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LaVirtuosa

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Apr 11, 2004, 1:20:36 AM4/11/04
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Finally got to meet Piotr
Anderszewski.

He performed two concertos,
Bach 5 BWV 1068 and
Haydn D minor, H.XVIII:11
Very fine playing.

He is irresistable
in every way. He has
quite a sense of humor,
and he is also gorgeous.
His Polish accent just
kills me.

********Val (He showed up
after the concert in black
leather pants)

sam6...@earthlink.net

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Apr 11, 2004, 1:28:08 AM4/11/04
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LaVirtuosa wrote:


> His Polish accent just kills me.

May I be the one to convey the news to Andrys?

regards,
SG

Dan Koren

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Apr 11, 2004, 2:02:57 AM4/11/04
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"LaVirtuosa" <LaVir...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Finally got to meet Piotr
> Anderszewski.
>
> He performed two concertos,
> Bach 5 BWV 1068 and
> Haydn D minor, H.XVIII:11
> Very fine playing.
>
> He is irresistable
> in every way. He has
> quite a sense of humor,
> and he is also gorgeous.
> His Polish accent just
> kills me.


Did you irresist him?

dk


Dan Koren

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Apr 11, 2004, 2:03:52 AM4/11/04
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>
>
> LaVirtuosa wrote:
>
>
> > His Polish accent just kills me.
>
> May I be the one to convey the news to Andrys?
>


The Irish-Polish love affair has
been going on for centuries.

They even share some of the same
jokes.

dk


Dan Koren

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Apr 11, 2004, 2:27:37 AM4/11/04
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>
>
> LaVirtuosa wrote:
>
>
> > His Polish accent just kills me.
>
> May I be the one to convey the news to Andrys?
>


A Polish Romeo and an American Juliet?


dk


Simon Smith

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Apr 11, 2004, 12:39:33 PM4/11/04
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LaVir...@aol.com (LaVirtuosa) wrote:

> Finally got to meet Piotr Anderszewski.
>
> He performed two concertos, Bach 5 BWV 1068 and Haydn D minor,
> H.XVIII:11 Very fine playing.
>
> He is irresistable in every way. He has quite a sense of humor, and he
> is also gorgeous. His Polish accent just kills me.

I see I'm not the only person who thinks so. :)

> ********Val (He showed up after the concert in black leather pants)

Oh dear. Now I'm even more jealous...

Simon
(who must now work even harder on his Polish)

--
Simon Smith "I am myself only in music. Music is enough
http://www.ingemisco.com for a whole lifetime - but a lifetime is not
enough for music." (Sergei Rachmaninov)

Dan Koren

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Apr 11, 2004, 2:13:11 PM4/11/04
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"Simon Smith" <sd...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> LaVir...@aol.com (LaVirtuosa) wrote:
>
> > Finally got to meet Piotr Anderszewski.
> >
> > He performed two concertos, Bach 5 BWV 1068 and Haydn D minor,
> > H.XVIII:11 Very fine playing.
> >
> > He is irresistable in every way. He has quite a sense of humor, and he
> > is also gorgeous. His Polish accent just kills me.
>
> I see I'm not the only person who thinks so. :)
>
> > ********Val (He showed up after the concert in black leather pants)
>
> Oh dear. Now I'm even more jealous...
>
> Simon
> (who must now work even harder on his Polish)


... or his leather pants...

dk


Lena

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Apr 11, 2004, 3:01:03 PM4/11/04
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LaVir...@aol.com (LaVirtuosa) wrote in message news:<fb0dfc23.0404...@posting.google.com>...

> Finally got to meet Piotr
> Anderszewski.
>
> He performed two concertos,
> Bach 5 BWV 1068 and
> Haydn D minor, H.XVIII:11
> Very fine playing.

This may not be a good question to ask post-leather-pants but can you
give more details about his playing?



> (He showed up
> after the concert in black
> leather pants)

How intellectual of him. :) (OK, what else was he wearing?!)

Lena

Dan Koren

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Apr 11, 2004, 3:49:18 PM4/11/04
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The urtext?

dk


XYZ XYZ

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Apr 12, 2004, 7:12:47 AM4/12/04
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Where was the concert?

