Joyce Hatto 2006 Radio Interview Here
persp...@yahoo.co.uk
possible complicity in a major deception, and even her existence as a
noteworthy pianist, I thought this one hour radio interview of which
no-one seems aware would be of interest to many. It dates from about
one year ago.The testimony of the conductor who conducted her in a
performance of the Bax Variations confirms her as a one time brilliant
player. Ms Hatto discusses her life and playing and this is probably
the best opportunity remaining to get an insight into her personality
and state of mind. I think of particular interest is the way she
sometimes talks in the present tense,about events of many years ago.
Was her perception of the present different to the reality? I would be
interested to hear other people's impressions
Simon Roberts
persp...@yahoo.co.uk says...
"A totally genuine person" says Mr. Handley.
Simon
Simon Roberts
At one point she (or whoever it is) says one of her favorite places to record is
EMI Studio 1 where, she says, she's done a lot of work. She also suggests she
owns an old Steinway which Rachmaninov used to play, and keeps it a secret where
she lives so it won't get stolen or vandalized. Hmmm.
Simon
rkhalona
Who is the interviewer? Is it Edward Greenfield?
RK
Simon Roberts
>
>Simon Roberts <sd...@comcast.net> wrote in news:erilu...@drn.newsguy.com:
>
>> "A totally genuine person" says Mr. Handley.
>>
>> Simon
>
>
>Sonatas disc: "On this cd, Joyce plays four of Mozart's best known Sonatas
>and I can hear right away that she is not interested in the Authenticity
>movement."
Marvelous! As is the interviewer/journalist's assertions that Hatto doesn't
believe in editing and that one reason for the success of all these Hatto discs
is the unique sound of the formerly-owned-by-Rachmaninov Steinway she uses on
all of them. Even via this mp3 on computer speakers I think one can tell
different pianos (not to mention pianists, engineers, etc.) are involved. (Odd
that he should nevertheless have noted the varying acoustics involved.)
On another matter - based on one of the allegros played, I wouldn't be surprised
if whoever suggested Ingrid Haebler as the source of the Mozart sonatas were
correct, in at least that movement (not so sure about the slow movement played).
Oh, and yes, many of these performances sound well worth getting to know,
whosever they are.
Simon
Paul Ilechko
>
> I think the best line comes when the interviewer refers to the Mozart
> Sonatas disc: "On this cd, Joyce plays four of Mozart's best known Sonatas
> and I can hear right away that she is not interested in the Authenticity
> movement."
Never were truer words accidentally spoken !
yenda smejkal
thing is that even some of the composers I am none too enthusiastic about I
found myself being drawn to by the performances...all i need to know now is
who they are so that I can go and buy them! I am beginning to wonder if we
will ever know the real truth about all this, but we need to know as much as
we can to credit the artists who did make those great recordings...and if
Hatto did make some recordings in her latter years, lets know which ones
they are...there again i am not saying anything that hasnt been said
before!!
"rkhalona" <rkha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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rkhalona
> On Feb 22, 1:03 am, Simon Roberts <s...@comcast.net> wrote:> At one point she (or whoever it is) says one of her favorite places to record is
> > EMI Studio 1 where, she says, she's done a lot of work. She also suggests she
> > owns an old Steinway which Rachmaninov used to play, and keeps it a secret where
> > she lives so it won't get stolen or vandalized. Hmmm.
>
>
> Best,
>
> MrT
"My husband is a very good critic; he has a much better ear for sound
than me.."
RK
Matthew B. Tepper
to be typed in news:erilu...@drn.newsguy.com:
> "A totally genuine person" says Mr. Handley.
Has anybody asked Tod for an opinion lately?
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rkhalona
This document raises too many questions:
1) Go back to http://www.veledan.com/ and take a look at the site
Is this interview for real?
2) Where was it broadcast and when? Who is the interviewer?
3) Did the interviewer interview JH in person or via telephone?
(I hear no significant change in the audio frequency response to
suspect a phone interview, but...)
Until these questions are answered and verified, this sounds like
another spoof to me.
RK
johnlew...@sympatico.ca
wrote:
> well, if nothing else, this is a fascinating document...and the interesting
> thing is that even some of the composers I am none too enthusiastic about I
> found myself being drawn to by the performances...all i need to know now is
> who they are so that I can go and buy them! I am beginning to wonder if we
> will ever know the real truth about all this, but we need to know as much as
> we can to credit the artists who did make those great recordings...and if
> Hatto did make some recordings in her latter years, lets know which ones
> they are...there again i am not saying anything that hasnt been said
> before!!
>
>
> news:1172104058....@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 21, 3:03 pm, perspic...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >> In view of conjecture about Joyce Hatto's pianistic ability, her
> >> possible complicity in a major deception, and even her existence as a
> >> noteworthy pianist, I thought this one hour radio interview of which
> >> no-one seems aware would be of interest to many. It dates from about
> >> one year ago.The testimony of the conductor who conducted her in a
> >> performance of the Bax Variations confirms her as a one time brilliant
> >> player. Ms Hatto discusses her life and playing and this is probably
> >> the best opportunity remaining to get an insight into her personality
> >> and state of mind. I think of particular interest is the way she
> >> sometimes talks in the present tense,about events of many years ago.
> >> Was her perception of the present different to the reality? I would be
> >> interested to hear other people's impressions
>
> >>http://www.veledan.com/hatto/Joyce_Hatto_interview.mp3
>
> > Who is the interviewer? Is it Edward Greenfield?
>
> > RK
It's absolutely fantastic! Amazing! I don't hear a serious, hard-
working pianist, but a playful, fun-loving thoroughly middle-aged,
middle class women who likes spinning a yarn. She's hardly
convincing: completly lost in the past. She's actually quite
unbelievable, yet charming. I had a neighbour once who was very much
like her. Very jolly and innocent, but forever trying to sell me
obscure mining stocks and that sort of thing. Joyce isn't selling
stocks, but someone else's Chopin and Mozart. Her "fingerwork" isn't
the only thing that is, as the interviewer points out, "perfection
embodied!" Her acting is pretty amazing too.
I think she's an incredibly good con. Incredibly good. And loving
it, obviously. That poor interviewer, whoever he is, must be cringing
now. The "delicate delights of her Schubert!" I continue to believe
that the critics who fell for her should be cringing too, even though
they claim not to be.
JG
MrT
> This document raises too many questions:
>
> Is this interview for real?
> 2) Where was it broadcast and when? Who is the interviewer?
> 3) Did the interviewer interview JH in person or via telephone?
> (I hear no significant change in the audio frequency response to
> suspect a phone interview, but...)
>
> Until these questions are answered and verified, this sounds like
> another spoof to me.
>
> RK
No! Another Hatto hoax? Next thing we know, Joyce will turn out to
have a cat called Jaune Tom...
Best,
MrT
David Fox
> In article <1172099037.640681.167...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> perspic...@yahoo.co.uk says...
