Dershavina Haydn set

[Frank Lekens]

There was some talk of the Dershavina Haydn set here recently. It's just
come into my hands, I've put on a cd starting with Hob. 20.

That sounds very promising! Very interesting playing, and definitely her
own take -- things I haven't heard played exactly that way before.

I don't read sheet music & I don't have other performances
photographically in my head the way some do. But this is one of the more
often recorded sonatas, I think. And I heard it a week ago in what was
also a great recital, I thought, by Bavouzet in Schwetzingen. A great
performance too -- and this recording by Dershavina is different again,
and also very good.

I think she's doing a recital at Schwetzingen too. They're doing all
Haydn sonatas performed by different pianists. And I think all recitals
will be broadcast on SWR, so have your computers (or radios) at the ready.
--
Frank Lekens

http://fmlekens.home.xs4all.nl/

[johnlew...@gmail.com]

Her recording of the Goldberg Variations is one of the very best....

[John Thomas]

On May 11, 10:38 am, Frank Lekens

Where can the set be found?

[Frank Lekens]

On 13-5-2013 8:29, Frank Lekens wrote:
>
> It's on Amazon and other cd shops, also classics online
> (http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=1813882), and
> yesterday I saw that it's also on Spotify (at least in Europe).
> But her name is spelled as Derzhavina now, so searching for Dershavina
> often won't find it.
>
> I forgot, I'm still used to the Dershavina spelling that was used for
> her Goldberg variations disc.

Weirdly expensive at classics online, I now see.
The more regular price is to be found on European Amazon outlets and
prestoclassical, for example:
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Profil%2BMedien/PH12037

[Frank Lekens]

It's on Amazon and other cd shops, also classics online
(http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=1813882), and
yesterday I saw that it's also on Spotify (at least in Europe).
But her name is spelled as Derzhavina now, so searching for Dershavina
often won't find it.

I forgot, I'm still used to the Dershavina spelling that was used for
her Goldberg variations disc.

[wkasimer]

MDT is the cheapest source, but you have to spell it Derzhavina...

Bill

[John Thomas]

On May 13, 3:16 am, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> MDT is the cheapest source, but you have to spell it Derzhavina...
>
> Bill

MDT claimed never to have heard of her even when I tried a search with
just 'Ekatarina.' Thanks, Bill.

[Frank Lekens]

It's EkatErina. :-)

But of course they might try install a search engine that's a bit better
at fuzzy search.

[Ricky Jimenez]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 18:22:47 +0200, Frank Lekens
<frankhaaldit...@xs4all.invalid> wrote:

>On 13-5-2013 15:53, John Thomas wrote:
>> On May 13, 3:16 am, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> MDT is the cheapest source, but you have to spell it Derzhavina...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> MDT claimed never to have heard of her even when I tried a search with
>> just 'Ekatarina.' Thanks, Bill.
>>
>It's EkatErina. :-)
>
>But of course they might try install a search engine that's a bit better
>at fuzzy search.

I find Hamelin, Pletnev, Ax, Timofeyevna play these pieces with more
inflection and shading than I heard in the excerpts on the
classicsonline website.

[Alan Cooper]

Ricky Jimenez <rick...@bestweb.net> wrote in
news:v562p8hooja0l17vu...@4ax.com:

Possibly, but what I hear is plenty of energy, and that's what I look
for most in these works (cf. Ranki). I find Pletnev fussy.

AC

[td]

On May 13, 12:22 pm, Frank Lekens

<frankhaalditmaarweglek...@xs4all.invalid> wrote:
> On 13-5-2013 15:53, John Thomas wrote:> On May 13, 3:16 am, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> MDT is the cheapest source, but you have to spell it Derzhavina...
>
> >> Bill
>
> > MDT claimed never to have heard of her even when I tried a search with
> > just 'Ekatarina.'  Thanks, Bill.
>
> It's EkatErina. :-)
>
> But of course they might try install a search engine that's a bit better
> at fuzzy search.

Most search engines are crap. Amazon has them all beat. Try HMV Japan
if you want to really get frustrated.