Saw Thibaudet in leather pants too once. And
doesn't Thibaudet like to wear red socks as well?

Maybe it's a French/Parisian thing. :-) I seem
to have read somewhere that PA resides in Paris.

LaVir...@aol.com (LaVirtuosa) wrote in message news:<fb0dfc23.0404...@posting.google.com>...

Bill McCutcheon

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Apr 12, 2004, 1:25:18 PM4/12/04
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"XYZ XYZ" <cc1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Where was the concert?
>
Milwaukee, with Nicholas McGegan guest conducting. I also thought it
was an excellent concert, but didn't stay around for the "Talk Back"
afterwards.
-- Bill McC.


LaVirtuosa

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Apr 12, 2004, 1:59:32 PM4/12/04
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cc1...@hotmail.com (XYZ XYZ) wrote in message news:<6d2677a4.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> Where was the concert?

Milwaukee, Uihliein Hall.


>
> Saw Thibaudet in leather pants too once. And
> doesn't Thibaudet like to wear red socks as well?
>
> Maybe it's a French/Parisian thing.

I think it is.

LaVirtuosa

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Apr 12, 2004, 2:10:17 PM4/12/04
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lena_r...@yahoo.com (Lena) wrote in message news:<4b8442bf.04041...@posting.google.com>...

can you
> give more details about his playing?

His musicianship is advanced. I hope that
all of you get to hear his recordings. In
this live concert, he generated a lot of
electricity, something which you can never
experience on a cd. His Bach was entirely
fresh and brought the concert
grand to to its greatest potential within
the scope of Anderszewski's impeccable taste;
his Haydn was quite mischievous.
He tormented the conductor , Nicholas McGegan,
at one point, (in retrospect, I can see why, but
that's private).

************Val

>
> > (He showed up
> > after the concert in black
> > leather pants)
>
> How intellectual of him. :) (OK, what else was he wearing?!)

Oh, during the concert, just a plain black jacket.
I'm not sure that he had leather on at that time.
I didn't even look. I was just in awe of the
pianism, and also somewhat distracted by the exaggerated
conducting style of McGegan.

************Val

Alan Watkins

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Apr 12, 2004, 7:30:14 PM4/12/04
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and also somewhat distracted by the exaggerated
> conducting style of McGegan.
>
> ************Val

That's why we don't look at "one of the world's leading specialists in
baroque music". Not that it matters but he can't count either. I am
sure the recordings are lovely.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

Alpha_Omega

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Apr 12, 2004, 7:44:24 PM4/12/04
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Ivo Pogorelich was famous for his leather pants at one time. He wore a tux
each time I have seen him, however.

Lena

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Apr 12, 2004, 10:51:23 PM4/12/04
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LaVir...@aol.com (LaVirtuosa) wrote in message news:<fb0dfc23.04041...@posting.google.com>...

> lena_r...@yahoo.com (Lena) wrote in message news:<4b8442bf.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> can you
> > give more details about his playing?
>
> His musicianship is advanced.

OK, I'm not going to make any jokes here! I really do like his erhmsg
musicianship, btw.

> I hope that
> all of you get to hear his recordings. In
> this live concert, he generated a lot of
> electricity, something which you can never
> experience on a cd. His Bach was entirely
> fresh and brought the concert
> grand to to its greatest potential within
> the scope of Anderszewski's impeccable taste;
> his Haydn was quite mischievous.

Thanks very much! I'd really like to hear him do any Haydn.

> He tormented the conductor , Nicholas McGegan,
> at one point, (in retrospect, I can see why, but
> that's private).

?

Lena

Lena

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Apr 12, 2004, 11:09:33 PM4/12/04
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cc1...@hotmail.com (XYZ XYZ) wrote in message news:<6d2677a4.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> Where was the concert?
>
> Saw Thibaudet in leather pants too once. And
> doesn't Thibaudet like to wear red socks as well?
>
> Maybe it's a French/Parisian thing. :-)

It seems pretty much like a permanent fashion item there.