She also says that Rachmaninoff used to play this piano when he
recorded at EMI, which to the best of my knowledge he never did.
Consistent with the B-C cocktail of tantalizing facts and bullshit.
Also, I seem to recall that Pletnev recorded his Hommage album on
Rach's piano. There could have been more than one Rach pianos, but
somehow I doubt we're going to find one of them in "Hatto Hall."
DF
Paul Ilechko
> There could have been more than one Rach pianos, but
> somehow I doubt we're going to find one of them in "Hatto Hall."
Or in "Hatto Hell", the new name for RMCR ;-)
Mike Painter
(in article <1172106882....@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>):
The good old days of rmcr.
Did anyone eve figure out who Jaune Tom was?
Mike
oddy...@yahoo.co.nz
> I might well be wrong..but I think that this possibly (only heard a
> few mins) is the Radio New Zealand affair.
> Broadcast quite a few times -last 2 Google entries 26 July/30 Dec
> 2006http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:2uotI55DcvkJ:www.radionz.co.nz/c...
> ==============================
> Murray Khouri's Pressing On programme in which he talks with English
> virtuoso pianist Joyce Hatto, interspersed with recordings from her
> vast, eclectic repertoire. Hatto made her debut in 1952 and last
> played in public in 1976 - a lengthy illness interrupting a stellar
> career. But she continued recording, amassing more than 100 CDs before
> she died this year on June 29th (CFM)
I can confirm that. The programme was made in good faith before she
died. Murray Khouri was interviewed on Radio New Zealand Concert's
Upbeat programme on Monday for his reaction to this week's
revelations. This interview is available from the following page for a
few more days (audio from RNZ is available on demand for 7 days after
broadcast).
http://www.radionz.co.nz/cfm/programmes/upbeat/20070219
Simon Roberts
says...
No; Greenfield has rather breathy, fairly upper-class English accent.
Simon
Simon Roberts
says...
If it were, I can't say I would be entirely surprised - it's not unknown for
musicians to say nothing very perceptive about their art, but this is pretty
dire by any standards (if it's not a spoof, the flood of lies is pretty
remarkable). I also thought that neither her nor "Handley's" accent sounded
quite right (both seem oddly inconsistent), but at least in his case that should
be easy enough to check - has anyone reading this heard him speak?
Simon
rkhalona
So, the interview appears to be legitimate, but Mr. Murray Khouri is
obviously in denial (he calls the campaign to find the truth "this
viciousness going back to last year." Radio New Zealand is also
awfully naive trying to portray iTunes as some sort of proof, which of
course, proves nothing.
Questions still persist about this interview (Mr. Khouri seems more
worried about he and and other critics being mocked, ha ha!), but it
sheds little or no light into what we already know.
RK
Lookingglass
"Simon Roberts" <sd...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> http://www.veledan.com/hatto/Joyce_Hatto_interview.mp3
>
> "A totally genuine person" says Mr. Handley.
>
> Simon
But are we REALLY sure it's her...!?!
REG
"Lookingglass" <Shem...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I don't know if this is real or a hoax but she doesn't come across as a
psychopath (ie, a con man). She comes across as an over-eager to please,
somewhat immature and axnious person who tries to cover up and allay the
anxiety with the eager to please quality. This seens consistent with some of
the letters that were published today. I think that the most interesting
point in the interview (assuming it's real) is where she talks about how, in
growing up, she was so challenged to please her parents, and then later
talks about B-C and his being such a 'good' critic of her playing. Again,
not to beat a dead horse, it's my guess that you have a woman, growing older
and more isolated, who lives in the past, begins to fantasize about her
current playing abilities, and all this plays into her husband's own
personality, as well as his need to be greedy and dominate. That's what I
think may be the most likely scenario, and the interview seems consistent
with it.
TareeDawg
news:1172106592....@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> It's absolutely fantastic! Amazing! I don't hear a serious, hard-
> working pianist, but a playful, fun-loving thoroughly middle-aged,
> middle class women who likes spinning a yarn. She's hardly
> convincing: completly lost in the past. She's actually quite
> unbelievable, yet charming. I had a neighbour once who was very much
> like her. Very jolly and innocent, but forever trying to sell me
> obscure mining stocks and that sort of thing. Joyce isn't selling
> stocks, but someone else's Chopin and Mozart. Her "fingerwork" isn't
> the only thing that is, as the interviewer points out, "perfection
> embodied!" Her acting is pretty amazing too.
>
> I think she's an incredibly good con. Incredibly good. And loving
> it, obviously. That poor interviewer, whoever he is, must be cringing
> now. The "delicate delights of her Schubert!" I continue to believe
> that the critics who fell for her should be cringing too, even though
> they claim not to be.
The musical samples didn't interest me much, but what I found utterly
fascinating, for want of a better word, is how "young" she sounds. Almost
like a slightly outgrown St. Trinians type of nubile, complete with hockey
stick, and bubble gum. She even lapses from standard English towards the end
of many phrases, into a type of Southern/Cockney English accent.
Frankly, I find it almost unbelievable that this was recorded last year, or
that the voice we were hearing *was* Joyce Hatto. In addition she is always
referring to the past, and never to the present (except when referring to
vandalism in her area), which in itself is ridiculous, because vandals might
scratch cars, but wouldn't even think of breaking in, and attacking a grand
piano. Many vandals wouldn't know what a grand piano looked like, and
besides, near where she is supposed to have lived, I honestly doubt that
many vandals are about.
Hence I view the interview with very great suspicion. Mind you, if that
really *was* Joyce Hatto, she comes across as a wonderfully chatty and
lovely old lady. I could chat for her for hours and hours. Just being
careful not to drink the tea.
Ray H
Taree, NSW
David Fox
to listen to it in bits because the kiddies intervened. Daddy kept
laughing himself silly and they wanted to know why. So I couldn't
really listen properly until they went to bed.
That interview was so delightfully fun I don't know where to begin. I
was hoping it would never end. My favorite line was when Greenfield
said when introducing her Schubert Impromptu,
"One of the dangers of such a massive collection of an artist's work
is that a terrible sameness can creep into all of the playing. Be
assured that this is not the case here. This Schubert playing is at
the level of a Clifford Curzon or an Artur Schnabel and - dare I even
whisper? - better."
When the Joyce Hatto story is eventually made into a movie - whether
it be with the "Mother Bates" or "Baby Jane" plot - they can include
this dialog without having to pay writers. Speaking of which, these
recorded voice excerpts add a distinct new wrinkle, don't they? I
don't really no what to make of them yet. The voice definitely
strikes me as female and middle-aged to elderly. Very animated. I
doubt any sort of voice shifter could achieve this from a male voice.
So, it is extremely unlikely to me that it is Coupe de Fraud. But is
it Joyce Hatto? Whoever it is, this woman is very convincing yet we
know beyond a doubt that she is entirely full of shit. This is world-
class acting whether it's Hatto or not. And the woman did NOT strike
me as batty or delusional, unless her segments were heavily edited.