TD

[John Thomas]

On May 13, 9:22 am, Frank Lekens

Thanks, Frank. Getting a name like hers right is obviously beyond my
current capacities :P I did think at the time that MDT must have a
very inflexible search engine. Amazon.com's search engine is a bit
too fuzzy but it's still possible to pick out what you're looking for
among the false positives.

[maready]

On May 13, 6:16 am, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> MDT is the cheapest source, but you have to spell it Derzhavina...
>
> Bill

I got my copy from JPC Classics. To make spelling her name easier,
I've taken to calling her "E-Kat". I've been head over heels about
Derzhavina's playing since a friend introduced me to several broadcast
recordings. I belatedly picked up the much-discussed 'Goldbergs' and
also sought out her excellent Schubert D850 CD and Medtner
collections. JPC wasn't the cheapest option for the Haydn box, but
they were the first to have it in stock and the live Haydn I'd heard
of hers was so striking that I wanted to get that box ASAP. I'm still
making my way through it. It's an unusual item --- she recorded the
Haydn over a period of 12 years in CD-sized chunks, presumably for
radio broadcast. So as you go through the CDs, you are jumping from
the E-Kat of the late '90s to the E-Kat of 2010. The entire project
was engineered and produced by the same person throughout, so sound
quality doesn't vary; Derzhavina's playing, however, gets more
adventurous the older she gets. She's not as spontaneous here as she
is in the broadcasts that I've heard (Debussy, Messiaen, Berg and
'Diabelli' Variations, all of it so interesting and persuasive that
one hopes Hannsler/Profil has plans to release them.)

So far, I find her best in the early and middle-period Haydn;
obviously there's more competition in the later sonatas, but also (and
confusingly) much of the early/middle sonatas were recorded more
recently. As far as the 'Complete Haydn Sonata' box competition goes,
I'd say E-Kat is miles above such dull sets as McCabe, Buchbinder,
Schornsheim, Jando and Piazzini. I greatly prefer her to the glib
Hamelin series (ongoing). Of course there are many scattered
recordings of interest (from Horowitz and Backhaus to Pogorelich and
Catherine Collard by way of Artur Balsam) but if you want all the
sonatas in one place, E-Kat gets my vote. I only recently caught up
with Brautigam's set and rate it very highly indeed. But it is on a
(lovely-sounding) period pianoforte, so if you want Haydn, complete
and on a modern piano, I'd say go for Derzhavina.

[maready]

When speaking of incomplete Haydn sonata sets, I should be shot for
forgetting to mention all the scattered Richter recordings which, if
combined, would easily surpass any conceivable Haydn sonata
collection, completion be damned!

[td]

Forget that oversight.

I think the guillotine is being hauled out for that outrageous slur on
MAH's superb Haydn series for Hyperion. Incidentally, your comments
are very much out in left field, as the reviews have been uniformly
rapturous.

And I would add: Make sure you little neck is shaved.

TD

[Alan Cooper]

maready <dab...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:934eef09-60a9-4650-a307-
6e614a...@k6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

> On May 13, 6:16�am, wkasimer <wkasi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> MDT is the cheapest source, but you have to spell it Derzhavina...
>>
>> Bill
>
> I got my copy from JPC Classics.

<interesting and encouraging review snipped>

I didn't need much encouragement, so I ordered it from MDT after seeing
Bill's note. The reply, unfortunately: "MDT regret to inform you that the
following item is out of stock or not yet released at our supplier."

Patience....

AC

[Steve Emerson]

In article
<02e75408-4b4c-4b76...@o2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

Ignoring the equation -- disagreement with reviews = being out in left
field -- I tend to concur with Maready on "MAH." And I certainly don't
think that to say the playing is glib is to commit an "outrageous slur."
Lord.

--Too, I was pleased to read Maready's quick survey of other recordings
of the repertoire, suggesting what is almost certainly a greater
familiarity with the field than most authors of those reviews possess.

SE.

[td]

On May 16, 11:42 pm, Steve Emerson <eme...@n-n-nospamsonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <02e75408-4b4c-4b76-8265-410d27c8d...@o2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

Perhaps.

But the Buchbinder - I have had that for years, even on LP, Steve, -
and don't find it at all "dull", not the McCabe. There are swings and
roundabouts in all these complete sets, of course. I have no knowledge
of Schornsheim, Jando and Piazzini. He didn't even mention Walid Akl.
Perhaps he never heard that one?

