Good Enough to Justify Buying Many Recordings
Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL
Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
about that.]
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
Adam Dubin
Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
An entirely subjective exercise, no doubt, suffused with primieval
emotional attachments and the like.
My list includes (ranging from about 4-10 performances each, on CD and
LP):
Beethoven: 'Eroica' Symphony
Brahms: Piano Concerto No.1
Variations and Fugue on a Theme by Handel
Symphony No.1
Mendelssohn: Symphony No.3
Octet
Nielsen: Symphony No.3
Rachmaninnoff: Piano Concerto No.3
Saint-Saens: Septet
I'm sure I've forgotten some along the way.
Adam
isaak98
Beethoven Symphony 3 and 9
Mozart Piano Concertos 20, 21, 23
Bach Goldberg Variations
Holst The Planets
Sibelius Violin Concerto
Isaak
Simon Roberts
: Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
: feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
: be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
: about that.]
My main obsessions are Monteverdi's Vespers, Bach's B minor mass and
passions, Handel's Messiah, Haydn (almost everything), Beethoven (almost
everything again, but especially symphony 7, the cello sonatas, piano
sonatas and the missa solemnis), Bruckner 5/7/8/9 (especially 8) and
Mahler 9. (A former obsession with various Mozart works seems to have
subsided....) Sometimes the duplications reflect the fact that there are
many wonderful performances to be had; in other cases it's that I keep
trying to find something wonderful (e.g., no recording of Messiah quite
"makes it" for me).
Simon
Matthew B. Tepper
In article <6oacp2$ore$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>, r...@xs2.xs4all.nl spake unto
the unwashed masses:
>
>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many"
>may be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's
>not argue about that.]
>
>Roland van Gaalen
>Amsterdam
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John Wilson
Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
>
>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>about that.]
>
My obsessions are:
Bach: Organ works, b minor mass
Mozart: Don Giovanni, Figaro, Flute, late symphonies, piano concertos
17 on.
Haydn: Paris and London symphonies, Creation, Seasons, late 6 masses
Beethoven: 9 symphonies, Fidelio, Missa, piano concertos 4/5, Violin
concerto
Schubert: "Great" C Major Symphony, Symphony 5, Trout
Mendelssohn: Symphonies 3,4,5, Elijah, Octet
Schumann: Symphonies 1-4
Brahms: Symphonies 1,2,3, Piano concertos, Violin Concerto, Haydn
Variations
Wagner: Tannhauser thru Parsifal
Bruckner: Symphonies 3, 5,6,8,9
Mahler: All the symphonies except #1 but including the completions of
the 10th
Tchaikovsky: Pathetique
Shostakovich: Symphonies 5, 7,8, 10
Bartok: Concerto for Orch., Music for Strings
This list is way toooo long. But, I really do love each of these works
so much that I want to hear different interpretations. God forbid
that I should ever have to choose a "desert island" version.
John
Vladislav Panferov
>
> On 12 Jul 1998 13:13:06 GMT, r...@xs2.xs4all.nl (Roland van Gaalen -
> Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
>
> >
> >Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
> >feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
> >be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
> >about that.]
> >
>
> My obsessions are:
>
> Brahms: Symphonies 1,2,3, Piano concertos, Violin Concerto, Haydn
Why not 4? Actually, of my modest Brahms collection I have two copies
for 1,2,3 but only one for 4. :-) So maybe that's some kind of a general
rule... Seriously, Brahms symphonies is the music I can think of having
countless versions for (can't really explain why).
[snip]
>
> John
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> My main obsessions are Monteverdi's Vespers, Bach's B minor mass and
> passions, Handel's Messiah, Haydn (almost everything), Beethoven (almost
> everything again, but especially symphony 7, the cello sonatas, piano
> sonatas and the missa solemnis), Bruckner 5/7/8/9 (especially 8) and
> Mahler 9. (A former obsession with various Mozart works seems to have
> subsided....) Sometimes the duplications reflect the fact that there are
> many wonderful performances to be had; in other cases it's that I keep
> trying to find something wonderful (e.g., no recording of Messiah quite
> "makes it" for me).
That sounds about right. The works of which I have 'many' (in my case,
4-6 -- the mind boggles) recordings include Berg's violin concerto,
Pierrot Lunaire, most of Beethoven's symphonies, late quartets,
many piano sonatas, Bruckner 7, reflecting my tastes pretty well,
but also a few Chopin pieces, of which I doubt I'd want to have even
a single recording if people started recording them about 30 years
ago. OTOH, I like the B minor mass and Moses und Aron at least as
much as any of the above but happily own only one version of each.
Similarly, had Schnabel and Haskil recorded Mozart sonata cycles,
my quest might have ended right there; instead I keep blowing dough
like a putz, now beginning to fear I'll collect all available sets
and still be unsatisfied.
