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<Gladiolus Boom...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I remember Carol Neblett exposing her breasts in Poppea. Can anyone
> recall similar situations in any operatic productions past or present?
>
Bill Pittman
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> > I remember Carol Neblett exposing her breasts in Poppea. Can anyone
> > recall similar situations in any operatic productions past or present?
Strauss's "Salome" is sometimes done with a complete striptease, as I
understand.
Also, Ginastera's "Bomarzo" has a bare-breasted scene.
Matthew B. Tepper
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Neblett bared all, frontally to the audience, in a 1970s _Thaďs_ in New
Orleans.
I think there has been an occasional _Susannah_ wherein the title heroine
takes her Biblical bath au naturel.
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: Bill Pittman <willi...@global2000.net> appears to have caused the
:> Strauss's "Salome" is sometimes done with a complete striptease, as I
:> understand.
:> Also, Ginastera's "Bomarzo" has a bare-breasted scene.
:
: Neblett bared all, frontally to the audience, in a 1970s _Tha?s_ in New
: Orleans.
:
: I think there has been an occasional _Susannah_ wherein the title heroine
: takes her Biblical bath au naturel.
There have also been occasional Wagner performances featuring on-stage nudity.
I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which the
Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of deshabille. Am
I mixing up two reviews in my head, or have there not also been "Rheingold"
performances that have featured naked Rhine maidens?
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> There have also been occasional Wagner performances featuring on-stage nudity.
> I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which the
> Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of deshabille.
The NYC Opera, being as they are cutting edge, can't seem to get through a
performance of anything without someone whipping out the goods. I remember their
Orfeo & Euridice had a Hades filled with a dozen naked people fumbling with paper
mache boulders. Gluck would have gotten a kick out of it, I'll bet.
Brian
Andy Lord
Daniel Kessler
characters nude...as in his production of "Dr. Faust" at tne NYC Opera when the Duke
and Duchess of Parma were seen nude.
Also, Peter Sellars, in the Salzburg production of Ligeti's "Le Grand Macabre" had
one of the sopranos nude. The production traveled to the Chatelet in Paris where I
saw it.
Ray Hall
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| The animals are all naked in Janacek's Cunning Little Vixen.
I've never seen a fox in a tuxedo yet Sonnarat. But maybe I don't get out
that much <g>
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Bill Pittman
wrote:
> There have also been occasional Wagner performances featuring on-stage
> nudity.
> I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which the
> Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of deshabille. Am
> I mixing up two reviews in my head, or have there not also been "Rheingold"
> performances that have featured naked Rhine maidens?
Then there is the mistranslation of directions for the Busoni Piano
Concerto, which has the male chorus performing in the nude!
It was supposed to be "backstage".
Matthew B. Tepper
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> In rec.music.classical.recordings "Matthew?B.?Tepper"
> <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>: Bill Pittman <willi...@global2000.net> appears to have caused the
>
>:> Strauss's "Salome" is sometimes done with a complete striptease, as
>:> I understand.
>
>:> Also, Ginastera's "Bomarzo" has a bare-breasted scene.
>:
>: Neblett bared all, frontally to the audience, in a 1970s _Tha?s_ in
>: New Orleans.
>:
>: I think there has been an occasional _Susannah_ wherein the title
>: heroine takes her Biblical bath au naturel.
>
> There have also been occasional Wagner performances featuring on-stage
> nudity. I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which
> the Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of
> deshabille. Am I mixing up two reviews in my head, or have there not
> also been "Rheingold" performances that have featured naked Rhine
> maidens?
Yes, at Bayreuth even!
Ward Hardman
: sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il wrote:
Didn't Prokofieff's "Fiery Angel" get presented about a decade ago with an
"orgiastic nude finale in a convent setting." (That brings to mind recent
headlines about nun molestation.)
--Ward Hardman
"The older I get, the more I admire and crave competence, just simple
competence, in any field from adultery to zoology."