I have heard MAH play many Haydn sonatas in public - as well as the
CDs - and each time they were absolutely deliciously played: witty,
technically brilliant, discreet, and full of surprise and enchantment.
These are high spots in the MAH catalogue right up there with the
Godowsky etudes and Alkan, in my opinion. To dismiss them as "glib"
is, well, just stupid.

TD

[Frank Lekens]

Since you seem to like Haydn, maybe you should give Andrew Rangell a
try. I haven't been able to play much of the Derzhavina set yet, but I
did play all of the Hob XVI:20's I could find on Spotify last week (or
at least I played part of all sonatas). And Andrew Rangell's stood out
as one of the most extremely individual interpretations. A little too
extreme to be a top favourite of mine as yet, but certainly worth
hearing as a different take on the sonata.

A friend was very taken by Beghin's version, which is also from a
complete set. I like it too, but it's played on a (to me) rather
unpreposessing fortepiano. His interpretation may be more varied and
interesting, yet I'd rather listen Staier's take on a beautifully
recorded and wonderful sounding fortepiano.
I don't dislike Brautigam, but I think he comes third after these two.
He's lively but less varied, just a bit less interesting than Staier and
Beghin -- at least that was my superficial first impression.


In order to facilitate finding different peformances, here's a playlist
of all the XVI:20's I could find on Spotify:
http://open.spotify.com/user/franklekens/playlist/4Td15RwqSDaF07jeIe4OCN
They're in no very particular order, except that a handful (about 10 or
so) that I really didn't care for are at the bottom of the list.

(Obviously, there are more pianists playing Haydn on Spotify; only no
XVI:20 by them.)

I don't find Buchbinder as dull as you say he is. From the little I've
heard so far, it does seem Derzhavina's set is better than his; but at
least he's more interesting than Jeno "playing it straight" Jando, IMHO.
I was a little disappointed by the Andras Schiff; I remembered his Haydn
set as being more interesting than what I heard last week. Maybe he
suffers from the comparison. (It's always a little weird comparing many
different versions one after another: that's not what you do in the
concert hall, unless you have a perfect auditive memory of performances
you've heard before.)

Koroliov's 20 was good too, I thought, and Kasman's.

(And of course there are some terrific 20's that aren't on Spotify:
Kocsis, Egorov, Weissenberg, and Richter probably -- I don't currently
have that.
And one pianist who hasn't been mentioned, but who seems to be recording
a complete cycle: Bavouzet, on Chandos. What I've heard of that is very
lively and interesting as well. And nothing glib about it, IMO.

[SPAM- @xs4all.nl HvT]

Steve Emerson wrote:

> td <tomde...@mac.com> wrote:

>> I think the guillotine is being hauled out for that outrageous slur
>> on MAH's superb Haydn series for Hyperion. Incidentally, your
>> comments are very much out in left field, as the reviews have been
>> uniformly rapturous.

> Ignoring the equation -- disagreement with reviews = being out in left
> field -- I tend to concur with Maready on "MAH." And I certainly don't
> think that to say the playing is glib is to commit an "outrageous
> slur." Lord.

Calling his last Haydn set glib (I'd prefer elegant for his earlier sets)
doesn't do justice to MAH at all. Whether it's an "outrageous slur", I doubt
it. However, the comparison with Brautigam could be ...

Henk

[maready]

On May 17, 10:50 am, Frank Lekens

Thanks for the many suggestions! It will be a pleasure to follow up on
them. Agreed about Koroliov and Egorov. And I haven't heard any of the
Bacouzet yet, which I hope to remedy soon.

Buchbinder's Haydn set isn't terrible. I've still got it. For years it
was my resource when I wanted to hear one of the lesser-recorded
sonatas. But it's pretty stolid, don't you think? And the piano sound
really bangy. I like a lot of other Buchbinder recordings. One of my
favorite recordings of the two Schubert Trios is by a very young R.
Buchbinder and his Wiener Trio on Telefunken. I don't know if it was
ever on CD. I've never been able to convince anyone else that there is
anything special about the performances, but in a crowded field, I
return to them again and again.

