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Ricky Jimenez

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May 24, 2012, 7:06:35 PM5/24/12
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Release is on May 28
I guess Hamelin will put out a complete set.

Oscar

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On May 24, 4:06 pm, Ricky Jimenez wrote:
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> Release is on May 28. I guess Hamelin will put out a complete set.

Who do you like better so far, Hamelin or Bavouzet?

SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT

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I'm collecting both sets and prefer Bavouzet. His Haydn is passionate rather
than elegant.

Henk


td

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May 25, 2012, 5:49:05 AM5/25/12
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It is impossible not to use that word where MAH is concerned. He is an
unfailingly elegant musician. The finish of his playing is one of the
marvels of piano-playing today. But Bavouzet is elegant also, just not
to the same degree.

Rather I would use the word "witty". Nobody can match MAH's sense of
comic timing in these scores. No, not even Bavouzet.

It is, of course, entirely possible to have and treasure more than one
reading of these pieces. And then there is Brendel, whose reputation
in Haydn is hardly diminished since his retirement.

TD



operafan

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May 25, 2012, 11:46:22 AM5/25/12
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On May 25, 5:49 am, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:

> Rather I would use the word "witty". Nobody can match MAH's sense of
> comic timing in these scores. No, not even Bavouzet.

Brendel, Schiff, Ax can

Steve Emerson

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May 25, 2012, 1:29:47 PM5/25/12
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Bavouzet for me. Hamelin's first Haydn, two CDs, mostly annoyed me.
Haven't heard whatever came next.

Bavouzet -- as I said once before, Vol. 3 seemed pretty rote and
uninteresting to me. But there's much more wit and vitality in the first
two volumes.

I don't agree with my friend Henk about elegance in Bavouzet. That'd be
one of the first words I'd use.

Queffelec's recent Haydn CD on Mirare, available at BRO, is more of a
delight than any of Bavouzet's. The only problem with it is that it's
mostly very familiar works.

SE.

Steve Emerson

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May 25, 2012, 1:34:17 PM5/25/12
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I don't know about his reputation, but the actual playing doesn't do
that much for me. In several cases I'd rather hear Eschenbach; to say
nothing of Levy, Backhaus, Ranki, Weissenberg, Rosen and a variety of
others. Although unfortunately most of the just-mentioned did only about
an LP's worth.

SE.

mandryka

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May 25, 2012, 2:22:12 PM5/25/12
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On May 25, 6:34 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
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Oh Steve, for goodness sake. When are you going to share this
Weissenberg LP with your friends on rmcr? One sonata is not enough.

Alan Cooper

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May 25, 2012, 4:31:20 PM5/25/12
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Somewhat more than a single LP in Ranki's case (54-62 on Hungaroton plus some
fantastic live performances). The two sonatas in Lili Kraus's "Rarissimes"
collection are in the same class as those named (all of which are among my
favorites as well). And Steve, do I infer that you're not a Kalish fan?

AC

Oscar

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May 25, 2012, 5:16:26 PM5/25/12
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Walid Akl?

basnperson

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May 25, 2012, 6:32:28 PM5/25/12
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On May 25, 5:49 am, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
how can Brendel's reputation be diminished when it is already almost
at zero??

AB

Steve Emerson

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May 25, 2012, 6:56:51 PM5/25/12
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In article <XnsA05EA811C9334am...@209.197.15.254>,
Alan Cooper <amco...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> >> It is, of course, entirely possible to have and treasure more
> >> than one reading of these pieces. And then there is Brendel,
> >> whose reputation in Haydn is hardly diminished since his
> >> retirement.
> >
> > I don't know about his reputation, but the actual playing
> > doesn't do that much for me. In several cases I'd rather hear
> > Eschenbach; to say nothing of Levy, Backhaus, Ranki,
> > Weissenberg, Rosen and a variety of others. Although
> > unfortunately most of the just-mentioned did only about an LP's
> > worth.
>
> Somewhat more than a single LP in Ranki's case (54-62 on Hungaroton plus some
> fantastic live performances). The two sonatas in Lili Kraus's "Rarissimes"
> collection are in the same class as those named (all of which are among my
> favorites as well). And Steve, do I infer that you're not a Kalish fan?

I think if you culled Kalish's set down to the best of it (and I don't
think they used the best work from his five LPs for the one commercial
CD issue) -- he'd probably be close. Which might be true for Timofeyeva
as well.

