Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony: favorite recordings?
Dan Amodeo
It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
While we're at it, I would also like to know about favorite recordings of
the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
station is playing.
Dan Amodeo
phlmae...@yahoo.com
I'm sure you'll get plenty of recommendations for Mravinsky's stereo
recording of the fourth symphony with the Leningrad Philharmonic on
DG. That's also my favorite.
A couple other very good ones are Szell with the London Symphony and
Karajan's 70s recording with the Berlin Philharmonic.
Barry
ansermetniac
Argenta SRO 1955
Cantelli NBC 1954 live
Abbedd
John Bryant
That's a difficult one! Personally, I'd go for Jansons/Oslo PO, with
Mravinsky in hot pursuit. R & J is more difficult as there are
zillions of recordings of this piece. My choice would be Adrian Leaper/
RPO on Naxos. Excellent performance and very well recorded.
JB.
Gerard
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony,
> Solti/CSO/London. It's not bad, but I think I've heard other
> performances of this symphony that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate
> hearing about favorite recordings.
For works like this, with so many good recordings available, I find it always
difficult to talk about a favorite one.
But in this case there's one I like to hear once a year at least: Szell (Decca);
whitehot (the recording Szell did not want to be issued).
And there's Mravinsky (DG), Markevitch (Philips), Abbado (DG), Rozhdestvensky
(Brilliant Classics).
>
> While we're at it, I would also
> like to know about favorite recordings of the Romeo and Juliet
> Overture,
Too many.
John Bryant
> For works like this, with so many good recordings available, I find it always
> difficult to talk about a favorite one.
> But in this case there's one I like to hear once a year at least: Szell (Decca);
> whitehot (the recording Szell did not want to be issued).
.
I once read something about the Szell recording. Apparently, the Decca
team weren't very happy with the session and they deliberately
recorded it with a very dull sound. When Szell heard the result, he
stormed back to the orchestra and unleashed hell, musically speaking!
JB.
Will Vaughan
I would agree with all the above if it is the Karajan/EMI and add
Muti/EMI, Fricsay/DG and the Beecham off of his Great Conductors
set.
Gerard
> On May 23, 6:53 pm, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > For works like this, with so many good recordings available, I find
> > it always difficult to talk about a favorite one.
> > But in this case there's one I like to hear once a year at least:
> > Szell (Decca); whitehot (the recording Szell did not want to be
> > issued).
> .
>
> I once read something about the Szell recording. Apparently, the Decca
> team weren't very happy with the session and they deliberately
> recorded it with a very dull sound.
I thought they _reproduced_ it with dull sound.
I don't know about 'not being happy' with the session. They provoked Szell to do
it again, assuming he would do it "better" then.
> When Szell heard the result, he
> stormed back to the orchestra and unleashed hell, musically speaking!
>
>
And then he didn't want it to be issued ("over my dead body", and that's what
they did, they said - but I'm not sure; I had this recording on LP with Szell
still alive - but I'm not sure, as I said).
Todd Schurk
No-you didn't. The first LP release was in 1972. Szell died in '70.
Todd S.
Todd Schurk
and btw....I like Markevitch/Lso in the Tchaikovsky 4th.
John Bryant
>
> I thought they _reproduced_ it with dull sound.
> I don't know about 'not being happy' with the session. They provoked Szell to do
> it again, assuming he would do it "better" then.
Yes indeed, "reproduced". Sorry!
> > When Szell heard the result, he
> > stormed back to the orchestra and unleashed hell, musically speaking!
>
> And then he didn't want it to be issued ("over my dead body", and that's what
> they did, they said - but I'm not sure; I had this recording on LP with Szell
> still alive - but I'm not sure, as I said).
It was reissued over his dead body, but I'm not sure about the
original LP either.
JB.
Gerard
>
> It was reissued over his dead body, but I'm not sure about the
> original LP either.
>
I had 2 versions on LP.
An English Decca issue (in the SPA series).
And a German one (IIRC made by Teldec).
I thought the English issue was the "original"; in a budget series!
phlmae...@yahoo.com
>
It was the DG Karajan 70s recording; not the one on EMI (which I
haven't heard). Overall, I prefer the Mravinsky and Szell recordings,
but the finale in that Karajan DG recording is taken at such a break-
neck pace, that it's a lot of fun to listen to.
Paul Goldstein
The greatest R&J I've ever heard is the stereo Scherchen on Westminster, a
visionary performance unlike any other. Munch/BSO also ranks very high for me -
probably the best conventional performance ever recorded.
I also have a clear favorite for the 4th Symphony - the stereo
Mravinsky/Leningrad. There are many other great ones, including Gatti/RPO,
Bernstein/NYP (DGG remake), Argenta/Decca, Albert Wolff/Decca, Mengelberg,
Koussevitzky, Monteux/BSO . . .
GMS
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings. Dan Amodeo
No doubt it's because I've tired of playing the piece, but I've gotta
put in a vote for the Stokowski/Philadelphia recording from the late
'20's. Yes, some may call Stoki's way with Tchaikovsky 4
"perverse" (especially the American Symphony performance and, to a
lesser degree the NBC) but I enjoy what he brings to the work!
Gary Stucka
Cellist, Chicago Symphony Orchestra
Thomas Liebert
I have most of the recordings of the 4th that others have already
recommended and I mostly agree with their recommendations.
Two additional recordings of the 4th that I really like are (1) Serge
Koussevitzky and the Boston Symphony (RCA - April 26, 1949); (2) Eugene
Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra (Columbia - December 23, 1953).
Two of my favorite recordings of R&J are (1) Toscanini & the NBC
Symphony (RCA - April 8, 1946); (2) Charles Munch & the Boston Symphony
(RCA - April 3, 1961).
Thomas Liebert
John Bryant
> I had 2 versions on LP.
> An English Decca issue (in the SPA series).