Besides, it would be far too risky for CdF to put her on the radio if
her marbles were gone.
Did CdF find a partner in crime to help him pull off the con?
Remember, she would never had to meet anybody. CdF could have
provided her with a script and some notable anecdotes to tell, then
asked her to speak very quickly and steer the conversation toward
their pre-scripted points.
I'm also not buying the cancer angle, because it's too damn convenient
for the fraud. First, as has been mentioned, nobody has been known to
suffer from cancer continually for 35 years, so it starts from a
position of extreme implausibility. But think about what the
invocation of cancer accomplishes:
- It is a major PR hook for the entire story.
- It is a pre-emptive reason to cut off in-person interview requests.
Meetings can be set up and then cancelled at the last minute due to a
sudden change in health without arousing suspicion. Studio interviews
could be switched to phone interviews.
- It pre-empts any notion of a potential live performance.
- It provides an excuse of why her studio dates are irregular and
never scheduled. Otherwise, some music industry insiders could ask to
sit in the control booth (even Glenn Gould occasionally allowed
invited guests into his control booth).
- It practically acts as a "skepticism vaccine." It puts anyone who
would even think to question the story immediately on the defensive.
"How could you say this about such a poor old dying woman?" Don't you
remember when the Alan Watkins posted on RMCR that she had been
monitoring the group on her deathbed asking, "Why do all of these
people hate me? Why are they saying such terrible things about me?"
Think back on that now.
And...the woman on the phone did not sound the slightest bit ill.
Here's my current prediction: there's not going to be anything
remotely sympathetic or psychologically complex about the truth. CdF
was running a scam. There was no cancer, there was no living Joyce
Hatto involved, there was no studio, there was no orchestra, there was
no piano (Rachmaninoff's or otherwise), and there was no Santa Claus.
There was a demented but determined elderly British con man with a
nice record collection and access to a digital editing facility (with
or without someone to help him edit), a phone, an internet account, a
fake identity or two, and a female compatriot full or part-time, Joyce
Hatto or otherwise.
DF
Edward LeBaron
> I bought the Bax 'Symphonic Variations' on 'Revolution' LP as a 'cut-
> out' circa 1973...and certain parts of this Farrago are etched into my
> mind...
> Quite simply, the solo playing is near 'incoherent' - gives (as with
> the 'matching' Bax Sonata 1/4/etc LP) the impression of notes being
> 'hit at random' .
> Little 'architecture' apparent - and the orchestra (which I believe
> was bolstered by some RPO members) is a near shambles - not to mention
> the lack of rapport with Hatto (or vice-versa).
> Supposedly 'The Yardstick' for this work.
> Don't believe 'professional' reviewers is my advice..
Are you sure the fault lays with Hatto? Perhaps the "incoherence" you find
in the recording is simply a reflection of the fact that you don't care
for the piece. Have you ever heard the other recording by Fingerhut? The
piano writing in the piece is very rhapsodic and, in comparison with other
romantic piano concerti, can appear rather eccentric. I have not heard
Hatto's recording of the piece all the way through, but I find nothing in
the excerpts in the interview in the least incoherent.
Edward LeBaron
> OTOH, the real Hatto's playing in the Bax isn't very interesting or
> lively (could partly be the fault of the mp3, I guess). I thought
> Handley's comments about her extreme waywardness while still
> complimenting her solo work was done about as nicely as possible.
I disagree with this assessment. I find the playing in the Bax to be more
interesting and individual (if a tad slow) than the playing in other
pieces featured. Although these other recordings are certainly well done,
they're rather on the straightforward side.
--EL
Matthew B. Tepper
> In article <1172104058....@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, rkhalona
> says...
>>
>> Who is the interviewer? Is it Edward Greenfield?
>
> No; Greenfield has rather breathy, fairly upper-class English accent.
Richard Schultz hasn't chimed in, so I guess I have to say this for him:
Does Greenfield excuse himself with, "No more buttered scones for me, Mater,
I'm off to play the grahnd pyahno"?
Matthew B. Tepper
what was obviously a staged interview:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lee_Rose
Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo! (Bounces around like Daffy Duck)
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in
> OTOH, the real Hatto's playing in the Bax isn't very interesting or
> lively (could partly be the fault of the mp3, I guess).
No, that would be another pianist, David Lively. ;--)
> I thought Handley's comments about her extreme waywardness while still
> complimenting her solo work was done about as nicely as possible. It
> seems, judging from his comments and from the actual samples of her
> playing, that her career was probably not going to make the big time at
> any rate, I don't think.
The thought comes to mind, after reading MrT's assertion that this group is
read by many thousands of people (I had thought it was closer to 3,000
individuals, but he says rather more) -- what could we, as a group, do in
order to get the music industry to realize HEY, WE EXIST AND WE DEMAND THAT
YOU NOTICE US!
I hit upon the idea that as many of us as are willing should buy the same
recording, in order show our clout. I was trying all day to think of which
one, when a visit to Record Surplus showed me what it really ought to be.
Unfortunately they had only the LP, but there is a CD and it is still in
print:
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=82005
It is the Symphonic Variations by Sir Arnold Bax.
Played not by what's-her-face, but by Margaret Fingerhut.
Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo! (Bouncing around like Daffy Duck.)
Lookingglass
"REG" <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45dd2cfb$0$16726$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> I don't know if this is real or a hoax but she doesn't come across as a
> psychopath (ie, a con man). She comes across as an over-eager to please,
> somewhat immature and axnious person who tries to cover up and allay the
> anxiety with the eager to please quality. This seens consistent with some
> of the letters that were published today. I think that the most
> interesting point in the interview (assuming it's real) is where she talks
> about how, in growing up, she was so challenged to please her parents, and
> then later talks about B-C and his being such a 'good' critic of her
> playing. Again, not to beat a dead horse, it's my guess that you have a
> woman, growing older and more isolated, who lives in the past, begins to
> fantasize about her current playing abilities, and all this plays into her
> husband's own personality, as well as his need to be greedy and dominate.
> That's what I think may be the most likely scenario, and the interview
> seems consistent with it.
All in all...it is a fascinating, and still developing story. Certainly
worthy of a good book...with many good characters and villains, and plot
twists. Lots of minor characters...and even a "Greek chorus" (rmcr).
It is Shakespearean.
Lookingglass
"TareeDawg" <rayt...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Good post.
Perhaps Angela Lansbury would be good for the part in a TV docu-drama.
Lookingglass
"David Fox" <davidf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The mystery deepens. It's a great story.
ne...@thump.org
> I would be
>interested to hear other people's impressions
>
>http://www.veledan.com/hatto/Joyce_Hatto_interview.mp3
Who is the interviewer ?
ne...@thump.org
wrote:
>> http://www.veledan.com/hatto/Joyce_Hatto_interview.mp3
>
>Who is the interviewer? Is it Edward Greenfield?
