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The Historian

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I ordered an early Naxos recording simply because of the reviews
mentioning the cadenzas were in a "jazz or blues" style:

http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Cello-Concertos-Boccherini-Concerto/dp/B000QQUVR0/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350275207&sr=301-1

Kremer's first recording of the Beethoven Concerto, with Marriner and
the ASMF, was notorious for a modernistic cadenza:

http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Violin-Concerto-Gidon-Kremer/dp/B004RRW4HO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350275511&sr=8-1&keywords=kremer+beethoven+concertos

And there's a budget recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto 21,
allegedly played by Tomsic, featuring a first movement cadenza that
quotes the opening of Mozart's Piano Concerto 20.

Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
just strange cadenzas?

R. Edwards

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Oct 15, 2012, 1:39:34 AM10/15/12
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The cadenza for Bach's d-minor concerto for two violins by Josef Hellmesberger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3EtokwYZ_E

Oscar

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On Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:40:14 PM, The Historian wrote:
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> Kremer's first recording of the Beethoven Concerto, with Marriner and
> the ASMF, was notorious for a modernistic cadenza.

Schnittke's. Great recording.



John Wiser

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Lionel Tertis's movement-in-itself confection
for Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante,. K. 364.

Erno Dohnanyi's for Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 17,
just a bit too Rachmaninovian for the task..

Again Kremer: He used a complete original composition by Max Reger,
the Prelude in D minor, Op. 117, No. 6, as a cadenza to the Brahms
concerto.

JDW

The Historian

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On Oct 15, 2:37 am, "John Wiser" <ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "The Historian" <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:71179162-7c6a-420b...@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
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> >I ordered an early Naxos recording simply because of the reviews
> > mentioning the cadenzas were in a "jazz or blues" style:
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> >http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Cello-Concertos-Boccherini-Concerto/dp/B0...
>
> > Kremer's first recording of the Beethoven Concerto, with Marriner and
> > the ASMF, was notorious for a modernistic cadenza:
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Violin-Concerto-Gidon-Kremer/dp/B004R...
>
> > And there's a budget recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto 21,
> > allegedly played by Tomsic, featuring a first movement cadenza that
> > quotes the opening of Mozart's Piano Concerto 20.
>
> > Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
> > just strange cadenzas?
>
> Lionel Tertis's movement-in-itself confection
> for Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante,. K. 364.
>
> Erno Dohnanyi's for Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 17,
> just a bit too Rachmaninovian for the task..
>
> Again Kremer: He used a complete original composition by Max Reger,
> the Prelude in D minor, Op. 117, No. 6, as a cadenza to the Brahms
> concerto.
>
> JDW

Schnabel's cadenza for Mozart's Piano Concerto 24.

Johannes Roehl

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Oct 15, 2012, 3:57:09 AM10/15/12
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and Gould's for Beethoven #1

(Beethoven's for Beethoven #2 is also a candidate...)


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Fazil Say's cadenza in a recording of Beethoven PC3 on YT.
Alkan's cadenza in Mozart PC20 also on YT.

Henk


Dufus

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Oct 15, 2012, 7:28:32 AM10/15/12
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>On Oct 14, 11:40 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:

While not per se, Ponti playing the composer's two alternate 1st mov.
cadenzas back to back in the Rach 3.

Angelotti

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Oct 15, 2012, 7:45:14 AM10/15/12
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excessive? Maybe. A matter of taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn3BDpX3QPg&playnext=1&list=PL92548777C5C67636&feature=results_main

Donizetti Lucia di Lammermoor, at the end of "Ardon gl'incensi", a cadenza created by Mathilde Marchesi Nellie Melba.

Hvdlinden

Dufus

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Oct 15, 2012, 8:01:46 AM10/15/12
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>On Oct 14, 11:40 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:

This one for the 3rd mov. of the Mozart 3rd Violin Concerto, by one
Gilles Apap, may take a prize :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHTtES2qLhM&feature=related

wkasimer

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On Oct 15, 12:40 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com>
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> Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
> just strange cadenzas?

The cadenza that Britten wrote for the Haydn C major cello concerto,
as recorded by Rostropovich.

Bill

The Historian

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I agree. And I like the cadenza.

Ward Hardman

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On Oct 14, 9:40 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> And there's a budget recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto 21,
> allegedly played by Tomsic, featuring a first movement cadenza that
> quotes the opening of Mozart's Piano Concerto 20.
>
> Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
> just strange cadenzas?