The thing about Hamelin is that it sounds great the first time 'round
because there are so many surprises and cheeky incidents (and fast
tempos) but, as they used to say about comedy records, once you've
heard it once and know the punchlines it's hard to sit through it
again. Derzhavina strikes a nice balance between a serious engagement
with Haydn's style(s) and imaginative tempo choices, embellishments et
al. Very nicely recorded piano, as well.

Brautigam's Beethoven didn't do much for me, but I've been surprised
by the staying power of his Haydn set. And his period instrument(s?)
on the Haydn recordings has a rich, mysteriously reverberant sound
that is addictive in itself.

On a different subject entirely, is Andreas Staier still in general
disfavour for using the bassoon and cymbal stops on his Graf
Pianoforte in his recent 'Diabellis'? Having gotten over the shock, it
strikes me as a top-tier Diabelli performance and the only one that
I've listened to on a period instrument. (Are there others worth
hearing? Any suggestions are more than welcome!)

[maready]

>
> Thanks for the many suggestions! It will be a pleasure to follow up on
> them. Agreed about Koroliov and Egorov. And I haven't heard any of the
> Bacouzet yet, which I hope to remedy soon.

"Bavouzet" not "Bacouzet" --- sorry!

> On a different subject entirely, is Andreas Staier still in general
> disfavour for using the bassoon and cymbal stops on his Graf
> Pianoforte in his recent 'Diabellis'? Having gotten over the shock, it
> strikes me as a top-tier Diabelli performance and the only one that
> I've listened to on a period instrument. (Are there others worth
> hearing? Any suggestions are more than welcome!)

To clarify, the final question was 'has anyone heard any noteworthy
performances of Beethoven's Diabelli Variations on a period piano
other than Staier's and, if so, are there any recommendations?' (In
other words I was NOT trying to start yet another 'who recorded the
best Diabellis?' thread! :)

[Mandryka]

On May 17, 9:04 pm, maready <dab...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> To clarify, the final question was 'has anyone heard any noteworthy
> performances of Beethoven's Diabelli Variations on a period piano
> other than Staier's and, if so, are there any recommendations?' (In
> other words I was NOT trying to start yet another 'who recorded the
> best Diabellis?' thread! :)

I think there are only five, Komen, Cooper, Demus, Staier Batterby. I
enjoyed Cooper.

[maready]

Thanks for the recommendation.

[maready]

Thought I'd steer the thread back to Derzhavina's highly enjoyable
Haydn box. She may not be to everybody's taste in this repertoire ---
while listening to her sly take on the A Major sonata XVI:26 I found
myself reminded of the old comparison of the jazz saxophonist Paul
Desmond's tone to that of a 'dry martini':

http://tinyurl.com/ajjt7oj

Also highly recommended is a 2003 recital in Montrèal. The program
includes a Platti sonata, Schubert's D850 and some Medtner and was
released by the well-distributed Palexa label:

http://www.amazon.com/Ekaterina-Derzhavina-Plays-Piano/dp/B000N0LDQM/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1368828122&sr=1-2&keywords=derzhavina

Platti, who? That's what I thought, but now I want to hear more!
(Derzhavina speaks of Platti as an influence on the early Haydn in the
ntelligent notes in her Haydn box.)

[Mandryka]

On May 17, 11:13 pm, maready <dab...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thought I'd steer the thread back to Derzhavina's highly enjoyable
> Haydn box. She may not be to everybody's taste in this repertoire ---
> while listening to her sly take on the A Major sonata XVI:26 I found
> myself reminded of the old comparison of the jazz saxophonist Paul
> Desmond's tone to that of a 'dry martini':
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ajjt7oj
>
> Also highly recommended is a 2003 recital in Montrèal. The program
> includes a Platti sonata, Schubert's D850 and some Medtner and was
> released by the well-distributed Palexa label:
>

> http://www.amazon.com/Ekaterina-Derzhavina-Plays-Piano/dp/B000N0LDQM/...

>
> Platti, who? That's what I thought, but now I want to hear more!
> (Derzhavina speaks of Platti as an influence on the early Haydn in the
> ntelligent notes in her Haydn box.)