> And a German one (IIRC made by Teldec).
> I thought the English issue was the "original"; in a budget series!
No, all the SPAs were reissues, sometimes reissues of reissues. Teldec
produces discs for other companies too, BIS, for example. I don't have
the original LP any more and I can't remember which issue I had.
Anyway, as I have 5 recordings of no. 4, I think I'll survive for a
while.
JB.
Gerard
> On May 23, 7:31 pm, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I had 2 versions on LP.
> > An English Decca issue (in the SPA series).
> > And a German one (IIRC made by Teldec).
> > I thought the English issue was the "original"; in a budget series!
>
> No, all the SPAs were reissues, sometimes reissues of reissues.
Are you sure?
I remember that I've read something about this one being an exception (a
nouveauté: a first issue in a budget series).
John Bryant
> Are you sure?
> I remember that I've read something about this one being an exception (a
> nouveauté: a first issue in a budget series).
Well yes, there are exceptions sometimes. EMI Eminence, for example -
a mid-price first issue. I had in mind Solti's recording of 4 Suppé
overtures with the VPO. This was released as a full-price SXL disc,
then reissued on Decca Ace of Diamonds, and later reissued again on
SPA. But it's quite possible that Decca released the Tchaikovsky SPA
as a first issue or "nouveauté ".
JB.
Lawrence Chalmers
R&J- 2nd Scherchen/Westminster
PIT 4th - Kubelik/CSO/Mercury
Availability (sadly) hardly none
Lawrence Chalmers
phlmae...@yahoo.com
>
> Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra (Columbia - December 23, 1953).
>
I was able to get copies of Ormandy's early 50s Tchaikovsky recordings
a while back (there is also a late 40s fourth) and had some serious
problems with the fourth. I'll have to give it another shot. I did
think the 5th they made from 1950 is sensational and the early 50s 6th
has some great high points too. In fact, while we're at it, I'll throw
in their R&J Overture from the eary 50s as a response to the initial
post. I also like Ormandy's RCA R&J from the 70s.
Thomas Wood
"Dan Amodeo" <NotMyA...@example.com> wrote in message
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I have Muti/Philharmonia/EMI and Markevitch/LSO/Phillips, and have to say
that's probably all the Tchai 4 I want. Well, maybe sometime I should get a
recording done by Russians.
Tom Wood
dav...@gmail.com
> the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
I picked up Munch on Lp a few weeks ago (my first stereo shaded dog!),
and it's quite wonderful. It's been released several times on CD in
the U.S, always coupled with the Tchaikovsky 6th (except for the XRCD,
which has the original Til Eulenspiegel coupling). Here's a recent
Japanese issue
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1214947
Dave Cook
Paul Goldstein
phlmae...@yahoo.com says...
>
>On May 23, 2:54=A0pm, Thomas Liebert <talx...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra (Columbia - December 23, 1953).
>> Thomas Liebert
>>
>I was able to get copies of Ormandy's early 50s Tchaikovsky recordings
>a while back (there is also a late 40s fourth) and had some serious
>problems with the fourth. I'll have to give it another shot.
I am a big fan of Ormandy's early 1950s monaural Columbia recordings, but I
agree with you that his Tchaikovsky 4 from that period is disappointing - a
half-baked interpretation full of puzzling choices of tempo and emphasis. I
don't think any better of the Columbia stereo remake.
BrianK
conducted by Claudio Abbado, which comes with an equally fine
performance of the 2nd. The recording is pretty good too. For a really
hyper experience the London SO conducted by George Szell is the one to
hear I think, but there is almost no moderation of the tension so it
can be wearing. Mravinsky and Stokowski in their different ways also
make compelling listening.
BK
ansermetniac
For Music, try Argenta and the superb expression he gets from the SRO
Abbedd
Russ and/or Martha Oppenheim
"BrianK" <brian...@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> My own favourite when I want to hear this symphony is the Berlin PO
> conducted by Claudio Abbado, which comes with an equally fine
I believe the Abbado Tchaik 4 is with the VPO, but agree 100% that these are
fine recordings. The coupling of Symphonies 2 & 4 was issued twice by DG;
the earlier one had some sort of editing glitch in the finale of #2 that
snipped half a bar - the later issue (431 604-2) is OK.
I have more 4ths than any other Tchaikovsky symphony. Besides Abbado,
especially like:
Cantelli / NBC
Maazel / Cleveland (CBS)
Maazel / BPO (DG) - very fast finale!
Russ (not Martha)
Neil
> It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
> While we're at it, I would also like to know about favorite recordings of
>
> Dan Amodeo
The Karajan Berlin Philharmonic on Angel-EMI. On this recording, the
second movement is heavenly -- I've never heard a performance that
comes close to it. Karajan's ending of the first section of the second
movement is a lesson in phrasing.
Neil Miller, author of The Piano Lessons Book
Enter in Amazon.com search: Neil Miller Piano Lessons Book
Sol L. Siegel
Barbirolli/Halle, one of the few performances of the work I've heard
that impart a sense of nobility to the proceedings.
Another is a live Sawallisch/Philly that the Orchestra once issued as
an expensive donation premium. I wish they'd reissue it so that I
could afford a copy.
I'm also fond of Scherchen and Cantelli in R&J.
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
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I'm sure you'll get plenty of recommendations for Mravinsky's stereo
recording of the fourth symphony with the Leningrad Philharmonic on
DG. That's also my favorite.
Barry
Me too.
--Brian
Brendan R. Wehrung
> On May 23, 12:45=A0pm, "Dan Amodeo" <NotMyAddr...@example.com> wrote:
>> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony I would appreciate =
> hearing about favorite recordings. Dan Amodeo
>
> No doubt it's because I've tired of playing the piece, but I've gotta
> put in a vote for the Stokowski/Philadelphia recording from the late
> '20's. Yes, some may call Stoki's way with Tchaikovsky 4
> "perverse" (especially the American Symphony performance and, to a
> lesser degree the NBC) but I enjoy what he brings to the work!