To stick with Mozart, how about Saint-Saens' cadenza to Mozart PC24,
played by Casadesus with Szell/Cleveland and by (IIRC) Grant
Johannesen on an ancient MMS 10" LP)?

--Ward Hardman

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Mark Stratford

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How about the cadenzas Stockhausen wrote for Haydn Trumpet Cto and
Mozart G maj Flue Cto ?

Mark Stratford,. London

Dufus

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>On Oct 15, 7:36 am, Mark Stratford <mark_stratfor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> How about the cadenzas Stockhausen wrote for Haydn Trumpet Cto and
> Mozart G maj Flue Cto ?


This one ? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHXgXJlpCIY

Do listen to the Mozart Vico # 3 link earlier in this thread !

Edward Cowan

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Oct 15, 2012, 11:00:18 AM10/15/12
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I seem to recall a Saint-Saens cadenza in Artur Rubinstein's recording
of the LvB Pf. Con. no. 4 with Beecham (BMG/RCA 09026 63009-2, vol. 9 of
RCA/s Rubinstein Edition). --E.A.C.
--
hrabanus

JohnGavin

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Oct 15, 2012, 11:38:37 AM10/15/12
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An outrageous non-concerto cadenza -- Marc-Andre Hamelin's cadenza for Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody #2.

For those who haven't heard it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMzL2-4bjg

The Historian

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On Oct 15, 8:57 am, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de> wrote:
> Am 15.10.2012 08:44, schrieb The Historian:
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> > On Oct 15, 2:37 am, "John Wiser" <ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "The Historian" <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:71179162-7c6a-420b...@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> I ordered an early Naxos recording simply because of the reviews
> >>> mentioning the cadenzas were in a "jazz or blues" style:
>
> >>>http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Cello-Concertos-Boccherini-Concerto/dp/B0...
>
> >>> Kremer's first recording of the Beethoven Concerto, with Marriner and
> >>> the ASMF, was notorious for a modernistic cadenza:
>
> >>>http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Violin-Concerto-Gidon-Kremer/dp/B004R...
>
> >>> And there's a budget recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto 21,
> >>> allegedly played by Tomsic, featuring a first movement cadenza that
> >>> quotes the opening of Mozart's Piano Concerto 20.
>
> >>> Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
> >>> just strange cadenzas?
>
> >> Lionel Tertis's movement-in-itself confection
> >> for Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante,. K. 364.
>
> >> Erno Dohnanyi's for Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 17,
> >> just a bit too Rachmaninovian for the task..
>
> >> Again Kremer: He used a complete original composition by Max Reger,
> >> the Prelude in D minor, Op. 117, No. 6, as a cadenza to the Brahms
> >> concerto.
>
> >> JDW
>
> > Schnabel's cadenza for Mozart's Piano Concerto 24.
>
> and Gould's for Beethoven #1
>
> (Beethoven's for Beethoven #2 is also a candidate...)

What you getting at about Beehovens for PC2?

What do you think of Schnooderwoerd's very short one for PC 2? I seem
to remember he says that that's what would have been expected. If you
don't know the Schnooderwoerd it's well worth catching.

The worst cadenzas I know are Edwin Fischer's for Mozart. I like what
Schanbel does with the cadenzas for Mozart which emotionally seems to
fit his way of playing the concertos.

Johannes Roehl

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Am 15.10.2012 19:41, schrieb mandryka:
> On Oct 15, 8:57 am, Johannes Roehl <parrhe...@web.de> wrote:

>> (Beethoven's for Beethoven #2 is also a candidate...)
>
> What you getting at about Beehovens for PC2?

That the by now standard cadenza was written in 1809 or so, about 15
years after the concerto itself and it does not fit all that well
stylistically to the rest, although it is a great piece, of course.

I also think that the cadenza for the 1st mvmt. of the violin concerto
Schneiderhan adopted from Beethoven's cadenza for the piano version is
too long, especially considering the length of this movement.
A particularly outrageous account can be found in Kremer's recording
with Harnoncourt where a piano joins the violin in the cadenza (in
addition to the usual timpani).

> What do you think of Schnooderwoerd's very short one for PC 2? I seem
> to remember he says that that's what would have been expected. If you
> don't know the Schnooderwoerd it's well worth catching.

I don't know the Schoonderwoerd

> The worst cadenzas I know are Edwin Fischer's for Mozart.

