Erich Rohn/Furtwangler LVB Violin Concerto.

Jarl Sigurd

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Dec 20, 2000, 4:51:50 PM12/20/00

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l'm curious about the 1944 Erich Rohn/Wilhelm Furtwangler
collaboration on the Beethoven Violin concerto. Can anyone
offer any comments or recommendations regarding this
recording. Is there a preferred transfer. Are there any
transfers to be avoided. I already have 3 versions of
Menuhin/Furtwangler performing this work. Does the
wartime Rohn version offer anything the post war Menuhin
performances don't(i.e. more intense playing by Furtwangler
and the BPO)?

Jarl Sigurd

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slimjim

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Dec 20, 2000, 8:43:39 PM12/20/00

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"Jarl Sigurd" <jarls...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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> l'm curious about the 1944 Erich Rohn/Wilhelm Furtwangler
> collaboration on the Beethoven Violin concerto. Can anyone
> offer any comments or recommendations regarding this
> recording. Is there a preferred transfer.

I have Dante and can live with it. I hear the OOP or Japanese OOP DGG are
OK. An alternative I haven't heard is the recent EMI Japan. I suspect unless
you have pipelines to Japan and/or the past you're stuck with Dante.

Are there any
> transfers to be avoided. I already have 3 versions of
> Menuhin/Furtwangler performing this work. Does the
> wartime Rohn version offer anything the post war Menuhin
> performances don't(i.e. more intense playing by Furtwangler
> and the BPO)?

Yes.

>
> Jarl Sigurd
>
> to listen to a symphony composed by Jarl Sigurd visit
> http://geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/4085

Unfortunately my speakers / soundcard / something has given out. Your
picture is scary, though.

Thomas
pseudonymous after being annoyed
tjed2 at cam dot ac dot uk

Jarl Sigurd

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Dec 20, 2000, 11:45:21 PM12/20/00

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slimjim wrote:

>
> Unfortunately my speakers / soundcard / something has given out. Your
> picture is scary, though.

Thank you. I try my best

Jarl Sigurd

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Jarl Sigurd

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Dec 20, 2000, 11:51:49 PM12/20/00

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slimjim wrote:
>
> "Jarl Sigurd" wrote

> > l'm curious about the 1944 Erich Rohn/Wilhelm Furtwangler
> > collaboration on the Beethoven Violin concerto. Can anyone
> > offer any comments or recommendations regarding this
> > recording. Is there a preferred transfer.
>
> I have Dante and can live with it. I hear the OOP or Japanese OOP DGG are
> OK. An alternative I haven't heard is the recent EMI Japan. I suspect unless
> you have pipelines to Japan and/or the past you're stuck with Dante.

The version I saw available locally was part of a boxed set put
out by an Italian label called Golden Memories. It also featured
Milsten/Walter performing the Mendelsohn concerto and Heifetz/
Barbiroli doing one of the Mozart concertos. Regretably the
Fuhrtwangler/Rohn was split between CD 1 and 2. Anyone familiar
with this version?

Tripletz

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Dec 21, 2000, 6:25:54 AM12/21/00

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I have the DG incarnation. I haven't heard any other transfer, and I also
have not heard the Menuhin/Furt for probably two decades, so I hesitate to make
a comparison. I can heartily recommend the
DG Rohn/Furt. The transfer seems vivid, the soloist is more than adequate, and
certainly one can get a more than adequate view of Furtwangler's Beethoven from
this performance.

Tripletz

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Dec 21, 2000, 6:27:24 AM12/21/00

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>The version I saw available locally was part of a boxed set put
>out by an Italian label called Golden Memories.

I have no first hand experience with Golden Memories, but believe that it is
an
Italian Pirate of dubious ethics. caveat emptor.

samir golescu

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Dec 21, 2000, 2:11:18 PM12/21/00

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Yes, Jarl, Rohn is an excellent version and, in what regards the
orchestral part, this is my favorite Furtwangler recording (followed
closely by Menuhin-live 1947). The BPO playing is extremely coherent,
tense, faster than in the 195sh recs. w/ Menuhin and Schneiderhan.

I have the Golden Shtink album--the transfers are awful. The OOP DG was
much better.

regards,
SG

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Jarl Sigurd

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Dec 21, 2000, 12:09:50 PM12/21/00

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samir golescu wrote in message ...