Michael
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Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL
: Hector Berlioz' _Grande Messe des morts_, of which I have 36.
That's the sort of answer I was hoping for.
I suggest that we keep the number of "obsessions" to be reported in this
thread small, which can be accomplished by suitably defining "many"
recordings so that in your case you end up with just a few, if any.
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL
My own #1 obsession is Beethoven's Eroica.
The event that prompted me to start this thread is my decision NOT to buy
[Strauss/Death&Transfiguration/Furtwangler/EMI/1950s/studio] yesterday
because I already have a live Furtwangler recording of this piece -- which
proves to me that it is not quite The Truth for me. (Upon reflection,
though, I should admit that nothing by Strauss could possibly reach that
level -- not even Four Last Songs -- even though I do like his music.)
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
Sara Freeman
- Amsterdam - NL) writes:
>
>
>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many"
may
>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not
argue
>about that.]
Mahler Fifth Symphony
Beethoven Seventh Symphony
Schubert Ninth Symphony
>
>Roland van Gaalen
>Amsterdam
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Sibelius 2nd and violin concerto
Brahms 2nd Symphony
Beethoven's 3rd, 6th, 7th & 9th Symphonies and Emperor concerto
Mozart's Jupiter Sym. and 21st piano concerto
Handel Op.6 concerti grossi
Tchaikovsky Pathetique
Mahler 1st, 2nd & 9th symphonies
Schumann 4th Symphony
Schubert Unfinished Symphony
etc.
Marc Perman
Christian Ohn
: Bach: Organ works
How many complete recordings have you got of those :)
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Liszt: Sonata & Faust Symphony. as a general rule I buy any version that I see
that I don't have.
Wagner: Tristan und Isolde.
Brahms: All Symphonies, Piano Concerto No. 2, Violin Sonatas
Mahler: 2nd & 9th symphonies
Bruckner: 7th & 9th symphonies
Beethoven: Symphony No 7, Piano Sonata No 31 & 32.
Schubert: Sonatas: D784, D959. Wanderer Fantasy.
Dvorak: Mass in D, Stabat Mater.
Berlioz: Romeo & Juliet
Bach: Violin Sonatas & Partitas
I would like to get more Ring cycles but generally decide to spend that money
on other things.
Here's something odd. I have over 10 recordings of Schumann's Carnaval and I
don't even like it that much (compared to his other works). It usually turns
up as a coupling on various piano recital discs that I have purchased based on
the performer.
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>
> Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
> feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
> be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
> about that.]
Mahler: 3rd Symphony
Bartok: Concerto for Orchestra
Tchaikovsky: 6th Symphony
Tchaikovsky: Francesca da Rimini
Beethoven: 5th Symphony
Bach: Brandenburgs
Handel: Messiah
Bruckner: 5th and 6th Symphonies
Vaughan Williams: 8th Symphony is worth multiple recordings
but only Boult and Barbirolli have gotten it right, IMHO.
Strauss: Various Tone Poems
Stravinsky: Three major ballets
Mahler: 9th Symphony
Brahms: All 4 Symphonies
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>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>about that.]
I limited my list to those works that I have over four recordings of
(except in the case of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas below):
Beethoven's Ninth Symphony (thirteen recordings)****
Beethoven's Seventh Symphony (twelve recordings)
Beethoven's Fifth Symphony (ten recordings)
Beethoven's Third Symphony (six recordings)
Beethoven's Fourth Symphony (six recordings)
Beethoven's Piano Sonatas (four complete recordings)
Brahms's Second Symphony (nine recordings)
Brahms's Third Symphony (seven recordings)
Brahms's First Symphony (six recordings)
Brahms's Fourth Symphony (six recordings)
(Oddly, my favourites are 2nd and 4th, but 4th is last.)
Bruckner's Eighth Symphony (eight recordings)
Bruckner's Ninth Symphony (five recordings)
Debussy's La Mer (six recordings)
Holst's The Planets (five recordings)
Mahler's Sixth Symphony (six recordings)
Mahler's Ninth Symphony (six recordings)
Mahler's Second Symphony (five recordings)
Rachmaninoff's Third Piano Concerto (five recordings)
Ravel's Bolero (five recordings)
Strauss Family works (seven compact discs' worth)
Stravinsky's Rite Of Spring (seven recordings)
Tchaikovsky's Fourth Symphony (nine recordings)
Tchaikovsky's Sixth Symphony (eight recordings)
Tchaikovsky's Fifth Symphony (seven recordings)
(Oddly, my favourites are in reverse order.)
(**** the most recordings I have of anything)
(The top three works in this list are the only works of which I have
ten or more recordings. This list is added to regularly.)
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Thomas L. Walcher
>
>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>about that.]
