Asahina Bruckner- the confusing lot of them
M. Weston
finally got around to listening to his most recent Bruckner 4 on
Fontec with the NHK Orchestra. This recording has been praised by
fans of his work, but I wasn't expecting a lot- my initial sampling
indicated that the disk lacked the florid sound of his Canyon
recordings, and I honestly didn't expect to be impressed with what,
for me, is Bruckner's most tired symphony. Well, lightning struck-
this has the long, concentrated line of utterance that puts it in a
special class in my library.
Questions:
There is a recording of 9 on Exton that has recently been released
with the same orchestra, and I could have sworn I saw images of cd
covers for symphonies 7 and 8, though I cannot find them now. Do they
exist/are they being released soon?
What Asahina Bruckner 7 was played on WFMT/Henry Fogel's Collectors'
Corner on January 13? (or was it the week before?)
There are numerous releases of Asahina's Bruckner that have appeared
in the past few years- JVC has him with the Tokyo Metropolitan, Exton
with the NHK and Canyon with Osaka. Canyon has issued a Bruckner 8
with Osaka just recently, but so has Exton, this one with Osaka as
well. Are these all new?
Can anyone untangle the mass of Bruckner recordings one finds listed
here?
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/583692/ref%3Dm%5Fbrbx%5Fc%5F%202%5F4/250-4437267-9214648
thanks,
Michael Weston
Heybrook
Exton Bruckner 9 with Osaka will be released in June 2002. It has never been
released yet. (Recorded in Spetmeber 2001)
Brukner 8 was released last month. It's basically the same performance as the
DVD version but patched with the following concert.
Bruckner 7 will be released in May 2002.
Canyon Bruckner 8 is a reissue.
JVC set is also an reissue.
Asahina/NHK recordings are released by fontec.
In short Exton will release or released Ashaina's Bruckner 4, 5, 7, 8, 9. These
are first time on CD.
Bobby
Matthew B. Tepper
news:d13b400e.02020...@posting.google.com:
> My curiousity in Asahina's Bruckner has been piqued again, as I finally
> got around to listening to his most recent Bruckner 4 on Fontec with the
> NHK Orchestra. This recording has been praised by fans of his work, but
> I wasn't expecting a lot- my initial sampling indicated that the disk
> lacked the florid sound of his Canyon recordings, and I honestly didn't
> expect to be impressed with what, for me, is Bruckner's most tired
> symphony. Well, lightning struck- this has the long, concentrated line
> of utterance that puts it in a special class in my library.
I have the 1989 Osaka Philharmonic recording on Victor VDC-1374 and I think
it's quite good. Have I sinned?
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Simon Roberts
>
>I have the 1989 Osaka Philharmonic recording on Victor VDC-1374 and I think
>it's quite good. Have I sinned?
Probably.
Your comment slightly reminds me of a story, which I hope is true, that
demonstrates that a classical education isn't entirely useless. Some time
in the 19th Century the British were trying to capture a town on the
Indian subcontinent (or in Afghanistan, or somewhere close) by the name of
Sindh. Eventually successful, the general (or whatever rank it was)
cabled a one word message back to London: peccavi.
Simon
Omar Qureshi
and Sindh is a Pakistani province with Karachi as its capital. The British officer was Sir Charles Napier. Don't remember the date,
but you're right, sometime in the mid-19th century.
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Mark K. Ehlert
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> Sindh is an area (not a town) of the Subcontinent on both sides
> of the southern portion of the Indus River, which is now in
> Pakistan and Sindh is a Pakistani province with Karachi as its
> capital. The British officer was Sir Charles Napier. Don't
> remember the date, but you're right, sometime in the mid-19th
> century.
The year was 1843 (for those playing the home game).
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Matthew B. Tepper
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Ook ook, for those of us who recognize it as Latin for "I have sinned."
Wasn't that General Gordon?
Simon Roberts
Simon
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Eric Nagamine
>
> My curiousity in Asahina's Bruckner has been piqued again, as I
> finally got around to listening to his most recent Bruckner 4 on
> Fontec with the NHK Orchestra. This recording has been praised by
> fans of his work, but I wasn't expecting a lot- my initial sampling
> indicated that the disk lacked the florid sound of his Canyon
> recordings, and I honestly didn't expect to be impressed with what,
> for me, is Bruckner's most tired symphony. Well, lightning struck-
> this has the long, concentrated line of utterance that puts it in a
> special class in my library.