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Big Bob
by any stretch of the term. They are people, often kiddies, in heavy,
usually uncomfortable costumes.
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Larry Rinkel
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Indeed, the words are so close. But no one has yet mentioned an opera were
nudity, and quite a lot of it, is actually directed, the Golden Calf scene
in Act Two of Moses und Aron. At one point four naked virgins ("naked to the
extent that the rules and necessities of the stage allow and require," says
Schoenberg in a footnote) are sacrificed, but not before singing in 4-part
12-tone harmony. They give a little "death-cry," pianissimo, in
Sprechstimme, with priests around to plunge knives into the girls' hearts
and basins to catch the blood.
Later, there is also a naked youth, who "runs forward to a girl, tears the
clothes from her body, lifts her high and runs with her to the altar,"
singing, "Eurem Vorbild, Goetter, leben wir die Liebe nach," which basically
means, "let's fuck!" And then, say the stage directions, "Many men follow
this example, throw their clothes aside, strip women and bear them off the
same way toward the background, pausing at the altar," screaming, "Heilig
ist die Lust!" Eventually "a whole succession of naked people, screaming and
yelling, run past the altar in this manner and disappear in the background."
I regret that in neither of the two productions of this opera I've seen
where the stage directions literally followed. Talk about not being faithful
to the score! But if you're convinced you don't like Schoenberg, maybe this
will change your mind...
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Ray Hall wrote:
>
> "Sonarrat" <sona...@stormloader.com> wrote in message
> news:TWaT9.7$L43...@news.oracle.com...
> | The animals are all naked in Janacek's Cunning Little Vixen.
>
> I've never seen a fox in a tuxedo yet Sonnarat. But maybe I don't get out
> that much <g>
Ah, then you missed L.A. Opera's production of "Fantastic Mr. Fox?"
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Big Bob wrote:
>
> Sorry, but the animals in VIXEN aren't really animals and they're not naked
> by any stretch of the term. They are people, often kiddies, in heavy,
> usually uncomfortable costumes.
Thanks for telling us - of course no one else knew that, we're all so
inexperienced with opera!
Larry Rinkel
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Maybe Sonarrat didn't know.
Sonarrat
"Larry Rinkel" <LRi...@optonline.nete> wrote in message
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Maybe Sonarrat was trying to be funny and you're all way too old for my jokes?
Lis K. Froding
>
> The NYC Opera, being as they are cutting edge, can't seem to get through a
> performance of anything without someone whipping out the goods.
Nonsense.
> I remember their
> Orfeo & Euridice had a Hades filled with a dozen naked people fumbling with paper
> mache boulders. Gluck would have gotten a kick out of it, I'll bet.
Actually, there were ten people. Dancers.
Lis
horizon
"Larry Rinkel" <LRi...@optonline.nete> wrote in message
> I regret that in neither of the two productions of this opera I've seen
> where the stage directions literally followed. Talk about not being
faithful
> to the score! But if you're convinced you don't like Schoenberg, maybe
this
> will change your mind...
If they did that, they could try marketing it to the "Oh, Calcutta" crowd...
Matt C
Ivailo Partchev
RAF officers) burst out of their shower booths buck naked and towel their
things in perfect timing to the music praising the virtues of their ladies.
La mia Dorabella ecc ecc
<sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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In rec.music.classical.recordings "Matthew?B.?Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net>
Larry Rinkel
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post. After several decades, I don't remember much I learned in my youth,
but I think I was taught that distinction in grammar school.
Daniel Kessler
like a symphony with piano obbligato? That's got to be one of the most odd
pieces ever written. It is almost never done and who would care to learn it?
Its fiendishly difficult I know that there is no "law" that decrees you cannot
have a five movement piano concerto, most have three. But still!!!
Daniel Kessler
"Moses" had thought of having the four naked virgins in the nude, she
interviewed several strippers that were flown up to Boston from NYC but gave up
on the idea and instead, had four dancers in body stockings.
