Anyone got any opinions on the best recording of Kreisleriana by Schumann?
Has anyone heard the Sokolov performance on Opus 111? How is it?
Sound quality is very important to me, so please include this in your
assessment.
Ta,
Si
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I'm not usually a Horowitz fan, but his _Kreisleriana_ is terrific.
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Horowitz' 1968 recording on CBSony is still the standard by which
all others are judged.
dk
I am a big fan of Schumann's solo piano music and was wondering if there
are any other "standards by which all others are judged." Suggestions?
Pete
Symphonische Etueden Op. 13 Sviatoslav Richter, Vladimir Sofronitsky
Sonata Op. 11 Emil Gilels
Sonata Op. 14 Vladimir Horowitz
Sonata Op. 22 Lazar Berman
Carnaval Vladimir Sofronitsky, Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
Carneval de Vienne Op. 26 Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
Toccata Op. 7 Sviatoslav Richter
Waldszenen Op. 82 Wilhelm Kempff, Igor Zhukov
piano concerto Op. 54 Dinu Lipatti, Martha Argerich, ABM
Abegg Variations Op. 1 Evgeny Kissin
Papillons Op. 2 Sviatoslav Richter, Wilhelm Kempff
Nachtstuecke Op. 23 Emil Gilels, Sviatoslav Richter
Humoreske Op. 20 Sviatoslav Richter, Vladimir Horowitz
Bunte Blaetter Op. 99 Yuri Egorov
Kinderszenen Op. 15 Vladimir Horowitz <flame-proof suit on>
Blumenstueck Op. 19 Vladimir Horowitz
Arabeske Op. 18 Vladimir Horowitz
Fantasie Op. 17 Vladimir Sofronitsky
Just my 0.02 cents...
Peter Lemken
Berlin
>In article <53ikah$h...@gosset.maths.tcd.ie> sis...@maths.tcd.ie (Simon Stroughair) writes:
>>
>>Anyone got any opinions on the best recording of Kreisleriana by Schumann?
>Horowitz' 1968 recording on CBSony is still the standard by which
>all others are judged.
Definitely agree. Though, some of VH's rethinking in various sections
of his later DG recording are interesting.
John Blair
Yes, there are:
Davidsbuendlertaenze: Gieseking
Toccata: Gilels, Lhevinne, Richter
Carnaval: Michelangeli, Rachmaninov, Sofronitsky
Sonata in f#: Gilels, Sofronitsky
Fantasiestuecke: Richter, Rubinstein
Etudes Symphoniques: Cortot, Nat, Richter
Sonata in f: Horowitz
Kinderszenen: Argerich, Moravec
Kreisleriana: Horowitz
Fantasy: Bashkirov, Richter
Humoreske: Nat, Richter
Sonata in g: Argerich, Richter
Piano Quintet: Rubinstein, Schnabel
Waldszenen: Richter
Buente Blaetter: Bashkirov, Richter
dk
I have to disagree with some of your choices, and also to correct a few
omissions:
>Symphonische Etueden Op. 13 Sviatoslav Richter, Vladimir Sofronitsky
>Sonata Op. 11 Emil Gilels
Sofronitsky?
>Sonata Op. 14 Vladimir Horowitz
>Sonata Op. 22 Lazar Berman
No, I think Richter is *much* better.
>Carnaval Vladimir Sofronitsky, Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
And Rachmaninov
>Carneval de Vienne Op. 26 Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
And Richter - it's a very close call :-)
>Toccata Op. 7 Sviatoslav Richter
Gilels' 1934 recording is quite as good! And don't forget Lhevinne!
>Waldszenen Op. 82 Wilhelm Kempff, Igor Zhukov
No, I have to say no one even comes close to Richter here.
>piano concerto Op. 54 Dinu Lipatti, Martha Argerich, ABM
I no longer feel Lipatti and Martha can be mentioned in the same
breath with ABM.
>Abegg Variations Op. 1 Evgeny Kissin
No, Richter. Kissin doesn't come close, though he was obviously
influenced by Richter.