>
> Questions:
> There is a recording of 9 on Exton that has recently been released
> with the same orchestra, and I could have sworn I saw images of cd
> covers for symphonies 7 and 8, though I cannot find them now. Do they
> exist/are they being released soon?
AFAIK, in the last year Fontec has issued an NHK 9th and 4th, along with
a 7th with the Tokyo Metropolitans that is very good. They also have a
Tokyo metro 5, 8, and an earlier 7th.
JVC is issuing a complete Osaka cycle in April according to the HMV
website, no info as to which recordings.
Exton is issuing an Osaka 5th on 2/22.
The following link is to HMV's website which lists it's available
Bruckner recordings.
http://www.hmv.co.jp/search/artist.asp?artistcode=000000000019429
Most of the Kanji links are to Asahina.
> What Asahina Bruckner 7 was played on WFMT/Henry Fogel's Collectors'
> Corner on January 13? (or was it the week before?)
>
> There are numerous releases of Asahina's Bruckner that have appeared
> in the past few years- JVC has him with the Tokyo Metropolitan, Exton
> with the NHK and Canyon with Osaka. Canyon has issued a Bruckner 8
> with Osaka just recently, but so has Exton, this one with Osaka as
> well. Are these all new?
>
The Exton/Osaka 8th is the audio portion of the 7/25/2001 concert that
is on an Exton DVD-video (OVBC-00005) that came out in December.
According to the ad in the Record Geijutsu, the CD was due out on
January 23.(OVCL-00061 (2 CDs))
The Exton catalog can be found with pictures at:
http://www.octavia.co.jp/new_page_7.htm
Further down there is a link to their DVD-videos.
Fontec has a website that has it's Asahina recordings. There is a search
engine in which you can copy and paste the Asahina's name in Kanji to
get his catalog listings.
http://www.fontec.co.jp/frame.htm (click on the artist link at the top
of the page, which leads to a frames page with a link to conductors
where you can copy the kanji. Click on the on-line catalog link at the
top and scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the arrow. Paste
the Kanji into the search box and click on the button to the right.
You'll get his catalog with pictures.)
Pony/Canyon website appears not to have his back catalog only j-pop
listings. Perhaps you can have better luck than me.
You might want to check in part against Lani Spahr's Discography (which
is in need of an update) and the various
Japanese websites for dates on other recordings.
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/lspahr/index.html
http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicHall/1183/asa-comp.html#BRU
To confuse things even further the japanese only dealer Cadenza has a
listing of some Asahina recordings at:
http://www.webserve.ne.jp/cadenza/label/asahina.html
You'll need to be able to recognize the katakana characters for Bruckner
on this site.
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Eric Nagamine
HenryFogel
It is certainly easy to be confused. On the recent "Collectors' Corner" I
played his most recent recorded performance of the 7th -- Fontec FOCD 9158,
performance of May 25, 2001.
I don't know about Canyon's "new" 8th - the Exton which I have just ordered) is
a new performance recorded within the past year or so.
Fontec FOCD 9142 is a 9th from May 25-26, 2000. I think this is a good
performance, but his finest 9th for me continues to be the Tokyo Symphony
performance (Canyon PCCL 00268) from 1991.
The Fontec 8th from that same series is FOCD 9124/5, Oct 1, 1998. A good,
strong performance with the same positive qualities you noted in the 4th.
Still, though I prefer the 1994 8th on Canyon, with the Osaka Phil, or the 1983
8th on Japanese Victor, also with Osaka Phil.
(There is also another Fontec 7th, from 1997), not as strongly shaped as the
more recent one above.
Apparently, Japanese record companies found it profitable to keep issuing new
recordings of the same repertoire with Asahina -- and since these performances
are all recorded live, in concert, and didn't require separate sessions, when
they asked, he approved. There is a real glut of product out there, with
astonishing duplication. I know of over 50 different recordings of Bruckner
symphonies with Asahina, and keeping track of them is not easy.
Henry Fogel
Michael Weston
Is the Canyon B8 the same as is in his mid-90's cycle? I would guess that
it is not.
Based on your message, here is my present understanding:
Canyon: reissues of Tokyo Symphony and Osaka
Fontec: new releases of NHK, several Tokyo Metropolitan also available,
though these are a few years old
Exton: new Osaka
JVC: I haven't seen these, but whatever it is, it is a reissue- how old
are they?
MW
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Michael Weston
henry...@aol.com (HenryFogel) wrote:
> It is certainly easy to be confused. On the recent "Collectors' Corner" I
> played his most recent recorded performance of the 7th -- Fontec FOCD 9158,
> performance of May 25, 2001.