A favorite Paris tourist activity is to count black leather pants.
(Especially at artistic venues; Musee d'Orsay sported a record number
one day.) You can also count turtlenecks and scarves (but I think
this is a digression).

Coming back on topic, I entirely approve of black leather pants.
Especially on Parisians.

Lena

Bill McCutcheon

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Apr 13, 2004, 1:05:53 AM4/13/04
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"Lena" <lena_r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Re "tormenting" the conductor ... I suppose that's a reference to a
cadenza that went on a bit longer than McGegan expected. He stood
there with arms raised (no baton), the violinists sat with their
instruments under their chins and bows poised, and Anderszewski played
on for several moments, resulting in some glances back and forth. No
one seemed tormented, though; there were more smiles than frowns or
furrowed brows.

The Bach was very good, but I think I still prefer that on a
harpsichord. The Haydn was outstanding, reminded me of my favorite
recording of that, Zitterbart's.

-- Bill McC.


LaVirtuosa

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Apr 13, 2004, 1:29:13 AM4/13/04
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I wrote,

>> and also somewhat distracted by the exaggerated
>> conducting style of McGegan.

Alan Watkins wrote,

>That's why we don't look at "one of the world's leading specialists in
>baroque music". Not that it matters but he can't count either. I am
>sure the recordings are lovely.

He says he doesn't carry a baton
because he "doesn't count in sevens"
and so on.
I knew from the beginning, when the Bach concerto started, that he wasn't
leading. For one thing, you couldn't hear
any distinct counterpoint from the bass
section.


LaVirtuosa

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Apr 13, 2004, 1:37:21 AM4/13/04
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Lena wrote,

>> can you
>> > give more details about his playing?

I wrote,

>> His musicianship is advanced.

Lena wrote,

>OK, I'm not going to make any jokes here! I really do like his erhmsg
>musicianship, btw.

He has a combination of intelligence
and passion--it is very personal but
educated playing, everything under
control but daring, idiomatic but never
trite. He is not detached, but visceral. His interpretations
have a plan which is clearly laid out.
He has the confidence of a seasoned
master.

***************Val


LaVirtuosa

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Apr 13, 2004, 1:56:56 AM4/13/04
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Bill McCutcheon wrote,

>Re "tormenting" the conductor ... I suppose that's a reference to a
>cadenza that went on a bit longer than McGegan expected. He stood
>there with arms raised (no baton), the violinists sat with their
>instruments under their chins and bows poised, and Anderszewski played
>on for several moments, resulting in some glances back and forth. No
>one seemed tormented, though; there were more smiles than frowns or
>furrowed brows.

I laughed too, at the time--I even thought
it was something they had both planned. However, in retrospect, I think it
might have been Anderszewski's brand of warfare through jest..

>The Bach was very good, but I think I still prefer that on a
>harpsichord.

The piano certainly draws more interest to itself than the harpsichord (and
doesn't have that delightful buzz)
But anyone who doesn't think Bach liked to show off might do well to dust off
the Toccatas or the early virtuoso works for organ.
If JS was alive today, he'd head straight
for the biggest Steinway or Fazioli he could find (and he'd have a studio full
of gadgets like Glenn Gould).

> The Haydn was outstanding, reminded me of my favorite
>recording of that, Zitterbart's.

That turned out to be a complex
little thing. So many colors in
Anderszewski's hands. Everything
so very clear.

**************Val

LaVirtuosa

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Apr 13, 2004, 2:02:02 AM4/13/04
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Bill McCutcheon wrote,

> I also thought it
>was an excellent concert, but didn't stay around for the "Talk Back"
>afterwards.

I went to that and the signing. The talk
was slow to start. I really enjoy the
Baroque crowd--they're my type. But
they tend to be a bit quiet. There
are some things I'd like to say about
what went on, but not in a public forum.