I don't remember anything wrong with them, but I would have to relisten
to refresh any impressions.

mandryka

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I'm getting completely mixed up here. I meant Schoonderwoerd in PC 1.
I always get confused like that because Op 15 is I think a later
concerto than Op 19 (is that right?)

Gould seemed to have a thing for PC 2 -- or at least he seemed to
leave a lot of recordings of it. That only added to my confusion!

In fact I rarely listen to Op 19, I've never really managed to get
into it.

Let me know what you think of Fischer's Mozart cadenzas of you get a
chance, some people really like them.

Matthew B. Tepper

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> I ordered an early Naxos recording simply because of the reviews
> mentioning the cadenzas were in a "jazz or blues" style:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Cello-Concertos-Boccherini-Concerto/dp/B000QQ
> UVR0/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350275207&sr=301-1
>
> Kremer's first recording of the Beethoven Concerto, with Marriner and
> the ASMF, was notorious for a modernistic cadenza:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Violin-Concerto-Gidon-Kremer/dp/B004RRW4H
> O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350275511&sr=8-1&keywords=kremer+beethoven+conc
> ertos

Yes, by Schnittke; the Fanfare reviewer compared it with being slapped in
the face, or something like that.

> And there's a budget recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto 21,
> allegedly played by Tomsic, featuring a first movement cadenza that
> quotes the opening of Mozart's Piano Concerto 20.
>
> Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
> just strange cadenzas?

Schnabel's for the two minor-key Mozart concerti, conducted by Susskind;
they are rather wayward harmonically, to say the least.

Alkan wrote a gigantic cadenza for the Beethoven PC #3, first movement;
Hamelin recorded a solo piano version of this movement containing it.

Beethoven wrote a cadenza for his Op. 61a, the piano version of the Violin
Concerto, which is perfectly normal until the solo timpani come in. Many
recordings of this, including Mustonen, Barenboim self-conducted, and Peter
Serkin with Ozawa. Wolfgang Schneiderhan transcribed it back for violin.

An Armenian composer -- Arutunian? -- wrote a trumpet concerto with a
cadenza which quotes from other trumpet music, including the rooster crow
from Rimsky's "Zolotoy petushok."

Rachmaninoff's Edison acoustic(s) of Liszt's HR #2 has an amazing cadenza
in which the tonal center keeps dropping away until it's practically in the
Bagatelle Without Tonality neighborhood.

And what would a comment from me be like without some self-aggrandizement?
Years ago in undergraduate, I tried working up the Haydn D Major Concerto,
hoping to perform it on my college's Neupert harpsichord. Since I only had
occasional access to that monster, I also working on it at the upright in
my apartment, and wound up with a ridiculous cadenza with hand-crossings,
double trills, and at the end, figurations tossed between the top B and the
bottommost A (implying a dominant ninth chord).

And just so it isn't all about me, I recall reading that Jon Kimura Parker,
an admitted Trekkie, has worked bits of Alexander Courage's "Star Trek"
theme into a cadenza, perhaps for a Mozart concerto, in live performance.

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Dufus

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>On Oct 15, 12:41 pm, mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Matsuev's jazz take on the Liszt 2nd Rhapsody , about 7:45 in :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCfDSiQBsqA

Bob Harper

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Not outrageous (at least I don't think so), but I quite like Kempff's
cadenzas for the Beethoven 4th PC.

Bob Harper

Kip Williams

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Dufus wrote, On 10/15/12 8:23 PM:
>> On Oct 15, 12:41 pm, mandryka <howie.st...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Matsuev's jazz take on the Liszt 2nd Rhapsody , about 7:45 in :
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCfDSiQBsqA

And for something a little bit unexpected, Matsuev picks up an accordion
and faces off for some Libertango (I don't know the Piazolla well enough
to know if they're playing his music; just going from the title of the
video).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VgXSepjIwc&feature=related

Also: Cameron Carpenter lets loose on a trio of little Casio keyboards
(I used to have one like that middle one, as near as I can tell). He's
so happy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE_ttzWwgUg


Kip W

Matthew B. Tepper

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> Not outrageous (at least I don't think so), but I quite like Kempff's
> cadenzas for the Beethoven 4th PC.

I forgot to mention Brahms' for the same concerto; it contains a reference
(spelled out in the score, so you couldn't miss it if you tried) to the
famous B-A-C-H motif. There you have it; the Three Bs, together.