I'm guessing that this is a Tokyo Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra
recording, not NHK. Or is it Osaka?
After all this, I might have a decent map of available Asahina Bruckner
recordings. Your comments are also valuable for stating recording
preferences- I also aim to track which recordings are the agreed-upon
standouts. The recent Bruckner 4 is an example.
Michael
Heybrook
Here is the link to Asahina's Bruckner 8 on DVD:
http://www.octavia.co.jp/dvd_video.htm
It's available on deodeo.com
>Is the Canyon B8 the same as is in his mid-90's cycle? I would guess that
>it is not.
Yes.
>Based on your message, here is my present understanding:
>Canyon: reissues of Tokyo Symphony and Osaka
Correct.
>Fontec: new releases of NHK, several Tokyo Metropolitan also available,
>though these are a few years old
Tokyo Metro Brcukner 7 and 8 are recent recordings made in 2000 and 2001.
Although there is an older Bruckner 7 with the same orchestra on fontec.
>Exton: new Osaka
Correct.
>JVC: I haven't seen these, but whatever it is, it is a reissue- how old
>are they?
I believe they are over 20 years old recorded in late 70s and early 80s.
Bobby
Heybrook
2000. FOCD9132 was recorded on October 24, 1997.
fontec Bruckner 8 FOCD9124/5 was recorded on 9/28/1998 amd 10/1/1998.
Exton will release Asahina/Osaka Bruckner 5 OVCL-00063 later this month.
Bobby
Bobby
Matthew B. Tepper
Heybrook
In order for Ashina to stay as the "cult" conductor, I would imgine the
releases are available only in Japan. If you try hard enough, perhaps you might
be able to obtain them.
Bobby
Torgny Gustafsson
>>I am not aware of a Bruckner 8 DVD. Can you dive details?
>
>Here is the link to Asahina's Bruckner 8 on DVD:
>
>http://www.octavia.co.jp/dvd_video.htm
>
>It's available on deodeo.com
>
What are the region codes on these DVDs?
TG
HenryFogel
>From: m.we...@mindspring.com (Michael Weston)
>Date: 2/5/2002 7:13 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <m.weston-050...@199.174.178.232>
>
>In article <20020205044206...@mb-fb.aol.com>,
>henry...@aol.com (HenryFogel) wrote:
>
>
>> It is certainly easy to be confused. On the recent "Collectors' Corner" I
>> played his most recent recorded performance of the 7th -- Fontec FOCD 9158,
>> performance of May 25, 2001.
>
>I'm guessing that this is a Tokyo Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra
>recording, not NHK. Or is it Osaka?
>
It is Tokyo Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra.
Henry Fogel
HenryFogel
>From: m.we...@mindspring.com (Michael Weston)
>Message-id: <m.weston-050...@199.174.178.232>
>
>I am not aware of a Bruckner 8 DVD. Can you dive details?
>
>Is the Canyon B8 the same as is in his mid-90's cycle? I would guess that
>it is not.
>
>Based on your message, here is my present understanding:
>Canyon: reissues of Tokyo Symphony and Osaka
>Fontec: new releases of NHK, several Tokyo Metropolitan also available,
>though these are a few years old
>Exton: new Osaka
>JVC: I haven't seen these, but whatever it is, it is a reissue- how old
>are they?
>
JVC (Japanese Victor) was a very fine Bruckner cycle done by Asahina with a
variety of orchestras in the late 1970s through mid 1980s (though the Fourth is
from 1989). This cycle includes his only recording of Number Zero. (It is
VICC 40190-99). Although some of its performances are bettered by later
recordings, in most cases the differences are fairly minor, and the overall
level of this is very high. It is hard to find, however - I think it is out of
print even in Japan.
Henry Fogel
John F. Berky
announced is most likely a re-issue of that set (which included the "Die
Nullte") However, JVC recorded other Asahina Bruckner performances that
have only been released on LP. Those included an Overture in G. Hopefully,
the set will be a compendium of all their recordings. For 19,000 yen, it
should be...
Exton released a B7 on DVD (code 2) I've transferred to audio. The B8 is
being offered on DVD and CD.
Keeping track of Asahina's Bruckner is a P/T job.
--
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Michael Weston
Schubert 8/9. The Toshiba Bruckner 5 is region 2, though that is
impossible to come by, anyway.
