making of FRESH transfers.

Shall I refrain from uploading DG collections of, say Kempff and Walcha,
which are likely to remain in their catalogs. What about the Columbia
recordings up through 1962 of Gould?

The second case is that of small labels that continue to be active in
stocking, if not making, historical recordings. Here's the situation for
historical recording on three smaller labels:

Tahra in print 15, deleted 12
Music & Arts in print 8, delted 30
Naxos in print 26, deleted 3

I plan to upload nothing from:
Appian (of which I have 3)
Arbiter (3)
Dutton (2)
Glenn Gould Foundation (3)
Symposium (10)
I have not checked to see which ones are out of print.

In fine, there is what is legal (nearly everything except maybe for piano
and organ ROLLS, even though punched far more than fifty years ago), what
is moral, and what one can get away with (maybe nearly everything
classical, since the major companies don't care and the smaller ones can't
afford the legal fees).

It is the moral issue I should like to see debated here.

Now here are brief listings for my Biddulph and Pearl uploads. If you say
they are more valuable, for music merit and/or rarity, I shall not
disagree. After I am finished, I'll provide a list of Columbia and Victor
M-set equivalents and integrate that knowledge into previous spread
sheets.

BIDDULPH

The Biddulph CDs are each zipped and re-zipped into nine batches.
The booklets (I am missing a few) are zipped into Biddulph Booklets.zip.
In some cases, I split the CD into two, the reason being that when I
converted my entire CD collection into .mp3 files, I put the files of
artist A into the artist A folder and artist B into the artist B folder.
And a few times, I accidentally placed a zipped CD at the end of one batch
and the beginning of the next one.

Please browse this listing, in case you don't immediately download all the
files, and unzip whatever batch suits your fancy first.

I have uploaded this note to http://www.filefactory.com/f/e506defe41134d59
, which is where all files for out of print historical CDs are being
placed.

Biddulph Booklets.zip

Bidulph 1.zip
Biddulph 80204 Szigeti Prok & Strav
Biddulph 80212 ML 5266 Szigeti Br VS1 and ML 4712 Br PQ3
Biddulph 80217 Szigeti ML 4286A Bach VAS3 and ML 4891 Handel, Tartini,
Bach
Biddulph BID 80147 Spalding
Biddulph BID 80147 William Primrose 1947 Recordings
Biddulph BID 80171 DuBois Bach
Biddulph BID 80172 DuBois Frank, Debussy, Beethoven
Biddulph BID 80216 and 80219 (8) Tertis Complete Recordings

Bidulph 2.zip
Biddulph BID 82045 Ney Mozart Con. 15 Beethoven Con
Biddulph BID 83066 Adolf and Fritz Busch conduct Mozart
Biddulph BID 83069-70 (2) Great Orchestral Transcriptions
Biddulph BID 83072 Stokowski The Complete 1925 Electrics
Biddulph LAB 005-8 (4) Szigeti, The Art of Joseph
Biddulph LAB 013 Seidel Brahms and Grieg
Biddulph LAB 014 Thibaud The 1922-23 HMV & 1924 Victor Recordings
Biddulph LAB 016 Kreisler & Thibaud Play Mozart
Biddulph LAB 017 Casals Victors 1926-8
Biddulph LAB 023 Sammons and Tertis Moz Mend
Biddulph LAB 024 Thibaud The 1924-27 HMV Recordings

Bidulph 3.zip
Biddulph LAB 029 Cortot Franck PQn + Chausson & Faure
Biddulph LAB 029 Thibaud Chausson Con. + Fauré Berceuse w
Biddulph LAB 030 Francescatti Compete HMVs
Biddulph LAB 043 Szigeti Acoustics
Biddulph LAB 045 Flesch, Carl The HMV Recordings
Biddulph LAB 045 Hubay, Jenö The HMV Recordings
Biddulph LAB 048 Feuermann 1939 Victors
Biddulph LAB 051 Meng. Tch Con. 1 (Hansen) and Sym 6
Biddulph LAB 054 Spohr and Mendelssohn Spalding
Biddulph LAB 064 Szigeti Bach-Reitz, Tar, Moz
Biddulph LAB 070 Szigeti with Foldes disc 1
Biddulph LAB 071 Szigeti with Foldes disc 2 and Bartok
Biddulph LAB 072-3 (2) Flonzaley Q plays Romantic Masterpieces
Biddulph LAB 074 Feuermann Mozart and Dohnanyi
Biddulph LAB 074 Primrose String Trios and Duos w Heifetz and Feuermann
Biddulph LAB 076 Menges Beethoven & Brahms

