Unreleased Gems cont'd - Karajan Ring 1951 Bayreuth
lockleyt
have the entire Karajan Ring from Bayreuth in 1951 in their archive,
but only act 3 of Walkure has ever been issued. I wrote to Testament
after they released the 1951 Kna Gotterdammerung inquiring after the
rest of that ring. They told me it was missing from the Decca
archives, but that the entire Karajan Ring does exist in EMI's
archive, but the sound is not great and although recorded on tape, the
tape has been cut into four minute sections to be dubbed onto 78
sides. One reason this was never released was because there are many
problems and mistakes in the orchestra, and I recall reading a review
of that ring that commented on the Fricka not knowing her part very
well (was she perhaps a late replacement?). Despite those problems I
am sure many of us would love to hear that first post-war Ring at
Bayreuth, and modern sound-restoration technology can work wonders,
though perhaps not enough if one of singers didn't know the words!
Tim
weary flake
> Reading the 'what hasn't made it to CD' thread, reminded me that EMI
> have the entire Karajan Ring from Bayreuth in 1951 in their archive,
> but only act 3 of Walkure has ever been issued. I wrote to Testament
> after they released the 1951 Kna Gotterdammerung inquiring after the
> rest of that ring. They told me it was missing from the Decca
> archives, but that the entire Karajan Ring does exist in EMI's
> archive, but the sound is not great and although recorded on tape, the
> tape has been cut into four minute sections to be dubbed onto 78
> sides.
They were thinking of publishing the complete Ring on 78s?
400 sides or so? I'd wonder about people owning that set
and dropping one of 78s on the floor or something, that'd
be frustrating.
ivanmaxim
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Ha!!! hadn't thought of that - I believe when the 51 Karajan
Meistersinger was issued on 78s during the last gasp of 78s it was the
biggest single 78 set issued to date Wagner fan
wkasimer
> Reading the 'what hasn't made it to CD' thread, reminded me that EMI
> have the entire Karajan Ring from Bayreuth in 1951 in their archive,
> but only act 3 of Walkure has ever been issued.
I don't know the source, and I've never heard it, but Siegfried from
that cycle has appeared on CD, on both Myto and Walhall, e.g....
http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//WLCD0096.htm
I'm really not sure why anyone would want it.
Bill
ivanmaxim
So has Rheingold and quite a bit of Walkure Act One is available
privately. For me the big problem with the Siegfried is Bernd
Aldenhoff , whose pitchless bleating is very hard to take. Wagner fan
Alan Cooper
news:b2c2f793-647d-4e95...@p38g2000vbn.googlegroups.
com:
Not the same as 78s, but am I correct in recalling that the Solti Ring (or at
least each of the constituent operas) originally was released in changer order? I
remember a friend telling me that her father put a big stack on his record changer
(remember those?) and blissed out for hours in his easy chair. Only had to get up
once to flip the stack :-)
AC
ivanmaxim
> ivanmaxim <ivanmax...@gmail.com> wrote innews:b2c2f793-647d-4e95...@p38g2000vbn.googlegroups.
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Yes they sure were Wagner fan
wkasimer
> Not the same as 78s, but am I correct in recalling that the Solti Ring (or at
> least each of the constituent operas) originally was released in changer order?
I'm pretty sure that's correct. As I recall, Philips LP's were
usually in manual format (i.e. 1/2, 3/4, 5/6), while London and DG
used changer order, as did virtually all of the domestic labels. That
may have been for the American market, though - IIRC, imports from EMI
and Decca were in manual format, at least some of the time.
Bill
ivanmaxim
Bill - I have a copy of the original USA release of the 62 Parsifal
and its in changer order. This is the release with possibly the
stupidest side break in recorded history Amfortas!!!! end of side six.
Beginning of side seven - "die Wunde" !!!!!!! Wagner fan
mark
I happen to like Aldenhoff on that recording. He's certainly
preferable to the ever-voiceless and toneless Windgassen. Now THAT's
bleating if there ever was bleating (with a good amount of Bayreuth
bark tossed in just to really annoy people who love the singing voice)!
O
Cooper <amco...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
The Toscanini Beethoven Symphonies from the 1950's were also released
in this way.
-Owen
ivanmaxim
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The problem I have with Aldenhoff is pitch - he constantly flies off
pitch and it really ruins many of the recordings in which he appears
including studios where you would hope he is better control.g. the
Kempe 51 Meistersinger and Freischutz among others. I believe he died
relatively young from food poisoning. Wagner fan
Dontait...@aol.com
[editing]
> > lockleyt <t.j.lock...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > They were thinking of publishing the complete Ring on 78s?
> > 400 sides or so? I'd wonder about people owning that set
> > and dropping one of 78s on the floor or something, that'd
> > be frustrating.
>
> Ha!!! hadn't thought of that - I believe when the 51 Karajan
> Meistersinger was issued on 78s during the last gasp of 78s it was the
> biggest single 78 set issued to date Wagner fan
If I recall correctly, it was 34 records on English Columbia 78s. 68
sides. I believe the biggest 78 rpm set of a single work ever issued.
Bigger than the Koussevitzky/Boston Bach St. Matthew Passion on 1938
Victor 78s, which was 53 sides. All because even in 1951 EMI's
management wouldn't issue LPs for Die Meistersinger or anything else.
Don Tait
ivanmaxim
I don't know if Legge was involved with that decision but for all that
he was responsible for some wonderful recordings, he was really a hard
ass when it came to other issues. I know he was not an early fan of
stereo and help up the recordings of major works in that medium -also
wasn't he the producer who said to Culshaw when Culshaw told him he
was recording a stereo Rheingold in 1958 - "Oh very nice, but of
course you won't sell any!!!!" Wagner fan
mark
>
> The problem I have with Aldenhoff is pitch - he constantly flies off
> pitch and it really ruins many of the recordings in which he appears
> including studios where you would hope he is better control.g. the
> Kempe 51 Meistersinger and Freischutz among others. I believe he died
> relatively young from food poisoning. Wagner fan
Yes, he tends to sing sharp, most likely due to being overly excited.
richard...@gmail.com
US issues were in automatic order, UK were not. I don't know about
elsewhere.
Matthew B. Tepper
to be typed in news:ca2c4891-2046-44a4-9cfd-fb324dbc11f0
@m35g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> Bill - I have a copy of the original USA release of the 62 Parsifal
> and its in changer order. This is the release with possibly the
> stupidest side break in recorded history Amfortas!!!! end of side six.
> Beginning of side seven - "die Wunde" !!!!!!! Wagner fan
Ah, the opera recording equivalent of an actor reading, "Hark! I hear the
cannon's..." [turn page] "...roar!"
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