GMcNally
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned DSCH's Lady Macbeth in Mtensk.
That's coming to the Baltimore Opera next month as part of the Vivat!
celebration of St. Petersbergs 300th anniversary.
Jerry
Bill Pittman
Daniel Kessler <dkes...@pop.cybernex.net> wrote:
> are you talking about the Five movement "piano concerto" he wrote that is
> more
> like a symphony with piano obbligato?
Yes.
That's got to be one of the most odd
> pieces ever written. It is almost never done and who would care to learn it?
Well, I had to learn one of the choral parts in 1967 when I sang with
the Cleveland Orchestra Chorus. Szell conducted it with Pietro Scarpino
as soloist. Fantastic solo performance! The orchestra & chorus were
pretty good too.
> Its fiendishly difficult I know that there is no "law" that decrees you
> cannot
> have a five movement piano concerto, most have three. But still!!!
Yes, it's fiendishly difficult. But I love it! There's a pretty good
Cleveland Orch. recording, with Ohlsson and Dohnanyi.
Matthew B. Tepper
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At least you're not the result of social promotion in the Oregon public
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Edward A. Cowan
its concerts of Jan.23-25, 2003. The pianist is Marc-André Hamelin, and
the conductor will be Andrew Litton.
Thanks, btw., for the reference to the Cleveland Orch. recording of this
work. I do seem to recall an Angel recording from long ago and far
away...
--E.A.C.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Sonarrat wrote:
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> "Larry Rinkel" <LRi...@optonline.nete> wrote in message
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> > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > >
> > > Big Bob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, but the animals in VIXEN aren't really animals and they're not
> > naked
> > > > by any stretch of the term. They are people, often kiddies, in heavy,
> > > > usually uncomfortable costumes.
> > >
> > > Thanks for telling us - of course no one else knew that, we're all so
> > > inexperienced with opera!
> >
> > Maybe Sonarrat didn't know.
>
> Maybe Sonarrat was trying to be funny and you're all way too old for my jokes?
Not all! But some, whatever their ages, have no sense of humor - hadn't
you noticed? (If you forget the "smiley", they take it seriously - no
matter how ridiculous the comment.)
Daniel Kessler
it. I did drive 800 miles to Chicago in December to hear Renee Fleming and
Thomas Hampson in "Thais" but that is another story.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> "Sonarrat" <sona...@stormloader.com> wrote in message
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>> The animals are all naked in Janacek's Cunning Little Vixen. Does
>> that count?
>
> I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned DSCH's Lady Macbeth in Mtensk.
Unfortunately, it wasn't done that way by the Kirov in Los Angeles. :--(
> That's coming to the Baltimore Opera next month as part of the Vivat!
> celebration of St. Petersbergs 300th anniversary.
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There have been two: Ogdon/Revenaugh/RPO and Donohoe/Elder/BBCSO.
The others that come to mind:
Ohlssohn/Dohnanyi/Cleveland Orchestra
Hamelin/Elder/CBSO
Lively/Gielen/SWFSO
Banfield/Lutz Herbig/Bavarian RSO
Boris Bloch/Eschenbach/Zurich Tonhalle Orchestra
I'd go on, but the head of the Josh Groban Appreciation Society has
declared me an "uninformed pseudo-intellectual" who "really ought to put
more thought and research into [my] postings," so I'll let it go at that.
Larry Rinkel
> In article <3E1ED2C8...@pop.cybernex.net>,
> Daniel Kessler <dkes...@pop.cybernex.net> wrote:
>
> > are you talking about the Five movement "piano concerto" he wrote that
is
> > more
> > like a symphony with piano obbligato?
>
> Yes.
>
> That's got to be one of the most odd
> > pieces ever written. It is almost never done and who would care to
learn it?
>
> Well, I had to learn one of the choral parts in 1967 when I sang with
> the Cleveland Orchestra Chorus. Szell conducted it with Pietro Scarpino
> as soloist. Fantastic solo performance! The orchestra & chorus were
> pretty good too.