Bidulph 4.zip
Biddulph LAB 076 Samuel Brahms VS 2,3 w
Biddulph LAB 077-8 (2) Huberman Complete Brunswicks
Biddulph LAB 083-5 BuschBeethoven Q
Biddulph LAB 088 Primrose with Spalding
Biddulph LAB 089-90 (2) Flonzaley Q Play Classical Masterworks
Biddulph LAB 091-2 Bohemian Q Smet 1 Suk 1 Dv 12 (on6) +
Biddulph LAB 092 Prague Q Dvorak on 7,8
Biddulph LAB 093 Pro Arte Schubert Qn in C, Brahms Sextet 1
Biddulph LAB 097 Capet Q Haydn Lark, Moz 19, Bee 5
Biddulph LAB 099 Capet Q Beethoven 14 & 15
Biddulph LAB 103 Mozart, Schumann, and Dvorak Qs

Bidulph 5.zip
Biddulph LAB 105 Pro Arte Debussy, Ravel, Fauré
Biddulph LAB 107 Bartok Q2 (Budapest), Q 5 (Kolisch) and Strav 3 Pieces
Biddulph LAB 116 Thibaud Faure Chamber Music
Biddulph LAB 120-1 (2) Budapest Q (Old) Brahms Q2-3 Qn 1-2 Sex2
Biddulph LAB 133-4 (2) Capet Q Sb 14 Sm 2 Franck Qn Deb Rav
Biddulph LAB 135 Prihoda Paganini, Vieuxtemps, Wieniawski
Biddulph LAB 138 Seidl Franck and Victors
Biddulph LAB 141-3 (3) Casals Acoustics
Biddulph LAB 150 Anderson sings Brahms with Primrose and ormandy
Biddulph LAB 150 Primrose Brahms Viola Sonatas +

Bidulph 6.zip
Biddulph LAB 159 Budapest Q (Old) Beet Qs 7, 13 m 1-5 and GF
Biddulph LAB 165 Brahms, Schumann, Reger Busch Q
Biddulph LHW 002 Cortot Weber & Mendelssohn
Biddulph LHW 003-5 (3) Cortot Schumann
Biddulph LHW 006 Cortot Debussy Ravel
Biddulph LHW 008 Grainger Schumann Brahms
Biddulph LHW 010 Grainger Bach and Chopin
Biddulph LHW 012-3 (2) Lamond Beethoven
Biddulph LHW 014-5 (2) Cortot Acoustic Victors
Biddulph LHW 016 Landowska play Bach w
Biddulph LHW 016 Landowska The Early Recordings (1923-30)

Bidulph 7.zip
Biddulph LHW 016 Landowska The Early Recordings (1923-30) (again (sorry))
Biddulph LHW 018 Brahms Con + Backhaus
Biddulph LHW 020 Cortot plays short works
Biddulph LHW 021 Cortot HMV Acoustics
Biddulph LHW 023 WTC 1-17 -Harriet Cohen and Evlyn Howard-Jones
Biddulph LHW 031 Landowska play Bach w Menu
Biddulph LHW 032 Landowska plays harpsichord concerti
Biddulph LHW 033 Ney pre-war Beethoven
Biddulph LHW 037 Beethoven Concerti 4 and 5 Backhaus
Biddulph LHW 038 Backhaus Polydor acoustics + Trout
Biddulph LHW 039 Schubert 8 and 9 studio Mengelberg
Biddulph LHW 041 Grainger plays Grieg & Granger Stoki H. Bowl + Rubinstein
Rach 2
Biddulph WHL 003-4 (2) Fiedler Brahms

