Re: A Chopin 3rd sonata like no other!

[Andy Evans]

On Sunday, 2 May 2021 at 02:09:50 UTC+1, dan.... wrote:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwqniycpaxpezj6/A%20Chopin%203rd%20Sonata%20Like%20No%20Other.mp3?dl=0
> > Enjoy! > dk

You'll find both Rosenthal and Igumnov playing the Sonata 3 on Youtube. Hofmann only recorded the first movement. Not sure if there are any other "Golden Age" pianists with recordings available. Just a bit different though not sure if they're "like no other". Igumnov is nice, despite some wrong notes. He also recorded Kreisleriana. Lovely pianist.

[Andy Evans]

Sorry to be a bit in the potato field here, but who's playing?

[JohnGavin]

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:27:37 PM UTC-4, Andy Evans wrote:
> Sorry to be a bit in the potato field here, but who's playing?

I’ll guess that it’s a Russian pianist. I’m probably off, but my guess is that the name ends with ‘ov’😀.

I think my tastes in Chopin interpreters leans more towards the less hyper-romantic, caressing and coddling each phrase type of player. At least as much classic straightforwardness as romantic rubato-laden. For the deep-toned, projected to the last row approach, Gilels’ somewhat more reserved performance is as far as I go.

[JohnGavin]

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:49:32 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> I said it was "like no other". I did not say I liked it! ;-)
> In fact I like Zhukov's better.
>
> dk

OK. Got it.

I’ll have to check out Zhukov’s recording. I love his Beethoven op. 110 and Rachmaninov Barcarolle.

[HT]

Op zondag 2 mei 2021 om 21:49:32 UTC+2 schreef dan....@gmail.com:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:42:43 PM UTC-4, JohnGavin wrote:

> I said it was "like no other". I did not say I liked it! ;-)
> In fact I like Zhukov's better.
>
> dk

Phew! Trust restored.

BTW, Dershavina's Stanchinsky is very good. Bought her CD. Thanks!

Henk

[JohnGavin]

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:59:55 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:04:19 PM UTC-4, JohnGavin wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:49:32 PM UTC-4, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I said it was "like no other". I did not say I liked it! ;-)
> > > In fact I like Zhukov's better.
> >

> > OK. Got it.
> >
> > I’ll have to check out Zhukov’s recording. I love his
> > Beethoven op. 110 and Rachmaninov Barcarolle.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMeqaxs5UwI&t=1s
>
> dk

I listened to Zhukov. He is in a class by himself. When the first movement began I was taken aback by the sadness and resignation that began from the very start. I’ve never heard it done quite like this, but his absolute sincerity made the playing beyond criticism. It’s a riveting performance, utterly unique and great and completely convincing - a tragic take from beginning to end.

[JohnGavin]

Also, another less important point - his handling of inner voices throughout is masterful.

[Steve Emerson]

There are two Zhukov recordings. I've always preferred the earlier one (Melodiya, ca. 1980, vinyl only) though haven't heard the 1997 in a long time. If you can deal with FLAC (lossless) files, you can download the Melodiya here:

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/wbj9vy9zyjgzg/Zhukov+Chopin+&+Schumann+Melodiya

Choose "zip" version if tar compression poses problems. This may be somewhere on Youtube, don't know. A lot of people have heard (and liked) my LP transfer. Among them, ADGO, who posted the later one, and who used to post here also. DK's preference, at least long ago, was for the later one.

SE.

[Mandryka]

I’ve not listened to Dan’s uploads yet - thanks for them, and I’m looking forward to hearing them.

But I wanted to say that I’ve really started to enjoy Samson Francois’s recording of the third sonata.

[HT]

Op maandag 3 mei 2021 om 17:10:08 UTC+2 schreef Steve Emerson:

Dear Steve,

Many thanks for the downloads. The sound is excellent. Good to hear that you liked Gerstein's TEs.

Kind regards,
Henk

[Frank Lekens]

Op 2-5-2021 om 23:01 schreef Dan Koren:
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:

>> dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 2. Mai 2021 um 21:49:32 UTC+2:
>>
>>> I said it was "like no other". I did not say I liked it! ;-)
>>> In fact I like Zhukov's better.
>>

>> I had the feeling you didn't like it. Probably too dirge-like?
>
> I liked some parts and did not like others as much. It
> sounds a little too heavy handed and "heroic" for my
> taste. I like/expect more nuance and subtlety.
>
> dk
>
So who's playing?