There isn't much in either of those two that approaches Queffelec and
the best of Bavouzet, IMO. (--I'm still discouraged that Bavouzet Vol. 3
is so much less than the other two and his Harmonic disc.)

Have you gotten the Queffelec yet? She isn't exactly revelatory, but her
playing is full of so many alert, small delights as to be an utter
treat. The Variations may in fact be revelatory, so thoroughly romantic
and evocative does she make them.

Re: Akl -- a good many terrific movements.

SE.

Steve Emerson

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May 25, 2012, 7:00:30 PM5/25/12
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> Oh Steve, for goodness sake. When are you going to share this
> Weissenberg LP with your friends on rmcr? One sonata is not enough.

Let's see if Maready comes through this thread. I think he might be
aware of a posted transfer someplace. O/w, I'll see what I can do.
Unlike a lot of people, I don't invest in maximum upload/download speed,
so there's some modest effort involved.

Have you heard Backhaus's few Haydn sonatas?

SE.

herman

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May 25, 2012, 11:15:15 PM5/25/12
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On 26 mai, 00:32, basnperson <abachr...@att.net> wrote:


>
> how can Brendel's reputation be diminished when it is already almost
> at zero??
>
> AB

Well, Brendel's Haydn has a very high reputation among the non-deaf.

There is also Catherine Collard who recorded three Haydn cds on Lyrinx.

mandryka

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May 26, 2012, 1:06:06 AM5/26/12
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On May 26, 12:00 am, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <45885592-34db-4120-bc21-c7cd4a4ab...@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
No, Tom put me off saying they were recorded when he was past his
prime.

I still need to upload all the Timofeyeva I found on a Russian pirate
site. Give me a couple of weeks.

H.

mandryka

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May 26, 2012, 1:17:49 AM5/26/12
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On May 25, 6:34 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
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> <64329226-c1b1-4c4c-818c-60d4bc203...@f14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
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>
>
>
>
>
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What do you think of Richter's Haydn Steve? I keep meaning to explore
it a bit more deeply, find the best performances etc. I think there
are some amazong things in there.

The best Haydn I've heard in concert is Demidenko's. He used to play
Haydn sonatas quite frequently in London in the 90s.

Miguel Montfort

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May 26, 2012, 3:41:24 AM5/26/12
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mandryka wrote:

> The best Haydn I've heard in concert is Demidenko's.
> He used to play Haydn sonatas quite frequently in
> London in the 90s.

Hear, hear! And one of the best Variations in F minor,
Hob. XVII:6 out there (available on Hyperion), too.

Miguel Montfort

td

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May 26, 2012, 7:08:34 AM5/26/12
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On May 25, 1:29 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <46e2b24e-7263-4602-aca2-214e66898...@n8g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  Oscar <oscaredwardwilliam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 24, 4:06 pm, Ricky Jimenez wrote:
>
> > > Release is on May 28. I guess Hamelin will put out a complete set.
>
> > Who do you like better so far, Hamelin or Bavouzet?
>
> Bavouzet for me. Hamelin's first Haydn, two CDs, mostly annoyed me.
> Haven't heard whatever came next.
>
> Bavouzet -- as I said once before, Vol. 3 seemed pretty rote and
> uninteresting to me. But there's much more wit and vitality in the first
> two volumes.
>
> I don't agree with my friend Henk about elegance in Bavouzet. That'd be
> one of the first words I'd use.
>
> Queffelec's recent Haydn CD on Mirare, available at BRO, is more of a
> delight than any of Bavouzet's. The only problem with it is that it's
> mostly very familiar works.

Queffelec is always super nifty, super elegant. Her stock in trade.

TD

td

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May 26, 2012, 7:11:09 AM5/26/12
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Only in your addled little brain.

You've never heard a note of his Haydn anyway, so shut up!

TD

td

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May 26, 2012, 7:15:28 AM5/26/12
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Sometimes I wonder if Backhaus ever had a "prime". Frankly I dislike
his woodn mechanical approach to piano playing. "Live" was better. But
most Backhaus strikes me as almost unmusical.

TD

td

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May 26, 2012, 7:18:51 AM5/26/12
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Correct.


> The best Haydn I've heard in concert is Demidenko's. He used to play
> Haydn sonatas quite frequently in London in the 90s.

I have abandoned my interest in Demidenko ever since he treated poor
Schubert to the Liszt Sonata treatment in a live recital.
Stylistically gauche playing. Indeed, a model of how not to play
Schubert.would his Haydn somehow be better? I doubt that very much.