Bidulph 8.zip
Biddulph WHL 008-9 (2) Toscanini BBC All 78 releases
Biddulph WHL 014 Tchaikovsky 3+ Coates
Biddulph WHL 023 Music from France Telefunken Mengelberg
Biddulph WHL 024 Music for Strings Telefunken Mengelberg
Biddulph WHL 025-6 (2) Mengelberg acoustics
Biddulph WHL 027 Stokowski Dv9 (on6) 1927 +
Biddulph WHL 051 Meng Tch Con. 1 (Hansen) & Sym 5
Biddulph WHL 052 Brahms 1 Abendorth,LSO

Bidulph 9.zip
Biddulph WHL 052 Brahms 1 Abendorth,LSO (again)
Biddulph WHL 052 Brahms 3 Krauss VPO
Biddulph WHL 053 Brahms 2 Damrosch NY Sym
Biddulph WHL 053 Brahms 4 Abendroth LSO
Biddulph WHL 057 Brahms 2 and 4 Mengelberg
Biddulph WHL 107 Beethoven 1 and 3 PSONY Mengelberg ERROR: In fact WHL 020


PEARL

The Pearl CDs are each zipped and re-zipped into nine batches.
The booklets (I am missing a few) are zipped into Pearl Booklets.zip.
In some cases, I split the CD into two, the reason being that when I
converted my entire CD collection into .mp3 files, I put the files of
artist A into the artist A folder and artist B into the artist B folder.
And a few times, I accidentally placed a zipped CD at the end of one batch
and the beginning of the next one.

I have uploaded this note to http://www.filefactory.com/f/e506defe41134d59
, which is where all files for out of print historical CDs are being
placed.

Pearl Booklets.zip

Pearl 1.zip
Pearl BVA I,II (6) The Recorded Violin
Pearl GEM 0046 Backhaus Schubert Schumann Bach
Pearl GEM 0125 Schnabel Beethoven & Brahms with Fournier
Pearl GEM 0207 Primrose Early Recordings
Pearl GEM 0224 Spalding Brahms Concerto and 15 Hung
Pearl GEMM CD 9019 Landowska Musique Ancienne
Pearl GEMM CD 9026 Szigeit and Schnabel Beethoven VS 5, 10 and Moz VS in
E, K. 481
Pearl GEMM CD 9077 Feuermann Parlophones

Pearl 2.zip
Pearl GEMM CD 9080 Coppola Berloz Damnation of Faust Harty.zip [ERROR:
This is Coppola (sorry)]
Pearl GEMM CD 9109 Paderewski, vol. 3
Pearl GEMM CD 9124 Harpsichord, Great Virtuosi of the, Vol I
Pearl GEMM CD 9154 Mengelberg The Rarest Recordings
Pearl GEMM CD 9163 Sapellnikoff, Vassily Tchaikovsky Con 1 +
Pearl GEMM CD 9193 (2) Freund
Pearl GEMM CD 9242 Woodhouse, Violet Gordon
Pearl GEMM CD 9330+ (4) Kreisler Beethoven Vn Son (NO BOOKLET)
Pearl GEMM CD 9341 Huberman Bach and Mozart
Pearl GEMM CD 9349 Casals Dvorak - Bruch - Boccherini

Pearl 3.zip
Pearl GEMM CD 9373 (3) Toscanini NYPhil
Pearl GEMM CD 9379 and 9445 (2) Schumann Lieder & Operetta 1927-38
Pearl GEMM CD 9396 Cortot plays Liszt
Pearl GEMM CD 9399 Schnabel Plays Bach 2PC2 and Brahms PC 2 Sir Adrian
Pearl GEMM CD 9442 Feuermann Columbias vol. 1
Pearl GEMM CD 9443 Feuermann Columbias vol. 2
Pearl GEMM CD 9446 Feuermann Columbias vol. 3
Pearl GEMM CD 9460 Prihoda 1922-39
Pearl GEMM CD 9466 Kulenkampff Mend and Brahms Con
Pearl GEMM CD 9474 Mengelberg NYPSO all electrics but the M sets
Pearl GEMM CD 9485 Harty Berlioz