>
> Gary Stucka
> Cellist, Chicago Symphony Orchestra
>
For an odd-man-out recommendation I'll throw in Beecham's.
Brendan
jrs...@aol.com
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony, Solti/CSO/London.
> It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
> While we're at it, I would also like to know about favorite recordings of
> the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
> station is playing.
>
> Dan Amodeo
Since we're on course to name every recording ever made, I'd like to
add Enescu's overheated and romantic recording, which is a favorite of
mine. But finding one or two top choices continues to elude me.
--Jeff
Steve de Mena
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony, Solti/CSO/London.
> It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
Evgeny Mravinsky - Leningrad Philharmonic. DG 2CD set (of Symphonies
4-5-6, the 4th is my favorite of the performances included here).
Steve
Eric Nagamine
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony, Solti/CSO/London.
> It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
> the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
> station is playing.
>
> Dan Amodeo
>
>
4th Symphony
Maazel/VPO Decca
Maazel/Cleveland Telarc
Bernstin/NYPO DG
Eschenbach/Philadelphia Ondine
R+J
Munch/BSO RCA
Abbado/BSO DG
Ormandy/Philadelphia Sony
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Aloha and Mahalo,
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http://classwebcast.googlepages.com/
Eric Nagamine
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony, Solti/CSO/London.
> It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
> While we're at it, I would also like to know about favorite recordings of
> the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
> station is playing.
>
> Dan Amodeo
>
>
Kerrison
Silvestri caused controversy by re-writing the rhythm of the opening
brass fanfares in his EMI version with the Philharmonia. For a blazing
"historic" performance try Stokowski and the NBC SO from 1941, but I
also have a soft spot for the Steinberg / Pittsburgh version on
Command, while Rozhdestvensky and the USSR SO on Melodya are very
fiery. And yes, Beecham also.
Gerard
>
> Since we're on course to name every recording ever made,
But not even all recordings made by von Karajan are named.
Has Haitink been named already?
Or Gatti?
Then I willl name Pletnev.
ukr...@yahoo.com
I think we missed Pappano who has a pretty good 4th. I was surprised
at the quality of his Tchaikovsky, but I have liked it.
Gerard
> On May 24, 8:25 am, "jrsn...@aol.com" <jrsn...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On May 23, 10:45 am, "Dan Amodeo" <NotMyAddr...@example.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony,
> > > Solti/CSO/London. It's not bad, but I think I've heard other
> > > performances of this symphony that I enjoyed more. I would
> > > appreciate hearing about favorite recordings. While we're at it,
> > > I would also like to know about favorite recordings of the Romeo
> > > and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
> > > station is playing.
> >
> > > Dan Amodeo
> >
> > Since we're on course to name every recording ever made, I'd like to
> > add Enescu's overheated and romantic recording, which is a favorite
> > of mine. But finding one or two top choices continues to elude me.
> >
> > --Jeff
>
> I think we missed Pappano
And Litton.
Sacqueboutier
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony, Solti/CSO/London.
> It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
> While we're at it, I would also like to know about favorite recordings of
> the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
> station is playing.
>
> Dan Amodeo
My faves:
Mravinsky on DGG
Markevitch on Philips
Dorati on Mercury
Jansons on Chandos
Argenta on Decca/London
Kubelik/CSO on Mercury
Cantelli/NBC on Arkadia (at least that's the one I have)
--
Kindest regards,
Don Patterson
Sacqueboutier
How about Arthur Brown?
Jon Alan Conrad
really revelatory one in this series, but the Fourth is mighty fine
too.)
JAC
TareeDawg
And the 6th isn't exactly chopped liver either. Maybe I should re-listen
to the 5th, as general opinion seems to be that the 5th is the weakest
link in a very fine 4-5-6.
Dawg (Taree)
richard...@gmail.com
I really enjoy the Silvestri discs of the last 3 symphonies, when I'm
in the mood for something a bit more uninhibited than Stokowski or
Mengelberg. Otherwise, Beecham, Mravinsky, Svetlanov, Rozhdestvensky
and Markevitch are all very fine. I don't get on with Bernstein,
Szell, Muti or Rostropovich.
Norman M. Schwartz
> I'm sure you'll get plenty of recommendations for Mravinsky's stereo
> recording of the fourth symphony with the Leningrad Philharmonic on
> DG. That's also my favorite.
>
Any favorite, as is this performance, gets boring in short order. I guess
one has to find out just how short it is.
> Barry
>
> Me too.
>
> --Brian
jrs...@aol.com
I was going to say something similar. An almost shockingly flexible
and individual reading is Markevitch's live performance with the
Gewandhaus Leipzig...I can't remember what label that was on. So while
we're at it I'll admit I haven't heard Markevitch's LSO
recording...maybe it's similar, but I doubt it.
I also like some of the super-taut versions (aforementioned Argenta
and Cantelli, for instance). Maazel's Telarc recording is very
impressive as well (never heard his other recordings), but Zinman's on
the same label for some reason did not interest me.
I admit disappointment with Kubelik (was that with the Vienna
Philharmonic?) and Fistoulari, though both had good moments.
The overwhelming praise for Stokowski/Philadelphia seems both
surprising and deservd--a great performance wrecked by the games
Stokie plays. Silvestri is similarly, hopelessly marred. But
Mengelberg's early recording seems a paragon by comparison, and
equally inspired.
--Jeff
Neil
> On May 23, 6:53�pm, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For works like this, with so many good recordings available, I find it always
> > difficult to talk about a favorite one.
> > But in this case there's one I like to hear once a year at least: Szell (Decca);
> > whitehot (the recording Szell did not want to be issued).
>
> .
