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Bob Harper
Sep 30, 2011, 10:12:09 PM9/30/11
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I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments, and I think the
subject needs the observations of others.
> The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
> first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
> command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
> direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
> only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
> movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
> the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
> understand too much of the time.
>
> I've not heard Honeck's earlier Mahler 1, but I have heard, via
> download, a live performance of the 5th given by the PSO at the
> Philharmonie in Berlin on Sept. 11 which to me confirmed his stature
> as a very fine Mahler conductor. I note that a recording of the Mahler
> 3 is now available as well. If it's as good as the 4th and 5th, it
> will be pretty special.
Anybody?
Bob Harper
subject needs the observations of others.
> The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
> first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
> command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
> direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
> only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
> movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
> the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
> understand too much of the time.
>
> I've not heard Honeck's earlier Mahler 1, but I have heard, via
> download, a live performance of the 5th given by the PSO at the
> Philharmonie in Berlin on Sept. 11 which to me confirmed his stature
> as a very fine Mahler conductor. I note that a recording of the Mahler
> 3 is now available as well. If it's as good as the 4th and 5th, it
> will be pretty special.
Anybody?
Bob Harper
M forever
Sep 30, 2011, 11:06:05 PM9/30/11
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On Sep 30, 10:12 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments,
That's probably because nobody is interested to read what you think
> I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments,
about Mahler performances, Bob.
> and I think the
> subject needs the observations of others.
>
> > The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
> > first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
> > command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
> > direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
> > only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
> > movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
> > the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
> > understand too much of the time.
aren't qualified to judge the German diction of that singer, no more
than you are to judge how "pure" somebody's Spanish is or not. As we
have seen, you just pretended to have that skill, and I knew already
that you have no clue about German, so why go on pretending?
BTW, her diction is fine. I don't quite like the style of her singing,
but that's a different criticism.
Bob Harper
Oct 1, 2011, 2:13:11 AM10/1/11
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you'd gone all mushy on us.
Bob Harper
Gerard
Oct 1, 2011, 4:16:32 AM10/1/11
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M forever wrote:
> On Sep 30, 10:12 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments,
>
> That's probably because nobody is interested to read what you think
> about Mahler performances, Bob.
That's right when you translate: "nobody" = "M forever".
> On Sep 30, 10:12 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments,
>
> That's probably because nobody is interested to read what you think
> about Mahler performances, Bob.
>
> > and I think the
> > subject needs the observations of others.
> >
> > > The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO.
> > > The first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard.
> > > Honeck's command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's
> > > response to his direction, and the recording quality (either CD
> > > or SA-CD, which I've only heard in 2-channel form) combine to
> > > stunning effect. The fourth movement is equally wonderful
> > > orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with the diction of Sunhae Im;
> > > the text is difficult if not impossible to understand too much of
> > > the time.
>
> That's because it's in a foreign language you don't understand. You
> aren't qualified to judge the German diction of that singer, no more
> than you are to judge how "pure" somebody's Spanish is or not. As we
> have seen, you just pretended to have that skill, and I knew already
> that you have no clue about German, so why go on pretending?
Al Eisner
Oct 3, 2011, 6:03:16 PM10/3/11
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to have worked well. :)
--
Al Eisner
jrsnfld
Oct 3, 2011, 7:05:29 PM10/3/11
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to say. :-(
I'm a Honeck fan, if such a thing exists. His handling of "Pictures at
an Exhibition" at the PSO's season opener broadcast a week ago was
typical of him--it was far from a run-through without being
"controversial" in any way. Everything (except one little complaint
about the opening solo) seemed worth savoring.
He's stylish in everything from Mozart and Haydn to Tchaikovsky to
Mahler to Braunfels to ....ok, if that's not an impressive range one
way or the other, let's just say I'm eager for more.
But...I haven't heard the Mahler 4 disc and if I have a Mahler 4 by
him otherwise in digital form, I don't think I've listened to it yet.
--Jeff
operafan
Oct 4, 2011, 2:58:55 PM10/4/11
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On Sep 30, 10:12 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments, and I think the
> subject needs the observations of others.
>
> > The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
> > first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
> > command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
> > direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
> > only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
> > movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
> > the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
> > understand too much of the time.
< Bob Harper
> subject needs the observations of others.
>
> > The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
> > first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
> > command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
> > direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
> > only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
> > movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
> > the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
> > understand too much of the time.
I have a download mp3 of the live performance of Mahler 3 from which
the Exton recording was made. I really, really liked it. The first
movement is sprawling and feels endless unless the conductor keeps the
musical argument flowing and **going** somewhere. Honeck definitely
does. I like the well characterized woodwind playing throughout, and
the strings are fine. The sound on the mp3 download I have is quite
good, and I'm sure the Exton is much better. This performance is among
my favorite Mahler 3 performances (which include the 1982 or 1983
Kerstmatinee live performance by Haitink/Amsterdam, the Chailly
recording, Zander, and Maazel/Vienna Phil).