Pearl 4.zip
Pearl GEMM CD 9488 A Stokowski Fantasia
Pearl GEMM CD 9489 Landowska plays Bach
Pearl GEMM CD 9498 Vecsey
Pearl GEMM CD 9911 Lamond Liszt's Last Pupil Liszt+
Pearl GEMM CD 9955 (5) Elgar acoustics
Pearl GEMM CD 9957 Grainger Bach and Schumann
Pearl GEMM CD 9974 and GEM 0080 (2) De Greef Plays Saint Saëns, Grieg +
(NO BOOKLET)

Pearl 5.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9018 & 9070 (6) Mengelberg Columbia Recordings
Pearl GEMM CDS 9018 & 9070 (6) Mengelberg Columbia Recordings.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9044 (2) Stokowski Shostakovich 1,5,7 +
Pearl GEMM CDS 9044 (2) Stokowski Shostakovich Symphonies 1, 5, 7 +.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9063 (3) Beethoven Con.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9063 (3) Schnabel Beethoven Con (w. live fourth 9 (MAGICAL
REC. OF MOV. 2))

Pearl 6.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9137 (7) Coates and others The 1927-32 HMV 'Potted' Ring
Pearl GEMM CDS 9137 (7) COATES + The 1927-32 HMV 'Potted' Ring.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9141 (2) Busch Schubert
Pearl GEMM CDS 9141 (2) Complete Schubert Recordings Busch.zip

Pearl 7.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9148-50 (6) The Recorded Viola
Pearl GEMM CDS 9148-50 (6) Viola, The Recorded.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9263 (3) Bach BBC and OS Busch.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9263 (3) Busch Bach BBC & OS
Pearl GEMM CDS 9271-2 (4) Schnabel Plays Schubert
Pearl GEMM CDS 9271-2 (4) Schnabel Plays Schubert.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9900 (2) Bach Mass in b Elisabeth Schumann, Coates.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9900 (2) Coates Bach Mass in b Elisabeth Schumann (with her
other Bach)
Pearl GEMM CDS 9900 Elisabeth Schumann Bach.zip

Pearl 8.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9922 (3) New York Philharmonic at 150
Pearl GEMM CDS 9922 (3) NY Phil at 150.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9929 (2) Mahler early recordings (incl. Fried Sym. 2
acoustic)
Pearl GEMM CDS 9929 (2) Mahler early recordings.zip
Pearl GEMM CDS 9981 & 9984 (6) The Recorded Cello
Pearl GEMM CDS 9981-6 (6) Cello, The Recorded.zip
Pearl GEMS 0006 (2) Schnabel Mozart (studios).zip
Pearl GEMS 0006 (2) Schnabel Plays Mozart (studios)

Pearl 9.zip
Pearl GEMS 0024 (2) Wagner Conductors on Record
Pearl GEMS 0024 (2) Wagner Conductors on Record.zip
Pearl GEMS 0102 (2) Backhaus British Acoustics
Pearl GEMS 0102 (2) British Acoustics Backhaus.zip
Pearl GEMS 074 (3) Mengelberg Beethoven 1 3 4 5 6 8 + Telefunken

Source for the great freeware directory listing program I used:
Karen's Directory Printer v5.3.2
© 1997, 1999-2002, 2004-2005, 2007-2008 by Karen Kenworthy, All Rights
Reserved
http://www.karenware.com/
Say high to her and help yourself or purchased everything on a CD. It
works on the Windows 8 computer I recently bought.
I used it on: 10:59UT 12/12/02
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t

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Dec 3, 2012, 8:43:12 PM12/3/12
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This is very generous.

Last night, File Factory let me download a number of these files without
questions and even simultaneously.

That was very generous, but...

Today, they refuse to download any file more than 500MB unless one
becomes a premium member.

Frank Forman

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Dec 3, 2012, 8:48:30 PM12/3/12
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I'll have to rezip them all over again. Quite a chore! Thanks for
alerting me.

Frank Forman

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Dec 3, 2012, 9:09:24 PM12/3/12
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I've decided to go ahead and upload deleted disks from both active and
defunct labels. To save everyone's time, I'm going to do major artists
first, like Abendroth, Mengelberg, Scherchen, and Szigeti and from all
labels. So the Biddulphs and Pearls will contain only discs that do not
feature these artists.

I'm also going to take the opportunity to incorporate the booklets
(pdfs) with the tracks (mp3s). I should have done that all along, but
you learn as you go.

