I find Mozart's late PCs to be the most touching works for piano and
orchestra. Is this a minority opinion? Anyway, what I am interested
in is what is your favourite Mozart PC and its recordings. Mine is
#24 by Casadesus/Szell and Moravec/Marriner.
- Joydeep -
#9 Gulda/Boehm Orfeo
#13 Barenboim Teldec
#18 Schiff/Vegh Decca
#21 Anda DG
#23 Gulda/Harnoncourt Teldec
are my favourites.
The last twelve months I only listen
to Bach and Mozart PC's - in non-HIP
performances.
I cannot really choose between the
Mozart PC's - but certainly do like
#24, and probably #20 slightly more.
As to their interpreters - in
general I do like Anda, Casadesus
and Kempff.
Henk
Easier to list my least favorite Mozart piano concertos. For some reason, I've
never liked the D minor, particularly, although I nevertheless find it
extremely interesting to listen to. I like the Coronation less and also find
it much less interesting. The Jeunehomme and K. 503 are great favorites, but,
then, so are any number of others once you get into the upper 400's. I
certainly love K. 467 and K. 488.
-david gable
> I am interested in your favourite Mozart PC and its recordings.
No single PC favorite. Some favorite recordings...
9 Schiff
19 & 23 Perahia
20 & 24 Brendel
21 & 26 Casadesus
27 Gilels
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>...what I am interested in is what is your favourite Mozart PC
>and its recordings.
Currently a tie between 17 and 22. I currently have Peter Serkin
and Malcolm Frager in 17 and Casadesus/Szell and De Larrocha/
C. Davis in 22. That none of these is completely satisfactory
is more because they are works that are "better than can be
played" than any actual shortcomings.
I'm looking forward to 22 with Arnaldo Cohen and Sawallisch
in April.
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If forced to pick only two ;-0, I guess I'd take Nos. 17 and 27. Recordings?
Casadesus/Szell for 17, and Curzon/Britten for 27. In the latter, it's all for
Britten; I just screen out Curzon's plink-plonking when I listen to it, focusing
as much as possible on the heartbreaking playing of the ECO.
Paul Goldstein
I happen to agree with your choice of no. 24. My favorite recording,
if it matters, is Maag/Klien (and I'm not a particular fan of either
performer, just this recording).
J
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#23 - Kovacevich/Davis
#25 - Moravec/Vlach
#19 - Schnabel/Barbirolli
#27 - Serkin/Toscanini/P-SO
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K. 466 Argerich/Rabinovich
K. 467 Gulda/Abbado (by far)
K. 488 Casadesus/Szell; Moravec/Marriner; Rubinstein/Wallenstein, etc.
K. 491 Not the best, but the most intruiging IMO: Anderszewski
Benjo Maso
17 Bashkirov
20 Michelangeli, Richter, Rubinstein
23 Horowitz, Rubinstein
24 Bashkirov, Richter, Schnabel
27 Gilels
Marco Lau
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One favorite? You've got to be kidding.... Here are some favorites, depending
on my mood, with some favorite recordings (since this is off the top of my head,
I'm probably forgetting some).
6/8/9 Zitterbart/Fey (mainly for the conducting)
9 Pletnev/Virgin
11 Kocsis
12 Kocsis
13 Bilson?
14 certainly a favorite piece, but a favorite performance isn't coming to mind
17 Kocsis, Edwin Fischer, Staier
18 Kocsis
19 Kocsis, Peter Serkin, Staier
20 Argerich, Edwin Fischer, Yudina, Lubin
21 Kovacevich, Anderszewski
22 Edwin Fischer
23 Gulda, Kovacevich, Kocsis, Bunin
24 Anderszewski, Edwin Fischer, Annie Fischer, Bunin
25 Kovacevich, Argerich (if only the orchestral contribution were better), Edwin
Fischer, Kocsis
27 Kocsis, Horszowski/Toscanini. I'm still waiting to find a performance with
as alert an orchestra as the Philharmonia (without a conductor) was for Gilels
and whoever it was with Haitink (of all people) for Curzon at a Prom concert,
both late 1970s.
If I had to narrow them down further, I can't imagine foregoing 17, 19, 20, 23,
24, 25.
Simon
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>K. 488 Casadesus/Szell; Moravec/Marriner; Rubinstein/Wallenstein, etc.