I trust you didn't have to perform in the nude.
Samir Golescu
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Larry Rinkel wrote:
> > Well, I had to learn one of the choral parts in 1967 when I sang with
> > the Cleveland Orchestra Chorus. Szell conducted it with Pietro Scarpino
> > as soloist. Fantastic solo performance! The orchestra & chorus were
> > pretty good too.
>
> I trust you didn't have to perform in the nude.
Look who's taking the side of the army of snobs who buried classical music
under conventions & heavy clothing!!!
regards,
SG
(:
Lee Goodman
specialty of neglected, but highly accessible Romantic repertoire. I
have many of his recordings including the Busoni.
He will ne in Kansas City for a recital on Feb 15 and will play some
of the Godowsky studies on Chopin Etudes. I cannot wait.
Matthew B. Tepper
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Once he has played in all the world capitals such as Kansas City, I think
it would be really nice if he'd come to this obscure burg of Los Angeles
and play for the five or six people here who have heard of him. (Well,
he's going to be playing in Costa Mesa in May, which is only a two-hour
drive away, but it's the principle of the thing!)
Sonarrat
> Sonarrat wrote:
> > "Larry Rinkel" <LRi...@optonline.nete> wrote in message
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> > > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3E1E34E2...@earthlink.net...
> > > > Big Bob wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but the animals in VIXEN aren't really animals and they're not
> > > naked
> > > > > by any stretch of the term. They are people, often kiddies, in heavy,
> > > > > usually uncomfortable costumes.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for telling us - of course no one else knew that, we're all so
> > > > inexperienced with opera!
> > >
> > > Maybe Sonarrat didn't know.
> >
> > Maybe Sonarrat was trying to be funny and you're all way too old for my
jokes?
>
> Not all! But some, whatever their ages, have no sense of humor - hadn't
> you noticed? (If you forget the "smiley", they take it seriously - no
> matter how ridiculous the comment.)
I have your toaster. I am demanding a ransom of 25 lint balls and a copy of
"Kitten on the Keys." Drop it off at 5 am Wednesday morning in the phone booth
next to the pet store. Refuse, and the toaster gets it!
Sonarrat
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> are you talking about the Five movement "piano concerto" he wrote that is more
> like a symphony with piano obbligato? That's got to be one of the most odd
> pieces ever written. It is almost never done and who would care to learn it?
> Its fiendishly difficult I know that there is no "law" that decrees you
cannot
> have a five movement piano concerto,
...As the Prokofiev 5th concerto also does.
> most have three. But still!!!
It's a beautiful work, certainly among his best. If I had six years to kill, I
would learn it.
Larry Rinkel
>
>
> Sonarrat wrote:
> >
> > "Larry Rinkel" <LRi...@optonline.nete> wrote in message
> > news:TXrT9.53346$FT6.8...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote in
message
> > > news:3E1E34E2...@earthlink.net...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Big Bob wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but the animals in VIXEN aren't really animals and they're
not
> > > naked
> > > > > by any stretch of the term. They are people, often kiddies, in
heavy,
> > > > > usually uncomfortable costumes.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for telling us - of course no one else knew that, we're all
so
> > > > inexperienced with opera!
> > >
> > > Maybe Sonarrat didn't know.
> >
> > Maybe Sonarrat was trying to be funny and you're all way too old for my
jokes?
>
> Not all! But some, whatever their ages, have no sense of humor - hadn't
> you noticed? (If you forget the "smiley", they take it seriously - no
> matter how ridiculous the comment.)
>
someone is, but someone seems incapable of writing a paragraph without
enclosing the last sentence in parentheses.)
Brian Cantin
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> following letters to be typed in news:23397f72.0301102012.215e0787
> @posting.google.com:
>
> > Marc-Andre Hamelin is a pianist of titanic virtuosity who has made a
> > specialty of neglected, but highly accessible Romantic repertoire. I
> > have many of his recordings including the Busoni.