MW
In article <3c609434.10895579@news>, gus...@physics.rutgers.edu (Torgny
M. Weston
the past ten years. It lists release date, price and catalog number,
and inculdes images of the cds where I was able to find them. I
presently have not added DVD or VHS recordings (3,5,7,8 that I am
aware of) yet, nor have I included anything that hasn't yet been
released.
It is a bit messy, but may be a valuable tool for amyone that wants
it. Email me at tint...@hotmail.com if you want a copy.
Michael Weston
HenryFogel
Virtually all of them are live recordings, sometimes made at the instigation of
the orchestra officials involved. All are CDs except where noted. Video
recordings are not included. I hope this helps sort out the lot.
No. 0 - Osa - 6/78 - JVC VICC 40190-99
No. 1 - Osa - 1/77 - Jean-Jean JJ 008-019
No. 1 - JPO - 1/83 - JVC VICC 40190-99
No. 1 - Osa - 5/94 - Canyon PCCL 0400 PCCL
00246 (single)
No. 2 - Osa - 8/76 - Jean-Jean JJ008-019
No. 2 - TMS - 9/86 - JVC VICC 40190-99
VDC-1211 (single)
No. 2 - Osa - 1/94 - Canyon PCCL 00400 PCCL 00230
(single)
No. 3 - Osa - 10/77 - Jean-Jean JJ008-019
No. 3 - Osa - 7/84 - JVC VICC 40190-99
VDC 1047 (single)
No. 3 - Osa - 10/93 - Canyon PCCL 00400 PCCL 00210
(single)
No. 4 - Osa - 7/76 - Jean-Jean JJ008-019
No. 4 - JPO - 5/80 - JVC SJX 1151 (LP)
No. 4 - Osa - 2/89 - JVC VICC 40190-99
No. 4 - NJP - 5/92 - Fontec FOCD 9050-52
Fontec FOCD 9061
No. 4 - Osa - 7/93 - Canyon PCCL 00400 PCCL 00191
(single)
No. 4 - NHK - 1/00 - Fontec FOCD 9150
No. 5 - Osa - 1/78 - Jean-Jean JJ008-019
No. 5 - TMS - 9/80 -- JVC 40190-99
No. 5 - NJP - 9/92 - Fontec FOCD 9050-52
No. 5 - Osa - 6/94 - Canyon PCCL 00400 PCCL 00261
(single)
No. 6 - Osa - 9/77 - JeanJean JJ008-019
No. 6 - Tok - 1/84 - JVC 40190-99
No. 6 - Osa - 4/94 - Canyon PCCL 00400 PCCL 00318
(single)
No. 7 - Osa - 1/75 - JVC VDC 1214
No. 7 - Osa - 4/76 - JeanJean JJ008-019
No. 7 - Tok - 9/80 - JVC SJX 1151 (LP)
No. 7 - Osa - 9/83 - JVC VICC 40190-99
No. 7 - NJP 9/92 - Fontec FOCD 9053-55
No. 7 - Osa - 9/92 - Canyon PCCL 00400 PCCL 00178
(single)
No. 7 - Tok - 4/94 - Canyon PCCL 00362
No. 7 - TMS - 1/97 - Fontec FOCD 9132
No. 7 - TMS - 5/01 - Fontec FOCD 9158
No. 8 - Osa - 4/76 - JJGD 2012/13
No. 8 - Osa - 8/76 - JeanJean JJ008-019
No. 8 - Osa - 10/80 - JVC SJX 1151 (LP)
No. 8 - Osa - 9/83 - JVC 40190-99
No. 8 - NJP - 2/93 - Fontec FOCD 9053-55
No. 8 - Tok - 11/93 - Canyon PCCL 00362
No. 8 - Osa - 7/94 - Canyon PCCL 00400 PCCL
00253 (single)
No. 8 - TMS - 10/98 - Fontec FOCD9124-5
No. 9 - Osa - 4/76 - JeanJean JJ008-019
No. 9 - NJP - 6/80 - JVC 40190-99
No. 9 - Tok - 3/91 - Canyon PCCL 00126
Or PCCL 00268 (with Te Deum)
No. 9 - TMS - 9/93 - Fontec FOCD 3290
No. 9 - Osa - 4/95 - Canyon PCCL 00400
No. 9 - Tok - 4/96 - Canyon PCCL 00362
No. 9 - NHK - 5/00 - Fontec FOCD 9142
osa = Osaka Philharmonic
Tok = Tokyo Symphony
TMS = Tokyo Metropolitan Symphony
NJP = New Japan Philharmonic
NHK = NHK Symphony Orchestra
Henry Fogel
John F. Berky
Thanks for the list and the work putting it together.