>
> I once read something about the Szell recording. Apparently, the Decca
> team weren't very happy with the session and they deliberately
> recorded it with a very dull sound. When Szell heard the result, he
> stormed back to the orchestra and unleashed hell, musically speaking!
>
> JB.
Yes, that's how Jim Schrada(sp?) introduced it on KUSC Los Angeles not
too long ago and it was so.
John Bryant
> > I once read something about the Szell recording. Apparently, the Decca
> > team weren't very happy with the session and they deliberately
> > recorded it with a very dull sound. When Szell heard the result, he
> > stormed back to the orchestra and unleashed hell, musically speaking!
>
> > JB.
>
> Yes, that's how Jim Schrada(sp?) introduced it on KUSC Los Angeles not
> too long ago and it was so.
>
> Neil Miller, author of The Piano Lessons Book
> Enter in Amazon.com search: Neil Miller Piano Lessons Book
Thanks Neil. I'll have a look for the Szell recording. I wasn't sure
if it was still available on CD, but someone in the UK must stock it.
JB.
Gerard
If it is not avaibale separately, there's another option, which is very
recommendable:
the Szell recordings for Decca and Philips (almost all - Brahms pianoconcerto 1
is missing):
http://www.klassikakzente.de/product.jsp?eanPrefix=00289&articleNo=4756780&mode=productDetails
or
http://decca.ddd.de/tracklist.p3p?product_id=40076355221
There you get something marvellous.
A splendid Beethoven 5, ditto Sibelius 2, a never surpassed Mozart 34,
Mendelsson, Schubert, Brahms 3, Dvorak 8 (all with Concertgebouw Orkest - Brahms
and Dvorak in mono, but not liberated yet), Händel. Plus the Egmont music by
Beethoven with the VPO.
A treasure.
5 CD. 26.25 BP at http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//4756780.htm
Tchaikovsky 4 should be available on Australian Eloquence:
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Jun02/tchaikszell.htm
Matthew B. Tepper
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> On May 23, 11:00�am, John Bryant <brit...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I once read something about the Szell recording. Apparently, the Decca
>> team weren't very happy with the session and they deliberately
>> recorded it with a very dull sound. When Szell heard the result, he
>> stormed back to the orchestra and unleashed hell, musically speaking!
>
> Yes, that's how Jim Schrada(sp?) introduced it on KUSC Los Angeles not
> too long ago and it was so.
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following letters to be typed in news:yoDZj.16$nx6.13@trnddc03:
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony, Solti/CSO/London.
> It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite
> recordings. While we're at it, I would also like to know about favorite
> recordings of the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD
> that the radio station is playing.
Abbado/VPO on DGG, coupled (at least on the disc I have) with his CSO 2nd.
As for the "Romeo," I'm nowhere near as fond of this work as I was many
years ago, so I can't get too worked up about it. But I could safely
recommend two recordings: Ozawa/San Francisco on DGG, and even better,
Monteux/LSO, which I have in two editions of the same performance, one in
the orchestra's own "Centennial Set" on Andante, and in a 2-CD all-
Tchaikovsky concert on Vanguard.
You might also check out the 1869 version, which is very different from the
final one; Geoffrey Simon/ECO make a great case for it on Chandos.
Stan Punzel
> On May 23, 12:45 pm, "Dan Amodeo" <NotMyAddr...@example.com> wrote:
>> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings. Dan Amodeo
>
> No doubt it's because I've tired of playing the piece, but I've gotta
> put in a vote for the Stokowski/Philadelphia recording from the late
> '20's. Yes, some may call Stoki's way with Tchaikovsky 4
> "perverse" (especially the American Symphony performance and, to a
> lesser degree the NBC) but I enjoy what he brings to the work!
>
> Gary Stucka
> Cellist, Chicago Symphony Orchestra
>
DG version and Monteux/BSO among others already mentioned.
Stan Punzel
John Bryant
>
> Tchaikovsky 4 should be available on Australian Eloquence:
>
> http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2002/Jun02/tchaikszell...
>
-
Thanks Gerard, you've saved me a lot of computer time. I think I'll
try the Australian Eloquence first as I already have ample recordings
of the other items - one of which has't been "liberated", oh sh*t!!!!!
JB.
Gerard
>
> Since we're on course to name every recording ever made,
Still no Rostropovitch?
I've just listened to his EMI recording (the cycle has been reissued recently
BTW).
He is no favorite, but of course he fits in naming everybody.
Mark Melson
keep returning to. Yes, it has nobility, and it also "sings" the
lyrical moments - like the slow movement - beautifully. Yet the last
movement really strikes sparks, yet for once the last movement is not
so fast that the conductor can't accelerate into the coda. It's one of
the really great performances of this piece. His Tchaik 5 is almost as
good, but his Pathetique is, to me, a bit disappointing.
Has anyone mentioned that there are TWO stereo Munch/BSO Romeo and
Juliet recordings? I much prefer the more bracing 1955 recording,
which clocks in at a little over 17 minutes (most versions are around
20 minutes). I recently discovered on YouTube a mid-50s documentary
about RCA's recording technology that has video of big chunks of this
1955 Romeo recording session. Not to be missed!
Mark Melson
On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:15:07 -0400, Sol L. Siegel <vod...@aol.com>
wrote:
>Slightly ahead of even Mravinsky, Szell and Abbado/VPO/DG:
>Barbirolli/Halle, one of the few performances of the work I've heard
>that impart a sense of nobility to the proceedings.
>
>Another is a live Sawallisch/Philly that the Orchestra once issued as
>an expensive donation premium. I wish they'd reissue it so that I
>could afford a copy.
>
>I'm also fond of Scherchen and Cantelli in R&J.
>
> - Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Neil
I was told back in 1970 when I was first getting into high end stereo
equipment that George Szell was one of the few classical artists who
actually listened to his recordings and worked with the engineers to
get the sound right.