****************Val

Bob Lombard

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Apr 13, 2004, 8:56:00 AM4/13/04
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On 12 Apr 2004 20:09:33 -0700, lena_r...@yahoo.com (Lena) wrote:


>Coming back on topic, I entirely approve of black leather pants.
>Especially on Parisians.
>
>Lena

Leather pants, when combined with the (purported) Parisian
determination to preserve water while supporting the French fragrance
industry, ought to make crowded bistros an olifactory 'experience'.

bl

Lena

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Apr 13, 2004, 11:40:54 AM4/13/04
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"Bill McCutcheon" <wjm...@earthlink.net> wrote

> >
> > Thanks very much! I'd really like to hear him do any Haydn.
> >
> > > He tormented the conductor , Nicholas McGegan,
> > > at one point, (in retrospect, I can see why, but
> > > that's private).
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Lena
>
> Re "tormenting" the conductor ... I suppose that's a reference to a
> cadenza that went on a bit longer than McGegan expected.

(laugh)

> He stood
> there with arms raised (no baton), the violinists sat with their
> instruments under their chins and bows poised, and Anderszewski played
> on for several moments, resulting in some glances back and forth. No
> one seemed tormented, though; there were more smiles than frowns or
> furrowed brows.

I'm glad to see Anderszewski doing classical jokes. (And this one is
probably at least as HIP as PDQ.)

>
> The Bach was very good, but I think I still prefer that on a
> harpsichord. The Haydn was outstanding, reminded me of my favorite
> recording of that, Zitterbart's.

Thanks! I'll watch out for this.

Lena

Lena

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Apr 13, 2004, 11:58:18 AM4/13/04
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>
> He has a combination of intelligence
> and passion--it is very personal but
> educated playing, everything under
> control but daring, idiomatic but never
> trite. He is not detached, but visceral. His interpretations
> have a plan which is clearly laid out.
> He has the confidence of a seasoned
> master.

Well... I wouldn't put it even close to that way. Par example, I
couldn't care less about his bleeping seasonings (or any of the rest
of it). :)

However, I do think he's an interesting pianist. How's that? :)

> ***************Val

$&#^$#$%#$#$%#($437483264$#$^$#%@$(@$.Lena
:)

Tom Deacon

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On 4/12/04 10:51 PM, in article
4b8442bf.04041...@posting.google.com, "Lena"
<lena_r...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> His musicianship is advanced.
>
>I really do like his musicianship.

What would that consist of, if it is not impolite to ask?

TD

Simon Roberts

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Apr 13, 2004, 11:40:27 AM4/13/04
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In article <8825993c27e33af1...@news.teranews.com>, Bob Lombard
says...

Plus, they won't stop smoking (the French, that is, not their pants). No doubt
a combination of black leather pants, scarves and turtlenecks would go down well
in your neck of the woods....

Simon

Tom Deacon

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On 4/13/04 1:37 AM, in article 20040413013721...@mb-m20.aol.com,
"LaVirtuosa" <lavir...@aol.com> wrote:

> He has a combination of intelligence
> and passion--it is very personal but
> educated playing, everything under
> control but daring, idiomatic but never
> trite. He is not detached, but visceral. His interpretations
> have a plan which is clearly laid out.
> He has the confidence of a seasoned
> master.

My experience - a recital in Paris last year - was quite different.
Affected, mannered playing, specially in Bach. I question, therefore, his
"education", as well as the "idioms" which he seems to pursue.

In point of fact his Bach reminds me a great deal of that of Murray Perahia
and our own Canadian Bachist. Very pretty stuff, but not at all to my taste,
Bach being anything but a "pretty" composer, in my opinion.

His recent Chopin recital was largely a disappointment; he was right to keep
away from Chopin for so long. One should always trust one's first instincts
in these matters and not give in to the pressure of record company
executives who naturally want a Polish pianist to play Chopin.

So, where does that leave one with PA? Haydn? OK. But I would have to hear
some solo things and he would face serious competition from Andsnes there.
Perhaps his Szymanowski is ne plus ultra?

TD

Dan Koren

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Apr 13, 2004, 12:46:38 PM4/13/04
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It obviously starts with his spielhosen.

dk


Lena

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Apr 13, 2004, 1:22:40 PM4/13/04
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Bob Lombard <mai...@sover.net> wrote in message news:<8825993c27e33af1...@news.teranews.com>...