This (No. 23) and No. 24 are the ones I listen to most often, and depending on
my mood, one or the other is my favorite. I'll refrain from naming favorite
recordings, because where Mozart concerti are concerned, I usually find the
music incomparable but the performance only satisfactory if I'm lucky; but I'd
replace Rubinstein/Wallenstein with Rubinstein/Golschmann (from the forties)
for No. 23. I usually don't think of Mozart as one of Rubinstein's relative
strengths, but this is one of his great recordings.
--Todd K
Ahem...it's quite simple ! ...
*ALL* records by Szell (or Ormandy or Schneider) and Casadesus or
Serkin edited by Sony...
*ALL*...
My records for desert...
M.
Pick just one!? Well, if had to, I guess it would be #20:
Bilson/Gardiner [I love their entire set of Mozart PCs] or, if you
refuse to listen to period instruments, then Argerich/Rabinovitch.
-- Bill McC.
Yes (assuming you're referring to 27).
>
>Does anyone have an opinion on:
>Brendel/Marriner (14 - 27),
Why not the earlier ones too? Anyway, this is from one of the better sets. Not
consistently good (too bad he didn't redo 17, 19 and 25 with Marriner), but
certainly worth listening to if you like his distinctively articulated playing
(especially if you can get past that curiously jabbed out low note in the
opening of 23/ii). Marriner's contribution is good too, in its clean, crisp
elegant way (don't look for high drama, but then one wouldn't...).
>Firkusny/Bour (18, 25),
This struck me as rather blank the last time I heard it, but it's been a while.
>Heidsieck/Vandernoot (20, 25),
Ditto. To these ears the best bargain 25 is Kovacevich/Philips (it may be my
favorite, period).
>Shelley (21, 24),
Bland
>Engel/Hager (7, 10, 11),
Bland, dully conducted.
>Eschenbach (9, 27),
Can't remember
>Klien/Maag (23, 24)?
Could have been better recorded, and a better orchestra might have been nicer,
but I would happily recommend this.
Simon
Well, I recently bought a Japanese disc with Heidsieck playing 24 and I forget
what else which I've not heard yet....
Simon
One that I like is by a pupil of Brendel, Till Fellner, on
a Claves disc, a live recording of 22 from some competition,
when Fellner was about twenty. It has that "distinctive"
articulation, but also not a little drama and what might
be called "youthful enthusiasm". Alas, the orchestra
is not too good. Fellner seems to have dropped out
of sight, though he recorded some Beethoven concertos
with Marriner not too long ago.
>
> Ditto. To these ears the best bargain 25 is Kovacevich/Philips (it
may be my
> favorite, period).
Maybe my favorite of the concertos. Also reputed to
be good are some Peter Serkin recordings of the late
teens on RCA that I regularly see in cut-out bins. I think
I have one or two of them somewhere around here.
Surely the best buy is Brendel, supplemented with the Kovacevich.
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> >Firkusny/Bour (18, 25),
>
> This struck me as rather blank the last time I heard it, but it's been a while.
I think I had/have one disc with these two musicians (but different
concerti, incl. #24), the sound was so bad (in a strange way, oddly
distant or bodiless) that it was hard to say anything about the
performance...
> >Heidsieck/Vandernoot (20, 25),
>
> Ditto. To these ears the best bargain 25 is Kovacevich/Philips (it may be my
> favorite, period).
But hard to get (Some Philips midprice or budget series, I got in on
Ebay some time ago; did they do more than 21/24?). There is also a
Kocsis with Rolla on Hungaraton (shockingly fast in the last movement,
but the orchestral participation and overall sound are not too good).
Anyway, I don't get the fuss over K 503, I like it (and like it much
more than I did ten years ago), but it still leaves me somewhat cold.
Johannes
I agree. How about the two Barenboim sets? Do either of them offer high drama?
(Recognizing that there will be some inconsistencies in quality amongst concerti).
Regards,
Henry
[snip]
Baaad and Booooring....
dk
>I agree. How about the two Barenboim sets? Do either of them offer high drama?
>(Recognizing that there will be some inconsistencies in quality amongst
>concerti).
Barenboim/EMI sometimes comes close, 9, 17, 20, 24 and 25 are probably the best
of that set (his earlier 25 with Klemperer is good too - and not the stately
procession one might expect from that conductor at that time).
Simon
Kovacevich/Davis recorded 20, 21, 23, 25 only, unfortunately. 20 disappoints
because of Davis's surprisingly slack conducting.