>
>Roland van Gaalen
>Amsterdam
My list includes the following:
Dvorak Cello Concerto - 28 recordings (my favorite piece)
Bruckner 4th Symphony - 12 recordings
Mahler 6th Symphony - 8 recordings.
Tom Walcher
Benjamin Maso
Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL wrote in message
<6oacp2$ore$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>...
>
>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>about that.]
>
>Roland van Gaalen
>Amsterdam
Number of recordings:
Eroica 27
Bruckner 7 22
Bruckner 8 31
Bruckner 9 23
Bach, sonatas and partitas for solo violin 24
Beethoven op. 131 22
op. 132 28
Lied von der Erde 21
Symphonie fantastique 22
Liszt sonata 28
Hammerklavier sonata 33
But my choices are unfortunately restricted by the recording industry. For
instance, I would be quite willing to give up 20 Symphonies Fantastiques for
one decent recording of Handel's Tamerlano.
Benjo
PeterL6647
recordings of the Berlioz Requiem so tomorrow I'm going out and buying 3 more:)
Jimmy Doster
Simon Roberts wrote in message <6oair3$ofg$3...@netnews.upenn.edu>...
>Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL (r...@xs2.xs4all.nl) wrote:
>
>: Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>: feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>: be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>: about that.]
>
[snip]
>Simon
Would you my listing some of your favorites for the above two works?
Thank you,
J. Doster
David J. Delamater
Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL <r...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>about that.]
>
>Amsterdam
I haven't noticed too many chamber works mentioned in this thread --
somewhat to my surprise. I feel compelled to mention Beethoven's Middle
and Late quartets, Mozart's Haydn quartets and quintets, and Schubert's
last four quartets and his string quintet. I never get tired of hearing
a new version that I'm not already familiar with.
Dave DeLamater
djde...@mailbox.syr.edu
Simon Roberts
: Simon Roberts wrote in message <6oair3$ofg$3...@netnews.upenn.edu>...
: >
: >My main obsessions are Monteverdi's Vespers, Bach's B minor mass . . .
: [snip]
: >Simon
: Would you my listing some of your favorites for the above two works?
Not at all (and not in any particular order):
Monteverdi: Savall, Bernius, Jacobs, Junghaenel, Gardiner II, Harnoncourt,
Juergens, Pearlman. (Would probably take Savall or Jacobs if
I could only have one.)
Bach: Brueggen, Eby, Jacobs, Hengelbrock, Rifkin, Schreier I, Max,
Harnoncourt I, Gardiner, Coates. (Don't know which I would take if
it could only be one -- Brueggen or Eby, probably.)
Simon
Deryk Barker
:
: Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
: feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
: be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
: about that.]
Oh dear.....
Beethoven: Symphonies, particularly 3-9. I have lost count of my
Eroicas but it was around 110 at last count. Piano sonatas, especially
from Op.53ish onwards, late quartets.
Bruckner: Symphonies 0-9
Mahler: Symphonies 1-10, Das Lied.
Brahms: Symphonies, Concertos.
Nielsen: Symphonies.
Sibelius: Symphonies.
With the possible exception of Bruckner 0, I have at least 4
recordings of every one of the above.
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Matthew B. Tepper
the unwashed masses:
>
>My list includes the following:
>
>Dvorak Cello Concerto - 28 recordings (my favorite piece)
Perhaps you could answer a question for me. I've been trying to track
down all recordings of this by Rostropovich (yup, I've got the live one
with Szell, too), and I've wound up with three CDs of it conducted by
Boris Khaikin. The orchestra names are all different, and so are the
recording dates on the two which have them:
Monitor MCD 72090: Moscow Radio Orchestra, no date given (b/w Saint-
Saëns Concerto #1, Stolyarov/Moscow Radio Orchestra)
Russian Disc RD CD 11 114: USSR Symphony Orchestra, 5 October 1963
(b/w Brahms Double Concerto with Boris Gutnikov, violin, same concert?)
Revelation RV10088: Grand Symphony Orchestra of State Radio and
Television, 10 July 1957 (b/w Strauss: Don Quixote, Kondrashin/Moscow
State Philharmonic, 12 March 1964)
Any ideas?
Matthew B. Tepper
peter...@aol.com spake unto the unwashed masses:
>
>Beethoven "Eroica" - 34 recordings as of today, but I want to beat
>that 36 recordings of the Berlioz Requiem so tomorrow I'm going out
>and buying 3 more:)
Mnnahhhh.
Tansal
>Beethoven: Symphonies, particularly 3-9. I have lost count of my
>Eroicas but it was around 110 at last count. Piano sonatas, especially
>from Op.53ish onwards, late quartets.
Pardon me, I'm all for collecting, but what does one do with 110
recordings of the Eroica? I mean, it would take months to listen to
them all. Are they all valuable? Or was this some sort of task to
buy all available versions? How many do you have of the other
Beethoven Symphonies, I'm curious?