> On 12 Apr 2004 20:09:33 -0700, lena_r...@yahoo.com (Lena) wrote:
>
>
> >Coming back on topic, I entirely approve of black leather pants.
> >Especially on Parisians.
> >
> >Lena
>
> Leather pants, when combined with the (purported) Parisian
> determination to preserve water while supporting the French fragrance
> industry,

I see your point about fragrances, but I think that this particular
purportion is pretty out of date... If it was ever a scientifically
verifiable purportion. :)

Lena

Lena

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Apr 13, 2004, 2:23:35 PM4/13/04
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Simon wrote:

[Bob:]


>>Leather pants, when combined with the (purported) Parisian
>>determination to preserve water while supporting the French
fragrance
>>industry, ought to make crowded bistros an olifactory 'experience'.
>

>Plus, they won't stop smoking (the French, that is, not their pants).
No doubt
>a combination of black leather pants, scarves and turtlenecks would
go down well
>in your neck of the woods....

Certainly, but you won't gain entry into the local Deer-and-beer club
unless you also sport nice fragrances.

Lena

Lena

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Apr 13, 2004, 2:39:26 PM4/13/04
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"Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 4/12/04 10:51 PM, in article
> 4b8442bf.04041...@posting.google.com, "Lena"
> <lena_r...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> His musicianship is advanced.
> >
> > I really do like his musicianship.
>
> What would that consist of,
> if it is not impolite to ask?
>

I actually mostly just look at specific performances, not grand
outlines of musicianship. So if you really want to know where I think
he succeeds - see below. (A not-too-detailed description extracted
from an earlier post on Diabelli variations.)

Lena

From old post, more or less:

Anderszewski's Diabellis - the best (I've heard) at simultaneously
conveying both the diversity and the coherence of the score.

Tempi vary more than in more traditional accounts, significant rubato
is used, and Anderszewski has a big dynamic range (which I think suits
this piece extremely well), but none of it is applied
arbitrarily. There may be minor objections, but I think
this is a significant recording of this piece, and it's extremely
successful IMO in bringing out the variety and invention in the
score as well as the coherence between variations. (For example, in
Vars. 1-6, despite the diversity of playing Anderszewski retains a
sense of
progress towards Var. 6.)

The minor objections: in some variations Anderszewski may sound too
studied and perhaps a little gimmicky; and at least one of these is a
key variation. (The beautiful Grave Var. 14 is very slow (and
unpedaled) here and doesn't come across perhaps with the same singing
"naturalness" as in the good traditional versions. However, I still
find Anderszewski's variation has the required emotional heft;
unnatural or natural...) Similarly, the traditional versions with
their more conservative tempo changes may sound more coherent to many
people.

Bob Lombard

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On 13 Apr 2004 11:23:35 -0700, lena_r...@yahoo.com (Lena) wrote:

>Simon wrote:
>
>[Bob:]
>>>Leather pants, when combined with the (purported) Parisian
>>>determination to preserve water while supporting the French fragrance
>>>industry, ought to make crowded bistros an olifactory 'experience'.
>>

[Simon]


>>Plus, they won't stop smoking (the French, that is, not their pants).
>> No doubt a combination of black leather pants, scarves and turtlenecks would
>>go down well in your neck of the woods....

Only in a 'ski town'.
>
[Lena]


>Certainly, but you won't gain entry into the local Deer-and-beer club
>unless you also sport nice fragrances.
>

I think you were told this by Samir.

bl

A.J. Robb

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Apr 13, 2004, 4:35:38 PM4/13/04
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I saw him "conduct" the Brandenburgs a few years ago, and he called
himself - actually, the role of a conductor in the Brandenburgs -
redundant.

I'm surprised that they even used a conductor for the Bach concerto,
though. Even if the pianist isn't a trained conductor, it can still
work well since the literature is more collaborative in nature than
later works in the format. Granted, he went to Mannes for conducting
(and composition) but Perahia conducted from the piano on his recent
Bach recordings, and the counterpoint (and everything else) is very
well done.