BrianK
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have seen quite a few anecdotes about Toscanini which indicate that
he took an interest in the results the RCA engineers were achiving,
including the interview with Rochard Möhr (sorry if that is misspelt)
in the Great Conductors of the 20th Century video and in Harvey
Sachs's biography. Fritz Reiner used to listen to the playbacks of his
Chicago SO recording sessions (apparently his wife was always present
too!), and. I am quite sure that Karajan took a very strong interest
in his recordings! Another I am aware of is Solti - there is footage
in the Ring Resounding documentary and accounts in the book of his
working with John Culshaw on the results they were getting in the
recording of Wagner's Ring cycle. Uraguyan conductor José Serebrier is
another I am aware of and I am sure there are many, many others since
so many conductors are perfectionists, have large egos or both.
With apologies for taking this series of posts so far off-topic.
BK
Gary Hansen
> As for the "Romeo," I'm nowhere near as fond of this work as I was many
> years ago, so I can't get too worked up about it. But I could safely
> recommend two recordings: Ozawa/San Francisco on DGG, and even better,
> Monteux/LSO, which I have in two editions of the same performance, one in
> the orchestra's own "Centennial Set" on Andante, and in a 2-CD all-
> Tchaikovsky concert on Vanguard.
I was going to mention the Ozawa/San Francisco, which I knew and loved
from its LP incarnation. Has it appeared on CD?
Gary
Eric Nagamine
Szell did listen to his recordings according to what I've read and made
comments to his producers. However, he didn't necessarily listen to them
properly early on. He complained about boomy bass on his Cleveland Epic
recordings for one thing. Lore has it that he listened with his speakers
under his couch in his living room! Columbia/Epic had someone go out and
set it up properly.
ansermetniac
<en...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>Neil wrote:
>> On May 24, 12:05?pm, John Bryant <brit...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> On May 24, 7:57?pm, Neil <nhmil...@aol.com>
>>>
>>>>> I once read something about the Szell recording. Apparently, the Decca
>>>>> team weren't very happy with the session and they deliberately
>>>>> recorded it with a very dull sound. When Szell heard the result, he
>>>>> stormed back to the orchestra and unleashed hell, musically speaking!
>>>>> JB.
>>>> Yes, that's how Jim Schrada(sp?) introduced it on KUSC Los Angeles not
>>>> too long ago and it was so.
>>>> Neil Miller, author of The Piano Lessons Book
>>>> Enter in Amazon.com search: Neil Miller Piano Lessons Book
>>> Thanks Neil. I'll have a look for the Szell recording. I wasn't sure
>>> if it was still available on CD, but someone in the UK must stock it.
>>>
>>> JB.
>>
>> I was told back in 1970 when I was first getting into high end stereo
>> equipment that George Szell was one of the few classical artists who
>> actually listened to his recordings and worked with the engineers to
>> get the sound right.
>>
>> Neil Miller, author of The Piano Lessons Book
>> Enter in Amazon.com search: Neil Miller Piano Lessons Book
>
>Szell did listen to his recordings according to what I've read and made
>comments to his producers. However, he didn't necessarily listen to them
>properly early on. He complained about boomy bass on his Cleveland Epic
>recordings for one thing. Lore has it that he listened with his speakers
>under his couch in his living room! Columbia/Epic had someone go out and
>set it up properly.
Hard to believe that Szell approved this screaming highs. Maybe he
approved a master tape and NOT the eqd lp master
Abbedd
Dan Amodeo
Thanks for all the suggestions. I ordered symphony # 4 by Mravinsky,
Jansons, and Szell, and R & J by Munch.
Dan
Ed Presson
"ansermetniac" <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vdhh34taurp487vkp...@4ax.com...
It's not lore; I remember clearly an article in High Fidelity in which a
sound engineer (or producer) visited Szell's home to see for himself how
Szell was using his stereo equipment so that he could understand Szell's
equalization preferences. The fellow couldn't see the speakers and asked
Szell where they were. Szell had placed them under the sofa where he sat to
listen (he didn't like them to be visible), and the sound reflected off the
wall. This seemed to explain Szell need for "screaming highs." Sorry, I
don't remember the author.
Ed Presson
Brendan R. Wehrung
Nobody has mentioned Stokowski, who was fiddling with the dials long before
most conductors mentioned has their first major posts.
Toscanini supposedly listened to his recordings at home on a
top-of-the-line (boomy) RCA new orthophonic console.
Brendan
Matthew B. Tepper
DGG 423 068-2, as a filler for his BSO Berlioz "Roméo et Juliette." As you
remember, the San Francisco LP coupled this Tchaikovsky with Bernstein's
"West Side Story" Symphonic Dances and a few orchestral excerpts from the
Berlioz.
Gary Hansen
> Gary Hansen <gha...@ess.washington.edu> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in
> news:0ISdnfEkNqnnXaXV...@comcast.com:
>
>> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>> As for the "Romeo," I'm nowhere near as fond of this work as I was many
>>> years ago, so I can't get too worked up about it. But I could safely
>>> recommend two recordings: Ozawa/San Francisco on DGG, and even better,
>>> Monteux/LSO, which I have in two editions of the same performance, one
>>> in the orchestra's own "Centennial Set" on Andante, and in a 2-CD all-
>>> Tchaikovsky concert on Vanguard.
>> I was going to mention the Ozawa/San Francisco, which I knew and loved
>> from its LP incarnation. Has it appeared on CD?
>
> DGG 423 068-2, as a filler for his BSO Berlioz "Roméo et Juliette." As you
> remember, the San Francisco LP coupled this Tchaikovsky with Bernstein's
> "West Side Story" Symphonic Dances and a few orchestral excerpts from the
> Berlioz.