Brendan R. Wehrung
John Wilson (j...@earthlink.net) writes:
> On 12 Jul 1998 13:13:06 GMT, r...@xs2.xs4all.nl (Roland van Gaalen -
> Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
>
>>
>>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>>about that.]
>>
>
>
> Bach: Organ works, b minor mass
> Mozart: Don Giovanni, Figaro, Flute, late symphonies, piano concertos
> 17 on.
> Haydn: Paris and London symphonies, Creation, Seasons, late 6 masses
> Beethoven: 9 symphonies, Fidelio, Missa, piano concertos 4/5, Violin
> concerto
> Schubert: "Great" C Major Symphony, Symphony 5, Trout
> Mendelssohn: Symphonies 3,4,5, Elijah, Octet
> Schumann: Symphonies 1-4
> Wagner: Tannhauser thru Parsifal
> Bruckner: Symphonies 3, 5,6,8,9
> Mahler: All the symphonies except #1 but including the completions of
> the 10th
> Tchaikovsky: Pathetique
> Shostakovich: Symphonies 5, 7,8, 10
> Bartok: Concerto for Orch., Music for Strings
>
> This list is way toooo long. But, I really do love each of these works
> so much that I want to hear different interpretations. God forbid
> that I should ever have to choose a "desert island" version.
>
> John
>
>
New thread: how to be able to afford the obsession above.
Brendan
John Wilson
<vkatN...@math.chalmers.se> wrote:
>John Wilson wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Jul 1998 13:13:06 GMT, r...@xs2.xs4all.nl (Roland van Gaalen -
>> Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>> >feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>> >be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>> >about that.]
>> >
>>
>> My obsessions are:
>>
>[snip]
>> Brahms: Symphonies 1,2,3, Piano concertos, Violin Concerto, Haydn
> ^^^^^^
>
>Why not 4? Actually, of my modest Brahms collection I have two copies
>for 1,2,3 but only one for 4. :-) So maybe that's some kind of a general
>rule... Seriously, Brahms symphonies is the music I can think of having
>countless versions for (can't really explain why).
>
Actually I do have more than one version of the Brhams 4th. However,
I got most of them because they was coupled with one of the other
symphonies. I have, for reason that are unclear to me, never warmed
up the 4th. I don't dislike it. It's just that I would rather hear
one of the other three more often.
Hope this answers your question. Sorry I can't be more specific about
my feelings on the 4th symphony.
John
John Wilson
wrote:
I have only 2 "complete" recordings of the Bach organ works: Michel
Chapuis on Valois CD and Lionel Rogg on LP. I have multiple
recordings of the individual Preludes & Fugues and Fantasies & Fugues.
I got these either for the performer or the instrument used.
Hope this answers your question.
best,
John
Raymond Hall
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>about that.]
>
>Amsterdam
>
The Colin Davis Haydn "London Symphonies" Vols I and II (Philips 442 611-2
and 442 614-2).
If I got my collection burnt or stolen, would be out straight away to get
them again. If I was a millionaire I would for sure get other copies of
these!
Ray Hall : < hallr...@bigpond.com >
Paolo G. Cordone
r...@xs2.xs4all.nl (Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
> Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
> feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
> be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
> about that.]
- Vaughan Williams' symphonies
- Nikolaus Bruhns Preludium and Fugue in e-moll
- Liszt's Ad nos ad salutarem undam
Paolo
Paolo G. Cordone
ck...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Brendan R. Wehrung) wrote:
> New thread: how to be able to afford the obsession above.
>
> Brendan
Well, it is quite hard here in Europe, with full-price CDs in the £15
region. However, don't forget that many versions are available on Radio,
and caanot be bought. I have around 10 versions of Bruhns' Preludium and
Fugue in e-moll, but only two are on CD.
Actually, now that I think of it, Louis Vierne's Carillion Of Westminster
is another one I have in various interpretations.
Paolo
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Yes I have more than a dozen recordings of several works on LP and CD,
including the Brahms symphonies, the Beethoven symphonies (especially
the Eroica), Berlioz's Symphonie fantastique, Gershwin's Rhapsody in
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John Wilson
Wehrung) wrote:
>
>John Wilson (j...@earthlink.net) writes:
>> On 12 Jul 1998 13:13:06 GMT, r...@xs2.xs4all.nl (Roland van Gaalen -
>> Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>>>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
>>>be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
>>>about that.]
>>>
>>
>> My obsessions are:
>>
>> Bach: Organ works, b minor mass
>> Mozart: Don Giovanni, Figaro, Flute, late symphonies, piano concertos
>> 17 on.