--
Frank Lekens

http://fmlekens.home.xs4all.nl/
https://franklekens.blogspot.nl/

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:20:46 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:40:48 AM UTC-4, Frank Lekens wrote:
> > Op 2-5-2021 om 23:01 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > >> dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 2. Mai 2021 um 21:49:32 UTC+2:
> > >>
> > >>> I said it was "like no other". I did not say I liked it! ;-)
> > >>> In fact I like Zhukov's better.
> > >>
> > >> I had the feeling you didn't like it. Probably too dirge-like?
> > >
> > > I liked some parts and did not like others as much. It
> > > sounds a little too heavy handed and "heroic" for my
> > > taste. I like/expect more nuance and subtlety.
> >

> > So who's playing?
> >
>
> Sokolov. Mid 1990s.
>
> dk

Interesting, for me, it was for the first time that I was convinced by his playing.


YM

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:16:24 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 2:24:45 PM UTC-4, yoshi.muku...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:20:46 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:40:48 AM UTC-4, Frank Lekens wrote:
> > > > Op 2-5-2021 om 23:01 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > > > >> dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 2. Mai 2021 um 21:49:32 UTC+2:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I said it was "like no other". I did not say I liked it! ;-)
> > > > >>> In fact I like Zhukov's better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I had the feeling you didn't like it. Probably too dirge-like?
> > > > >
> > > > > I liked some parts and did not like others as much. It
> > > > > sounds a little too heavy handed and "heroic" for my
> > > > > taste. I like/expect more nuance and subtlety.
> > > >
> > > > So who's playing?
> > >
> > > Sokolov. Mid 1990s.
> >

> > Interesting, for me, it was for the first time that I was convinced by his playing.

> Does this one convince you?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n53Zkd__F5c
>
> dk

I agree that he is a good pianist. And, yes. I am convinced by his playing of this
Saint-Saëns concerto, but if I would be asked whether or not I like his playing,
I do reply, "No, I don't like any of his playing".


YM

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:34:28 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:29:38 AM UTC-4, yoshi.muku...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:16:24 AM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 2:24:45 PM UTC-4, yoshi.muku...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:20:46 PM UTC+1, dan....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 6:40:48 AM UTC-4, Frank Lekens wrote:
> > > > > > Op 2-5-2021 om 23:01 schreef Dan Koren:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-4, Marc S wrote:
> > > > > > >> dan....@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 2. Mai 2021 um 21:49:32 UTC+2:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> I said it was "like no other". I did not say I liked it! ;-)
> > > > > > >>> In fact I like Zhukov's better.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I had the feeling you didn't like it. Probably too dirge-like?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I liked some parts and did not like others as much. It
> > > > > > > sounds a little too heavy handed and "heroic" for my
> > > > > > > taste. I like/expect more nuance and subtlety.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So who's playing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sokolov. Mid 1990s.
> > > >
> > > > Interesting, for me, it was for the first time that I was convinced by his playing.
> > > Does this one convince you?
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n53Zkd__F5c
> >

> > I agree that he is a good pianist. And, yes. I am convinced by
> > his playing of this Saint-Saëns concerto, but if I would be
> > asked whether or not I like his playing, I do reply, "No, I
> > don't like any of his playing".
> >

> Interesting. Why? This sounds like a blanket assessment,
> rather than one based on individual performances. Can
> you elaborate? No musician performs everything equally
> well, or all the time. Which Sokolov performances do you
> dislike? Which ones do you like?
>
> dk

Dan, I am not here to argue (or discuss) on my personal tastes.
I don't like Sokolov generally (all his recent DGs and medici.tv
web-streams). For the 3rd Chopin sonata, I accepted his taste,
not I liked his playing. In case of Saint-Saëns, the conditions
and situation are similar.


YM

[Owen]

Um.....we are all here to argue and discuss our personal tastes...

-Owen

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

Clearly, I have never been such and I am never be such; nonesuch (nieko tokio;
in Lithuanian language). That's why I was in r.m.c. and helped Henry Fogel.


YM

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

All for politics and for reconcililation, which latter credo was stolen by
Hélène Grimaud in this century in her cheap 911 compensation fashion
shows.


YM

[Frank Berger]

YM is a weird dude, Owen, but I think we have to take him at his word here.

[Yoshiyuki Mukudai]

Oh, really? Ron Paul's name was only valid on CNN London, I remember.


YM

[Frank Berger]

???

[Owen]

We all discuss classical music and whether we like something or not,
which is our "personal tastes." There are no universal absolutes as to
whether a performance is good or not, in everyone's eyes, so anything in
that realm that we have to contribute, can only be our personal tastes.

-Owen