I know a record of Platti trio sonatas by Epoca Barocca, but they
don't sound much like Haydn keyboard trios to me. I've heard some of
the keyboard sonatas, but the ones I heard reminded me of Alessandro
Scarlatti's toccatas more than anything I know by Haydn. But maybe
I've not thought about it enough, or maybe they weren't from the right
period.

By the way, composer with the strongest affinity to Haydn that I've
heard is CPE Bach, in the "Kenner und Liebhaber" sonatas. And if it's
early Haydn keyboard music that you're interested in, then one CD well
worth looking out is by Yuko Wataya. I thinj it is outstanding.

I took a live Derzhavina recording from symphonyshare with a couple
of Haydn sonatas, which I enjoyed because her touch, her sound,
reminded me of a clavichord - intimate, quiet, colourful. However my
very limited dabbling in the big Haydn box hasn't so far come up with
anything quite as interesting. But it's early days and I haven't been
listening to many Haydn sonatas on piano since it was released.

For what it's worth my latest Haydn sonata discovery has been the
wonderful CD by Lars Ulrich Mortensen.

[td]

Am I the only one who sought out the three Platti CDs on the now defunct Dante label?

TD

[maready]

Yes, that live performance you mention was the first I heard of
Derzhavina and those two Haydn sonatas were what got me interested. So
I got the Goldbergs that everyone has been praising, liked that
immensely and decided to get her Haydn box on that basis. I think that
the box is not always at the highly inspired level of those two live
sonatas, but it often is and is never less than compelling. As I
mentioned earlier, it turns out that the Derzhavina Haydn recordings
were made over a long (twelve year period) in CD-sized chunks, with
the same engineer and studio, and as such documents her growth as a
player and her changing ideas about Haydn. So it might be misleading
to go by random samples ....

In case you're interested, I posted a complete sonata from the
Hanssler box that I think shows her at her considerable best (YMMV!)
Here's the link again for anyone who is interested:

http://tinyurl.com/ajjt7oj

Totally agree with you about CPE Bach's sonatas. Wonderful music.

[maready]

On May 18, 8:16 am, td <tomdedea...@mac.com> wrote:
> Am I the only one who sought out the three Platti CDs on the now defunct Dante label?
>
> TD

Sounds interesting. Who's the pianist? I'd never heard of Platti until
the Derzhavina recording, but I'd like to hear more based on that one
sonata.

[maready]

On May 17, 10:50 am, Frank Lekens

Thanks for the recommendation of Andrew Rangell. Yes, I guess you
could call him extreme, but it's pretty exciting stuff nonetheless.
Thanks again (I'm still looking into some of the other
recommendations, Bavouzet is next.)

[maready]

On May 17, 10:50 am, Frank Lekens
<frankhaalditmaarweglek...@xs4all.invalid> wrote:

On the subject of Rangell, how is his Beethoven, specifically this 3CD
set with the late sonatas, the Diabellis and Op 126 Bagatelles?
Anybody like these?

[hvid...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 1:38:47 PM UTC-4, Frank Lekens wrote:
> There was some talk of the Dershavina Haydn set here recently. It's just
>
> come into my hands, I've put on a cd starting with Hob. 20.
>
>
>
> That sounds very promising! Very interesting playing, and definitely her
>
> own take -- things I haven't heard played exactly that way before.
>
>
>
> I don't read sheet music & I don't have other performances
>
> photographically in my head the way some do. But this is one of the more
>
> often recorded sonatas, I think. And I heard it a week ago in what was
>
> also a great recital, I thought, by Bavouzet in Schwetzingen. A great
>
> performance too -- and this recording by Dershavina is different again,
>
> and also very good.
>
>
>
> I think she's doing a recital at Schwetzingen too. They're doing all
>
> Haydn sonatas performed by different pianists. And I think all recitals
>
> will be broadcast on SWR, so have your computers (or radios) at the ready.