>> Haydn: Paris and London symphonies, Creation, Seasons, late 6 masses
>> Beethoven: 9 symphonies, Fidelio, Missa, piano concertos 4/5, Violin
>> concerto
>> Schubert: "Great" C Major Symphony, Symphony 5, Trout
>> Mendelssohn: Symphonies 3,4,5, Elijah, Octet
>> Schumann: Symphonies 1-4
>> Brahms: Symphonies 1,2,3, Piano concertos, Violin Concerto, Haydn
>> Variations
>> Wagner: Tannhauser thru Parsifal
>> Bruckner: Symphonies 3, 5,6,8,9
>> Mahler: All the symphonies except #1 but including the completions of
>> the 10th
>> Tchaikovsky: Pathetique
>> Shostakovich: Symphonies 5, 7,8, 10
>> Bartok: Concerto for Orch., Music for Strings
>>
>> This list is way toooo long. But, I really do love each of these works
>> so much that I want to hear different interpretations. God forbid
>> that I should ever have to choose a "desert island" version.
>>
>> John
>New thread: how to be able to afford the obsession above.
>
>Brendan
Actually there could be 2 new threads: which one of your recordings
to take to the infamous desert island and as Brendan suggest how to
afford the obsession. There's a third but that's already going, how
to arrange your collection. :)
John
PS. I suppose there could be a 4th about how to get enough shelf
space to store your collection.
John Harkness
>
>
> PS. I suppose there could be a 4th about how to get enough shelf
> space to store your collection.
Three words. Cull, cull, cull
John
Lani Spahr
>
> Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
> feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it?
anything by Elgar
anything by Parry (there's no real financial danger here as there isn't
much)
anything by Stanford (see Parry above)
anything by Vaughan Williams
Bruckner Symphonies
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Deryk Barker
: dba...@camosun.bc.nospam.ca (Deryk Barker) wrote:
:
: >Beethoven: Symphonies, particularly 3-9. I have lost count of my
: >Eroicas but it was around 110 at last count. Piano sonatas, especially
: >from Op.53ish onwards, late quartets.
:
: Pardon me, I'm all for collecting, but what does one do with 110
: recordings of the Eroica? I mean, it would take months to listen to
: them all. Are they all valuable? Or was this some sort of task to
: buy all available versions? How many do you have of the other
: Beethoven Symphonies, I'm curious?
http://www.camosun.bc.ca/~dbarker/beethoven.html
'nuff said.
ah...@my-dejanews.com
Beethoven: Piano sonata # 23 "Appassionata" ---Own 33 recordings
of this thriller (not all thrilling).
Piano sonatas: #'s 8, 3, 12, 14, 32, 21, 11, and 18
Piano concerti: #'s 4 and 3
Violin sonata in A "Kreutzer"
Trio in B-flat major Op. 97 "Archduke"
Symphony #9
Rachmaninoff: Piano concerti #'s 2 and 3
Tchaikovsky: Violin concerto
Symphony #5
Scharwenka: Piano Concerto #2
Liszt: All the Hungarian Rhapsodies ('til I find the best of each!)
Chopin: Waltz #7 in C-sharp minor Op.64 #2 (still looking for a version
that gets me to my feet a-waltzing!)
And of course, my love for opera and music from different lands...
where does it stop!!!
As far as how many?... I own between 3 and 33 different recordings
of the pieces on this list.
Cheers,
Ah-Ha
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Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL wrote in message
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>Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
>feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? >
>Amsterdam
Stravinsky: Petrushka (9 recordings)
hamste...@my-dejanews.com
r...@xs2.xs4all.nl (Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
>
> Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
> be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
> about that.]
>
> Amsterdam
>
OK, here's a somewhat different question: which performances
do you find SO good that you don't ever feel inclined to buy
any other recordings of the same composition?
I can name one straightaway: Schubert's D959 by Schnabel.
Venkat
Paul Goldstein
>
> In article <6oacp2$ore$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>,
> r...@xs2.xs4all.nl (Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL) wrote:
> >
> > Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
> > feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
> > be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
> > about that.]
> >
> > Roland van Gaalen
> > Amsterdam
> >
>
> OK, here's a somewhat different question: which performances
> do you find SO good that you don't ever feel inclined to buy
> any other recordings of the same composition?
>
> I can name one straightaway: Schubert's D959 by Schnabel.
For many years I have been so well satisfied by Haitink's late-1970s
Concertgebouw recording of Bruckner 7, first on LP and then on CD, that
I never felt any need for another recording of this piece, my favorite
Bruckner symphony along with the 9th. (I heard many other versions
during this time, but none of them held the proverbial candle.) Just
last week, I saw a used copy of the much-praised Skrowaczewski recording
on Arte Nova and bought it. And I'm glad I did - all of you who have
raved about it are correct, it is a gem. Who would have thought that
the Saarbruecken Radio SO - I know, a fine provincial orchestra, but
come now! - could sound so rich and full? And having heard Skrow. many
times for many years, I never would have dreamed that he had such a
mystical, flowing, deeply felt performance in him.