>
Thank you, Matthew. I found two of these used in Amazon plus ArkivCD,
who are ahead of us all (I think I will try to get one of the used ones
since the ArkivCD CDRs have no notes).
Gary
david...@aol.com
>I would also like to know about favorite recordings of
> the Romeo and Juliet Overture
Munch's first recording of Romeo and Juliet. Look far enough down on
this page:
http://www.haydnhouse.com/HH2.htm
-david gable
david...@aol.com
> My personal favorites:
> R&J- 2nd Scherchen/Westminster
I forgot I had that (on MCA). Did DG ever reissue it on
"Westminster"?
-david gable
Gerard
But Rodzinski was not mentioned yet!
Coupled with The Nutcracker on Westminster.
John Bryant
> But Rodzinski was not mentioned yet!
> Coupled with The Nutcracker on Westminster.
I'll mention him -" Rodzinski". BTW, I found the Szell/Tchaik. 4th at
Amazon UK as it doesn't seem to be available on 'Eloquence' any more.
JB.
Gerard
In that case (Australian) Eloquence isn't any more what is was before ;-(
The world has changed again ...
Did you find the box set on Amazon:
or was it this one:
(the same issue I have)
John Bryant
> John Bryant wrote:
> > On May 25, 9:48 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > But Rodzinski was not mentioned yet!
> > > Coupled with The Nutcracker on Westminster.
>
> > I'll mention him -" Rodzinski". BTW, I found the Szell/Tchaik. 4th at
> > Amazon UK as it doesn't seem to be available on 'Eloquence' any more.
>
> In that case (Australian) Eloquence isn't any more what is was before ;-(
> The world has changed again ...
I wonder who could have changed it...........
> Did you find the box set on Amazon:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/George-Szell-Original-Masters/dp/B0009A41XS/r...
>
> or was it this one:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tchaikovsky-Symphony-Beethoven-Music-Egmont/d...
>
> (the same issue I have)
That's the one!! Just under £5, which isn't too bad. Thanks again.
JB.
Gerard
A pleasure ..
But feel free to consider (if you did not order yet) the 5 CD box. You would do
yourself a great plesure with it, I'm sure.
These 5 CD's belong to the best unliberated recordings ever made.
Did you ever hear a Beethoven 5 by Szell?
("22 used & new available from £14.84" - that's a nice price)
Gerard
> On May 25, 9:48 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But Rodzinski was not mentioned yet!
> > Coupled with The Nutcracker on Westminster.
>
> I'll mention him -" Rodzinski".
Hm.
I just listend to Rodzinski's recording.
I should not mention him ;)
Did you hear this recording, or did you just like mentioning ;-?
John Bryant
Yes, a nice price, but I already have other versions of the music
included therein. Not only that, it's a matter of storage space- or
lack of it. I've heard Szell's Beethoven 5, but that was quite a long
time ago and I've forgotten it now.
JB.
John Bryant
No, I only mentioned him because no-one else (apart from you) had. :-)
JB.
Gerard
> On May 25, 12:38 pm, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > John Bryant wrote:
> > > On May 25, 9:48 am, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > But Rodzinski was not mentioned yet!
> > > > Coupled with The Nutcracker on Westminster.
> >
> > > I'll mention him -" Rodzinski".
> >
> > Hm.
> > I just listend to Rodzinski's recording.
> > I should not mention him ;)
> > Did you hear this recording, or did you just like mentioning ;-?
>
> No, I only mentioned him because no-one else (apart from you) had. :-)
>
I suppose you can not liberate it from being mentioned now.
;-(
John Bryant
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, I don't have the necessary "expertise". :-(
JB.
Norman M. Schwartz
At a certain age highs don't continue to scream, particularly after standing
before of a full orchestra for many years. However, I don't recall ever
hearing "screaming highs" from his recordings of the Beethoven, Schumann,
Brahms and Haydn Symphonies nor all the Piano Concerti with Casadesus and
Serkin. Even 50 years ago (when my hearing could have been considered
normal) they were amongst my favorite recordings both performance and
sound-wise.
> Ed Presson
TareeDawg
The Szell LSO Tchaik 4 is available on a Decca Eloquence, coupled with
Maazel's Francesca da Rimini. Decca 466-668-2. At least from Buywell.
http://www.buywell.com/cgi-bin/buywellic2/01226.html
Dawg (Taree)
Gerard
> John Bryant wrote:
> > On May 25, 12:15 pm, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Yes, a nice price, but I already have other versions of the music
> > included therein. Not only that, it's a matter of storage space- or
> > lack of it. I've heard Szell's Beethoven 5, but that was quite a
> > long time ago and I've forgotten it now.
>
> The Szell LSO Tchaik 4 is available on a Decca Eloquence, coupled with
> Maazel's Francesca da Rimini. Decca 466-668-2. At least from Buywell.
>
That's what I tought.
But the option on Amazon UK (with the extracts of Beethoven's Egmont) is a more
attractive one i.m.o.
John Bryant
> The Szell LSO Tchaik 4 is available on a Decca Eloquence, coupled with
> Maazel's Francesca da Rimini. Decca 466-668-2. At least from Buywell.
>
> http://www.buywell.com/cgi-bin/buywellic2/01226.html
>
> Dawg (Taree)
Thanks Ray. I found Szell's LSO/Tchaik 4th at Amazon UK, coupled with
Beethoven. Usually, my first port of call is MDT, but as it isn't
listed amongst the Eloquence issues, I thought it might have been
deleted. The 2008 Penguin Guide also says it's no longer available.
Anyway, all's well that ends well.
JB.
John Bryant
> But the option on Amazon UK (with the extracts of Beethoven's Egmont) is a more
> attractive one i.m.o.
BTW, I see that no-one has mentioned Temirkanov. His Tchaik 4th (with
the RPO) might not be a first choice, but it's jolly good.
Unfortunately, it's only available as a set (RCA) but it's well worth
the price, imo.
