Buying dilemma, which set to buy: Tintner or Skrowaczewski?
Neil Taylor
on the cheap: $40 per set. My recent budget-busting binge and rare
spark of self-control only allows the purchase of one of the two. Is
it a coin-toss? (frustrating though it may be). I haven't heard any of
the performances from either set.
My tastes in Bruckner symphony recordings range from Jochum, Walter,
Szell, Celibidache (a very acquired taste), Furtwangler, Wand...do not
like Solti, Inbal, Muti...mixed on Karajan (do like his 8th).
Hope the seasoned experts weigh in quickly and with some
definitiveness, as they are holding both of the sets for me until
tomorrow (Saturday).
Neil
Thomas Muething
> My tastes in Bruckner symphony recordings range from Jochum, Walter,
> Szell, Celibidache (a very acquired taste), Furtwangler, Wand...do not
> like Solti, Inbal, Muti...mixed on Karajan (do like his 8th).
Don't you think you got enough recordings already?
If not: Skrowaczewski. Better played, better recorded.
Thomas
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David Hurwitz
>
>Neil Taylor wrote:
>
>> My tastes in Bruckner symphony recordings range from Jochum, Walter,
>> Szell, Celibidache (a very acquired taste), Furtwangler, Wand...do not
>> like Solti, Inbal, Muti...mixed on Karajan (do like his 8th).
>
>
>Don't you think you got enough recordings already?
>
>If not: Skrowaczewski. Better played, better recorded.
>
>Thomas
>
And the better Edition in the 8th...
Dave Hurwitz
John F. Berky
find, so get it while its available. The Naxos set is, and will be, readily
available.
However, you should consider the Tintner set at a later date, since it
contains some interesting versions of B1, B3, and B4.
--
John F. Berky
Editor, Bruckner Symphony Discography
http://home.comcast.net/~jberky/BSVD.htm
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Simon Roberts
"Thomas Muething" <tmuethingBUGGE...@t-online.de> wrote in
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> Neil Taylor wrote:
>
> > My tastes in Bruckner symphony recordings range from Jochum, Walter,
> > Szell, Celibidache (a very acquired taste), Furtwangler, Wand...do
not
> > like Solti, Inbal, Muti...mixed on Karajan (do like his 8th).
>
>
> Don't you think you got enough recordings already?
>
> If not: Skrowaczewski. Better played, better recorded.
I agree re both sentences, though if Neil is interested in the odd
versions/editions Tintner uses in some of them that may make his set
more interesting to him.
Simon
Paul Goldstein
says...
>
>A local record store has both sets of the Bruckner symphonies for sale
>on the cheap: $40 per set. My recent budget-busting binge and rare
>spark of self-control only allows the purchase of one of the two. Is
>it a coin-toss? (frustrating though it may be). I haven't heard any of
>the performances from either set.
The Tintner set has much to offer, but as a cycle it falls well short of the
Skrowaczewski, which IMO maintains a remarkable standard of greatness. Its 7
and 8, for example, stand among the finest recordings these pieces have ever
received.
Paul Goldstein
Riccardo
"Neil Taylor" <neilt...@netlane.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> A local record store has both sets of the Bruckner symphonies for sale
> on the cheap: $40 per set. My recent budget-busting binge and rare
> spark of self-control only allows the purchase of one of the two.
Skrowaczewski, I've never been so fund of the Tintner set (who also has some
recording troubles, IMO).
Greetings,
Riccardo.
Neil Taylor
Thank you all for the excellent feedback. Unfortunately, the Peter
Principle went into effect :-( When I returned to the record shop,
they told me the Scrowaczewski set was "mispriced" and should have
been $75 because it was an import and out of print!! Talk about
scoundrels, I'll have less pity for the mom & pop stores from now on.
I can't imagine a Tower pulling this stunt. They offered me the
Tintner for $30 as a "consolation" so I bought it, the nice Naxos
White Box packaging and price was too hard to pass up, despite my
being very po'd. Talk about frustration!
Raymond Hall
I wouldn't be that disappointed. The Tintner is my clear preference fwiw,
and find Tintner far more authoritative and interesting. As a Bruckner
lover, one is automatically, by law, allowed to have duplications. Go for
the Skro when available el cheapo.
Regards,
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See You Tamara (Ozzy Osbourne)
Ray, Taree, NSW
sorach
conductor dies soon after the cycle is launched" appeal to the Tinter.
Seeing that you have the thoughbreds already. Well at least that's what
charmed me.
Thomas Muething
>
> Thank you all for the excellent feedback. Unfortunately, the Peter
> Principle went into effect :-( When I returned to the record shop,
> they told me the Scrowaczewski set was "mispriced" and should have
> been $75 because it was an import and out of print!!
Yes and no. The Arte Nova set is out of print, but the recordings have
been picked up by Oehms Classics.
Ramon Khalona
Things worked out in the end. The more you get to know Bruckner, the
more you will appreciate the Tintner set. He offers the only
recording available of the early version of the 1st symphony and only
the second recording of the early version of the 2nd symphony, both of
which are must-haves.
There is, IMHO, no better recording of the early version of the 3rd
symphony, although the new Wildner recording is a strong contender.
The only weak link is the New Zealand 6th.
Skrowaczewski's cycle, fine though it is, is less distinctive by
comparison, although it would perhaps be a better starter set for
someone who is not familiar with the music.
Ramon Khalona
Alan Watkins
I cannot comment about "underdog" orchestras, having spent most of my
life playing for them, but there was nothing "mystic" about Mr
Tintner's death.
He had been diagnosed with incurable pancreatic cancer and rather than
continue to put up with the pain that was driving him mad he chose to
throw himself from a very high building.
As to the buying dilemma, I cannot help.
Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins
Donald C. Patterson
neilt...@netlane.com wrote on 8/29/03 6:59 PM:
What do you expect? They probably read this newsgroup!
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Don Patterson
DCP Music Press
Professional Music Copy
and Arrangements
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sorach
> I cannot comment about "underdog" orchestras, having spent most of my
> life playing for them, but there was nothing "mystic" about Mr
> Tintner's death.
I wasn't refering his death as "Mystic" but his conducting and
interpretation. Sorry for the misundertanding.
Bob Harper
Eltjo Meijer wrote:
> rkha...@hotmail.com (Ramon Khalona) op 30 Aug 2003 03:10:27 -0700:
>
>
>>The only weak link is the New Zealand 6th.
>
>
> Which raises the question of a recommendation of a (good separately
> available) recording of Bruckner's sixth symphony, preferably not full
> price.
>
> Eltjo Meijer
> 1m1ij1raw@n@doo.nl
>
> (a=@=a, 1=e)
>
Klemperer is available with two different couplings from MDT (mid-price).
Bob Harper
Paul Goldstein
True, but I think Skrowaczewski is much better. Is the Keilberth available
anywhere? That would be my first choice for a B-6.
Paul Goldstein
Bob Harper
Paul Goldstein wrote:
S. is also listed by MDT (on Oehms) at the same price as the Klemperer.
I haven't compared them lately, but as I generally find S. excellent in
Bruckner, I've no doubt it would make a good choice as well. I have
Keilberth (also excellent) as a CD-R; no idea if it's currently
commercially available.
Bob Harper
Marc Perman
>
> True, but I think Skrowaczewski is much better. Is the
Keilberth available
> anywhere? That would be my first choice for a B-6.
It's on a Japanese Teldec that's usually at Tower in NY for
$10.99. Academy has recently had a copy or two as well.
Marc Perman