Simon Roberts
: OK, here's a somewhat different question: which performances
: do you find SO good that you don't ever feel inclined to buy
: any other recordings of the same composition?
I think I had that feeling once but it went away (though I must confess
that some first acquisitions haven't been improved on; I'm not sure any
of the thirty plus Winterreises I have on CD is any better than the first
such I bought, Hagegard's).
Simon
Atoddk
C-minor piano concerto (No. 4), of all things. For a month or so, I was
listening to it at least two times per day in its entirety, and sometimes
searching out favorite subsections for out-of-context listening (e.g., about
seven minutes in, that great passage in which the pianist alternates thundering
chords in the left hand with high rolled chords in the right; the first time we
hear the big tune of the closing allegro played by the full orchestra, as well
as the big piano build-up to that).
Anyway, over time, I believe I've sampled *all* of the available versions of
this in the catalogue, and with the possible exception of Darre (in the context
of her complete set), none has ever provided a really compelling alternative to
Michele Campanella on Phillips. I know him otherwise only from some Liszt
recordings, but he certainly has the measure of this work and is ideal to
communicate its particular virtues. In the face of such a surging, vigorous,
positive reading, the competition has struck me as mostly wimpy and/or
technically inadequate. And it must be said, however "shallow" one thinks they
are, this composer's piano concerti are anything but easy to play.
So this is definitely a case where I could have stopped with the one recording
and been no worse off. But as it was the first one I heard, I guess I assumed
just anyone could make the thing sound that thrilling.
(BTW, while I moved on to other obsessions, this remains one of my favorite
piano concerti.)
Todd K
MRPERMAN
>> do you find SO good that you don't ever feel inclined to buy
>> any other recordings of the same composition?
This is a tough one, because if I like one performance that much I
instinctively assume that it's the music as much as the performance. Thus I
want to hear other recordings of the same work. For example, Monteux's LSO
Brahms 2nd may forever be my favorite, but how can I not also have Walter and
Fricsay?
Marc Perman
Snorkel Bob
: Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
: feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
: be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
: about that.]
For me, I dont think I'll be fully at ease until I have every recorded
version of:
Rimsky-Korsakov - Scheherazade
Stravinsky - Rite of Spring
Mussorgsky - Pictures
Beethoven - 9
Bizet - Carmen
Still have a long ways to go, though :)
Vandit
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: Which compositions, do you think, are so good that you have bought, or
: feel tempted to buy, many recordings of it? [For some of us, "many" may
: be three or four, and for others it may be more than ten; let's not argue
: about that.]
: Roland van Gaalen
: Amsterdam
Including the LPs (I do not listen to them anymore)
Complete non-HIP Beethoven Symphonies (5 sets + I am trying to buy
another set this week)
Beethoven Violin Concerto (5 versions)
Schumann Piano Concerto (Not that I am crazy about it but it took me 4
different performances until I found the one I liked)
Orhan Yenen
Dave Dalle
I find it interesting that for some of my favourite pieces, I am perfectly
content with having only one fabulous recording, and for other favourite
pieces, I want to hear (and maybe even own) as many different recordings
as possible.
For example:
Bach's Mass in b minor, Gardiner and only Gardiner, I can't imagine ever
needing or wanting to buy another recording.
Liszt's b minor sonata, I'd like to hear ever recording and own as many as
possible.
Dave
Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL
: >> OK, here's a somewhat different question: which performances
: >> do you find SO good that you don't ever feel inclined to buy
: >> any other recordings of the same composition?
Whenever I really like a recording, I avoid listening to it too often and
try to maintain its freshness by hearing different versions of the same
piece. In other words, I am afraid that even my favorite recording of my
favorite piece of music will lose its effect if I don't take such
preventive action. (E.g. Beethoven's Eroica: #1 = Mengelberg 1940 (live),
but other favorites -- second to none -- are Furtwangler, Koussevitzky,
Monteux.)
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
David Ahn
: Monteverdi: Savall, Bernius, Jacobs, Junghaenel, Gardiner II, Harnoncourt,
: Juergens, Pearlman. (Would probably take Savall or Jacobs if
: I could only have one.)
the monteverdi vespers is the only piece for which the number of
recordings i own numbers in the double digits (25?). anyhow, i
have a somewhat different list of favorites than simon's:
bernius
parrott
schneidt
max (although the magnificat is the six-part, and all the non-continuo
instruments have been omitted)
savall (although it's difficult to listen to much of the solo ensemble
singing because of figueras)
ledger
craft (an odd performance, admittedly)
juergens
david ahn
Opus47
This is interesting. How about this for thought for Shostakovich symphonies.