(pause for obligatory dk snyde remark....)

I've heard Anderszewski several times in concert - and each time he's
made a convincing case for modern, fairly romantic piano playing to
this HIPster. His Mozart PC 24 last summer at Ravinia was particularly
memorable. I think he's a wonderful pianist, though I haven't gotten
around to patronizing him on disc yet.

A.J.

LaVirtuosa

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Apr 13, 2004, 8:56:32 PM4/13/04
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Tom Deacon <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<BCA18830.AA9%deac...@yahoo.com>...

> My experience - a recital in Paris last year - was quite different.
> Affected, mannered playing, specially in Bach. I question, therefore, his
> "education", as well as the "idioms" which he seems to pursue.

He's sort of a maverick with Bach.
What is mannered to one
is organic to another.
It's always been like that.

> In point of fact his Bach reminds me a great deal of that of Murray Perahia
> and our own Canadian Bachist. Very pretty stuff, but not at all to my taste,
> Bach being anything but a "pretty" composer, in my opinion.

More spritz
than Perahia;
maybe Gould,
as if he had
grown up.

>
> His recent Chopin recital was largely a disappointment; he was right to keep
> away from Chopin for so long. One should always trust one's first instincts
> in these matters and not give in to the pressure of record company
> executives who naturally want a Polish pianist to play Chopin.


Depends on what
you're looking for,
Tom. There are many
levels on which to
enjoy Chopin, and
different aspects
to study. The first
thing I noticed
was a sense of air--
that is, not pushing--
and also his own
finely-carved
structural plan, honed
to perfection. I
found big emotions,
but judged for their
appropriateness within
the context.

>
> So, where does that leave one with PA?

He already has
a specialized
following
of sophisticated
connoisseurs,
and a few...well...
...ordinary...
people as well.

*********Val

Tom Deacon

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On 4/13/04 8:56 PM, in article
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<LaVir...@aol.com> wrote:

Yeah, for the leather-pants crowd.

TD

Dan Koren

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I doubt it. PA is too cerebral to produce good Szymanowski.

He is essentially a Polish Brendel.


dk

Tom Deacon

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On 4/14/04 4:24 AM, in article
c1c5ead9.04041...@posting.google.com, "Dan Koren"

<dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I doubt it. PA is too cerebral to produce good Szymanowski.
>
> He is essentially a Polish Brendel.

Well he does certainly seem to have the same effect on the ladies, Koren.

Apart from that, I think the comparison falls apart. Brendel never furnished
his apartment with a sleeping bag and a racing bicycle.

TD

LaVirtuosa

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I wrote,

>> He already has
>> a specialized
>> following
>> of sophisticated
>> connoisseurs,
>> and a few...well...
>> ...ordinary...
>> people as well.

Tom wrote,

>Yeah, for the leather-pants crowd.

There's some truth to that.
Urban chic is already a cliche,
but we usually associate leather
with the young and restless.
I would fully expect him to
challenge musical authority
in the future based on what I've
heard so far.

******************Val


LaVirtuosa

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Apr 14, 2004, 11:23:53 AM4/14/04
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dan Koren wrote,

>He is essentially a Polish Brendel.

Somewhat, yes. I should tell you
that I'm a Brendel fan.

**************Val


LaVirtuosa

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Apr 14, 2004, 11:28:02 AM4/14/04
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Dan Koren wrote,

>> He is essentially a Polish Brendel.

Tom Deacon wrote,

>Well he does certainly seem to have the same effect on the ladies, Koren.
>
>Apart from that, I think the comparison falls apart. Brendel never furnished
>his apartment with a sleeping bag and a racing bicycle.

Well, mine is furnished with a 500lb-capacity utility cart and a "Milwaukee
Electric" pruning saw.
What does that say about
me?