> >
> > He will ne in Kansas City for a recital on Feb 15 and will play some
> > of the Godowsky studies on Chopin Etudes. I cannot wait.
>
> Once he has played in all the world capitals such as Kansas City, I
> think it would be really nice if he'd come to this obscure burg of
> Los Angeles and play for the five or six people here who have heard
> of him. (Well, he's going to be playing in Costa Mesa in May, which
> is only a two-hour drive away, but it's the principle of the thing!)
Hey, Costa Mesa is only 45 minutes from the South Bay area. You're
just bitter because you're living on the wrong end of town.
--
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Wayne Reimer
The broadcast of the live performance that Ohlsson did with the
Cleveland is by far the best performance of this piece I've ever heard.
Too bad they didn't release that mind-boggling performance instead of
the much less compelling studio performance, which is good enough, but
doesn't have the fire and intensity and sense of genuine music making
that the broadcast did.
It's weird how ill-served Ohlsson is in his recordings; I don't know of
any of them that even come lose to hinting at his marvelous capabilities
as a live performer. It's really a shame. He's one of the very few who
can perform in such a way that I know on the spot that it's unlikely
that I'll ever in my lifetime hear another performance of the piece that
will be as good. When he's "on", it is truly extraordinary. But you
would never know that from the recordings.
wr
Daniel Kessler
of retrospective but I didn't see any mention of the gargantuan piano concerto of which we've been
speaking.
Yikes! Would like the opportunity of hearing this piece at least once in my lifetime.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> According to a recent piece in the NY TIMES, Ohlsson is performing some
> Busoni piano works in a sort of retrospective but I didn't see any
> mention of the gargantuan piano concerto of which we've been speaking.
>
> Yikes! Would like the opportunity of hearing this piece at least once
> in my lifetime.
But he *is* playing the Fantasia Contrappuntistica. Why not settle for
that, under the circumstances?
Daniel Kessler
section. Anyone know when that piece ia being played and where?
Wayne Reimer
interesting, with the Toccata and the Chopin Variations on the bill
among other things.
> In article <3E2200F2...@pop.cybernex.net>, dkes...@pop.cybernex.net says...
Daniel Kessler
opera "Dr. Faust?"
Alexander Damyanovich
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> "Sonarrat" <sona...@stormloader.com> wrote in message
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> > The animals are all naked in Janacek's Cunning Little Vixen. Does that
count?
>
> I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned DSCH's Lady Macbeth in Mtensk.
For those of us who don't know his musical signature, that's Dmítriy
Dmitrjévich Shostakóvich. [S, abbreviated from Es = Eb {E-flat} and H =
B-natural.] Also, the proper title is "Lady Macbeth of Mtsjénsk District."
>
> That's coming to the Baltimore Opera next month as part of the Vivat!
> celebration of St. Petersbergs 300th anniversary.
At last, mention of an opera that requires Katjerína and Sjergjéy to
actually have sexual intercourse (!!!) in Act I, Scene 3 (or 4, if the 1st
scene be split up - which could be done excellently and fully justifiably
with no interruption to the music whatsoever...) as well as in Act II, Scene
1 (where Sjergjéy gets horsewhipped by Borís Timofjéjevich Izmáylov - his
back must be naked!) and Act II, Scene 2 (where the lovers are in bed...).
Dan Koren
> "Daniel Kessler" <dkes...@pop.cybernex.net> wrote in message
> news:3E1ED2C8...@pop.cybernex.net...
>
> > are you talking about the Five movement "piano concerto" he wrote that is more
> > like a symphony with piano obbligato? That's got to be one of the most odd
> > pieces ever written. It is almost never done and who would care to learn it?
> > Its fiendishly difficult I know that there is no "law" that decrees you
> cannot
> > have a five movement piano concerto,
>
> ...As the Prokofiev 5th concerto also does.