I would hate to have just:
Mravinsky only (no complete cycle)
Jarvi only (no complete cycle)
Ashkenazy only (no complete cycle)
Kondrashin only
Bernstein only (no complete cycle)
Haitink only
My love of Shostakovich is greater than any love of any one conductor. Thus I
find it disconcerting when I find more than three (of 15) symphonies
recommended by me of the same conductor.
Fred
Donald Rice
Concentus Musicus (Telefunken about 1967 - Monteverdi's 300th b'day.) I have the
cd incarnation of that performance on Teldec. I've seen other recordings (and
have Gardiner on video and Herreweghe on HMU) and heard a live performance at
Berkeley's Early Music Festival about 8 years ago but I find little difference
between these performances. To you mavens of the Vespers, what are the
differences? I love this piece of music so much that it would probably be my #1
desert island recording. It also sparked my championship of of the M
triumvirate to compete with the three B's. (The three M's are of course
Monteverdi, Mozart and Mahler.)
Don
Simon Roberts
: I date my interest in HIP from the Juergens recording with Harnoncourt's
: Concentus Musicus (Telefunken about 1967 - Monteverdi's 300th b'day.) I have the
: cd incarnation of that performance on Teldec. I've seen other recordings (and
: have Gardiner on video and Herreweghe on HMU) and heard a live performance at
: Berkeley's Early Music Festival about 8 years ago but I find little difference
: between these performances. To you mavens of the Vespers, what are the
: differences?
Do you mean you can't tell much difference among Gardiner, Herreweghe and
Juergens or between them and whatever else is out there? This could get
impossibly detailed, and I don't have time to sit down and compare all the
ones I have (including the three you mention), but at the risk of
oversimplifying and seeming patronizing, or of merely noting differences
that you hear but don't consider significant, I think the tone of the
three choirs is significantly different, the sound of Gardiner's
throughout is vastly different from the others (and every other I've
heard); the tone of the soloists is significantly different (most notably
between Gardiner's rather chilly-toned group and the other two, a
difference enhanced by the distant placement of the soloists on
Gardiner's); plus numerous differences in detail: Gardiner's conducting in
the "dixit dominus" features greater contrasts and is overall more
incisive than the others, while Jacobs' "Duo Seraphim" is slower, more
"romantic" sounding than any I've heard, featuring a gorgeous long arching
crescendo-diminuendo near the beginning of the movement. All this is from
memory, so there are doubtless many details I'm overlooking.
Simon
I love this piece of music so much that it would probably be my #1
: desert island recording. It also sparked my championship of of the M
: triumvirate to compete with the three B's. (The three M's are of course
: Monteverdi, Mozart and Mahler.)
I would expand it to four and add Mendelssohn, but I guess that's
perverse.
Simon
kun...@hilltop.ic.edu
Szell/Rostropovich Dvorak concert recording. Is that from a Cleveland
Orchestra broadcast concert? How does it compare with Szell's performances
with Fournier and Casals? Thanks,
Robert
In article <6obvhm$lsq$1...@news01.deltanet.com>,
ducky兀deltanet.com (Matthew B. Tepper) wrote:
> In article <35aa294d...@news.apk.net>, tom...@apk.net spake unto
> the unwashed masses:
> >
> >My list includes the following:
> >
> >Dvorak Cello Concerto - 28 recordings (my favorite piece)
>
> Perhaps you could answer a question for me. I've been trying to track
> down all recordings of this by Rostropovich (yup, I've got the live one
> with Szell, too), and I've wound up with three CDs of it conducted by
> Boris Khaikin. The orchestra names are all different, and so are the
> recording dates on the two which have them:
Matthew B. Tepper
>
> Can't help you on those recordings, Matthew, but I am curious about
> the live Szell/Rostropovich Dvorak concert recording. Is that from a
> Cleveland Orchestra broadcast concert? How does it compare with
> Szell's performances with Fournier and Casals? Thanks,
It compares very well, although with obvious off-the-air sound. I'm
staying late at the office, so can't look up the CD right now, but I
believe it was on the Enterprise label.
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Deryk Barker
:
: I find it interesting that for some of my favourite pieces, I am perfectly
: content with having only one fabulous recording, and for other favourite
: pieces, I want to hear (and maybe even own) as many different recordings
: as possible.
:
: For example:
: Bach's Mass in b minor, Gardiner and only Gardiner, I can't imagine ever
: needing or wanting to buy another recording.
I'm presuming you've heard others - and you still only want to listen
to Sir J? You have my deepest sympathies...
: Liszt's b minor sonata, I'd like to hear ever recording and own as many as
: possible.
I'm not sure I want to hear them all but it's certainly a collector
for me.
Donald Rice
the Vespers and of course I can hear the difference between choruses and the placement
of the soloists and the relatively minor differences in balances and execution of
trills in those three recordings I mention. Your answer was exactly what I wanted.
Then there is the matter of deciding which of the differences is preferable! :-)
Thanks for taking the time.