No no no !! Its not anyone from the BBC in London that I know of.
ne...@thump.org
wrote:
>
>The musical samples didn't interest me much, but what I found utterly
>fascinating, for want of a better word, is how "young" she sounds. Almost
>like a slightly outgrown St. Trinians type of nubile, complete with hockey
>stick, and bubble gum. She even lapses from standard English towards the end
>of many phrases, into a type of Southern/Cockney English accent.
No its a young sounding voice but a post/pre war home counties accent
- yes like Joyce Grenfel for example. Not a trace of anything else.
ne...@thump.org
<Shem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Perhaps Angela Lansbury would be good for the part in a TV docu-drama.
Oh come on Her accent got lost mid-atlantic. She sounds American to
us.
ne...@thump.org
>No; Greenfield has rather breathy, fairly upper-class English accent.
His music speech is laden with cliches!
ne...@thump.org
> I also thought that neither her nor "Handley's" accent sounded
>quite right (both seem oddly inconsistent), but at least in his case that should
>be easy enough to check - has anyone reading this heard him speak?
Very odd accent - especially the 'r's and some of the inonation. Maybe
he's cornish.
yenda smejkal
1. vernon handley did state that he hadnt known why he hadnt heard of joyce
hatto in many years - he didnt know she had cancer, for example.
2. I have always understood that concerto recordings cost the earth, given
the number of musicians needed - and for that kind of output from a small
label, that would perhaps start alarm bells ringing (this, of course is not
part of the interview, merely observation).
3. I read the article in the International Piano Magazine, and the voice of
Joyce Hatto is how I would have imagined it from the description given there
(I am pretty sure it was the interview in there rather than somewhere else),
so that would mean that, surely, a credible writer had interviewed her.
Given all this, perhaps the plot just thickens more and more.
I also want to know whose recording the Saint SAens 5th concerto is - there
is no other that it similar, and it definitely isnt Collard...I think I have
pretty much all the ones there are, and none of them sound alike...i just
wonder if this is the one recordidng she _did_ make in later life!
<ne...@thump.org> wrote in message
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sorabji...@lineone.net
> On Feb 21, 4:03 pm, Simon Roberts <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <1172099037.640681.167...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > perspic...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>
> > >In view of conjecture about Joyce Hatto's pianistic ability, her
> > >possible complicity in a major deception, and even her existence as a
> > >noteworthy pianist, I thought this one hour radio interview of which
> > >no-one seems aware would be of interest to many. It dates from about
> > >one year ago.The testimony of the conductor who conducted her in a
> > >performance of the Bax Variations confirms her as a one time brilliant
> > >player. Ms Hatto discusses her life and playing and this is probably
> > >the best opportunity remaining to get an insight into her personality
> > >and state of mind. I think of particular interest is the way she
> > >sometimes talks in the present tense,about events of many years ago.
> > >interested to hear other people's impressions
>
> > >http://www.veledan.com/hatto/Joyce_Hatto_interview.mp3
>
> > EMI Studio 1 where, she says, she's done a lot of work. She also suggests she
> > owns an old Steinway which Rachmaninov used to play, and keeps it a secret where
> > she lives so it won't get stolen or vandalized. Hmmm.
>
> > Simon
>
> She also says that Rachmaninoff used to play this piano when he
> recorded at EMI, which to the best of my knowledge he never did.
> Consistent with the B-C cocktail of tantalizing facts and bullshit.
> Also, I seem to recall that Pletnev recorded his Hommage album on
> Rach's piano. There could have been more than one Rach pianos, but
> somehow I doubt we're going to find one of them in "Hatto Hall."
>
> DF- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As far as I know, one that he used when in UK - and by "him" I mean
the real Sergey Vasilyevich Rakhmaninov, the Russian composer, pianist
and conductor as distinct from any kind of Hatstandup-comic version of
him - is just two and abit miles from where I am now typing - on the
top floor of the Holbuirne Museum in Bath, UK...
Best,
Alistair
Michael Schaffer
Who is that? Sounds like somebody piggybacking on the success of the
famous composer, pianist and conductor Sergei Rachmaninoff. But it
can't be the same person - the really famous one never spelled his
name Rakhmaninov in Latin letters. I guess it's somebody just counting
on people to mistake him for Rachmaninoff.
Tony Overington
>.i just wonder if this is the one recordidng she _did_ make in later life!
I wish people would stop saying this. It's for almost certain that not
a single recording on these CA discs can be attributed to her, and
most likely she hasn't even been alive for the last few (dozen) years.
If that's her on the interview then that's me on the cover of Time
Magazine.
A. Brain
with the atttribution to Greenfield? It seemed to me that the
interviewer was probably in on the scam as well, he is so over-the-top.
Elsewhere he is identified as Murray Khouri.
There's a lot of crazy stuff in the interview. Extensive discussions
and samples of the CDs. In addition to the "authenticity" remark by the
interviewer, there is his observation that JH does not believe
in edits (!)--she does her practicing at home.
Whoever is being interviewed had to have some acquaintance with
the world of music, unless the whole thing was scripted.
Here is a source for the latest, not sure if it's been posted here
before as I have not read all the Hatto threads:
http://www.andrys.com/hatto.html
--
A. Brain
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REG
"yenda smejkal" <yenda....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:yJdDh.16969$mn2...@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> Three points interest me in this:
>
> 1. vernon handley did state that he hadnt known why he hadnt heard of
> joyce hatto in many years - he didnt know she had cancer, for example.
IF the interview is a real one, what I find interesting is that Hadley says
that he didn't know she had cancer, and that he thought she had SOMETHING
ELSE bothering her. I think that's a very interesting comment - it suggests
that possibility that she never did have cancer, and that the 'something
else' (perhaps indigestion) was all that troubled her.....the 'cancer' may
well have been fabricated later.
Peter Lemken
> At one point she (or whoever it is) says one of her favorite places to record is
> EMI Studio 1 where, she says, she's done a lot of work.
A couple of minutes later we hears this interesting sentence: "I keep it
very secret where I live, because you've got a lot of vandals around here.
Friends of mine who have got very precious stringed instruments, they got in
and destroyed them just for the sake of it and, so, I don't, err, even Mr.
Jeremy Nicholas who I have never met (sic!) he just said I live in a small
market town near Cambridge, which I like. I don't want people to know
exactly where I live, because I am terrified they get in and destroy my
piano."
"Jeremy Nicholas who I have never met..."
How interesting.
Peter Lemken
Berlin
Peter Lemken
Vernon Handley is alive and can probably be contacted through either
Hyperion or his artist management.
REG
follow up interview (12 minutes only). There's more than a suggestion that
there was not necessarily a piano in the home (sic), that there was no
recording studio, and that the 'orchestra' was a group of Polish refugees
working on a non-union basis (sic). A very frank interview and I think the
best evidence that there was no piano even in her home.
