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Schubert's "complete" D.840 Sonata "Reliquie"
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Dufus
Mar 21, 2012, 8:40:27 AM3/21/12
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Here pianist Ray Lev rather romps thru Schubert's C major, D.840
"Reliquie" Sonata, No.15 . I was not aware this unfinished sonata had
been finished by Krenek,Badura-Skoda,Rehberg, others. Lev plays the
high-spirited Krenek completion :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9QuO0v4zhk
It would not appear any of the current Amazon-US listings are of the "
complete " Sonata. Is there such a cd ? Thanks !
Dufus
"Reliquie" Sonata, No.15 . I was not aware this unfinished sonata had
been finished by Krenek,Badura-Skoda,Rehberg, others. Lev plays the
high-spirited Krenek completion :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9QuO0v4zhk
It would not appear any of the current Amazon-US listings are of the "
complete " Sonata. Is there such a cd ? Thanks !
Dufus
Juan I. Cahis
Mar 21, 2012, 9:30:38 AM3/21/12
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Dear friends:
Yes, search for "Schubert Todd Crow" on Amazon-US, without the quotes, and
then click on "Schubert and his circle". You will get Brian Newbould
completion, an outstanding one and very well played.
--
Enviado desde mi iPad, Juan I. Cahis, Santiago de Chile.
then click on "Schubert and his circle". You will get Brian Newbould
completion, an outstanding one and very well played.
--
Enviado desde mi iPad, Juan I. Cahis, Santiago de Chile.
Russ (not Martha)
Mar 21, 2012, 11:03:28 AM3/21/12
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On Mar 21, 7:40 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here pianist Ray Lev rather romps thru Schubert's C major, D.840
> "Reliquie" Sonata, No.15 . I was not aware this unfinished sonata had
> been finished by Krenek,Badura-Skoda,Rehberg, others. Lev plays the
> high-spirited Krenek completion :
>
I did a completion of D.840 myself, years ago. Tacked on a huge
> Here pianist Ray Lev rather romps thru Schubert's C major, D.840
> "Reliquie" Sonata, No.15 . I was not aware this unfinished sonata had
> been finished by Krenek,Badura-Skoda,Rehberg, others. Lev plays the
> high-spirited Krenek completion :
>
development section for the finale.
Unfortunately I can't play the thing, wrists way too stiff to handle
those descending cascades of chords in the 3rd & 4th bars of the main
theme. Maybe one day I'll record it in slo-mo and let the computer
goose the tempo up for me.
Despite its status as a torso, the sonata works very well as a two-
movt structure (as in Beethoven Opp 54, 78, 90, 111), since both movts
are in the same key.
Russ (not Martha)
Dufus
Mar 21, 2012, 11:28:38 AM3/21/12
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>On Mar 21, 8:30 am, Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBAS...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Yes, search for "Schubert Todd Crow" on Amazon-US
Thanks ! And I also see Crow has on Amazon-US a cd of the complete
> Yes, search for "Schubert Todd Crow" on Amazon-US
Berlioz-Liszt "Symphonie Fantastique" transcription for solo piano, at
a very cheap price used.
Dufus
basnperson
Mar 21, 2012, 1:16:48 PM3/21/12
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AB
Dufus
Mar 21, 2012, 2:12:36 PM3/21/12
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You're giving away your age, Arri, as you would need to be at least 53
or so :
From Wiki :
" Ray Lev (May 8, 1912 – May 20, 1968) was an American classical
pianist. One year after her birth in Rostov na Donau, Russia, her
father, a synagogue cantor, and mother, a concert singer, brought her
to the United States.[1]
[edit]Life
Lev’s early piano studies were with Waiter Ruel Cowles in New Haven,
Connecticut and Gaston Déthier in New York.[1] She made her debut at
age 17 in England performing Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 under
Sir Landon Ronald. After winning the American Matthay Prize and the
Philharmonic Symphony Scholarship, she studied with Tobias Matthay in
England from 1930 to 1933.[2] Thereafter, Lev returned to the United
States, where she made her New York debut in 1934 with the National
Orchestral Association. Her annual recitals in Carnegie Hall were
generally sold out; she also toured successfully in Europe, the United
States, and Canada and performed on radio network broadcasts. In one
such Carnegie Hall recital, on November 10, 1944, Lev gave the first
complete traversal ever presented in that venue of the Six Pieces, op.