>
>
>Yes, Jarl, Rohn is an excellent version and, in what regards the
>orchestral part, this is my favorite Furtwangler recording (followed
>closely by Menuhin-live 1947). The BPO playing is extremely coherent,
>tense, faster than in the 195sh recs. w/ Menuhin and Schneiderhan.
>
>I have the Golden Shtink album--the transfers are awful. The OOP DG was
>much better.

I take it you mean Golden Memories. Do you think I should hold off until
I can get it on a better transfer. I'm not to happy with the fact that the
Golden Memories set splits the Rohn-Furtwangler between two CD's.
Why couldn't they have done that to the Milstein-Mendelsohn or Heifetz
Mozart instead? I don't want to get stuck with another Iron Needle
quality transfer like I did with the Walter Mahler 9 I made the mistake of
buying.

Jarl Sigurd

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HenryFogel

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Dec 23, 2000, 4:51:47 AM12/23/00

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>Subject: Erich Rohn/Furtwangler LVB Violin Concerto.
>From: "Jarl Sigurd" jarls...@geocities.com
>Date: 12/20/00 3:51 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <Joc06.9998$t3.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>

>
>l'm curious about the 1944 Erich Rohn/Wilhelm Furtwangler
>collaboration on the Beethoven Violin concerto. Can anyone
>offer any comments or recommendations regarding this
>recording. Is there a preferred transfer. Are there any
>transfers to be avoided. I already have 3 versions of
>Menuhin/Furtwangler performing this work. Does the
>wartime Rohn version offer anything the post war Menuhin
>performances don't(i.e. more intense playing by Furtwangler
>and the BPO)?
>
>Jarl Sigurd
>

The Rohn performance is typical of wartime Furtwangler -- it has a more
incisive rhythmic snap and overall intensity than any of the
Menuhin/Furtwangler Beethoven Concertos, and Rohn is a good violinist if not
with the imagination of Menuhin. This is different enough from the others to
warrant having it. The out of print DG is, as others have said, the best
transfer of which I'm aware. The performance, by the way, was from the last
concert given at the old Berlin Philharmonie before it was destroyed by Allied
bombs. Strauss' Symphonia Domestica was the other work on the concert. There
is a decent AS Disc transfer (not as good as DG, but not bad) of this entire
concert -- AS Disc 331/32.

Henry Fogel

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Jan 25, 2014, 5:14:28 AM1/25/14

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I live with the Rohn family and if you would like more information can put you in discussion regarding this.
Best!
Ana de la Vega

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Willem Orange

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Jan 25, 2014, 5:19:09 AM1/25/14

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Henry - always great to read you. Do you know if the US Furtwangler Society folded???? it was handled by David Thieriot (sp) and issued some really nice magazines but I haven't seen them for years

Gerard

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Jan 25, 2014, 5:36:14 AM1/25/14

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Wasn't his post dated back in 2000?

Edward A. Cowan

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Jan 25, 2014, 6:07:14 AM1/25/14

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The entire concert (with Strauss’ Sinfonia domestica the only other work on the program) is, as a concert, rather negligible. The DG set (471 289-2, four CDs) contains the concerto, which is well-done. The Strauss item is in the related box 471-294-2. I enjoy this recording (the LvB concerto), because one can hear the acoustical properties of the now-gone “old“ Philharmonie, a very live hall which must have been a very fine venue for hearing music. (I’m leaving out the fact that this was Nazi Germany...) Wondering why this building was destroyed in early 1944, I took at an old map of Berlin (Karl Baedeker, _Berlin and its Environs_, Leipzig: Baedeker, 1912) and saw why: This structure was not far from what had been the main freight railroad station in Berlin, an obvious military target. --E.A.C.

On Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:52:30 AM UTC-6, HenryFogel wrote:

> The Röhn performance is typical of wartime Furtwangler -- it has a more

Mike

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Jan 25, 2014, 6:57:03 AM1/25/14

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It's also included in the Membran 107-CD "Wilhelm Furtwangler-The Legacy" set. I haven't listened to that CD as the DG issue mentioned above(471-289-2)long ago became my default disc for this recording.

Frankly My Dear

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Jan 25, 2014, 7:07:17 PM1/25/14

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I bought an Archipel issue that pairs it with the Kulenkampf Sibelius on the basis of a Henry Fogel Fanfare review where he said it was as good or better sounding than any issue he knew at the time.
Both are VERY worthwhile, and I have been satisfied with this issue for a good while now.
I remember the DG as pretty good.
Yes, the Rohn has a lot to offer if you already know WF's Menuhin performances. Hear it however you can.
Frankly

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on spotify you can find the beethovenconcert digital remastered and there is at amazon a cd release offered.