>Papillons Op. 2 Sviatoslav Richter, Wilhelm Kempff
No, Lhevinne!
>Nachtstuecke Op. 23 Emil Gilels, Sviatoslav Richter
>Humoreske Op. 20 Sviatoslav Richter, Vladimir Horowitz
And Yves Nat.
>Bunte Blaetter Op. 99 Yuri Egorov
No, Richter is *way* better.
>Kinderszenen Op. 15 Vladimir Horowitz <flame-proof suit on>
Not necessarily - I like VH in Kinderszenen - and I would add Moravec
and Argerich.
>Blumenstueck Op. 19 Vladimir Horowitz
>Arabeske Op. 18 Vladimir Horowitz
>Fantasie Op. 17 Vladimir Sofronitsky
I would certainly add Richter and Bashkirov. And maybe even Edwin Fischer.
dk
PS. I'm glad you didn't mention Clara Haskil or Rudolf Perahia. :-)
I agree with all of the above with the exception of replacing
Sofronitsky with Pollini.
K. Attwood
>In article <84503481...@msn-015.b-1.msn.eunet.de> Peter Lemken <Ple...@bln.de> writes:
>I have to disagree with some of your choices, and also to correct a few
>omissions:
(much deletion...)
>>Kinderszenen Op. 15 Vladimir Horowitz <flame-proof suit on>
>Not necessarily - I like VH in Kinderszenen - and I would add Moravec
>and Argerich.
After listening to Horowitz play this, no one, not even Argerich,
comes close in really understanding this piece. (The same would also
apply to her coupling, Kreisleriana, on DG.) OK, I haven't heard the
Moravec, but indeed, it's fascinating to compare the different
Horowitz accounts of Kinderszenen. He had such affection for this
music! It's hard to take other accounts in consideration.
John Blair
: Symphonische Etueden Op. 13 Sviatoslav Richter, Vladimir Sofronitsky
: Sonata Op. 11 Emil Gilels
: Sonata Op. 14 Vladimir Horowitz
: Sonata Op. 22 Lazar Berman
: Carnaval Vladimir Sofronitsky, Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
: Carneval de Vienne Op. 26 Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
: Toccata Op. 7 Sviatoslav Richter
: Waldszenen Op. 82 Wilhelm Kempff, Igor Zhukov
: piano concerto Op. 54 Dinu Lipatti, Martha Argerich, ABM
: Abegg Variations Op. 1 Evgeny Kissin
: Papillons Op. 2 Sviatoslav Richter, Wilhelm Kempff
: Nachtstuecke Op. 23 Emil Gilels, Sviatoslav Richter
: Humoreske Op. 20 Sviatoslav Richter, Vladimir Horowitz
: Bunte Blaetter Op. 99 Yuri Egorov
: Kinderszenen Op. 15 Vladimir Horowitz <flame-proof suit on>
: Blumenstueck Op. 19 Vladimir Horowitz
: Arabeske Op. 18 Vladimir Horowitz
: Fantasie Op. 17 Vladimir Sofronitsky
: Just my 0.02 cents...
: Peter Lemken
: Berlin
For the Kinderszenen op.15 I would rather think of Curzon and Haskil than
of Horowitz.
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Except for the fact that Pollini never played the Carnaval.....
Peter Lemken
Berlin
Agreed and blame taken
>
>>Sonata Op. 14 Vladimir Horowitz
>>Sonata Op. 22 Lazar Berman
>
>No, I think Richter is *much* better.
I don't agree, but we leave that open to discussion.
>
>>Carnaval Vladimir Sofronitsky, Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
>
>And Rachmaninov
Aaaaargh! How could I forget this one! <Slap>
>
>>Carneval de Vienne Op. 26 Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli
>
>And Richter - it's a very close call :-)
Indeed.
>
>>Toccata Op. 7 Sviatoslav Richter
>
>Gilels' 1934 recording is quite as good! And don't forget Lhevinne!
Yes, but Richter's live recording outshines them all in terms of ferocity,
dynamic extremes and vigour. I stick to that one.
