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Beethoven Piano Concertos - Kempff/Kempen - 1941
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Randy Lane
Apr 10, 2015, 8:37:47 PM4/10/15
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Does anyone know if the 1941 set of Beethoven Piano Concertos with Wilhelm Kempff and the Deutsche Opera Berlin conducted by van Kempen have ever been cut to commercial CD? I don't even recall any of them ever being available on LP. The originals were on Polydor, now Universal/DG. Has anyone here ever heard them? If yes, how do they compare artistically with the other two sets (1953 BPO/Kempen, 1962 BPO/Leitner)?
smo...@hotmail.com
Apr 11, 2015, 2:18:56 AM4/11/15
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Concerto no. 4 from 1941 is in the box of all Kempff's concerto recordings for DG (and Decca). There is also a no. 3 with van Kempen from 1941 but that is with an orchestra from Dresden (if my notes are right). To be honest I haven't compared them to the later recordings.
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R. Edwards
Apr 11, 2015, 2:57:45 AM4/11/15
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On Friday, April 10, 2015 at 8:37:47 PM UTC-4, Randy Lane wrote:
> Does anyone know if the 1941 set of Beethoven Piano Concertos with Wilhelm Kempff and the Deutsche Opera Berlin conducted by van Kempen have ever been cut to commercial CD? I don't even recall any of them ever being available on LP. The originals were on Polydor, now Universal/DG. Has anyone here ever heard them? If yes, how do they compare artistically with the other two sets (1953 BPO/Kempen, 1962 BPO/Leitner)?
The Kempff Beethoven 4th with Van Kempen/ German Opera House Orch. was available on CD from Haenssler coupled with the 5th conducted by Peter Raabe. It's still available as a download from Presto Classical.
> Does anyone know if the 1941 set of Beethoven Piano Concertos with Wilhelm Kempff and the Deutsche Opera Berlin conducted by van Kempen have ever been cut to commercial CD? I don't even recall any of them ever being available on LP. The originals were on Polydor, now Universal/DG. Has anyone here ever heard them? If yes, how do they compare artistically with the other two sets (1953 BPO/Kempen, 1962 BPO/Leitner)?
RiRiIII
Apr 11, 2015, 10:47:03 AM4/11/15
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On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 3:37:47 AM UTC+3, Randy Lane wrote:
> Does anyone know if the 1941 set of Beethoven Piano Concertos with Wilhelm Kempff and the Deutsche Opera Berlin conducted by van Kempen have ever been cut to commercial CD? I don't even recall any of them ever being available on LP. The originals were on Polydor, now Universal/DG. Has anyone here ever heard them? If yes, how do they compare artistically with the other two sets (1953 BPO/Kempen, 1962 BPO/Leitner)?
I am afraid there is no complete 1941 set.
> Does anyone know if the 1941 set of Beethoven Piano Concertos with Wilhelm Kempff and the Deutsche Opera Berlin conducted by van Kempen have ever been cut to commercial CD? I don't even recall any of them ever being available on LP. The originals were on Polydor, now Universal/DG. Has anyone here ever heard them? If yes, how do they compare artistically with the other two sets (1953 BPO/Kempen, 1962 BPO/Leitner)?
The 2013 DG box "The Concerto Recordings" includes acc to. the box notes "... Kempff's complete studio recordings of cocnertos, from his 1925 rec of Beethoven's First to his visionary 1977 performances of Mozart's Nos 21 and 22. Beethoven festures extensively - two complete cycles and a *nearly* complete early traversal..."
So, regarding this *nearly* complete Beethoven early traversal, these are the data as per the above box booklet:
No 1: Kapelle der Staatsoper Berlin, van Kempen; 9/1925
No 3: Dresdner Philharmonie, van Kempen; 6/1942
No 4: Orchester des Deutschen Opernhauses, Berlin, van Kempen; 4/1941
No 5: BPO; Peter Raabe; 6/1936
Alex
Mark Obert-Thorn
Apr 11, 2015, 1:59:23 PM4/11/15
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On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 10:47:03 AM UTC-4, RiRiIII wrote:
> No 1: Kapelle der Staatsoper Berlin, van Kempen; 9/1925
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> No 3: Dresdner Philharmonie, van Kempen; 6/1942
> No 4: Orchester des Deutschen Opernhauses, Berlin, van Kempen; 4/1941
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> No 5: BPO; Peter Raabe; 6/1936
These are coming in a 2-disc set from APR later this year, coupled with solo fillers.
> No 1: Kapelle der Staatsoper Berlin, van Kempen; 9/1925
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> No 3: Dresdner Philharmonie, van Kempen; 6/1942
> No 4: Orchester des Deutschen Opernhauses, Berlin, van Kempen; 4/1941
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> No 5: BPO; Peter Raabe; 6/1936
Mark Obert-Thorn
drh8h
Apr 11, 2015, 2:16:16 PM4/11/15
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Mark Obert-Thorn
Apr 11, 2015, 8:06:44 PM4/11/15
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On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 2:16:16 PM UTC-4, drh8h wrote:
> The previous transfers, esp. DG/Universal's, left quite a lot to be desired. Might we ask if M O-T is the transfer engineer for APR?
Yes.
> The previous transfers, esp. DG/Universal's, left quite a lot to be desired. Might we ask if M O-T is the transfer engineer for APR?
MO-T
RiRiIII
Apr 12, 2015, 2:30:36 AM4/12/15
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Alex
Saint Russell
Apr 12, 2015, 3:07:37 PM4/12/15
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On Saturday, April 11, 2015 at 10:47:03 AM UTC-4, RiRiIII wrote:
> No 1: Kapelle der Staatsoper Berlin, van Kempen; 9/1925
Is this conductor credit right though? I understand the original 78s did not mention any conductor.
Mark Obert-Thorn
Apr 12, 2015, 4:21:56 PM4/12/15
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Mark O-T
vhorowitz
Apr 13, 2015, 12:18:02 AM4/13/15
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