"A. Brain" <abr...@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
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yenda smejkal
"Tony Overington" <sid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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the CDs have been analysed there is always a chance - slim I grant you - but
still a chance that there may be one or two that are genuine...I do look
forward to seeing your photograph on the cover of Time Magazine though!
Andrew Rose
> I strongly suggest that anyone interested in this subject to listen to this
> follow up interview (12 minutes only). There's more than a suggestion that
> there was not necessarily a piano in the home (sic), that there was no
> recording studio, and that the 'orchestra' was a group of Polish refugees
> working on a non-union basis (sic). A very frank interview and I think the
> best evidence that there was no piano even in her home.
Sounds like he hadn't had much time to think through what he was going
to say before the interview, especially about the evidence as presented
by the time of the interview...
--
Andrew Rose - Pristine Classical
The online home of Classical Music: www.pristineclassical.com
Lionel Tacchini
wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:14:42 -0800, MrT wrote
> (in article <1172106882.047091.81...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 22, 1:57 am, "rkhalona" <rkhal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> This document raises too many questions:
>
> >> 1) Go back tohttp://www.veledan.com/andtake a look at the site
> >> Is this interview for real?
> >> 2) Where was it broadcast and when? Who is the interviewer?
> >> 3) Did the interviewer interview JH in person or via telephone?
> >> (I hear no significant change in the audio frequency response to
> >> suspect a phone interview, but...)
>
> >> Until these questions are answered and verified, this sounds like
> >> another spoof to me.
>
> >> RK
>
> > No! Another Hatto hoax? Next thing we know, Joyce will turn out to
> > have a cat called Jaune Tom...
>
> > Best,
>
> > MrT
>
> The good old days of rmcr.
>
> Did anyone eve figure out who Jaune Tom was?
Of course. It was dk's cat, posting behind his back.
Lionel Tacchini
MrT
wrote:
> Of course. It was dk's cat, posting behind his back.
>
> Lionel Tacchini
It Jaune Tom was involved, somebody should look urgently for some
Pawlini among the Hatto artifacts. That was his favorite pianist,
wasn't it?
Best,
MrT
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in
news:1172142126.0...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:
But what about the Bax Symphonic Variations? Hey, wouldn't it be something
if that Concert Artist CD turned out to be Margaret Fingerhut after all?
--
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O
<spam.f...@buerotiger.de> wrote:
> Simon Roberts <sd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > At one point she (or whoever it is) says one of her favorite places to
> > record is
> > EMI Studio 1 where, she says, she's done a lot of work.
>
> A couple of minutes later we hears this interesting sentence: "I keep it
> very secret where I live, because you've got a lot of vandals around here.
> Friends of mine who have got very precious stringed instruments, they got in
> and destroyed them just for the sake of it and, so, I don't, err, even Mr.
> Jeremy Nicholas who I have never met (sic!) he just said I live in a small
> market town near Cambridge, which I like. I don't want people to know
> exactly where I live, because I am terrified they get in and destroy my
> piano."
She wasn't really afraid of people destroying her piano while she was
out.
She was afraid of people coming in and playing on her piano when she
was out.
-Owen
yenda smejkal
"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98DF4DA515...@207.217.125.201...
> "Tony Overington" <sid...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in
> news:1172142126.0...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On 22 Feb, 09:52, "yenda smejkal" <yenda.smej...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>.i just wonder if this is the one recordidng she _did_ make in later
>>>life!
>>
>> I wish people would stop saying this. It's for almost certain that not
>> a single recording on these CA discs can be attributed to her, and most
>> likely she hasn't even been alive for the last few (dozen) years. If
>> that's
>> her on the interview then that's me on the cover of Time Magazine.
>
> But what about the Bax Symphonic Variations? Hey, wouldn't it be
> something
> if that Concert Artist CD turned out to be Margaret Fingerhut after all?
>
I simply cant see that the Bax is Fingerhut,. they are so very different in
parts - and not just that they could have been technically manipulated,
there are serious differences; when i listen to the CD now it is always
Hatto that I listen to rather than Fingerhut; if the Bax isnt genuine I
would be seriously surprised, I have to say!
Matthew B. Tepper
following letters to be typed in
> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns98DF4DA515...@207.217.125.201...
>> "Tony Overington" <sid...@gmail.com> appears to have caused the
>> following letters to be typed in
>> news:1172142126.0...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On 22 Feb, 09:52, "yenda smejkal" <yenda.smej...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>.i just wonder if this is the one recordidng she _did_ make in later
>>>>life!
>>>
>>> I wish people would stop saying this. It's for almost certain that not
>>> a single recording on these CA discs can be attributed to her, and
>>> most likely she hasn't even been alive for the last few (dozen) years.
>>> If that's her on the interview then that's me on the cover of Time
>>> Magazine.
>>
>> But what about the Bax Symphonic Variations? Hey, wouldn't it be
>> something if that Concert Artist CD turned out to be Margaret Fingerhut
>> after all?
>
> I simply cant see that the Bax is Fingerhut,. they are so very different
> in parts - and not just that they could have been technically
> manipulated, there are serious differences; when i listen to the CD now
> it is always Hatto that I listen to rather than Fingerhut; if the Bax
> isnt genuine I would be seriously surprised, I have to say!
I was joking. ;--)
Matthew B. Tepper
typed in news:220220071038542699%ow...@idsx.netx:
Almost. She was afraid of people coming in and DUSTING her piano when she
was out.
--
Andrew Rose
>
> Almost. She was afraid of people coming in and DUSTING her piano when she
> was out.
>
For fingerprints...
benjo maso
>O <ow...@idsx.netx> appears to have caused the following letters to be
> typed in news:220220071038542699%ow...@idsx.netx:
>
>> In article <545d3sF...@mid.individual.net>, Peter Lemken
>><spam.f...@buerotiger.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Simon Roberts <sd...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > At one point she (or whoever it is) says one of her favorite places
>>> > to record is EMI Studio 1 where, she says, she's done a lot of work.
>>>
>>> A couple of minutes later we hears this interesting sentence: "I keep it
>>> very secret where I live, because you've got a lot of vandals around
>>> here. Friends of mine who have got very precious stringed instruments,
>>> they got in and destroyed them just for the sake of it and, so, I don't,
>>> err, even Mr. Jeremy Nicholas who I have never met (sic!) he just said I
>>> live in a small market town near Cambridge, which I like. I don't want
>>> people to know exactly where I live, because I am terrified they get in
>>> and destroy my piano."
>>
>> She wasn't really afraid of people destroying her piano while she was
>> out.
>>
>> She was afraid of people coming in and playing on her piano when she
>> was out.
>
> Almost. She was afraid of people coming in and DUSTING her piano when she
> was out.
What piano?
Benjo Maso
Peter Lemken
>
> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> Almost. She was afraid of people coming in and DUSTING her piano when she
>> was out.
>
>
> What piano?