Don
David Ahn
: Do you mean you can't tell much difference among Gardiner, Herreweghe and
: Juergens or between them and whatever else is out there? This could get
: impossibly detailed, and I don't have time to sit down and compare all the
: ones I have (including the three you mention), but at the risk of
: oversimplifying and seeming patronizing, or of merely noting differences
: that you hear but don't consider significant, I think the tone of the
: three choirs is significantly different, the sound of Gardiner's
: throughout is vastly different from the others (and every other I've
: heard); the tone of the soloists is significantly different (most notably
: between Gardiner's rather chilly-toned group and the other two, a
: difference enhanced by the distant placement of the soloists on
: Gardiner's); plus numerous differences in detail: Gardiner's conducting in
: the "dixit dominus" features greater contrasts and is overall more
: incisive than the others, while Jacobs' "Duo Seraphim" is slower, more
: "romantic" sounding than any I've heard, featuring a gorgeous long arching
: crescendo-diminuendo near the beginning of the movement. All this is from
: memory, so there are doubtless many details I'm overlooking.
additionally, there's the issue of instrumental doublings and continuo
instruments, as well as allocation of choral parts to soloists.
herreweghe relies too heavily on the harpsichord, which sounds rather
out-of-place in this sort of music. juergens does some rather imaginative
things with colla parte instruments, but the ornamentation sometimes
goes a little wild. i'm not particularly fond of anything gardiner
does, but i think his second recording of the vespers is one of the
worst things he's done. the soloists aren't just "chilly-toned";
the tenors, at least, are downright ugly. what simon hears as incisive
in the dixit dominus, i hear as distorted. and, as usual, i find the
choral tone unpleasant.
david
rep
Mahler #4, #8
Harold in Italy
Cosi fan tutte
Nozze di Figaro
Beethoven #9
Missa Solemnis
German Requiem
Four Last Songs
Messiah
hmmmm.....they're all vocal pieces, more or less, except "Harold". But my
fave recording of Harold is the one conducted by Fischer-Dieskau, so go
figure.
Allen Watson
> hamste...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> : OK, here's a somewhat different question: which performances
> : do you find SO good that you don't ever feel inclined to buy
> : any other recordings of the same composition?
>
That idea has several sides to it. What if the recording in
question is an old monophonic one, and you hope to find a
satisfying performance in a modern stereo recording? That's
my situation regarding the Ravel piano works as recorded by
Casadesus. His performances are unmatched, but I sometimes
try a more recent recording in hopes of better sound. Alas,
even the most recorded sound does not compensate for a
mediocre performance.
Ironically enough, sometimes I don't realize what I treasure
I have until I listen to other performances. For a piece
that I like enough to listen to repeatedly, I'm always on
the lookout for another satisfying performance. Because so
many orchestras and conductors record works they are not
particularly good at, I am often disappointed.
Here are a few recorded performances that, IMHO, have not
been surpassed:
Berg: Altenberg Lieder, Beardslee, Craft
Harris: Symphony No. 3, Hanson, Eastman-Rochester
Hovhaness: Mysterious Mountain, Reiner, Chicago
Prokofiev: Symphony No. 5, Szell, Cleveland
Ravel: Tombeau de Couperin, Casadesus
Ravel: Daphnis & Chloe, Monteux, London Symphony
Schoenberg: Verklaerte Nacht, Hollywood Quartet
Strauss: Salome, Welitch, Reiner, Metropolitan Opera
Cheers!
- Allen
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David
Allen Watson wrote:
> Here are a few recorded performances that, IMHO, have not
> been surpassed:
>
> Berg: Altenberg Lieder, Beardslee, Craft
Actually, I like the Lukomska/Boulez/BBC SO recording of the Altenberg
Lieder even better (although the sunny, genial, and totally irrelevant
remake with Boulez and Jessye Norman doesn't even come close to the
sultry eroticism of Beardslee/Craft or Lukomska/Boulez). Why on earth
did Sony choose to exclude this performance (and the Seven Early Songs
with Heather Harper for that matter) from their Boulez edition? They
must have known it was my all-time favorite Berg performance.
Anybody heard the recording of the Altenberg's with Lukomska and Bour on
Astree/Auvidis?
-david gable
Christian Ohn
: OK, here's a somewhat different question: which performances
: do you find SO good that you don't ever feel inclined to buy
: any other recordings of the same composition?
Guilmant's organ sonatas, and Widor's and Vierne's organ symphonies,
played by Ben van Oosten.
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email : chohn at ulb dot ac dot be (with the obvious changes)
John Gavin
Granados- Goyescas - DeLarrocha (1963)
Albeniz - Iberia - DeLarrocha (1963)
Scriabin - Sonatas - Marc-Andre Hamelin
Ives - Concord Sonata - Hamelin
Debussy - Images I and II - Michelangeli (DGG)