>
> --
>
> Frank Lekens
>
>
>
> http://fmlekens.home.xs4all.nl/

Amazon is showing the complete Derzhavina Haydn for only $9.49 in mp3, 9 discs. This may be an error. I notice some slow loading in the cloud but as of now it appears to be all there.
http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-The-Piano-Sonatas/dp/B00CANE2FE/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369347209&sr=301-1

Howard

[maready]

I have to thank you once again for mentioning Andrew Rangell. His Haydn CD is pretty wonderful, but his Beethoven is out of this world. I don't know how I've missed out on him before, but many many thanks for the recommendation. I'll have to wait for a bit and allow my bank account to recover before investigating his Bach! I realize that his Beethoven is pretty "out-there", but in a good way :) Like his teacher Beveridge Webster and Russell Sherman and Anton Kuerti in Beethoven. The late LVB sonatas are marvelous: spontaneous and spacious, as if played by somebody who had never listened to another recording of the pieces. And the Diabellis are simply (with a nod to onetime RMCR muckraker Dan Koren) 'diabellical'. The most rambunctious and joyful recording I've heard of Op 120 in some time. (Perhaps 1/3 Yudina, 1/3 Leonard Shure and 1/3 Thelonious Monk.)

[maready]

> Amazon is showing the complete Derzhavina Haydn for only $9.49 in mp3, 9 discs. This may be an error. I notice some slow loading in the cloud but as of now it appears to be all there.http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-The-Piano-Sonatas/dp/B00CANE2FE/ref=sr_sh...
>
> Howard

Wow! That's a bargain! It still says $9.49, too. Obviously a mistake.
I almost feel bad for Derzhavina, and for Hannsler/Profil --- a label
that has done a lot of great stuff with both new and archival
recordings. But at that price, I'd advise anyone who may be sitting on
the fence to jump off and get those MP3s, if you don't mind the
digital format. It's a great set. I've had it for almost a month now
and it continues to absorb me. Even for those who aren't crazy about
Haydn's sonatas, which, after all are not in the same league (or not
as consistently 'great') as Beethoven's and Schubert's (although I
prefer them to Mozart's) --- it's a great way to make the acquaintance
of a subtle and thoughtful pianist.

[Ricky Jimenez]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 15:52:17 -0700 (PDT), maready <dab...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Wow! That's a bargain! It still says $9.49, too. Obviously a mistake.
>I almost feel bad for Derzhavina, and for Hannsler/Profil --- a label
>that has done a lot of great stuff with both new and archival
>recordings. But at that price, I'd advise anyone who may be sitting on
>the fence to jump off and get those MP3s, if you don't mind the
>digital format. It's a great set. I've had it for almost a month now
>and it continues to absorb me. Even for those who aren't crazy about
>Haydn's sonatas, which, after all are not in the same league (or not
>as consistently 'great') as Beethoven's and Schubert's (although I
>prefer them to Mozart's) --- it's a great way to make the acquaintance
>of a subtle and thoughtful pianist.

I invested the $9.49 and listened while working at my computer. The
sound was at least as good as I have heard on other Haydn modern piano
recordings. But not quite as sumptious as on Tom Beghin's bluray set
performed on period instruments. There are a few technical glitches
with the download. After each track, it returns to its beginning for
a second before starting the next track. On the last track, an insipid
minuetto in F#, it gets stuck in a loop. None of the great non
sonatas, like the andante with variations in f, are in the set, to my
annoyance. Yes, its worth $9.49 but there are so many other great
Haydn discs in competition.

[Frank Lekens]

On 26-5-2013 0:17, maready wrote:
> I have to thank you once again for mentioning Andrew Rangell. His Haydn CD is pretty wonderful, but his Beethoven is out of this world. I don't know how I've missed out on him before, but many many thanks for the recommendation. I'll have to wait for a bit and allow my bank account to recover before investigating his Bach! I realize that his Beethoven is pretty "out-there", but in a good way:) Like his teacher Beveridge Webster and Russell Sherman and Anton Kuerti in Beethoven. The late LVB sonatas are marvelous: spontaneous and spacious, as if played by somebody who had never listened to another recording of the pieces. And the Diabellis are simply (with a nod to onetime RMCR muckraker Dan Koren) 'diabellical'. The most rambunctious and joyful recording I've heard of Op 120 in some time. (Perhaps 1/3 Yudina, 1/3 Leonard Shure and 1/3 Thelonious Monk.)