>
> > most have three. But still!!!
>
> It's a beautiful work, certainly among his best.
> If I had six years to kill, I would learn it.
It isn't all that hard. Richter learned it
in two weeks :)
dk
Dan Koren
> I remember a BBC version of Cosi Fan Tutte where Ferrando and Guglielmo (two
> RAF officers) burst out of their shower booths buck naked and towel their
> things in perfect timing to the music praising the virtues of their ladies.
> La mia Dorabella ecc ecc
>
>
> <sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:avj2b2$6kq$4...@news.iucc.ac.il...
> In rec.music.classical.recordings "Matthew?B.?Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> : Bill Pittman <willi...@global2000.net> appears to have caused the
>
> :> Strauss's "Salome" is sometimes done with a complete striptease, as I
> :> understand.
>
> :> Also, Ginastera's "Bomarzo" has a bare-breasted scene.
> :
> : Neblett bared all, frontally to the audience, in a 1970s _Tha?s_ in New
> : Orleans.
> :
> : I think there has been an occasional _Susannah_ wherein the title heroine
> : takes her Biblical bath au naturel.
>
> There have also been occasional Wagner performances featuring on-stage
> nudity.
> I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which the
> Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of deshabille. Am
> I mixing up two reviews in my head, or have there not also been "Rheingold"
> performances that have featured naked Rhine maidens?
>
You saw "Tannhaeuser" at Bar-Ilan ?!?!?
Wow !!!
dk
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
:> I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which the
:> Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of deshabille. Am
:> I mixing up two reviews in my head, or have there not also been "Rheingold"
:> performances that have featured naked Rhine maidens?
: You saw "Tannhaeuser" at Bar-Ilan ?!?!?
So much for reading comprehension.
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Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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Dan Koren
> In rec.music.classical.recordings Dan Koren <dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :> I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which the
> :> Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of deshabille. Am
> :> I mixing up two reviews in my head, or have there not also been "Rheingold"
> :> performances that have featured naked Rhine maidens?
>
> : You saw "Tannhaeuser" at Bar-Ilan ?!?!?
>
> So much for reading comprehension.
OK, let's rephrase -- you saw Tannhaeuser on TV in Israel ?!?
dk
J.Venning
longer shocks the public. Concerning the Rhine Maidens, I happen to know the
soprano, whose name I withhold, who sang it in Bayreuth in the late 70s. The
staging was such that the Rhine Maidens were swimming in a large make-shift
pool on stage, and their flowing garments became so excessively cumbersome
in the water, that they decided upon themselves to do away with garments.
The director was more than happy - so were the audiences.
J.
"Dan Koren" <dank...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
:> :> I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which the
:> :> Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of deshabille.
:> : You saw "Tannhaeuser" at Bar-Ilan ?!?!?
:>
:> So much for reading comprehension.
:
: OK, let's rephrase -- you saw Tannhaeuser on TV in Israel ?!?
Nothing in what I wrote makes any mention of where I was at the time
that I saw the "Tannhaeuser" production. As it happens, since Israeli cable
television carries stations from other countries (including an Austrian
station and the French "Mezzo" music channel), it is not completely
inconceivable that one might see TV broadcast of a Wagner opera while being
physically located in Israel.
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Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"You go on playing Bach your way, and I'll go on playing him *his* way."
-- Wanda Landowska
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
"J.Venning" wrote:
>
> Nudity has become quite common in opera staging, so much so that it no
> longer shocks the public. Concerning the Rhine Maidens, I happen to know the
> soprano, whose name I withhold, who sang it in Bayreuth in the late 70s. The
> staging was such that the Rhine Maidens were swimming in a large make-shift
> pool on stage, and their flowing garments became so excessively cumbersome
> in the water, that they decided upon themselves to do away with garments.
> The director was more than happy - so were the audiences.
The nudity is less shocking than the idea that any director would expect
them to sing and swim (in actual water) simultaneously! (Unless they
were aliens from another, more watery planet, thus equipped with gills.)