I liked Honeck's Mahler 4, and I agree with you about the soprano's
mushy diction. I have a Honeck Mahler 2 download, but the sound is
very rough. Bob, I also heard the Mahler 5 performance that Honeck
conducted in Berlin last month (it's on youtube). I thought it was
worthy, but I didn't get anything new or unusual from listening to it.
My favorite M5's are Solti/Chicago (despite the multi-mics), Bernstein/
NY, Chailly, and the Haitink live performance from the Kerstmatinee
box set.
M forever
Oct 4, 2011, 5:28:15 PM10/4/11
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On Oct 4, 2:58 pm, operafan <peter.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 10:12 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:> I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments, and I think the
> > subject needs the observations of others.
>
> > > The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
> > > first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
> > > command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
> > > direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
> > > only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
> > > movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
> > > the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
> > > understand too much of the time.
>
> < Bob Harper
>
> I have a download mp3 of the live performance of Mahler 3 from which
> the Exton recording was made.
That was offered on Concertarchive, but the file is not available
> On Sep 30, 10:12 pm, Bob Harper <bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:> I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments, and I think the
> > subject needs the observations of others.
>
> > > The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
> > > first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
> > > command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
> > > direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
> > > only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
> > > movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
> > > the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
> > > understand too much of the time.
>
> < Bob Harper
>
> I have a download mp3 of the live performance of Mahler 3 from which
> the Exton recording was made.
anymore. Can you re-upload that?
Bob Harper
Oct 4, 2011, 6:25:25 PM10/4/11
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On 10/4/11 2:28 PM, M forever wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2:58 pm, operafan<peter.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 30, 10:12 pm, Bob Harper<bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:> I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments, and I think the
>>> subject needs the observations of others.
>>
>>>> The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
>>>> first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
>>>> command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
>>>> direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
>>>> only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
>>>> movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
>>>> the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
>>>> understand too much of the time.
>>
>> < Bob Harper
>>
>> I have a download mp3 of the live performance of Mahler 3 from which
>> the Exton recording was made.
>
> That was offered on Concertarchive, but the file is not available
> anymore. Can you re-upload that?
Second the request, but I note that most of the PSO/Honeck links on
> On Oct 4, 2:58 pm, operafan<peter.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 30, 10:12 pm, Bob Harper<bob.har...@comcast.net> wrote:> I've retitled this from WHYBL as there were no comments, and I think the
>>> subject needs the observations of others.
>>
>>>> The Mahler 4 on Exton with Manfred Honeck and the Pittsburgh SO. The
>>>> first three movements are about as good as I've ever heard. Honeck's
>>>> command of every detail of the score, his orchestra's response to his
>>>> direction, and the recording quality (either CD or SA-CD, which I've
>>>> only heard in 2-channel form) combine to stunning effect. The fourth
>>>> movement is equally wonderful orchestrally, but I'm disappointed with
>>>> the diction of Sunhae Im; the text is difficult if not impossible to
>>>> understand too much of the time.
>>
>> < Bob Harper
>>
>> I have a download mp3 of the live performance of Mahler 3 from which
>> the Exton recording was made.
>
> That was offered on Concertarchive, but the file is not available
> anymore. Can you re-upload that?
Concertarchive are unavailable. Has the orchestra (or Honeck) made
objection?
Bob Harper
operafan
Oct 5, 2011, 8:32:04 AM10/5/11
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On Oct 4, 5:28 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That was offered on Concertarchive, but the file is not available
> anymore. Can you re-upload that?
Sorry, I don't know what Concertarchive is.
> That was offered on Concertarchive, but the file is not available
> anymore. Can you re-upload that?
M forever
Oct 5, 2011, 2:45:03 PM10/5/11
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recordings or transfers of long OOP LPs there for download. Where did
you find yours?
operafan
Oct 5, 2011, 5:41:36 PM10/5/11
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M forever
Oct 5, 2011, 6:08:45 PM10/5/11
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On Oct 5, 5:41 pm, operafan <peter.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 2:45 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 5, 8:32 am, operafan <peter.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 4, 5:28 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > That was offered on Concertarchive, but the file is not available
> > > > anymore. Can you re-upload that?
>
> > > Sorry, I don't know what Concertarchive is.
>
> > It's a file sharing group on Yahoo. People offer (mostly) live radio
> > recordings or transfers of long OOP LPs there for download. Where did
> > you find yours?
>
> http://klacknermusic.wordpress.com/2011/03/27/something-to-listen-to-...
> On Oct 5, 2:45 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 5, 8:32 am, operafan <peter.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 4, 5:28 pm, M forever <ms1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > That was offered on Concertarchive, but the file is not available
> > > > anymore. Can you re-upload that?
>
> > > Sorry, I don't know what Concertarchive is.
>
> > It's a file sharing group on Yahoo. People offer (mostly) live radio
> > recordings or transfers of long OOP LPs there for download. Where did
> > you find yours?
>
That's the same link posted by the same person as on Symphonyshare.
Unfortunately, it is dead. Guess who posted the last comment "Sounds
worth checking out, but the file is already deleted from Rapidshare… :-
( "
Can you upload the file somewhere?
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