****************Val


Dan Koren

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Apr 14, 2004, 2:49:29 PM4/14/04
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> On 13 Apr 2004 11:23:35 -0700, lena_r...@yahoo.com (Lena) wrote:
>
> >Simon wrote:
> >
> >[Bob:]
> >>>Leather pants, when combined with the (purported) Parisian
> >>>determination to preserve water while supporting the French fragrance
> >>>industry, ought to make crowded bistros an olifactory 'experience'.
> >>
> [Simon]
> >>Plus, they won't stop smoking (the French, that is, not their pants).
> >> No doubt a combination of black leather pants, scarves and turtlenecks would
> >>go down well in your neck of the woods....
>
> Only in a 'ski town'.
>
 
 
And what are you talking about?
 
Skiers wear Gore-Tex!
 
 
 
dk

Dan Koren

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Apr 14, 2004, 2:54:48 PM4/14/04
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"LaVirtuosa" <lavir...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040414112205...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> I wrote,
>
> >> He already has
> >> a specialized
> >> following
> >> of sophisticated
> >> connoisseurs,
> >> and a few...well...
> >> ...ordinary...
> >> people as well.
>
> Tom wrote,
>
> > Yeah, for the leather-pants crowd.
>
> There's some truth to that. 
> Urban chic is already a cliche,
 
In Milwaukee?
 
You gotta be kiddin'....
 
 
 
dk

Dan Koren

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Apr 14, 2004, 2:55:57 PM4/14/04
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"Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:BCA2A354.CD7%deac...@yahoo.com...
And how would you know that?
 
Did you sleep on the bicycle?
 
 
 
dk

Dan Koren

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Apr 14, 2004, 2:57:17 PM4/14/04
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> "Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
news:BCA18671.AA7%deac...@yahoo.com...
> > On 4/12/04 10:51 PM, in article
> >
4b8442bf.04041...@posting.google.com, "Lena"
> > <
lena_r...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> His musicianship is advanced.
> > >
> > > I really do like his musicianship.
> >
> > What would that consist of,
> > if it is not impolite to ask?
>
> I actually mostly just look at specific
> performances, not grand outlines of
> musicianship. 
 
 
 
If you don't pontificate enough people
eventually stop paying attention....
 
 
dk

Dan Koren

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Apr 14, 2004, 2:58:53 PM4/14/04
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"LaVirtuosa" <lavir...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040413020202...@mb-m20.aol.com...
> Bill McCutcheon wrote,
>
> > I also thought it was an
> > excellent concert, but didn't
> > stay around for the "Talk
> > Back" afterwards.
>
> I went to that and the signing. 
> The talk was slow to start.  I
> really enjoy the Baroque crowd
> --they're my type. 
 
 
Did you wear a powdered wig?
 
 
 
dk

Tom Deacon

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Apr 14, 2004, 3:15:50 PM4/14/04
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On 4/14/04 11:22 AM, in article
20040414112205...@mb-m02.aol.com, "LaVirtuosa"
<lavir...@aol.com> wrote:

>we usually associate leather
> with the young and restless.
> I would fully expect him to
> challenge musical authority
> in the future based on what I've
> heard so far.

He would have to know what the authority was first, I think.

PA is more of a "free bird of youth". I am not sure he puts his ideas into
any musical context other than that of his own mind. Which is my problem
with his playing, I think.

He and Martha admire each other - at least on one level - but PA is NO
Martha Argerich. Not by a very long shot.

I will hand you this, though, Val. I would rather hear a dozen concerts by
PA than a single piece by Lang Lang. As MA has said - and in print - "I just
don't get it!"

TD

Tom Deacon

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Apr 14, 2004, 3:16:54 PM4/14/04
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On 4/14/04 11:28 AM, in article
20040414112802...@mb-m02.aol.com, "LaVirtuosa"
<lavir...@aol.com> wrote:

That you are writing a screenplay entitled "The Wisconsin Chainsaw
Massacre"!

TD

Tom Deacon

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On 4/14/04 2:55 PM, in article 407d893a$1...@news.meer.net, "Dan Koren" <dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:


"Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com <mailto:deac...@yahoo.com> > wrote in message news:BCA2A354.CD7%deac...@yahoo.com <news:BCA2A354.CD7%deac...@yahoo.com> ...

