Splitting a flac file
CharlesSmith
into separate tracks? I have flac frontend, foobar2000 and audacity on
my PC, and could do it manually, but there must be a simpler way,
mustn't there?
Thanks in advance.
Charles
hiker_rs
I use Medieval Cue Splitter.
Rich
Dil
Burrrn (Yes, three Rs)
It's free, splits both FLAC and APE files direct from associated CUE
sheets, and is very easy to use.
Dil.
mr rapidan
I'll second Medieval Cue Splitter. It's freeware:
http://www.medieval.it/cuesplitter-pc/menu-id-71.html
mandryka
The propblem with Medieval Cue Splitter is that it doesn't allow you
to edit the tags before splitting.
I use it too, but I was hoping there is a more powerful alternative.
Bob Harper
I'd like to ask the same question for Mac users. Any suggestions?
TIA.
Bob Harper
CharlesSmith
small and simple application. It's tag editing is minimal, but that
doesn't bother me because I perfer to continue using my present tag
editor (Stamp ID3). I had a problem on my test split because Cue
Splitter rejected the Cue file, and I had to visit wiki to understand
and then edit the contents. The INDEX 00 timings weren't consistent
with the standard, and I'm puzzled why not, since the file was
obviously generated automatically.
The recommendation for Burrrn came while I was sorting out the Cue
file, and I haven't tried it. It looks, from the website, to be a more
sophisticated beast.
Charles
Steve de Mena
Yes, XLD. Also great at converting/transcoding between formats.
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=XLD
Steve
Bob Harper
Thanks. I've got it but hadn't thought to try it with the file I want
to split.
Bob Harper
M forever
CharlesSmith
I've had a private email response to my query, pointing out that
foobar will do the job. You have to load the cue file into foobar. (I
had tried earlier but had been loading the flac file).
Charles
Dave Cook
> The propblem with Medieval Cue Splitter is that it doesn't allow you
> to edit the tags before splitting.
The cue file is a text file. Why not just edit the cue file with your
favorite text editor?
Dave Cook
matka59
There is a simple tool running on wintel called CueTools.
Wiki http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=CueTools.
Interestingly enough, the article mentions that Foobar2000 does not
preserve all gaps properly. This tool seems to support "WAV, FLAC,
APE, LossyWAV, WavPack and ALAC ".
I'm a linux user and have not used this particular tool, but it seems
very similar to linux tool, simple and powerfull, and it is free.
George
matka59
There is a simple tool running on wintel called CueTools.
Dil
> The recommendation for Burrrn came while I was sorting out the Cue
> file, and I haven't tried it. It looks, from the website, to be a more
> sophisticated beast.
>
> Charles
I haven't bothered to look at the Burrrn website, but the program is
one of the simplest I've used (and I've tried many). Three clicks is
all it takes to go from CUE/FLAC/APE to a burning disc.
Dil.
Dave Cook
> I'm a linux user and have not used this particular tool, but it seems
> very similar to linux tool, simple and powerfull, and it is free.
On Linux there is shntools and cuetag.
Dave Cook
CharlesSmith
I meant that Burrrn is more sophisticated than Cue Splitter in the
sense that it has more features and options (Cue Splitter does nothing
except split files). I didn't intend to imply that Burrrn was
complicated.
Charles
CharlesSmith
>
> Interestingly enough, the article mentions that Foobar2000 does not
> preserve all gaps properly.
>
> George
I've just done a test, splitting a flac file using cue splitter and
foobar, and they do treat gaps differently. If the cue file defines,
for example, a pregap of 5 seconds before track 2, then cue splitter
discards those 5 seconds - ie each new track is as the original
without gaps. Foobar on the other hand retains those 5 seconds within
track 1.
I don't know which you would define as doing it 'properly'. If you are
burning a disc you might use cue splitter, but then you would have to
define the gaps again in your burn process. Foobar effectively ignores
the pregap data, but for my case, where I'm splitting a file in order
to save a multi-movement work in separate tracks for playing from my
computer, then foobar is doing what I want. If I played track 1 and
then 2 from cue splitter I would lose 5 seconds of the original CD.