The Steinway she most certainly had bought at a time.
oddy...@yahoo.co.nz
> Follow-up to the "original" radio interview:
>
> http://www.radionz.co.nz/cfm/programmes/upbeat/20070219
>
This link was originally going to expire on 26 February, but due to
the high interest in the item, Radio New Zealand has created a
permanent link:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/longterm?result_page=M
OD
Brendan R. Wehrung
> "Lookingglass" <Shem...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:B5udnYhGke2ot0DY...@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Simon Roberts" <sd...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:erilu...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>> In article <1172099037.6...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>>> persp...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>>
>>>> http://www.veledan.com/hatto/Joyce_Hatto_interview.mp3
>>>
>>> "A totally genuine person" says Mr. Handley.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>
>>
>> But are we REALLY sure it's her...!?!
>>
>> www.Shemakhan.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> I don't know if this is real or a hoax but she doesn't come across as a
> psychopath (ie, a con man). She comes across as an over-eager to please,
> somewhat immature and axnious person who tries to cover up and allay the
> anxiety with the eager to please quality. This seens consistent with some of
> the letters that were published today. I think that the most interesting
> point in the interview (assuming it's real) is where she talks about how, in
> growing up, she was so challenged to please her parents, and then later
> talks about B-C and his being such a 'good' critic of her playing. Again,
> not to beat a dead horse, it's my guess that you have a woman, growing older
> and more isolated, who lives in the past, begins to fantasize about her
> current playing abilities, and all this plays into her husband's own
> personality, as well as his need to be greedy and dominate. That's what I
> think may be the most likely scenario, and the interview seems consistent
> with it.
>
>
You want fantasy? How about a husband recording his wife (good amateur
recrordings), finding most don't live up to her past standards and
substituting what he thinks she would have done? By this scnario theer's
a little Joyce scattered among the others.
We won't know until B-C fesses up.
Brendan
Brendan R. Wehrung
> <johnlew...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:1172106592....@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
>> It's absolutely fantastic! Amazing! I don't hear a serious, hard-
>> working pianist, but a playful, fun-loving thoroughly middle-aged,
>> middle class women who likes spinning a yarn. She's hardly
>> convincing: completly lost in the past. She's actually quite
>> unbelievable, yet charming. I had a neighbour once who was very much
>> like her. Very jolly and innocent, but forever trying to sell me
>> obscure mining stocks and that sort of thing. Joyce isn't selling
>> stocks, but someone else's Chopin and Mozart. Her "fingerwork" isn't
>> the only thing that is, as the interviewer points out, "perfection
>> embodied!" Her acting is pretty amazing too.
>>
>> I think she's an incredibly good con. Incredibly good. And loving
>> it, obviously. That poor interviewer, whoever he is, must be cringing
>> now. The "delicate delights of her Schubert!" I continue to believe
>> that the critics who fell for her should be cringing too, even though
>> they claim not to be.
>
>
> The musical samples didn't interest me much, but what I found utterly
> fascinating, for want of a better word, is how "young" she sounds. Almost
> like a slightly outgrown St. Trinians type of nubile, complete with hockey
> stick, and bubble gum. She even lapses from standard English towards the end
> of many phrases, into a type of Southern/Cockney English accent.
>
> Frankly, I find it almost unbelievable that this was recorded last year, or
> that the voice we were hearing *was* Joyce Hatto. In addition she is always
> referring to the past, and never to the present (except when referring to
> vandalism in her area), which in itself is ridiculous, because vandals might
> scratch cars, but wouldn't even think of breaking in, and attacking a grand
> piano. Many vandals wouldn't know what a grand piano looked like, and
> besides, near where she is supposed to have lived, I honestly doubt that
> many vandals are about.
>
> Hence I view the interview with very great suspicion. Mind you, if that
> really *was* Joyce Hatto, she comes across as a wonderfully chatty and
> lovely old lady. I could chat for her for hours and hours. Just being
> careful not to drink the tea.
>
> Ray H
> Taree, NSW
>
>
She is (or was) charming, wasn't she?
Brendan
Andrew Clarke
> I just listened to the radio interview and found it astounding. What's
> with the atttribution to Greenfield? It seemed to me that the
> interviewer was probably in on the scam as well, he is so over-the-top.
> Elsewhere he is identified as Murray Khouri.
No less an authority than Simon Roberts maintains that the interviewer
on the BBC? interview is *not* Edward Greenfield. And he would know.
The Radio New Zealand interview is with Murray Khouri, who certainly
does exist: I saw him play in Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time
in Canberra some twenty years ago, when he was lecturer in clarinet at
the Canberra School of Music.
Interesting that Komrad Khouri does not admit here (nor apparently on
his website) that during the 1990s he worked as a contract producer
for Naxos, and had access to sound editing equipment ...
With respect to the interview itself, you have yourself posted that
the United Kingdom is a police state. Well, would you feel comfortable
interviewing anybody with the business end of an MI5 automatic
pressing against the back of your neck?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Brendan R. Wehrung
> Three points interest me in this:
>
> 1. vernon handley did state that he hadnt known why he hadnt heard of joyce
> hatto in many years - he didnt know she had cancer, for example.
> the number of musicians needed - and for that kind of output from a small
> label, that would perhaps start alarm bells ringing (this, of course is not
> part of the interview, merely observation).
> 3. I read the article in the International Piano Magazine, and the voice of
> Joyce Hatto is how I would have imagined it from the description given there
> (I am pretty sure it was the interview in there rather than somewhere else),
> so that would mean that, surely, a credible writer had interviewed her.
> Given all this, perhaps the plot just thickens more and more.
>
> I also want to know whose recording the Saint SAens 5th concerto is - there
> is no other that it similar, and it definitely isnt Collard...I think I have
> pretty much all the ones there are, and none of them sound alike...i just
>
>
> news:mbiqt255s47i322o4...@4ax.com...
>> On 21 Feb 2007 15:03:57 -0800, persp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> I would be
>>>interested to hear other people's impressions
>>>
>>>http://www.veledan.com/hatto/Joyce_Hatto_interview.mp3
>>
>
>
If somebody hired, say, the Rhenish Philharmonic
(a real orchestra, here are a few of their recordings)
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/orchestra/Rhenish+Philharmonic/a/Rhenish+Philharmonic.htm
would anybody in England know about it?
I don't say this happened, but even orchestral scuttlebutt doesn't
necessarly leak back to the home country when a "foreign" orchestra is
engaged for economioc (instead of a local, provincial one for
chauvanistic) reasons. Behind the Iron Curtain it used to be dirt cheap,
in fact, to hire one.
Brendan
Andrew Clarke
> Simon Roberts <s...@comcast.net> appears to have caused the following letters
> to be typed innews:erj14...@drn.newsguy.com:
> > No; Greenfield has rather breathy, fairly upper-class English accent.
>
> Richard Schultz hasn't chimed in, so I guess I have to say this for him:
>
> Does Greenfield excuse himself with, "No more buttered scones for me, Mater,
> I'm off to play the grahnd pyahno"?