It's not quite as much of a chore uploading the second time around,
since I speed up with experience.

Please be patient!

Oh, I found the first response insulting and I am not going to reply to
it. These newsgroups should practice the utmost civility.

Frank

Matthew B. Tepper

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Dec 3, 2012, 11:17:48 PM12/3/12
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As "t" said, this is very generous. (I have not even seen the response that
you found insulting. It was probably made by somebody in my killfile.)
However, I'm afraid I also get the same message from FileFactory, to wit:

"This file is only available to Premium Members. It is larger than the free
download limit of 500 MB. To access this file, you will to need to upgrade
to FileFactory Premium."

--
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Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

Steve de Mena

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Dec 4, 2012, 4:48:52 AM12/4/12
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On 12/3/12 8:17 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> As "t" said, this is very generous. (I have not even seen the response that
> you found insulting. It was probably made by somebody in my killfile.)
> However, I'm afraid I also get the same message from FileFactory, to wit:
>
> "This file is only available to Premium Members. It is larger than the free
> download limit of 500 MB. To access this file, you will to need to upgrade
> to FileFactory Premium."
>

So become a Premium member, problem solved. How do you expect file
sharing services to survive if they allowed multiple downloads of
large files.

Wish the uploads were lossless.

Steve
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Arbiter

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Dec 4, 2012, 8:06:57 AM12/4/12
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With your best interests in mind I advise you to remove the Etelka
Freund on Pearl which has a mechanical copyright and not to touch
Arbiter at all.

Allan Evans
director
Arbiter of Cultural Traditions
www.arbiterrecords.com

Gerard

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Dec 4, 2012, 8:37:59 AM12/4/12
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Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> typed:
Funny, those Mena "solutions".

Matthew B. Tepper

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Dec 4, 2012, 4:26:09 PM12/4/12
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Steve de Mena <st...@demena.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:dbGdnXnGtfmZWiDN...@giganews.com:
It's certainly not Frank's fault, but I'm reminded of what happened when a
friend of JS Bach sent him a cask of wine. After duties, fees, leakage,
and probably sampling by the people entrusted to carry it, it turned out
not to be much of a gift after all. Not the sender's fault, either.

Kepler

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Dec 14, 2012, 10:28:13 AM12/14/12
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Is there anything left of the Pavilion records business? I don't think there's been a new Pearl CD for over 5 years. Their catalog was full of very valuable historic reissues, many of which I was fortunate to obtain while available, such as the Zenatello, Ruffo, De Luca, Schnabel, Landowska, and Mengelberg recordings... I've been engaged in the slow process of making backups of these before they go bad; the one set I've not been able to find in playable condition is the 6 CD set of Mengelberg's Columbia recordings; after multiple purchases on amazon I have been able to put together all but Vol. 1 CD 3 from that set; the recordings on that CD, however, are all available on Naxos, transferred by either Mr. Obert Thorn (who did the Pearl transfers, very well, in my opinion), or Ward Marston.
It would be lovely were Pearl to make its back catalog available for download; I'd certainly be willing to pay for that, especially if they include scans of liner notes, etc.
Kepler

wade

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Dec 14, 2012, 10:51:58 AM12/14/12
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The Pearl pressings weren't ALWAYS bad, the early ones DID suffer the disc rot/bronzing characteristic of several labels (including Hyperion) in the late 1980s but later pressings did NOT all go bad. My copies of the Russian Singers sets and the de Lucas and Zenatellos are all fine.

italo...@gmail.com

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Jul 3, 2014, 7:45:37 PM7/3/14
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I am more than glad to see these recordings online, however, it's a shame that the file quality of the uploaded music is so low. Pearl Records had a magnificent transfer policy most of the time, and that label is almost non-existent on the web.
I would be interested in uploading some of them, at least the most important (toscanini, schnabel, busch), in flac format to some specialized blog or tracker. If interested in sharing this great collection, please reply this message.
(English is not my native language)

YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

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Jun 23, 2017, 6:45:29 AM6/23/17
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Thank you!

YM

gesaporiti

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Apr 26, 2019, 2:38:21 PM4/26/19
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there's not cds biddulph on your filefactory link.
regards.
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