Arthur La Porta
>
> "J.Venning" wrote:
> >
> > Nudity has become quite common in opera staging, so much so that it no
> > longer shocks the public. Concerning the Rhine Maidens, I happen to know the
> > soprano, whose name I withhold, who sang it in Bayreuth in the late 70s. The
> > staging was such that the Rhine Maidens were swimming in a large make-shift
> > pool on stage, and their flowing garments became so excessively cumbersome
> > in the water, that they decided upon themselves to do away with garments.
> > The director was more than happy - so were the audiences.
>
> The nudity is less shocking than the idea that any director would expect
> them to sing and swim (in actual water) simultaneously! (Unless they
> were aliens from another, more watery planet, thus equipped with gills.)
>
The production refered to was actually from the 80's, with Solti as
conductor. The description I read said that it would have been a more
fitting centenial production than the Boulez which came before it,
because it was the only one ever to match the level of failure achieved
in the first production.
While we are on the subject, Kulture's DVD of Boito's Mephisophele has
some bare boobs in the first act, as well as a simulated sex act. And
Zeffelini's Pagliacci video has fontal male nudity. (oh dear).
Arthur La Porta
Oh, and who could forget Karajan's 1979 Rheingold video, with
bare-breasted Rheinmaidens being slung around the stage on cables. Just
too ridiculous to watch without laughing out loud.
Dan Koren
> In rec.music.classical.recordings Dan Koren <dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :> :> I remember seeing on TV a production of "Tannhaeuser" in which the
> :> :> Vensuberg sequence featured dancers in various stages of deshabille.
>
> :> : You saw "Tannhaeuser" at Bar-Ilan ?!?!?
> :>
> :> So much for reading comprehension.
> :
> : OK, let's rephrase -- you saw Tannhaeuser on TV in Israel ?!?
>
> Nothing in what I wrote makes any mention of where I
> was at the time that I saw the "Tannhaeuser" production.
That is indeed true. I was just testing you! :)
> As it happens, since Israeli cable television carries
> stations from other countries (including an Austrian
> station and the French "Mezzo" music channel), it is
> not completely inconceivable that one might see TV
> broadcast of a Wagner opera while being physically
> located in Israel.
Well, this is news to me. I thought the only TV programs
available in Israel were run by the IBA. In my days it
was supposed to be against the wishes and philosophy of
every political party all the way from the right to the
left that radio and TV must be owned and controlled by
the state. I remember quite distinctly a great comedy
program in the early and mid 70's that was scrapped
overnight because it poked some fun at Joseph Burg! :)
dk
Dan Koren
> Nudity has become quite common in opera staging, so much so that it no
> longer shocks the public. Concerning the Rhine Maidens, I happen to know the
> soprano, whose name I withhold, who sang it in Bayreuth in the late 70s. The
> staging was such that the Rhine Maidens were swimming in a large make-shift
> pool on stage, and their flowing garments became so excessively cumbersome
> in the water, that they decided upon themselves to do away with garments.
> The director was more than happy - so were the audiences.
>
We've known all along what Bayreuth was about! :)
dk
Matthew B. Tepper (if there are backslashes in this address, it is forged)
caused the following letters to be typed in
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> "J.Venning" wrote:
>>
>> Nudity has become quite common in opera staging, so much so that it no
>> longer shocks the public. Concerning the Rhine Maidens, I happen to
>> know the soprano, whose name I withhold, who sang it in Bayreuth in
>> the late 70s. The staging was such that the Rhine Maidens were
>> swimming in a large make-shift pool on stage, and their flowing
>> garments became so excessively cumbersome in the water, that they
>> decided upon themselves to do away with garments. The director was
>> more than happy - so were the audiences.
>
> The nudity is less shocking than the idea that any director would
> expect them to sing and swim (in actual water) simultaneously!
> (Unless they were aliens from another, more watery planet, thus
> equipped with gills.)