There is also a
>Kocsis with Rolla on Hungaraton (shockingly fast in the last movement,
>but the orchestral participation and overall sound are not too good).
Right - the improvement when he presided from the keyboard over a better
orchestra, on a better label (Philips), was dramatic. Too bad that combination
resulted in one disc only (11/17/19).
Simon
K 488 - Perahia/Perahia
K 466 - Uchida/Tate
There's a bunch tied for 3rd...
I heard Anderszewski perform K 491 at Ravinia this summer and was
absolutely spellbound. It was also the only time I've ever really
enjoyed an overtly romantic cadenza in a Mozart concerto. I haven't
bought the new CD yet - I'm almost afraid it could tarnish my memory
of that performance in June.
A.J.
Surprising?
Slack is Sir Colon's middle name.
dk
Not inevitably earlier in his career and not inevitably in Mozart. On the
other hand, of the four Kovacevich/Davis Mozart concerto recordings, I have an
unalloyed enthusiasm only for the K. 503. I very much like the first movement
of their K. 467, but neither K nor D milks the great operatic aria of a second
movement for all it's worth.
-david gable
I'm one of the few around here in total agreement with you on this. Not all of
this emerged on Sony in the States, but see French Sony and From the Vault for
what didn't.
-david gable
I wasn't impressed with his self-conducted BPO remakes on Tel(dec?). I could
detect no "high drama" in them, unless a generalized sort of lumbering, weighty
approach counts; and no performance among those I sampled seemed really to
stand out as special. I was surprised at how slovenly some of the orchestral
playing was, and Barenboim himself is in better form on the earlier set.
--Todd K
My favorite Mozart Piano Concerto is No. 23, with Perahia and the
English Chamber Orchestra. I also love #24 and many others with the
same pianist (and others, too, although Perahia is my favorite for
most of them). They (late Mozart PC's) are truly some of the most
inspired works for piano (or for any instrument, ensemble, etc.).
Tina
*********Val
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> I'd like to recommend a cd
> on the Urania label with
> Clara Haskil playing 13 and 19
> 1952 (Fricsay)
>
Yikes!
dk
Dan Koren wrote:
What "yikes" ?? No. 13 and 19, remember. If some don't like how Haskil
plays dramatic music -- "too weak" --, concertos such as no 13 and 19
seem to have been composed for her. In fact her playing of these two
concertos is more adequate to the particular music than any others I've
heard.
regards,
SG
I don't like that so many people
seem to believe that Mozart wrote
his music for Mme Haskil and Mme
Uchida.
Reeks of superstition.
dk
He's doing quite a lot these days actually -- just had two recitals at
the Wigmore Hall with Bach preludes and fugues, coupled with modern
pieces and romantic pieces, Kurtag and Brahms in one programme, and
Ligeti and Liszt in the other. He's doing the same programme at the
Musikverein in Vienna later in the year too.... I wasn't too impressed
by his Bach, coming to it with high expectations of another Koroliov
or Schepkin.
VG
It's probably just as well they opted for the awful brass/timpani (and
wind?)-free version of 13.
Simon
#24 Casadesus/Jochum BRSO
#17 and #27 Klien/ Skrow (Carlton Classics transfer); also
Gulda/Abbado in 27(DG)
#26 Vasary/BPO
#21 Klien w/ #16(don't recall conductor-Semkow?)also Gulda DG
#20 Fischer/Jochum; remeber also liked Gulda (DG)
#22 Don't know who - wasn't completely overwhelmed by Fischer/Danish
orchestra one
#15 (can't think of who, apart from above-mentioned Horszowski cycle )
#9 (can't think of a performance I like most; did remember liking
Hokanson/Redel also)
-Those with Edwin Fischer and his own orchestra; I don't recall
offhand exactly which concerti (includes 14?)
You don't think she was exciting?
************Val
Walter Klein was an important Mozart interperter (I also would like to
get my hands on his Brahms.)
*************Val
Val:
>>>>>I'd like to recommend a cd
>>>>>on the Urania label with
>>>>>Clara Haskil playing 13 and 19
>>>>>1952 (Fricsay)
DK:
>>>>Yikes!
SG:
>>>What "yikes" ?? No. 13 and 19, remember. If some don't like how Haskil
>>>plays dramatic music -- "too weak" --, concertos such as no 13 and 19
>>>seem to have been composed for her. In fact her playing of these two
>>>concertos is more adequate to the particular music than any others I've
>>>heard.