But isn't there also a Kojima CD of a B7 (LMCD-1549) from 1997???
--
John Berky
WNPR-Connecticut Public Radio
WPKT - Meriden, 90.5FM
WNPR - Norwich, 89.1FM
WEDW - Stamford/Greenwich, 88.5FM
WRLI - Southampton, NY, 91.3FM
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>Date: 2/9/2002 9:13 PM Central Standard Time
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>
>Henry,
>
>Thanks for the list and the work putting it together.
>
>But isn't there also a Kojima CD of a B7 (LMCD-1549) from 1997???
>
>--
>John Berky
I indicated that these were the Bruckner recordings of which I was aware. That
is one I don't know. (I only know 9 Asahina recordings of the 7th -- somehow I
seem to have missed a tenth!!!).
Henry Fogel
Torgny Gustafsson
I would be very, very grateful for any information, even very
incomplete, about his Mahler recordings.
TG
Heybrook
>I would be very, very grateful for any information, even very
>incomplete, about his Mahler recordings.
Here is Asahina's Mahler recording list:
1. Das Lied recorded in 1995 Canyon Classics PCCL00523 1500 yen.
2. Symphony No. 2 recorded in 1995 Canyon Classics PCCL00521 2,000 yen.
3. Symphony No. 3 recorded in 1995 Canyon Classics PCCL00522 2,000 yen.
4. Symphony No. 2 recorded in the 80s King Firebird KICC336 USD $32.36.
5. Das Lied recorded in the 80s King Firebird KICC335 USD $19.41.
6. Symphony No. 9 recorded in the 80s King Firebird KICC338 USD $32.36.
7. Symphony No. 8 recorded in the 70s Victor JVC VICC40149 USD $42.89 (Out of
print)
Hope it helps.
Bobby
Heybrook
>That
>is one I don't know. (I only know 9 Asahina recordings of the 7th -- somehow
>I
>seem to have missed a tenth!!!).
I am sure the list is going to be more confusing when record companies decide
to release all those recordings in the radio archive.
Bobby
HenryFogel
>Date: 2/10/2002 11:54 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20020210125410...@mb-ch.aol.com>
As far as I know, the above list is complete. The specific dates are as
follows. Das Lied von der Erde first recording was Oct 19, 1984, second was
Nov. 11, 1995. The Second Symphony first recording was Aoruk 26m 1987, second
recording was July 23, 1995. Third Sym Was Sept 17, 1995. 8th Symphony was
June 5-6, 1972. Ninth Symphony was Feb 15, 1983.
Henry Fogel
Torgny Gustafsson
Many thanks to both of you!! Isn't this interesting - 7 Mahler
recordings in all, but 10 Bruckner 7s?
TG
HenryFogel
>recordings in all, but 10 Bruckner 7s?
>
>TG
Although it is difficult to explain 10 Bruckner 7s, remember that Asahina's
recordings are almost exclusively live in-concert recordings, with the
recording idea often originating with a record company or orchestra official.
He programmed Bruckner much, much more than he programmed Mahler.
There are many conductors who had a much stronger sympathy for one of those
composers than the other. Bernstein, for instance, never conducted most of the
Bruckner symphonies. Barenboim has done Bruckner consistently and often for
almost twenty-five years, but Mahler rarely -- though he is doing a bit more
Mahler now. Furtwangler conducted Brucker with far greater frequency than
Mahler.
Henry Fogel
Torgny Gustafsson
What are the recording contracts for Japanese orchestras so that this
level of duplication can be done? By US standards, this could not be
accomplished even when CDs sold well here.
TG
HenryFogel
>From: gus...@physics.rutgers.edu (Torgny Gustafsson)
>Date: 2/15/2002 5:47 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3c6cf30c.220843521@news>
Each Japanese orchestra makes its own recording arrangements, and the rates
vary. Some have recording rights included in their regular salaries. I believe
that virtually all of them make a tiny fraction of what a US orchestra member
makes from recordings.
In addition, Asahina was, particularly in the final decade or so of his life, a
true superstar in Japan. I was lucky enough to attend two of his concerts in
Tokyo in 1991 and 1994 -- both of which were not only completely sold out, but
were sold out almost instantaneously. I suspect that even his duplcate
versions of Bruckner symphonies sold enough to justify what was probably a low
recording cost, at least by our standards.
Henry Fogel