>
>>Waldszenen Op. 82 Wilhelm Kempff, Igor Zhukov
>
>No, I have to say no one even comes close to Richter here.
We leave that to discussion. I still believe that Kempff's piano sound in that
DG recording is unsurpassed. Those mild and yet prominent bass lines still makes
my skin crawl for the sheer beauty of sound. In Zhukov's recording I am particularly
attracted to the unpretentious and very modest approach, actually quite close to
Richter's rendition.
>
>>piano concerto Op. 54 Dinu Lipatti, Martha Argerich, ABM
>
>I no longer feel Lipatti and Martha can be mentioned in the same
>breath with ABM.
We leave that to discussion again. I feel particularly attracted by Lipatti's
approach to the finale. Some of ABM's recording sound too haste to please my taste.
>
>>Abegg Variations Op. 1 Evgeny Kissin
>
>No, Richter. Kissin doesn't come close, though he was obviously
>influenced by Richter.
Maybe, but that probably is a matter of taste.
>
>>Papillons Op. 2 Sviatoslav Richter, Wilhelm Kempff
>
>No, Lhevinne!
We have to brawl this one out :-)
>
>>Nachtstuecke Op. 23 Emil Gilels, Sviatoslav Richter
>>Humoreske Op. 20 Sviatoslav Richter, Vladimir Horowitz
>
>And Yves Nat.
Yes!
>
>>Bunte Blaetter Op. 99 Yuri Egorov
>
>No, Richter is *way* better.
Brawling again. I have listened to both recordings numerous times. You know my taste
and when I prefer a recording of a Boesendorfer than Richter's Steinway recording, it
simply cannot be *way* worse, can it? :-)
>
>>Kinderszenen Op. 15 Vladimir Horowitz <flame-proof suit on>
>
>Not necessarily - I like VH in Kinderszenen - and I would add Moravec
>and Argerich.
Don't know the Moravec one. Can you try to describe it? BTW, as to Horowitz,
I really <Double-flame proof suit on> prefer the 1982 London version.
>
>>Blumenstueck Op. 19 Vladimir Horowitz
>>Arabeske Op. 18 Vladimir Horowitz
>>Fantasie Op. 17 Vladimir Sofronitsky
>
>I would certainly add Richter and Bashkirov. And maybe even Edwin Fischer.
Dunno Bashkirov, but Richter recommendation heartily seconded, especially the live
one from Praha. Fischer's approach is not my cup of tea in that instance. It's a
matter of taste I guess.
>
>
>dk
>
>PS. I'm glad you didn't mention Clara Haskil or Rudolf Perahia. :-)
>
Why should I? :-)
I forgot the following ones:
Fantasiestuecke Op. 12 Richter (Selection of 6 out of 8)
Davidsbuendlertaenze Op. 6 Gieseking, Kempff, Catherine Collard (!)
Novelettes Op. 21 There is none (yet), No. 8: Richter
Gesaenge der Fruehe Op. 121 There is none (yet)
Peter Lemken
Berlin
I was referring to the Op. 11 Sonata.
K. Attwood
>Novelettes Op. 21 There is none (yet), No. 8: Richter
Yves Nat recorded the best complete set of the Novelettes. He
outplays Richter and everyone else. Yves Nat Schumann 4-CD set is a
mandatory purchase for anyone interested in Schumann's piano music.
If I have to pick the one pianist who shows the most insight into
Schumann's music it would be Yves Nat.
Farhan
Since you refer to Pollini in the Op. 11, you _cannot_ possibly have
listened to the Sofronitsky version. Or the Gilels, for that matter.
Peter Lemken
Berlin, Germany
Perish the thought...
:-)
dk
Jiahua Lu
Shoemanists?
:-)
dk
Seconded. I can certainly sympathize with Koji though. I too had thought
Pollini's op. 11 was great until I heard Gilels - then I forgot about it
very quickly.
dk
Seconded, this CD was a very pleasant surprise, considering the, um,
rather variable quality of the BBC mag disks. However, it doesn't really
displace Horowitz. I believe his preferred recording is on CBS, probably
from the 60s, but the CD is not where I am.