TD

td

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May 26, 2012, 7:09:51 AM5/26/12
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I own that LP too. Must get it out and listen again. Not much on it,
though.

TD

td

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May 26, 2012, 7:12:54 AM5/26/12
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She is marvelous in everything, in fact. A great loss!

TD

basnperson

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May 26, 2012, 1:00:46 PM5/26/12
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> TD- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

TD- be courteous to your muscial superior:-))

BTW- I have heard Brendel's Haydn on the radio every so often . his
playing is 'adequate' as in most of his recordings, but never better
than that. Pale sound and stodgy interpretation.

AB

basnperson

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May 26, 2012, 1:12:53 PM5/26/12
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On May 25, 11:15 pm, herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 26 mai, 00:32, basnperson <abachr...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > how can Brendel's reputation be diminished when it is already almost
> > at zero??
>
> > AB
>
> Well, Brendel's Haydn has a very high reputation among the non-deaf.

well, that surely excludes you from the rest of us:-) ( and TD as
well)!

AB

basnperson

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amazing how at times you show real insight, and then you lapse into
your Bendelian hero worshiping for a pianist who was not much more
interesting than Backhaus........
why dont you explain that to your audience?..............

AB

Steve Emerson

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May 26, 2012, 3:26:12 PM5/26/12
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It's a non-factor for me, the fingers are equal to the task. The Youtube
channel Gullivior has posted about half of the record I own.
Unfortunately, not the XVII:6 Variations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gTiZgsilWA

etc.

SE.

td

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May 26, 2012, 3:38:43 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 3:26 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <8a092fff-7b12-43d8-9cb1-1b4ec7f95...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On May 26, 12:00 am, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> > > Have you heard Backhaus's few Haydn sonatas?
>
> > > SE.
>
> > No, Tom put me off saying they were recorded when he was past his
> > prime.
>
> It's a non-factor for me, the fingers are equal to the task. The Youtube
> channel Gullivior has posted about half of the record I own.
> Unfortunately, not the XVII:6 Variations.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gTiZgsilWA

That's the problem, Steve. For me there is nothing but the fingers,
from beginning to end. He was notoriously reliable, of course, also
from beginning to end, and pianists used to admire his technical
mastery enormously. But He never touches me. Not for a second, no
matter what he is playing. I just don't "get it", although there is no
question he was a "great" pianist, per se.

TD

Steve Emerson

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May 26, 2012, 3:40:38 PM5/26/12
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In article
<86f63297-d3b6-428c...@v24g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
mandryka <howie...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> > I don't know about his reputation, but the actual playing doesn't do
> > that much for me. In several cases I'd rather hear Eschenbach; to say
> > nothing of Levy, Backhaus, Ranki, Weissenberg, Rosen and a variety of
> > others. Although unfortunately most of the just-mentioned did only about
> > an LP's worth.
> >
>
> What do you think of Richter's Haydn Steve? I keep meaning to explore
> it a bit more deeply, find the best performances etc. I think there
> are some amazong things in there.

Agree. And I should have mentioned Lars Vogt, who ranges from terrific
to superlative. His XVI:37 (L50), on an all-Haydn disc, is especially
stunning. There's another sonata on a multiple-composers disc.

And speaking of "comic timing," Fazil Say has that in spades.

SE.

herman

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May 26, 2012, 3:48:18 PM5/26/12
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On 26 mai, 21:40, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <86f63297-d3b6-428c-b799-60c0605d9...@v24g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > I don't know about his reputation, but the actual playing doesn't do
> > > that much for me. In several cases I'd rather hear Eschenbach; to say
> > > nothing of Levy, Backhaus, Ranki, Weissenberg, Rosen and a variety of
> > > others. Although unfortunately most of the just-mentioned did only about
> > > an LP's worth.
>
> > What do you think of Richter's Haydn Steve? I keep meaning to explore
> > it a bit more deeply, find the best performances etc. I think  there
> > are some amazong things in there.
>
The A flat major Hob 46 on Live Classics (10.07.92) is terrific, and
most of Richter's Haydn is pretty good.

td

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May 26, 2012, 3:36:22 PM5/26/12
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> TD- be courteous to your musical superior

I might. But toads usually hug the ground, dwell in swamps and make
strange noises.


> BTW- I have heard Brendel's Haydn on the radio every so often . his
> playing is 'adequate' as in most of his recordings, but never better
> than that.  Pale sound and stodgy interpretation.