> On 4/14/04 4:24 AM, in article

> <dank...@yahoo.com <mailto:dank...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
>  
> > I doubt it. PA is too cerebral to produce good Szymanowski.
> >
> > He is essentially a Polish Brendel.
>
> Well he does certainly seem to have
> the same effect on the ladies, Koren.
>
> Apart from that, I think the comparison
> falls apart. Brendel never furnished his
> apartment with a sleeping bag and a racing
> bicycle.
 
>And how would you know that?

I keep my eyes open.

TD


Larry Friedman

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Apr 14, 2004, 3:49:48 PM4/14/04
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"Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Agreed on both points. As far as Anderszewski not being an Argerich, I'd not
only agree but also send up a cheer.

As for Bang Bang: get it? What's to get?
-Larry


sam6...@earthlink.net

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Apr 14, 2004, 4:05:57 PM4/14/04
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Larry Friedman wrote:

> As for Bang Bang: get it? What's to get?
> -Larry

He's not that bad, Larry. [Tastelessly] over-promoted, probably at the
expense of more deserving youngans I wouldn't know, possibly. He is a
good pianist, though.

regards,
SG

Tom Deacon

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On 4/14/04 3:49 PM, in article gIadnUpklaN...@adelphia.com, "Larry
Friedman" <dis...@adelphia.net> wrote:

That is, sort of, the point, I guess.

TD

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Tom Deacon

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On 4/14/04 8:07 PM, in article
49087db9.04041...@posting.google.com, "Mnemo Syne"
<memori...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Time was, some Fifteen years ago, when the venerable Forum was
> populated mainly by Dishevelled Academics. Your Humble Servant is not
> sure that their replacement by Horny Groupies is a Palpable
> Improvement.

Are you speaking for yourself? Or is that comment directed at specific
members of this "venerable forum"?

TD

LaVirtuosa

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Apr 15, 2004, 12:27:39 AM4/15/04
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I wrote,

>> >> He already has
>> >> a specialized
>> >> following
>> >> of sophisticated
>> >> connoisseurs,
>> >> and a few...well...
>> >> ...ordinary...
>> >> people as well.

>> Tom wrote,

>> > Yeah, for the leather-pants crowd.

I wrote,

>> Urban chic is already a cliche,

Dan wrote,


>
>In Milwaukee?
>
>You gotta be kiddin'....

The Alterra coffee house,
especially the one on Prospect.
I should have invited Piotr ride
go over there.

**********Val

LaVirtuosa

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Apr 15, 2004, 12:46:27 AM4/15/04
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Tom deacon wrote,

> Apart from that, I think the comparison falls apart. Brendel never furnished
>>> his apartment with a sleeping bag and a racing bicycle.

I wrote,


>> Well, mine is furnished with a 500lb-capacity utility cart and a "Milwaukee
>> Electric" pruning saw.
>> What does that say about
>> me?
>
>That you are writing a screenplay entitled "The Wisconsin Chainsaw
>Massacre"!

No chains. It's a reciprocating saw.

.

Dan Koren

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"Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Or enacting it.

Methinks I will be
avoiding Milwaukee.

dk


Dan Koren

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"LaVirtuosa" <lavir...@aol.com> wrote in message
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A sort of electrical canon?

dk


Dan Koren

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Re: Piotr Anderszewski
Can your eyes tell the difference
between a bicyle and an urtext?

dk

Dan Koren

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"LaVirtuosa" <lavir...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Coffee has reached Milwaukee?

dk


Dan Koren

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"Tom Deacon" <deac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> He and Martha admire each other
> - at least on one level -


How do you know it's only one level?

dk


Dan Koren

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<sam6...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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His Rachmaninov is atrocious.

dk


XYZ XYZ

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I agree with you, SG. Since his CH CD was on the listening
station at Tower, I gave it a try and listened to a couple
of minutes. Actually thought that it was good, but I didn't
buy it.

I heard LL once in a concert and had no great desire to
hear him again, so I skipped the CH recital. But now I'm
beginning to think that he's not that bad. Perhaps he
attracts the strong criticism because of the "tasteless"
promotion, and I, for one, could not stand his theatrical
gestures while he performed.

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