JB.
John_H...@msn.com
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 03:45:02 +1000, Dan Amodeo wrote
> (in article <yoDZj.16$nx6.13@trnddc03>):
>
> > Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony, Solti/CSO/London.
> > It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> > that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
> > While we're at it, I would also like to know about favorite recordings of
> > the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
> > station is playing.
>
> > Dan Amodeo
>
> For the Romeo and Juliet Overture, you can't do better than an EMI recording
> with the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Sian Edwards.
> It's a well-filled disc, superbly recorded.
> --
> Cheers!
>
> Terry
So here is what I posted a few years ago: nothing has changed much
except a lot of people are obsessed with von K and Haitink and love
the much overrated Mravinsky Tchaikovsky:
This is a quick lp tally of the versions I own of the last 3
Tchaikovsky symphonies; due to haste I'm leaving off for the most
part 78s, cds, commercial open reels and off-the-air open reels (and
cassettes, too). I'm not a Von Karajan fancier (have over 40 of his
recordings - they're unavoidable when you collect; and find the
best thing he ever did was his early version of the Donna Diana
Overture [and I sure another poster will supply his/her preferred
version]); Dutoit is sort of also unavoidable in cd land; I find him
a
very inconsistent performer (saw him live at the NY Phil - which
solidified my impression of him as a so-so conductor). So, here are
some recordings many of which have resurfaced on cds; I'm including a
short summary opinion of these commercial recordings I own (but I
would
search out the lps - they are so much better - unless you can find
a commercial open reel performance); I don't think a beginner music
lover/collector could go wrong with any of these performances.
Sorry,
I did not go back over past posts and I'm regurgitating some opinions
that have been expressed before and they're quite "old school" (but
nobody else did either!).
4
Steinberg (Pittsburgh), Silvestri; Munch (Boston); Mengelberg
(Amster);
Mitropoulos (Minn Sym); Bernstein; Argenta (Suisse); Rostropovich;
Rodzinski; Monteux; Stokowski (Phila. Orch); Stokowski (American
Sym);
Dorati (London Sym); Beecham (Royal Phil.); Barbirolli (Halle Orch);
Scherchen;
No. 4: my own personal favorites are: Bernstein, an early Columbia
which I found within the last two years on open reel (it was my first
Peter 4th and has held up against the competition quite well; the
other
favorite, the very eccentric Scherchen which I find exhilerating ;
Other favorites here are Argenta, Rodzinski, Monteux, any versions of
Stoky, Barbirolli and Beecham (and the also eccentric Silvestri).
5
Silvestri (Philharmonia); Sargent (London Sym); Mitropoulos;
Mengelberg
(Berlin Phil); Koussevitzsky, Horenstein (New Phil); Rostropovich;
Rodzinski; Monteux;
Stokowski (Phila. Orch); Stokowski (London Sym.); Dorati (London
Sym);
Beecham (78); Barbirolli (Halle Orch); Walter (NBC; cd)
No. 5: My favorite performances result in a tie with Mitropoulos,
Koussevitzsky, Rodzinski, Monteux, any version of Stokowski and
Barbirolli (still, I could give the edge to Rodzinski and
Koussevitzsky).
6
Talich, Reiner, Munch (Paris cons); Mitropoulos; Mengelberg;
Melik-Pasheyev; Martinon (Vienna Phil); Horenstein (London Sym);
Rostropovich; Rodzinski; Monteux; Stokowski (Phila. Orch); Dorati
(London Sym); Toscanini; Barbirolli (Halle Orch);
No. 6: here favorites are Mitropoulos, Melik-Pasheyev; Martinon,
Rozinski, Monteux, any Stoky, Toscanini, and Barbirolli. Pretty much
these performances are all tied but I have an open reel air check of
the second to last Toscanini performance in stereo that is amazing
and
probably exists on cd somewhere.
Hauser
Mitropoulos (Minn Sym); Bernstein; Argenta (Suisse); Rostropovich;
Rodzinski; Monteux; Stokowski (Phila. Orch); Stokowski (American
Sym);
Dorati (London Sym); Beecham (Royal Phil.); Barbirolli (Halle Orch);
Scherchen;
No. 4: my own personal favorites are: Bernstein, an early Columbia
which I found within the last two years on open reel (it was my first
Peter 4th and has held up against the competition quite well; the
other
favorite, the very eccentric Scherchen which I find exhilerating ;
Other favorites here are Argenta, Rodzinski, Monteux, any versions of
Stoky, Barbirolli and Beecham (and the also eccentric Silvestri).
5
Silvestri (Philharmonia); Sargent (London Sym); Mitropoulos;
Mengelberg
(Berlin Phil); Koussevitzsky, Horenstein (New Phil); Rostropovich;
Rodzinski; Monteux;
Stokowski (Phila. Orch); Stokowski (London Sym.); Dorati (London
Sym);
Beecham (78); Barbirolli (Halle Orch); Walter (NBC; cd)
No. 5: My favorite performances result in a tie with Mitropoulos,
Koussevitzsky, Rodzinski, Monteux, any version of Stokowski and
Barbirolli (still, I could give the edge to Rodzinski and
Koussevitzsky).
6
Talich, Reiner, Munch (Paris cons); Mitropoulos; Mengelberg;
Melik-Pasheyev; Martinon (Vienna Phil); Horenstein (London Sym);
Rostropovich; Rodzinski; Monteux; Stokowski (Phila. Orch); Dorati
(London Sym); Toscanini; Barbirolli (Halle Orch);
No. 6: here favorites are Mitropoulos, Melik-Pasheyev; Martinon,
Rozinski, Monteux, any Stoky, Toscanini, and Barbirolli. Pretty much
these performances are all tied but I have an open reel air check of
the second to last Toscanini performance in stereo that is amazing
and
probably exists on cd somewhere.