Thank you in return for the heads up. I certainly didn't mean it in a
negative way when I sead Rangell's Haydn was 'extreme', I just meant it
stood out. I've heard some of that Bach on spotify or elsewhere, I seem
to remember it was as interesting. And I'd had this Beethoven
recommended by a friend. Actually, I bought the cd set but it's in a bag
I stupidly left in a German train. Hope to recuperate it sometime over
the next few weeks. I have something to look forward to then (assuming
the cd's are still in the bag).

[hiker_rs]

On May 23, 5:33 pm, hvida...@gmail.com wrote:

> Amazon is showing the complete Derzhavina Haydn for only $9.49 in mp3, 9 discs. This may be an error. I notice some slow loading in the cloud but as of now it appears to be all there.http://www.amazon.com/Haydn-The-Piano-Sonatas/dp/B00CANE2FE/ref=sr_sh...


Thanks for the heads-up on the download.

A few questions / comments on the set, whose mp3s I downloaded.
Perhaps the booklet sheds more light on these issues (the download
didn't include it).

Only the 2nd and 3rd movements of the Keyboard Sonata No. 5 in G
major, Hob. XVI:11 are included and those as separate entries - the
2nd movement is listed as the Andante in G minor and the 3rd as Minuet
in G major and Trio in E minor. The 1st movement (I - Presto) is
missing. Schornsheim's set contains all 3 movements. Does the booklet
shed any light on this? Considering that the sonata is listed in some
places as dubiously Haydn's perhaps the true author of the 1st
movement has been substantiated?

Also, I found that two works appear to be incorrectly labelled:

- The Keyboard Sonata No. 39 in D major, Hob. XVI:24 is labelled
Keyboard Sonata No. 22
- The Keyboard Sonata No. 40 in E-flat major, Hob. XVI:25 is labelled
Keyboard Sonata No. 23

For reference, the sonata numbers are from Christa Landon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solo_piano_compositions_by_Joseph_Haydn

Rich

[hvid...@gmail.com]

>Thanks for the heads-up on the download.

>A few questions / comments on the set, whose mp3s I downloaded.
>Perhaps the booklet sheds more light on these issues (the download
>didn't include it).

>Only the 2nd and 3rd movements of the Keyboard Sonata No. 5 in G
>major, Hob. XVI:11 are included and those as separate entries - the
>2nd movement is listed as the Andante in G minor and the 3rd as Minuet
>in G major and Trio in E minor. The 1st movement (I - Presto) is
>missing. Schornsheim's set contains all 3 movements. Does the booklet
>shed any light on this? Considering that the sonata is listed in some
>places as dubiously Haydn's perhaps the true author of the 1st
>movement has been substantiated?

>Also, I found that two works appear to be incorrectly labelled:

>- The Keyboard Sonata No. 39 in D major, Hob. XVI:24 is labelled
>Keyboard Sonata No. 22
>- The Keyboard Sonata No. 40 in E-flat major, Hob. XVI:25 is labelled
>Keyboard Sonata No. 23

>For reference, the sonata numbers are from Christa Landon:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solo_piano_compositions_by_Joseph_Haydn

>Rich

Glad you enjoy the set. I do as well. I find the playing engaging and expressive; as others have said, she's not afraid to make use of the dynamic possibilities of the modern piano. My only other complete set is Jando which I also appreciate. (His WTC is really wonderful but he's not taken seriously in many circles).
Thanks as well for your careful listening and comments.

Howard

[Frank Lekens]

On 27-5-2013 20:24, hiker_rs wrote:

> A few questions / comments on the set, whose mp3s I downloaded.
> Perhaps the booklet sheds more light on these issues (the download
> didn't include it).
>
> Only the 2nd and 3rd movements of the Keyboard Sonata No. 5 in G
> major, Hob. XVI:11 are included and those as separate entries - the
> 2nd movement is listed as the Andante in G minor and the 3rd as Minuet
> in G major and Trio in E minor. The 1st movement (I - Presto) is
> missing. Schornsheim's set contains all 3 movements. Does the booklet
> shed any light on this?

Yes.


She writes they included some movements 'that seem to have belonged to
sonatas that were not completed or have been lost. In some cases such
movements were combined with others to form complete sonatas; the G
Major Sonata Hob XVI:11, for example derives from an Andante in G minor,
a minuet in G Major and the final movement of the sonata in G major Hob
XVI:G1 (where it is the first movement).' And that XVI:G1 is on CD 2.