The Historian

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On Oct 15, 8:14 am, Ward Hardman <ward.hard...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 9:40 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > And there's a budget recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto 21,
> > allegedly played by Tomsic, featuring a first movement cadenza that
> > quotes the opening of Mozart's Piano Concerto 20.
>
> > Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
> > just strange cadenzas?
>
> To stick with Mozart, how about Saint-Saens' cadenza to Mozart PC24,
> played by Casadesus with Szell/Cleveland and by (IIRC) Grant
> Johannesen on an ancient MMS 10" LP)?
>
> --Ward Hardman

More Mozart. On the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum website, amid the
many good and sane free recordings, is A Far Cry's take on K. 239, the
Serenata Notturna. In the third movement the cadenzas wanders from
Mozart to some faux-Kreisler to the third movement of Rimsky's
Scheherazade.

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Somehow it's easier for me to listen to Matsuev's HR2 than to Hamelin's -
and not because of the cadenza. Hamelin's performances of the great
romantics are seldom electrifying.

Henk


Simon Smith

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>> Not outrageous (at least I don't think so), but I quite like Kempff's
>> cadenzas for the Beethoven 4th PC.
>
> I forgot to mention Brahms' for the same concerto; it contains a reference
> (spelled out in the score, so you couldn't miss it if you tried) to the
> famous B-A-C-H motif. There you have it; the Three Bs, together.

Medtner wrote a pretty juicy one for that concerto too. (I performed it
once, much to the distress of most.) I love the Brahms one too.
Beethoven 4 seems to have attracted more interesting cadenzas than most.

Simon

Andrej Kluge

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Hi,

The Historian wrote:
> Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
> just strange cadenzas?

Christian Zacharias' Mozart piano concerto cadenzas used to be "special". In
K.537 I he used a synthesizer (with a Glockenspiel-like interlude), in K.466
(the d minor) III, the opening accord from the Don Giovanni overture appears
(from some historical opera recording), and in K.595 he played the melody of
"Sehnsucht nach dem Frühling" (K.596), IIRC.

Ciao
AK

The Historian

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> > Not outrageous (at least I don't think so), but I quite like Kempff's
> > cadenzas for the Beethoven 4th PC.
>
> I forgot to mention Brahms' for the same concerto; it contains a reference
> (spelled out in the score, so you couldn't miss it if you tried) to the
> famous B-A-C-H motif.  There you have it; the Three Bs, together.

Idil Biret recorded all of Brahms' cadenzas for other composers'
concertos as part of her "Complete Brahms Piano Music" on Naxos.

http://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Waltzes-piano-Song-Transcriptions/dp/B00000148L/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350450471&sr=8-1&keywords=biret+brahms+cadenza

I see he wrote cadenzas for not only Beethoven 4, but Beethoven 3,
Mozart 17, 20, and 24, and the Bach d minor. Has anyone other than
Biret recorded any of them either as part of a concerto recording or
'standing alone?'

The Historian

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> The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed innews:71179162-7c6a-420b...@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com:
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> > I ordered an early Naxos recording simply because of the reviews
> > mentioning the cadenzas were in a "jazz or blues" style:
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Cello-Concertos-Boccherini-Concerto/dp/B0...
> > UVR0/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350275207&sr=301-1
>
> > Kremer's first recording of the Beethoven Concerto, with Marriner and
> > the ASMF, was notorious for a modernistic cadenza:
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Violin-Concerto-Gidon-Kremer/dp/B004R...
> > O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350275511&sr=8-1&keywords=kremer+beethoven+conc
> > ertos
>
> Yes, by Schnittke; the Fanfare reviewer compared it with being slapped in
> the face, or something like that.

I recall the Penguin Guide author gasping in horror - "imitations of
electronic music" or words to that effect.,

> > And there's a budget recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto 21,
> > allegedly played by Tomsic, featuring a first movement cadenza that
> > quotes the opening of Mozart's Piano Concerto 20.
>
> > Any other suggestions of excessive, stylistically out of period, or
> > just strange cadenzas?
>
> Schnabel's for the two minor-key Mozart concerti, conducted by Susskind;
> they are rather wayward harmonically, to say the least.

Hmm. I just listened to the Mozart K. 466 and it uses Beethoven''s
cadenzas. I agree with you about K. 491, although I like the cadenza.