Oh, come now, this is a European stage director we're talking about.
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: Well, this is news to me. I thought the only TV programs
: available in Israel were run by the IBA. In my days it
: was supposed to be against the wishes and philosophy of
: every political party all the way from the right to the
: left that radio and TV must be owned and controlled by
: the state. I remember quite distinctly a great comedy
: program in the early and mid 70's that was scrapped
: overnight because it poked some fun at Joseph Burg! :)
Even at the time that you were here, Israelis could watch Jordanian TV
and keep up with the latest happenings on the American TV shows. But
even without cable or satellite, there has been Channel 2 (commercial)
for quite some time, and Middle East TV (a Christian TV station that has
a Cyprus email address but I think that the transmitter is in Lebanon, that
used to show Ed Sullivan reruns and now shows "Gilligan's Island" and
"F Troop" reruns along with NFL Football).
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Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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It's a bird, it's a plane -- no, it's Mozart. . .
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
Yet another case of "No nudes is good nudes."
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Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
Dan Koren
> In rec.music.classical.recordings Dan Koren <dank...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> : Well, this is news to me. I thought the only TV programs
> : available in Israel were run by the IBA. In my days it
> : was supposed to be against the wishes and philosophy of
> : every political party all the way from the right to the
> : left that radio and TV must be owned and controlled by
> : the state. I remember quite distinctly a great comedy
> : program in the early and mid 70's that was scrapped
> : overnight because it poked some fun at Joseph Burg! :)
>
> Even at the time that you were here, Israelis could watch Jordanian
> TV and keep up with the latest happenings on the American TV shows.
Well, I don't normally watch TV -- except for news during
wartime.
> But
> even without cable or satellite, there has been Channel 2 (commercial)
> for quite some time, and Middle East TV (a Christian TV station that has
> a Cyprus email address but I think that the transmitter is in Lebanon,
> that used to show Ed Sullivan reruns and now shows "Gilligan's Island"
> and "F Troop" reruns along with NFL Football).
>
And Bar-Ilan tolerates all that ?!? Oy, what has the world
come to.... :)
dk
Richard C.
"Arthur La Porta" <al...@cornell.edu> wrote in message news:3E2B2190...@cornell.edu...
:
: While we are on the subject, Kulture's DVD of Boito's Mephisophele has
: some bare boobs in the first act, as well as a simulated sex act. And
: Zeffelini's Pagliacci video has fontal male nudity. (oh dear).
============================
Boobs?
One would think that in opera, at least, they would properly be called breasts.
Matthew B. Tepper (if there are backslashes in this address, it is forged)
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On the women, yes. The word "boobs" more properly applies to the
directors.
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I thought that in the US it was politically correct to say "white meat"?
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> > "Arthur La Porta" <al...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
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> >:
> >: While we are on the subject, Kulture's DVD of Boito's Mephisophele
> >: has some bare boobs in the first act, as well as a simulated sex act.
> >: And Zeffelini's Pagliacci video has fontal male nudity. (oh dear).
> >
> >============================
> > Boobs?
> >
> > One would think that in opera, at least, they would properly be called
> > breasts.
>
> On the women, yes. The word "boobs" more properly applies to the
> directors.
This one had both kinds.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Arthur La Porta wrote:
>
>
> While we are on the subject, Kulture's DVD of Boito's Mephisophele has
> some bare boobs in the first act, as well as a simulated sex act. And
> Zeffelini's Pagliacci video has fontal male nudity. (oh dear).
Do you mean Zeferelli? The movie with Stratas? Male, I grant you, but
the boy Nedda was bathing could not have been more than five years old!
Arthur La Porta
All the more shocking!
Ernie A. Blattler
Banff (Canada) Center for the Arts in the mid-80's. The nymphs ,covered only in
the gauziest of chiffons, were 'lounging' in real water (18" deep?), complete
with dinghyand oars.. Conductor was Mario Bernardi.