Hauser
pgaron
The Szell Tchaik 4 was also briefly available circa 1999 in Deccca's
Penguin Music Classic series, c/w the Karajan/Vienna PhO Romeo and
Juliet Overture. That's the CD that I own.
pgaron
John Bryant
>
> Still no Rostropovitch?
>
> I've just listened to his EMI recording (the cycle has been reissued recently
> BTW).
> He is no favorite, but of course he fits in naming everybody.
I received the Rostropovich set today. I haven't had time to listen to
every disc, but my disappointment is growing with each one I hear. No.
4 isn't too bad, but 'Manfred' is far too slow and deliberate. I get
the feeling that the LPO is straining at the leash trying to get away
from his rather mechanical conducting. (That's how it sounds to me).
The Szell/ LSO 4th is magnificent. Thanks for the recommendation.
JB.
Gerard
> On May 24, 8:42 pm, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Still no Rostropovitch?
> >
> > I've just listened to his EMI recording (the cycle has been
> > reissued recently BTW).
> > He is no favorite, but of course he fits in naming everybody.
>
> I received the Rostropovich set today. I haven't had time to listen to
> every disc, but my disappointment is growing with each one I hear. No.
> 4 isn't too bad, but 'Manfred' is far too slow and deliberate. I get
> the feeling that the LPO is straining at the leash trying to get away
> from his rather mechanical conducting. (That's how it sounds to me).
He is slowish, and dragging; too little tension.
In the symphonies 1-3 I like it better. I didn't hear the Manfred for a long
time. I thought that was one of the better performances.
What I did _not_ like was the sound. I don't know for sure if these were
originally quadraphonic recordings.
Is this new (reissued) set remastered recently?
> The Szell/ LSO 4th is magnificent. Thanks for the recommendation.
>
Goes to the top of your list (of favorites)?
Sometimes I listen to the Pizzicato (Scherzo, 3rd movement) only. What a
perfection, and what a splendid recording of it.
John Bryant
> John Bryant wrote:
> > On May 24, 8:42 pm, "Gerard" <ghen_nospam_drik...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Still no Rostropovitch?
>
> > > I've just listened to his EMI recording (the cycle has been
> > > reissued recently BTW).
> > > He is no favorite, but of course he fits in naming everybody.
>
> > I received the Rostropovich set today. I haven't had time to listen to
> > every disc, but my disappointment is growing with each one I hear. No.
> > 4 isn't too bad, but 'Manfred' is far too slow and deliberate. I get
> > the feeling that the LPO is straining at the leash trying to get away
> > from his rather mechanical conducting. (That's how it sounds to me).
>
> He is slowish, and dragging; too little tension.
> In the symphonies 1-3 I like it better. I didn't hear the Manfred for a long
> time. I thought that was one of the better performances.
> What I did _not_ like was the sound. I don't know for sure if these were
> originally quadraphonic recordings.
> Is this new (reissued) set remastered recently?
Yes, the sound is OK, although a little too thunderous at times. The
set bears the date 2008, so this would suggest very recent
remastering. The really slow tempo in 'Manfred' is most noticable in
the finale; not only that, where are the horns at about 3 minutes into
that movement? They seem to have been replaced with bassons, clarinets
and oboes.
> > The Szell/ LSO 4th is magnificent. Thanks for the recommendation.
>
> Goes to the top of your list (of favorites)?
Yes, definitely a front-runner!
> Sometimes I listen to the Pizzicato (Scherzo, 3rd movement) only. What a
> perfection, and what a splendid recording of it.
Indeed, although the finale sounds a bit ragged in places, but, after
46 years, I suppose that's to be expected. Extremely enjoyable though
and a marvellous bargain.
JB.
gggg...@gmail.com
> Right now I am listening to Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony, Solti/CSO/London.
> It's not bad, but I think I've heard other performances of this symphony
> that I enjoyed more. I would appreciate hearing about favorite recordings.
> While we're at it, I would also like to know about favorite recordings of
> the Romeo and Juliet Overture, which also is on the CD that the radio
> station is playing.
>
> Dan Amodeo
http://www.musicweb-international.com/mwi-recommends.htm
O
Frank Berger
it somehow accidental? Is he empowered by pied pipering?
Does he like to watch lemmings go over a cliff (they really
don't do that). It doesn't really do any harm; we're not
forced to participate, after all.
Herman
>
> What is gggg's motivation for ressurecting old threads? Is
> it somehow accidental? Is he empowered by pied pipering?
> Does he like to watch lemmings go over a cliff (they really
> don't do that). It doesn't really do any harm; we're not
> forced to participate, after all.
however, it works as follows. Whenever gggg is online, checking Musicweb or Peter Gutman's screeds or his favorite Quotes from Great Minds book or ANYTHING, he googles for a RMCR-parallel and posts a link, no matter how old the topic is, or how many times he's been told that these Musicweb lists are worse than useless or that no one waiting for fusty old dicta from more than a century ago. It's automatic. So it's not a motivation; it's more like a blind trigger.
rumor has it, he does the same on a wine newsgroup.
Gerard
news:iIidnTLG_b28XqTK...@supernews.com...
What is gggg's motivation for ressurecting old threads?
What's yours?
rapu...@spiritone.com
Stan Punzel
Frank Berger
> Two that come to mind are Karajan/BPO 1967 and Freccia/Rome (Readers Digest, 1960's). HvK's has grew on me, I'll admit to liking the sound of the recording. And frankly it was, to me, so good, to have me listen to other K performances that I ignored. Freccia's is just fun to me. Great RD recording, a wonderfully slapdash that it makes the music be a cousin of Verdi...
>
> Stan Punzel
>
could wish. Has it ever been on CD? Interesting obit on
Freccia here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1479614/Massimo-Freccia.html
rapu...@spiritone.com
Stan Punzel
rapu...@spiritone.com
Stan Punzel