Charles
Bob S
> The propblem with Medieval Cue Splitter is that it doesn't allow you
> to edit the tags before splitting.
>
> I use it too, but I was hoping there is a more powerful alternative.
A question of mine lead to a thread on this subject a few
years ago. See here:
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.recordings/browse_thread/thread/97a119d16aaa0bf5/26153779df049116?hl=en&q=pristine+cue+group:rec.music.classical.recordings#26153779df049116>
I believe that as a result Andrew Rose also expanded the
discussion of cue sheets on the Pristine Classical web site.
I took a quick look just now and couldn't find what I was
thinking of at Pristine, but I think that the thread cited
above should be sufficient to get you going.
--
Bob S.
matka59
Wiki "For example, foobar2000 loses disc pre-gap information when
converting an album image, and doesn't support gaps appended
(noncompliant) CUE sheets."
Quite opposite of what you say.
As far as the "proper" way of doing things is concerned, I think one
would have to go back to the original CD, an opera for example or
symphonic work, rip it into 1 flac with cue and then split it and
possibly burn a cd from it. In my own rips, I have never had an issue
with gaps and my software (slimserver) plays it perfectly , original
gaps (or lack of them) are preserved, however the story is not always
the same with downloads. I'm suspecting people either manipulate the
gaps to suit their needs or software is doing that , I also came
across few posts when people insist that the only 'proper' way of
listening to ripped classical music is via 1 large flac file and a
cue, which is total nonsense.
Obviously, you will use what suits you. Since I have not used cue
splitter in windows, I will do some tests and possibly report back.
Dave Cook
> across few posts when people insist that the only 'proper' way of
> listening to ripped classical music is via 1 large flac file and a
> cue, which is total nonsense.
One reason they might think so is that the cue (if correctly produced)
has the pre-emphasis flag. One can then apply de-emphasis on the fly.
There's a guy on the Squeezebox forums who has info on doing it this
way.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70256
I always split to FLACS because then I can use my custom tags with
each FLAC. If de-emphasis is needed, I apply it permanently to the
files on disk with sox. (There doesn't seem to be a way to get the
Squeezebox to output the pre-emphasis flag as part of the digital
stream, and not all DACs support de-emphasis anyway).
Dave Cook
CharlesSmith
> On Mar 17, 5:48 pm, CharlesSmith <sigma.onl...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 17, 2:14 pm, matka59 <matk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Interestingly enough, the article mentions that Foobar2000 does not
> > > preserve all gaps properly.
>
> > > George
>
> > I've just done a test, splitting a flac file using cue splitter and
> > foobar, and they do treat gaps differently. If the cue file defines,
> > for example, a pregap of 5 seconds before track 2, then cue splitter
> > discards those 5 seconds - ie each new track is as the original
> > without gaps. Foobar on the other hand retains those 5 seconds within
> > track 1.
>
> > I don't know which you would define as doing it 'properly'. If you are
> > burning a disc you might use cue splitter, but then you would have to
> > define the gaps again in your burn process. Foobar effectively ignores
> > the pregap data, but for my case, where I'm splitting a file in order
> > to save a multi-movement work in separate tracks for playing from my
> > computer, then foobar is doing what I want. If I played track 1 and
> > then 2 from cue splitter I would lose 5 seconds of the original CD.
>
> > Charles
>
> Wiki "For example, foobar2000 loses disc pre-gap information when
> converting an album image, and doesn't support gaps appended
> (noncompliant) CUE sheets."
> Quite opposite of what you say.
>
The consequence is that the pre-gap time is appended to the previous
track.
Charles
matka59
By append do you mean added to track time ? i.e. track 01 is 2 minutes
and the gape before track 02 is 5 seconds so the track 01 becomes 2
minutes 5 seconds in length ?
George
Dumbarton Oaks
Foobar it works very good!!
Pablo.
CharlesSmith
Yes