Sound? How could you tell? You're deaf?

TD

Steve Emerson

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May 26, 2012, 5:43:26 PM5/26/12
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He often shows a noteworthy sense of rhythm, also has a way of putting
things into high contrast, i.e. black, white, no grey, that can be
effective. And he isn't without ideas. So more than just fingers, for
me. Of course, his ideas aren't always good.

The M&A set of earlyish, mono Brahms recordings is salient, although at
times there's playing that I find repugnant. A lot of worthwhile work in
his Beethoven sonatas too.

All in all, a pretty frustrating musician due to the proportions of
peaks and valleys.

SE.

basnperson

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May 26, 2012, 7:13:02 PM5/26/12
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> I might. But toads usually hug the ground, dwell in swamps and make
> strange noises.

and they also mate, unlikely in your case:-)


> > BTW- I have heard Brendel's Haydn on the radio every so often .
his
> > playing is 'adequate' as in most of his recordings, but never better
> > than that.  Pale sound and stodgy interpretation.
>
> Sound? How could you tell? You're deaf?

I hear other 'toads' (lke you) and also hear that Backhaus's playing
is even less interesing than that of Brendel:-)

AB


basnperson

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May 26, 2012, 7:22:19 PM5/26/12
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> > That's the problem, Steve. For me there is nothing but the fingers,
> > from beginning to end. He was notoriously reliable, of course, also
> > from beginning to end, and pianists used to admire his technical
> > mastery enormously. But He never touches me. Not for a second, no
> > matter what he is playing.

a perfect descripiton of my reacion to Brendel... ( minus the
technical mastery)

>
> The M&A set of earlyish, mono Brahms recordings is salient, although at
> times there's playing that I find repugnant. A lot of worthwhile work in
> his Beethoven sonatas too.

"repugnent".. rather strong emotion, no? Lets save that for Lang
Lang:-)) Listen to to the Brahms cello sonatas with Fournier, nicely
done ... but I wonder if his technique is not over rated........His
earlier Trout quintet and Chopin are far from immaculate.

AB



AB
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td

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May 26, 2012, 10:37:01 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 7:22 pm, basnperson <abachr...@att.net> wrote:

> "repugnent".. rather strong emotion, no?

Your adjective, lest anyone be confused here.

Lets save that for Lang
> Lang:-))  Listen to to the Brahms cello sonatas with Fournier, nicely
> done ... but I wonder if his technique is not over rated........His
> earlier Trout quintet and Chopin are far from immaculate.

The only immaculate event in this world was the virgin birth of Jesus
Christ.

TD


John Wiser

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May 26, 2012, 11:42:02 PM5/26/12
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"td" <tomde...@mac.com> wrote:
[nemmine all dat other stuf]

>The only immaculate event in this world
> was the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.

An immaculate piece of virulent mythology.

JDW



td

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May 27, 2012, 8:23:00 AM5/27/12
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On May 26, 11:42 pm, "John Wiser" <ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:
The Bible says it's true. So, it's true.

Are you saying the Bible LIES???

Do you want half the USA to come banging at your door demanding your
head on a spit?


TD

John Wiser

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May 27, 2012, 8:57:15 AM5/27/12
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AFAIK
religious belief is a mental illness.
Theology is a wholly bogus subject
piling nonsense upon more nonsense
Appalling, the lives wasted by talented
people delving into this mass of pure codswallop.

JDW

basnperson

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May 27, 2012, 12:54:33 PM5/27/12
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watch it.........plenty of people read the Koran in the USA these
days......

AB

basnperson

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May 27, 2012, 12:56:20 PM5/27/12
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what about all the churches, synagogous, mosques, etc. that don't pay
taxes....... does not that bother you ?
AB

basnperson

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May 27, 2012, 12:53:08 PM5/27/12
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On May 26, 11:42 pm, "John Wiser" <ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:
how is it 'virulent'....... mythology it is!

AB

Alpina Lux

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May 27, 2012, 1:10:01 PM5/27/12
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On 25 Mai, 01:06, Ricky Jimenez <ricky...@bestweb.net> wrote:
> http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/product/product.asp?prod=CDA67882&...
> Release is on May 28
> I guess Hamelin will put out a complete set.