118 of Johannes Brahms.[3] Lev also was a champion of modern works.
For instance, in November 1945, again at Carnegie Hall, she gave the
premiere of Louise Talma's Alleluia in Form of a Toccata[4] and of 24-
year-old Douglas Townsend's Sonatina No. 1, which she repeated in a
March 31, 1946 recital at New York Times Hall broadcast live over WNYC.
[5] A November 1948 Carnegie Hall recital included the Hora movement
from the 1937 Chassidic Suite of Jakob Schönberg.[6]
Lev gave two command performances in London, England, performed for US
President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and earned seven citations for
patriotic service by extensively performing for US and allied armed
forces during World War II. In 1948, however, she took a step that
would negate any benefit from these public-spirited activities and
that effectively would put an end to the progress of her career: she
joined 31 other American musicians, artists, and writers in signing an
open letter of solidarity with twelve Russian writers who had called
for fellow Communists to declare themselves publicly.[7] As a result,
in 1950 she had the dubious distinction of being the sole classical
pianist named in the Red Channels list of alleged communist
sympathizers during the American Red Scare. Little information about
her appears thereafter, and her name is largely forgotten today,
although one reference suggests that she continued playing throughout
her remaining life, including nearly annual Carnegie Hall recitals,
and performed the Schumann Piano Concerto in April 1968, a month
before her death.[8] Some support for the former claim can be found in
the Fall 1958 Juilliard Review, which indicates that on April 8 of
that year she performed the premiere of Toccata for Piano by Juilliard
alumnus Wallingford Riegger at Carnegie Hall.[9] Presumably, however,
she became primarily a teacher; her students include Aki Takahashi[10]
and the currently active American pianist Miriam Brickman.[5]
[edit]Recordings
In a 78 RPM set released by Musicraft Records in early 1939, Lev and
clarinettist David Weber collaborated in the first recording of the
Brahms Sonata in F minor, op. 120 no. 1, in its original
instrumentation for clarinet and piano.[11] After World War II, Lev
began making phonograph records for the Concert Hall Society label,[1]
issued first on 78 RPM disks and then on LPs. She set down some
adventurous literature for the day, including Schubert’s Piano Sonata
in C Major, D. 840 (Reliquie) with the completion by Ernst Krenek,[12]
probably otherwise represented on records in this form only by the
slightly later performance of Friedrich Wührer on Vox. Her recording
has not appeared on compact disc, although Wührer's has received a
private CD release copied from LP. Lev’s records that have achieved CD
reissue include her 1946 account of Bach’s Concerto No. 5 in D minor
after Vivaldi’s op. 3, no. 11, BWV 596, in her own transcription, and
a waltz by Sergei Prokofiev, no. 2 from his Music for Children, op. 65.
[2]"
or so :
From Wiki :
" Ray Lev (May 8, 1912 – May 20, 1968) was an American classical
pianist. One year after her birth in Rostov na Donau, Russia, her
father, a synagogue cantor, and mother, a concert singer, brought her
to the United States.[1]
[edit]Life
Lev’s early piano studies were with Waiter Ruel Cowles in New Haven,
Connecticut and Gaston Déthier in New York.[1] She made her debut at
age 17 in England performing Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 under
Sir Landon Ronald. After winning the American Matthay Prize and the
Philharmonic Symphony Scholarship, she studied with Tobias Matthay in
England from 1930 to 1933.[2] Thereafter, Lev returned to the United
States, where she made her New York debut in 1934 with the National
Orchestral Association. Her annual recitals in Carnegie Hall were
generally sold out; she also toured successfully in Europe, the United
States, and Canada and performed on radio network broadcasts. In one
such Carnegie Hall recital, on November 10, 1944, Lev gave the first
complete traversal ever presented in that venue of the Six Pieces, op.