> Also, I found that two works appear to be incorrectly labelled:
>
> - The Keyboard Sonata No. 39 in D major, Hob. XVI:24 is labelled
> Keyboard Sonata No. 22
> - The Keyboard Sonata No. 40 in E-flat major, Hob. XVI:25 is labelled
> Keyboard Sonata No. 23
>
> For reference, the sonata numbers are from Christa Landon:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solo_piano_compositions_by_Joseph_Haydn

In the booklet and on the cd sleeves the Langdon numbering isn't
referred to at all, only the Hob numbers are stated.

[hiker_rs]

On May 28, 4:00 pm, Frank Lekens

<frankhaalditmaarweglek...@xs4all.invalid> wrote:
> On 27-5-2013 20:24, hiker_rs wrote:
>
> > A few questions / comments on the set, whose mp3s I downloaded.
> > Perhaps the booklet sheds more light on these issues (the download
> > didn't include it).
>
> > Only the 2nd and 3rd movements of the Keyboard Sonata No. 5 in G
> > major, Hob. XVI:11 are included and those as separate entries - the
> > 2nd movement is listed as the Andante in G minor and the 3rd as Minuet
> > in G major and Trio in E minor. The 1st movement (I - Presto) is
> > missing. Schornsheim's set contains all 3 movements. Does the booklet
> > shed any light on this?
>
> Yes.
>
> She writes they included some movements 'that seem to have belonged to
> sonatas that were not completed or have been lost. In some cases such
> movements were combined with others to form complete sonatas; the G
> Major Sonata Hob XVI:11, for example derives from an Andante in G minor,
> a minuet in G Major and the final movement of the sonata in G major Hob
> XVI:G1 (where it is the first movement).' And that XVI:G1 is on CD 2.
>
> > Also, I found that two works appear to be incorrectly labelled:
>
> > - The Keyboard Sonata No. 39 in D major, Hob. XVI:24 is labelled
> > Keyboard Sonata No. 22
> > - The Keyboard Sonata No. 40 in E-flat major, Hob. XVI:25 is labelled
> > Keyboard Sonata No. 23
>
> > For reference, the sonata numbers are from Christa Landon:
>

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solo_piano_compositions_by_Josep...

>
> In the booklet and on the cd sleeves the Langdon numbering isn't
> referred to at all, only the Hob numbers are stated.
>
> --
> Frank Lekens
>
>                http://fmlekens.home.xs4all.nl/

Frank,

thanks for clearing that up.

Rich

[richard...@gmail.com]

For those interested the complete set on CD is now on sale from Prestoclassical.co.uk for $39.18

[Joe]

I haven't seen Maria Tipo mentioned in this thread--her Haydn seems just right to me, neither too stolid nor too flashy. Only two discs I'm aware of, one from years ago on Vox, another (my favorite) on EMI.

I had the pleasure of hearing Derzhavina give a recital in New Haven a few months ago--I thought she was terrific, in a very wide-ranging program.

Joe Markley
Plantsville, Connecticut

[wkasimer]

On Jun 3, 4:50 pm, Joe <j...@joemarkley.com> wrote:

> I had the pleasure of hearing Derzhavina give a recital in New Haven a few months ago--I thought she was terrific, in a very wide-ranging program.

She played in New Haven, but didn't come north to Boston? Damn....

Did she play in Sprague Hall? Great venue.

Bill

[Alan Cooper]

Joe <j...@joemarkley.com> wrote in
news:021c76fb-d8d6-471f...@googlegroups.com:

> I haven't seen Maria Tipo mentioned in this thread--her Haydn seems
> just right to me, neither too stolid nor too flashy. Only two discs
> I'm aware of, one from years ago on Vox, another (my favorite) on EMI.

Maria Tipo Haydn for Vox and EMI? You wouldn't be thinking of Scarlatti,
would you? (In which case you should add the two LPs that she recorded for
Dischi Ricordi in between the Vox and EMI issues.)

I've listened to the first four CDs of Dershavina's set so far with much
enjoyment.

AC