Tony Movshon
Center for Neural Science New York University
http://www.cns.nyu.edu mov...@nyu.edu
> koji...@umich.edu (kojisato) wrote:
> >In article <53qejb$k...@nwnews.wa.com>, Peter Lemken <Ple...@bln.de> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Except for the fact that Pollini never played the Carnaval.....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Lemken
> >> Berlin
> >
> > I was referring to the Op. 11 Sonata.
> >
> > K. Attwood
>
> Since you refer to Pollini in the Op. 11, you _cannot_ possibly have
> listened to the Sofronitsky version. Or the Gilels, for that matter.
Yes, the Gilels is great, the Sofronitsky....well....no comment.
Koji Attwood
Koji doesn't like expressive pianists. If I remember right, he did
mention once his idols were Lipatti, Gilels, Kapell and Bolet. I
suppose someone who can project as much emotion into the music as
does Sofronitsky must sound rather unsettling to him.
He will probably mellow with age...
:-)
dk
> >> >> Except for the fact that Pollini never played the Carnaval.....
> >> >
> >> > I was referring to the Op. 11 Sonata.
> >>
> >> Since you refer to Pollini in the Op. 11, you _cannot_ possibly have
> >> listened to the Sofronitsky version. Or the Gilels, for that matter.
> >
> > Yes, the Gilels is great, the Sofronitsky....well....no comment.
>
> Koji doesn't like expressive pianists. If I remember right, he did
> mention once his idols were Lipatti, Gilels, Kapell and Bolet. I
> suppose someone who can project as much emotion into the music as
> does Sofronitsky must sound rather unsettling to him.
>
> He will probably mellow with age...
>
> :-)
>
>
> dk
The strange thing is, I love the B-minor Scherzo and the Schubert
Impromptu, along with all the Scriabin I've heard of his. Just brilliant
playing. The Op. 11 Sonata was just a huge disappointment for me. You
correctly identified my four idols and as for the mellowing, well, I'm
only 24....anything can happen.
Koji Attwood
What do people think of Lupu's new Schumann disc?
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Besides Sofronitsky, I would also mention Dino Ciani on Dynamic -
for completely different approach, of course.
I came to regard Gilels' and Pollini's renditions as a
little bit boring. There are warm, beautiful sound, smooth and/or
powerful legato, but there is not much beyond that. Just my
opinion, of course.
The same Dynamic CD has Chasse Neige which makes many others sound either
as mindless and soulless virtuosi or as boring executioners.
Oleg Limeshko
What else have you heard? How about the Schubert D960, D784, Moments
Musicaux, lieder transcriptions? The Prokofiev 7th? The Chopin Mazurkas
and the Barcarolle or the Polonaise in A-flat? The Schumann Carnaval?
>playing. The Op. 11 Sonata was just a huge disappointment for me.
In what way? Many r.m.c.r readers think the recording of op. 11
alone justified buying the Russian Piano School set.
>You correctly identified my four idols and as for the mellowing,
>well, I'm only 24....anything can happen.
Yes, things will sound different after you get married... :-)
dk
Also worth listening from Ciani is the complete Novelletten on a
Stradivarius CD that includes Mozart (Fantasia K 475) and Dallapiccola
(Quaderno Musicale di Annalibera). The Dallapiccola and the Schumann are
really high quality.
For the Gesang der Fruhe, there's a "pirate" Pollini CD (don't remember
the label) that is certainly the best recording of the set available.
Francesco
>Koji doesn't like expressive pianists. If I remember right, he did
>mention once his idols were Lipatti, Gilels, Kapell and Bolet. I
>suppose someone who can project as much emotion into the music as
>does Sofronitsky must sound rather unsettling to him.
Not bad role models. Especially considering that any one of
them is 100 times as expressive as Michelangeli.
Farhan
As for my favorite Schumann pianist: Gieseking.
Nassib
I read a review of it, probably in Stereo Review, and the critic was
absolutely rhapsodic about it.
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