118 of Johannes Brahms.[3] Lev also was a champion of modern works.
For instance, in November 1945, again at Carnegie Hall, she gave the
premiere of Louise Talma's Alleluia in Form of a Toccata[4] and of 24-
year-old Douglas Townsend's Sonatina No. 1, which she repeated in a
March 31, 1946 recital at New York Times Hall broadcast live over WNYC.
[5] A November 1948 Carnegie Hall recital included the Hora movement
from the 1937 Chassidic Suite of Jakob Schönberg.[6]
Lev gave two command performances in London, England, performed for US
President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and earned seven citations for
patriotic service by extensively performing for US and allied armed
forces during World War II. In 1948, however, she took a step that
would negate any benefit from these public-spirited activities and
that effectively would put an end to the progress of her career: she
joined 31 other American musicians, artists, and writers in signing an
open letter of solidarity with twelve Russian writers who had called
for fellow Communists to declare themselves publicly.[7] As a result,
in 1950 she had the dubious distinction of being the sole classical
pianist named in the Red Channels list of alleged communist
sympathizers during the American Red Scare. Little information about
her appears thereafter, and her name is largely forgotten today,
although one reference suggests that she continued playing throughout
her remaining life, including nearly annual Carnegie Hall recitals,
and performed the Schumann Piano Concerto in April 1968, a month
before her death.[8] Some support for the former claim can be found in
the Fall 1958 Juilliard Review, which indicates that on April 8 of
that year she performed the premiere of Toccata for Piano by Juilliard
alumnus Wallingford Riegger at Carnegie Hall.[9] Presumably, however,
she became primarily a teacher; her students include Aki Takahashi[10]
and the currently active American pianist Miriam Brickman.[5]
[edit]Recordings
In a 78 RPM set released by Musicraft Records in early 1939, Lev and
clarinettist David Weber collaborated in the first recording of the
Brahms Sonata in F minor, op. 120 no. 1, in its original
instrumentation for clarinet and piano.[11] After World War II, Lev
began making phonograph records for the Concert Hall Society label,[1]
issued first on 78 RPM disks and then on LPs. She set down some
adventurous literature for the day, including Schubert’s Piano Sonata
in C Major, D. 840 (Reliquie) with the completion by Ernst Krenek,[12]
probably otherwise represented on records in this form only by the
slightly later performance of Friedrich Wührer on Vox. Her recording
has not appeared on compact disc, although Wührer's has received a
private CD release copied from LP. Lev’s records that have achieved CD
reissue include her 1946 account of Bach’s Concerto No. 5 in D minor
after Vivaldi’s op. 3, no. 11, BWV 596, in her own transcription, and
a waltz by Sergei Prokofiev, no. 2 from his Music for Children, op. 65.
[2]"
Juan I. Cahis
Mar 21, 2012, 2:34:57 PM3/21/12
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for "Schubert Knauer" without the quotes, and then click on "Sonata Oubliée
D.916B". This Sonata was discovered in the same manuscript lot of the Tenth
Symphony, and it is the very last one composed (or sketched) by Schubert.
The score was edited by Jörg Demus, and Knauer's recording is the first
ever made of it.
Recommended.
Juan I. Cahis
Mar 21, 2012, 2:34:57 PM3/21/12
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Dear Russ & friends:
I think that the two movements performances and recordings are not the best
idea for this Sonata. If any person don't like "completions", this Sonata
can be performed very well in a sort of four movements version, playing the
fragments of the Scherzo and Finale as Schubert left them. Sviatoslav
Richter often played it in this way, and he did two recordings with the
fragments.
The missing bars in the Scherzo are so few that if you hear S. Richter
recordings, probably, you will not notice them. The Finale, of course, ends
abruptly. But that is better than the two movements recordings.
idea for this Sonata. If any person don't like "completions", this Sonata
can be performed very well in a sort of four movements version, playing the
fragments of the Scherzo and Finale as Schubert left them. Sviatoslav
Richter often played it in this way, and he did two recordings with the
fragments.