He won't, actually. This will be the last set of Haydn sonatas from
him, at least for the foreseeable future.

herman

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May 27, 2012, 1:28:19 PM5/27/12
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well, 6 cds ain't bad

basnperson

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May 27, 2012, 12:52:24 PM5/27/12
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TD, areyou drinking again, YOU are confused as usual, i deserve an
apology for once:-) l....... I did not use that word 'repugnent',
Steve E. used it a previous post, though come to think of it, the word
describes your personality perfectly, (dont' know your looks).........
I hate virgins so i wont comment on the Jesus situation:-)

AB

Matthew B. Tepper

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May 27, 2012, 2:11:46 PM5/27/12
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Alpina Lux <pianoph...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:f5dff871-f6f1-46b0-9241-f78661e3f184@
3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
Merely out of curiosity, what is your source for that information?

--
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Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.

graham

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"John Wiser" <cee...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Here is what psychologists actually say in DSM-5:

"A very strong case can be made that many of the steadfastly-
religiously-convinced are actually mentally ill. The pleasant
escape from reality that they so often indulge in is no
more than the escape psychotics experience when they seek
refuge from reality in a delusional dreamworld of imaginary
beliefs."



Kimba W Lion

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May 27, 2012, 10:04:28 PM5/27/12
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"graham" <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Here is what psychologists actually say in DSM-5:

You have a copy a year before publication?

> "A very strong case can be made that many of the steadfastly-
> religiously-convinced are actually mentally ill.

Note that is far from the same as saying that religious belief is a mental
illness.

I seem to run into as many steadfastly-convinced individuals on the atheist
side as on the religious side. Certainly they are equally evangelical; in
fact, the similarity of behaviors is enough to convince me that atheism
qualifies as a religion.

mandryka

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On May 26, 8:48 pm, herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 26 mai, 21:40, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:> In article
> > <86f63297-d3b6-428c-b799-60c0605d9...@v24g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >  mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > I don't know about his reputation, but the actual playing doesn't do
> > > > that much for me. In several cases I'd rather hear Eschenbach; to say
> > > > nothing of Levy, Backhaus, Ranki, Weissenberg, Rosen and a variety of
> > > > others. Although unfortunately most of the just-mentioned did only about
> > > > an LP's worth.
>
> > > What do you think of Richter'sHaydnSteve? I keep meaning to explore
> > > it a bit more deeply, find the best performances etc. I think  there
> > > are some amazong things in there.
>
> The A flat major Hob 46 on Live Classics (10.07.92) is terrific, and
> most of Richter'sHaydnis pretty good.

I don't have it, but I do have him playing Hob 46 on Decca, eight
years earlier than the live classics performance.

I've been listening to it and to a performance of Hob 20 from 1992.
It's interesting how serious Richter's style in Haydn is, at least in
this late period.



Alpina Lux

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On 27 Mai, 20:11, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Alpina Lux <pianophile2...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:f5dff871-f6f1-46b0-9241-f78661e3f184@
> 3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On 25 Mai, 01:06, Ricky Jimenez <ricky...@bestweb.net> wrote:
> >>http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/product/product.asp?prod=CDA67882&...
> >> Release is on May 28
> >> I guess Hamelin will put out a complete set.
>
> > He won't, actually. This will be the last set of Haydn sonatas from
> > him, at least for the foreseeable future.
>
> Merely out of curiosity, what is your source for that information?

I asked him a few weeks ago.

JohnGavin

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Jun 9, 2012, 10:38:12 AM6/9/12
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That makes sense - hasn't he really picked out all the good ones in
the 6 CDs?
(I heard all the excerpts from Volume 3 at the Hyperion site).

Matthew B. Tepper

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Alpina Lux <pianoph...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
letters to be typed in news:6e8aca58-6daa-4f9a-b10a-82229c908b94
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> On 27 Mai, 20:11, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Alpina Lux <pianophile2...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
>> following letters to be typed in news:f5dff871-f6f1-46b0-9241-
>> f78661...@3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On 25 Mai, 01:06, Ricky Jimenez <ricky...@bestweb.net> wrote:
>> >>http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/pages/product/product.asp?prod=CDA67882&
> ...
>> >> Release is on May 28
>> >> I guess Hamelin will put out a complete set.
>>
>> > He won't, actually. This will be the last set of Haydn sonatas from
>> > him, at least for the foreseeable future.
>>
>> Merely out of curiosity, what is your source for that information?
>
> I asked him a few weeks ago.