Does Matthew excuse himself with "No momma, I don't wanna play
baseball with Abie Lipshits already, it's time for my piano practice"?
Andrew Clarke
Canberra
Andrew Clarke
> On 21 Feb 2007 19:06:59 -0800, Simon Roberts <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I also thought that neither her nor "Handley's" accent sounded
> >quite right (both seem oddly inconsistent), but at least in his case that should
> >be easy enough to check - has anyone reading this heard him speak?
>
> Very odd accent - especially the 'r's and some of the inonation. Maybe
> he's cornish.
Born in Enfield (a North London suburb) of Welsh parents, according to
Wikipedia. Has met Sir Adrian Boult, like Mr Watkins. The plot
thickens ...
ac
c
A. Brain
news:1172150019.1...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Reminding me of a classic thread that started out
as "recordings disfigured by cuts" and evolved
into "recordings disfigured by cats".
A. Brain
news:1172206027.1...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 22, 10:04 pm, "A. Brain" <abr...@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote:
>> I just listened to the radio interview and found it astounding.
>> What's
>> interviewer was probably in on the scam as well, he is so
>> over-the-top.
>> Elsewhere he is identified as Murray Khouri.
>
> No less an authority than Simon Roberts maintains that the interviewer
> on the BBC? interview is *not* Edward Greenfield. And he would know.
I guess I have not seen/heard that interview. It's not listed
on that site where I think most of the Hatto material can
be found by links:
http://www.andrys.com/hatto.html
> The Radio New Zealand interview is with Murray Khouri, who certainly
> does exist: I saw him play in Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time
> in Canberra some twenty years ago, when he was lecturer in clarinet at
> the Canberra School of Music.
I wonder where the Greenfield association or whatever it is
came from.
[snip]
> With respect to the interview itself, you have yourself posted that
> the United Kingdom is a police state. Well, would you feel comfortable
> interviewing anybody with the business end of an MI5 automatic
> pressing against the back of your neck?
And I think someone from the UK offered the comment
that the country has in fact become a police state,
with massive surveillance, etc.
These and other developments were well predicted
by George Orwell in several works. Bush and Blair
are just fulfilling prophecy. Bush apparently thinks
he is on a mission from God.
Kerry should have challenged him directly on
that in 2004. Just some bland pronouncement
like, "we cannot know; we have our faith to
guide us and God has spoken to us through
Scripture". Meanwhile, Bush was wired for
sound--was that God he was connected to?
Is it an impeachable offense to cheat in a debate?
http://tomwatson.typepad.com/tom_watson/2004/10/wired_for_sound.html
There's a book out here called LETTERS TO A
CHRISTIAN NATION, or something like that,
where the author comments that if the President
declared that God was talking to him through
a hair dryer, that would cause an immediate
constitutional crisis, but without the hair dryer
connection, there seems to be no problem.
tonym...@gmail.com
> I finally got finished listening to the entire Hatto interview. I had
> to listen to it in bits because the kiddies intervened. Daddy kept
> laughing himself silly and they wanted to know why. So I couldn't
> really listen properly until they went to bed.
>
> That interview was so delightfully fun I don't know where to begin. I
> was hoping it would never end. My favorite line was when Greenfield
> said when introducing her Schubert Impromptu,
>
> "One of the dangers of such a massive collection of an artist's work
> is that a terrible sameness can creep into all of the playing. Be
> assured that this is not the case here. This Schubert playing is at
> the level of a Clifford Curzon or an Artur Schnabel and - dare I even
> whisper? - better."
>
> When the Joyce Hatto story is eventually made into a movie - whether
> it be with the "Mother Bates" or "Baby Jane" plot - they can include
> this dialog without having to pay writers. Speaking of which, these
> recorded voice excerpts add a distinct new wrinkle, don't they? I
> don't really no what to make of them yet. The voice definitely
> strikes me as female and middle-aged to elderly. Very animated. I
> doubt any sort of voice shifter could achieve this from a male voice.
> So, it is extremely unlikely to me that it is Coupe de Fraud. But is
> it Joyce Hatto? Whoever it is, this woman is very convincing yet we
> know beyond a doubt that she is entirely full of shit. This is world-
> class acting whether it's Hatto or not. And the woman did NOT strike
> me as batty or delusional, unless her segments were heavily edited.
> Besides, it would be far too risky for CdF to put her on the radio if
> her marbles were gone.
>
> Did CdF find a partner in crime to help him pull off the con?
> Remember, she would never had to meet anybody. CdF could have
> provided her with a script and some notable anecdotes to tell, then
> asked her to speak very quickly and steer the conversation toward
> their pre-scripted points.
>
> I'm also not buying the cancer angle, because it's too damn convenient
> for the fraud. First, as has been mentioned, nobody has been known to
> suffer from cancer continually for 35 years, so it starts from a
> position of extreme implausibility. But think about what the
> invocation of cancer accomplishes:
>
> - It is a major PR hook for the entire story.
> - It is a pre-emptive reason to cut off in-person interview requests.
> Meetings can be set up and then cancelled at the last minute due to a
> sudden change in health without arousing suspicion. Studio interviews
> could be switched to phone interviews.
> - It pre-empts any notion of a potential live performance.
> - It provides an excuse of why her studio dates are irregular and
> never scheduled. Otherwise, some music industry insiders could ask to
> sit in the control booth (even Glenn Gould occasionally allowed
> invited guests into his control booth).
> - It practically acts as a "skepticism vaccine." It puts anyone who
> would even think to question the story immediately on the defensive.
> "How could you say this about such a poor old dying woman?" Don't you
> remember when the Alan Watkins posted on RMCR that she had been
> monitoring the group on her deathbed asking, "Why do all of these
> people hate me? Why are they saying such terrible things about me?"
> Think back on that now.
>
> And...the woman on the phone did not sound the slightest bit ill.
>
> Here's my current prediction: there's not going to be anything
> remotely sympathetic or psychologically complex about the truth. CdF
> was running a scam. There was no cancer, there was no living Joyce
> Hatto involved, there was no studio, there was no orchestra, there was
> no piano (Rachmaninoff's or otherwise), and there was no Santa Claus.
> There was a demented but determined elderly British con man with a
> nice record collection and access to a digital editing facility (with
> or without someone to help him edit), a phone, an internet account, a
> fake identity or two, and a female compatriot full or part-time, Joyce
> Hatto or otherwise.
>
> DF
I've got a colleague who had lessons with JH until relatively recently
before her death. She even gave him a 'white label' of the Liszt
Transcendental Studies. Just waiting for him to bring it along so we
can compare it with the Concert Artists version - who knows, maybe it
really is her...
According to Chris, JH was a quite amazing pianist and teacher and he
counted himself extremely lucky that she took him on. It was his love
of Bax which did it, he thought. He used to go to 12 Tall Trees for
the lessons. But was it Mr BC in drag, I hear you ask?
muchan
> before her death. She even gave him a 'white label' of the Liszt
> Transcendental Studies. Just waiting for him to bring it along so we
> can compare it with the Concert Artists version - who knows, maybe it
> really is her...