The missing bars in the Scherzo are so few that if you hear S. Richter
recordings, probably, you will not notice them. The Finale, of course, ends
abruptly. But that is better than the two movements recordings.
basnperson
Mar 21, 2012, 4:31:24 PM3/21/12
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AB
td
Mar 21, 2012, 5:13:43 PM3/21/12
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TD
Russ (not Martha)
Mar 21, 2012, 11:21:42 PM3/21/12
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On Mar 21, 1:34 pm, Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBAS...@attglobal.net>
wrote:
> Dear Russ & friends:
Since the missing bars, as you say, are just that, who can say how
many or how few there would have been?. My guess is that the Scherzo
(actually Menuetto) would have been a movt of substantial size since
the MS breaks off just as Schubert is providing a rhythmic variation
of the main theme in A major (half step up from the main tonality).
Getting back home might take a while. If Schubert had continued with
the movt, there surely would have been considerably more development
before winding matters up. As for the trio, it is very short, and the
composer may have despaired of reconciling the dimensions of the
menuetto.
I've monkeyed with this sonata for years, and am considering expanding
the trio a bit just for the hell of it.
Russ (not Martha)
wrote:
> Dear Russ & friends:
many or how few there would have been?. My guess is that the Scherzo
(actually Menuetto) would have been a movt of substantial size since
the MS breaks off just as Schubert is providing a rhythmic variation
of the main theme in A major (half step up from the main tonality).
Getting back home might take a while. If Schubert had continued with
the movt, there surely would have been considerably more development
before winding matters up. As for the trio, it is very short, and the
composer may have despaired of reconciling the dimensions of the
menuetto.
I've monkeyed with this sonata for years, and am considering expanding
the trio a bit just for the hell of it.
Russ (not Martha)
richard...@gmail.com
Mar 21, 2012, 11:38:58 PM3/21/12
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completions where needed. I have looked for it for years, in any
format, but have never found it nor have I heard it. Has any one here
done so?
Juan I. Cahis
Mar 22, 2012, 9:03:12 PM3/22/12
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Dear Richard & friends:
"richard...@gmail.com" <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 8:40 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here pianist Ray Lev rather romps thru Schubert's C major, D.840
>> "Reliquie" Sonata, No.15 . I was not aware this unfinished sonata had
>> been finished by Krenek,Badura-Skoda,Rehberg, others. Lev plays the
>> high-spirited Krenek completion :
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?vùQuO0v4zhk
terms of D.840, the completion I like most is Newbould's.
"richard...@gmail.com" <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 8:40 am, Dufus <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here pianist Ray Lev rather romps thru Schubert's C major, D.840
>> "Reliquie" Sonata, No.15 . I was not aware this unfinished sonata had
>> been finished by Krenek,Badura-Skoda,Rehberg, others. Lev plays the
>> high-spirited Krenek completion :
>>
>>
>> It would not appear any of the current Amazon-US listings are of the "
>> complete " Sonata. Is there such a cd ? Thanks !
>>
>> Dufus
>
> Tirimo recorded a set for EMI of all the Schubert sonatas, including
> completions where needed. I have looked for it for years, in any
> format, but have never found it nor have I heard it. Has any one here
> done so?
Yes, I have the Tirimo and also the Badura-Skoda complete sets, but in
>> It would not appear any of the current Amazon-US listings are of the "
>> complete " Sonata. Is there such a cd ? Thanks !
>>
>> Dufus
>
> Tirimo recorded a set for EMI of all the Schubert sonatas, including
> completions where needed. I have looked for it for years, in any
> format, but have never found it nor have I heard it. Has any one here
> done so?
terms of D.840, the completion I like most is Newbould's.
Dufus
Mar 31, 2012, 10:00:23 PM3/31/12
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>On Mar 21, 8:30 am, Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBAS...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> You will get Brian Newbould
> completion, an outstanding one and very well played.
Newbould tells how he does it : http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01dtx5s#synopsis
> You will get Brian Newbould
> completion, an outstanding one and very well played.
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