Thanks.

basnperson

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Jun 9, 2012, 11:05:34 AM6/9/12
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guess i should have my hearing checked:-)

AB

basnperson

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Jun 9, 2012, 11:08:46 AM6/9/12
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On May 27, 8:23 am, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
1/2 the popuation of the USA believe in creationism or
worse........just like TD believes that Brendel is 'great':-) Same
ignorance
AB

basnperson

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Jun 9, 2012, 11:09:51 AM6/9/12
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wow- such a cynical citizen:-)

AB

basnperson

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Jun 9, 2012, 11:03:23 AM6/9/12
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On May 26, 3:38 pm, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
> On May 26, 3:26 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <8a092fff-7b12-43d8-9cb1-1b4ec7f95...@b1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >  mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > On May 26, 12:00 am, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> > > > Have you heard Backhaus's few Haydn sonatas?
>
> > > > SE.
>
> > > No, Tom put me off saying they were recorded when he was past his
> > > prime.
>
> > It's a non-factor for me, the fingers are equal to the task. The Youtube
> > channel Gullivior has posted about half of the record I own.
> > Unfortunately, not the XVII:6 Variations.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gTiZgsilWA
>
> That's the problem, Steve. For me there is nothing but the fingers,
> from beginning to end. He was notoriously reliable, of course, also
> from beginning to end, and pianists used to admire his technical
> mastery enormously. But He never touches me. Not for a second, no
> matter what he is playing. I just don't "get it", although there is no
> question he was a "great" pianist, per se.
>
> TD- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

sounds like Brendel to me........

AB

basnperson

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Jun 9, 2012, 11:13:03 AM6/9/12
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On May 27, 10:04 pm, Kimba W Lion
<norepliesbyem...@norepliesbyemail.invalid> wrote:
if the definition of religion is to have a belief in 'something' then
you have a point!

AB

basnperson

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Jun 9, 2012, 1:23:19 PM6/9/12
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> (I heard all the excerpts from Volume 3 at the Hyperion site).- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

wonder how you feel about his playing.......... I find it a bit too un-
emotoional, a bit mechanical in the fast movements. I admire his
pianism but i really hear little beauty in his playing

AB

Kip Williams

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Jun 9, 2012, 4:19:41 PM6/9/12
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> sounds like Brendel to me........

"STELLA! STELLA!!"


Kip W

Ricky Jimenez

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Jun 9, 2012, 6:10:24 PM6/9/12
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT), JohnGavin <dag...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It seems that the only ones left are pre 1760 sonatas and some one
movement works, including one of my favorites, the G major
Sauschneider Capriccio. If I could ask him, I wonder if he will start
doing a Schubert series. There is a D960 on youtube but I don't think
it is from a commercial recording.

JohnGavin

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Jun 9, 2012, 9:19:15 PM6/9/12
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They may not be the last word in Haydn Sonatas but I enjoy his
spontaneity and sense of lightness.

td

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Jun 10, 2012, 1:19:44 AM6/10/12
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I have received Vol. III. It is impeccable playing.

TD

SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT

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Jun 10, 2012, 4:39:59 AM6/10/12
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td wrote:
> On Jun 9, 9:19 pm, JohnGavin <dagd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 9, 1:23 pm, basnperson <abachr...@att.net> wrote:
>>
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>>
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>>> On Jun 9, 10:38 am, JohnGavin <dagd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jun 9, 8:22 am, Alpina Lux <pianophile2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
Hyperion changed the cover of the Haydns. Instead of a picture of Haydn we
now have a picture of Hamelin. This change is telling. After the impeccable
and above all elegant Haydn sonatas played by Hamelin of the volumes I and
II, we now hear Hamelin playing sonatas that turn out to be Haydn's. It's
the new Hamelin (the Hamelin from his latest Liszt CD) doing his utmost to
let us hear why he believes these pieces to be so special. It has become a
fascinating set - and I am looking forward to his next CD.

The new Hamelin - with all the qualities of the old one - has become a great
musical personality.

Henk


herman

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Jun 10, 2012, 5:40:15 AM6/10/12
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On 10 juin, 10:39, "HvT" <hvtuijl- SPAM- @xs4all.nl> wrote:


> Hyperion changed the cover of the Haydns. Instead of a picture of Haydn we
> now have a picture of Hamelin. This change is telling.

This may just be a reflection of the sad fact that Haydn doesn't sell.
He is regarded as a program appetizer, not the main dish.

In a string quartet recital you put a Haydn quartet as the opening
piece and then do Beethoven or Bartok.

If you'd program an all Haydn night, fifty people would show up.
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