> Alkan wrote a gigantic cadenza for the Beethoven PC #3, first movement;
> Hamelin recorded a solo piano version of this movement containing it.
>
> Beethoven wrote a cadenza for his Op. 61a, the piano version of the Violin
> Concerto, which is perfectly normal until the solo timpani come in.  Many
> recordings of this, including Mustonen, Barenboim self-conducted, and Peter
> Serkin with Ozawa.  Wolfgang Schneiderhan transcribed it back for violin.
>
> An Armenian composer -- Arutunian? -- wrote a trumpet concerto with a
> cadenza which quotes from other trumpet music, including the rooster crow
> from Rimsky's "Zolotoy petushok."
>
> Rachmaninoff's Edison acoustic(s) of Liszt's HR #2 has an amazing cadenza
> in which the tonal center keeps dropping away until it's practically in the
> Bagatelle Without Tonality neighborhood.
>
> And what would a comment from me be like without some self-aggrandizement?
> Years ago in undergraduate, I tried working up the Haydn D Major Concerto,
> hoping to perform it on my college's Neupert harpsichord.  Since I only had
> occasional access to that monster, I also working on it at the upright in
> my apartment, and wound up with a ridiculous cadenza with hand-crossings,
> double trills, and at the end, figurations tossed between the top B and the
> bottommost A (implying a dominant ninth chord).
>
> And just so it isn't all about me, I recall reading that Jon Kimura Parker,
> an admitted Trekkie, has worked bits of Alexander Courage's "Star Trek"
> theme into a cadenza, perhaps for a Mozart concerto, in live performance.

Hmm. I wish Parker had indulged in something like that during his CBC
recording of three Mozart concertos (K. 467 and the two and three
piano works).
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laraine

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Oct 20, 2012, 9:44:25 AM10/20/12
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That was the first recording of the Beethoven
VC that I ever heard, and I recall thinking
that maybe Beethoven had gone quite far in
modernity, maybe a bit too much.

Live and learn.

C.

laraine

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Oct 20, 2012, 10:00:39 AM10/20/12
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On Oct 15, 3:28 pm, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy @earthlink.net> wrote:

> And what would a comment from me be like without some self-aggrandizement?
> Years ago in undergraduate, I tried working up the Haydn D Major Concerto,
> hoping to perform it on my college's Neupert harpsichord.  Since I only had
> occasional access to that monster, I also working on it at the upright in
> my apartment, and wound up with a ridiculous cadenza with hand-crossings,
> double trills, and at the end, figurations tossed between the top B and the
> bottommost A (implying a dominant ninth chord).
>

I've dealt with this Haydn Concerto before
too. I originally had a Schirmer (ed. Ganz)
score, which included rather intense
19th-c.-style cadenzas by Ganz.

Wasn't satisfied, so searched some more.
There was an edition that had short cadenzas
said to be by Haydn that really didn't sound
too bad, but I finally found some that I
liked more in the Henle urtext.

Henle in the preface seems to claim that the
cadenzas attributed to Haydn were not by him(?)-

"Movements 1 and 2 call for cadenzas. The
various contemporary (and certainly not Haydn's)
cadenzas found in several sources as handwritten
addenda are reproduced in the appendix to
the Walter-Wackernagel volume."

The cadenzas that I liked, included in the Henle
edition, sound 18th-century, and were written
by Sonja Gerlach.

As far as harpsichord performances --certainly
the 3rd mov't seems harpsichordish.

C.

laraine

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Oct 25, 2012, 9:35:48 PM10/25/12
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Actually, I see now that I heard the one
with Harnoncourt, where that cadenza is
taken from the Beethoven piano
transcription.

Something sounded odd about it,
though.

The Kremer/Schnittke is on YT.

C.

The Historian

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On Oct 14, 11:40 pm, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@gmail.com>
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> I ordered an early Naxos recording simply because of the reviews
> mentioning the cadenzas were in a "jazz or blues" style:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-Cello-Concertos-Boccherini-Concerto/dp/B0...

This arrived, and turned out to be a pleasant surprise. It's a very
early Naxos recording, but the sound is better than the usual boxy
acoustic of their late 1980s Eastern European productions. The two
Haydn concertos feature brisk tempos, committed playing, and a soloist
who is more than up to the task. And yes, the cadenzas in the Haydn
concertos are bluesy, with some slides that would have probably
horrified the composer. This is now one of my favorite recordings of
the Haydn Cello Concertos on modern instruments,
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