>
> According to Chris, JH was a quite amazing pianist and teacher and he
> counted himself extremely lucky that she took him on. It was his love
> of Bax which did it, he thought. He used to go to 12 Tall Trees for
> the lessons. But was it Mr BC in drag, I hear you ask?
Are you 100% sure that you are not Mr BC?
muchan
Walter Traprock
> > really *was* Joyce Hatto, she comes across as a wonderfully chatty and
> > lovely old lady. I could chat for her for hours and hours. Just being
> > careful not to drink the tea.
She was annoying on that radio interview, just a whole lot of blather.
> She is (or was) charming, wasn't she?
On the other hand, she does sound sexy.
Julia Liebetrau
> Hence I view the interview with very great suspicion. Mind you, if that
> really *was* Joyce Hatto, she comes across as a wonderfully chatty and
> lovely old lady.
But with a *terrible* voice. I had to stop listening to the interview
after 10 minutes, because I just couldn't stand her talking anymore.
There are some people I avoid only because of their unbearable voice -
this woman is one of them.
Julia
--
"I love mankind; it's people I can't stand." - Linus van Pelt
Simon Roberts
says...
>And I think someone from the UK offered the comment
>that the country has in fact become a police state,
>with massive surveillance, etc.
It might help if whoever is throwing around such allegations provided a
definition of "police state," not to mention an account of what is being
"massively" surveilled and some hint as to what's included in "etc."
Paradigmatic police states include East Germany and the Soviet Union. In what
pertinent ways do you think the UK is similar to them? Perhaps I'm just lucky,
or hopelessly unobservant, or perhaps they disguise it with a surprising degree
of success, but I can't say that I've ever been tempted to make the comparison
in any of my annual visits....
Simon
rw...@btinternet.com
> I've got a colleague who had lessons with JH until relatively recently
> before her death. She even gave him a 'white label' of the Liszt
> Transcendental Studies. Just waiting for him to bring it along so we
> can compare it with the Concert Artists version - who knows, maybe it
> really is her...
>
> According to Chris, JH was a quite amazing pianist and teacher and he
> counted himself extremely lucky that she took him on. It was his love
> of Bax which did it, he thought. He used to go to 12 Tall Trees for
Bizarre as the whole story is - and continues to get - can i point
people in the direction of Jessica Duchen's blog http://jessicamusic.blogspot.com/
Jessica is a good, reliable journo, so there is some truth here. What
is interesting is that "Joyce Hatto" had been attending Addenbrokes
for fourteen years. By my reckoning that puts her cancer starting at
1992 or thereabouts. Quite a long time after 1970 - or whenever it is
that she is supposed to have been diagnosed. Alway possible of course
that she was receiving other treatment elsewhere...
Gregory Arkadin
> Actually, Ramón, they tell me this site is OK. It is set up like that
> for reasons.
>
> Best,
>
> MrT
But the site is oddly registered to a company that conceals the real
owner of the domain. The company acknowledges it might be fronting for
illegal enterprises. It even has a link for its subpoena policy.
Andrej Kluge
horus_s...@yahoo.com schrieb:
> I know nothing about the company. I thought the link was a hoax (!)
> because you can't open the home page. but somebody I asked emailed me
> saying that it does have links that work, albeit in a strange way.
Incidentally, I found a link to a Sokoliv page on this site:
It maybe of interest for someone here.
Ciao
A.
TareeDawg
news:opfut25st2es522c7...@4ax.com...
> "TareeDawg" <rayt...@bigpond.com> - Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:52:35 +1100
> in rec.music.classical.recordings:
>
>> Mind you, if that
>> really *was* Joyce Hatto, she comes across as a wonderfully chatty and
>> lovely old lady.
>
??????????
Maybe you can tell us what your lovely Old Chap sounds like.
Ray H
Taree, NSW
TareeDawg
news:548s1jF...@mid.individual.net...
> TareeDawg wrote:
>
>> Hence I view the interview with very great suspicion. Mind you, if that
>> really *was* Joyce Hatto, she comes across as a wonderfully chatty and
>> lovely old lady.
>
> But with a *terrible* voice. I had to stop listening to the interview
> after 10 minutes, because I just couldn't stand her talking anymore.
>
> There are some people I avoid only because of their unbearable voice -
> this woman is one of them.
Her voice didn't bother me. What bothered me, was that this recording
sounded as if it was scripted, with no errors, no pauses, no mm's or ah's,
very bright and cheery, and almost certainly *not* the voice of a terminally
ill aged lady in her late seventies. Just think about it. The questions put
to her were designed not to ask her about any present developments, any
recent recordings, her present health, but designed purely and simply to get
whoever it was, talk about the past. It was simply unreal.
IMO, the whole thing is a fraud ... but then everything else about this
Hatto business seems to be one huge fraud. D'oh!!!! As if we didn't already
know.
<g>
Ray H
Taree, NSW
Peter Lemken
>
> Incidentally, I found a link to a Sokoliv page on this site:
>
> http://sokolov.veledan.com/
>
> It maybe of interest for someone here.
It is. Thank you.
Tony Overington
> Incidentally, I found a link to a Sokoliv page on this site:
>
> http://sokolov.veledan.com/
>
> It maybe of interest for someone here.
>
> Ciao
> A.
I reecall when this was offered to the Sokolov Yahoo group. If you
know the well-circulated Amsterdam performance of the same material,
you might be surprised to find how his Polonaise-Fantaisie at
Schwetzingen seems quite a bit heavier and slower in spite of only a
few months separating the performances. Same pianist for sure, but I
suspect every listener would prefer one of the performances over the
other, being as different as they seemed to me.
Brendan R. Wehrung
What do old women do but blather? (Hellen Mirren excepted, perhaps, and
she might take royal offense at being called old.)
Brendan
Andrej Kluge
Tony Overington schrieb:
> I reecall when this was offered to the Sokolov Yahoo group. If you
> know the well-circulated Amsterdam performance of the same material,
> you might be surprised to find how his Polonaise-Fantaisie at
> Schwetzingen seems quite a bit heavier and slower in spite of only a
> few months separating the performances.
I'm not very familiar with Sokolov -- I have only two of his Schubert
sonatas, and they are somewhat on the slow side too, so I wouldn't know him
any other way.
Ciao
A.
Peter Lemken
You are missing something.
Andrej Kluge
Peter Lemken schrieb:
>> I'm not very familiar with Sokolov -- I have only two of his Schubert
>> sonatas, and they are somewhat on the slow side too, so I wouldn't
>> know him any other way.
>
> You are missing something.
I wanted to restart on him with this downloadable recital, but the sound
quality is very poor, alas, so it's no actual pleasure to listen to. The
Hammerklavier is better, though. I'll keep on trying.
Thanks and Ciao
A.