DK:
>>I don't like that so many people
>>seem to believe that Mozart wrote
>>his music for Mme Haskil and Mme
>>Uchida.
I understand what you're saying. What *I* am saying is that Uchida and
Haskil look alike *when looked at from a distance*. Get your microscope
out and you'll hear tremendous richness of nuance in Haskil's best
playing -- only that is the richness of the drawer, not of the painter.
Not easy at all to do what she's doing, trust me ( :.
Val:
> Mme Uchida would not have been permitted to use the facilities in
> Cortot's servant's cottage.
Well, Haskil was Cortot's student. . . they used to have their fights
when Clara was young (DK will be tremendously happy to know that Cortot
once told the young Haskil "you play like a servant" and Haskil born a
long grudge to him because of that), but later on Cortot recognized the
validity of Haskil's understated but by no means boring style. What
always flabbergasted me was *Stokowski*'s huge admiration for Haskil --
I could hardly think of two more different artists. . . for what it's
worth, Charles Chaplin (I am not calling him an authority, just relating
a bit of more or less relevant trivia) was in love with Haskil's playing.
regards,
SG
Correct.
In fact, Mme Uchida would not
have been allowed to cross the
French border, unless she carried
her own loo.
dk
Santa Clara?
No, she was sublime.
Only problem being that I
don't care for sublimity.
dk
Horowitz for no 23? Now it's my turn to say "Yikes"! Horowitz's Mozart
playing had nothing to do with Mozart!
Willem
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>> >
>> 17 Bashkirov
>> 20 Michelangeli, Richter, Rubinstein
>> 23 Horowitz, Rubinstein
>> 24 Bashkirov, Richter, Schnabel
>> 27 Gilels
And were are Curzon, Perahia, Brendel, Casadesus, etc.etc.?
Why nowhere, of course. Koren's blinkers again.
And there's this fetish for Bashthepiano!
TD
"Bashthepiano" hardly describes the performances in question (which to these
ears suffer from a surfeit of understatement).
Simon
Kocsis/Rolla: 8, 13 & 25; 12 & 23
P. Serkin/A. Schneider, particularly 16 & 17
The Casadesus/Szell stereo set, especially 21 & 22.
Rosina Lhevine in 21 and Glenn Gould in 24 (which I have on the
same Sony Masterworks Portrait CD).
And, yes, Curzon/Britten in 27.
My favorite concerti: 24, 22, 17, 13, 9, 26, 27, 16, 20, 25 & 18.
This will most likely change within the hour.
At the moment I'm playing the excellent Zacharias/Wand 24.
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> Rosina Lhevine in 21 and Glenn Gould in 24 (which I have on the
> same Sony Masterworks Portrait CD).
Rosina's 21 never impressed me that much; so I didn't really feel any pang
of regret when I dumped the Lhevinne GP20C in favor of the single Naxos CD.
> And, yes, Curzon/Britten in 27.
Indeed. I must hear that again soon.
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His recordings of K. 330 (in particular, his debut DGG CD) strike me as
among the most precious and most mincing I have ever heard. Which Mozart
recordings were once called "silk underwear music"? These could be, too.
I think the silk underwear reference is Virgil Thomson's putdown of Heifetz,
i.e. that was the kind of music he was best at.
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I think some of it (op.116 or 117-119)is on a Tuxedo CD.
Well, to be a more serious,
Uchida's style is more than a bit spreadeagled.
*************Val
More consistent, sleek and polished, but not as lively or interesting or alert
as the best of his EMI set, less languid than that set's relative failures (such
as 21 and 27).
Simon
Incidentally, speaking of Serkin, I saw him do the Prokofiev conterto for
the left hand. It was the only time I ever saw him use music. Peter was
turning his pages. This was around 1960 in Philadelphia.
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> Recently our local classical station came up with a list of top 100
> works based on votes by listeners (evreyone is entitled to vote five
> works listed in order of preference). My favourite piano concerto -
> Mozart's #24 - didn't show up in the list (I did vote though). In fact
> the only Mozart PC on that list is #21, languishing at position 99 :-(
>
> I find Mozart's late PCs to be the most touching works for piano and
> orchestra. Is this a minority opinion? Anyway, what I am interested
> in is what is your favourite Mozart PC and its recordings. Mine is
> #24 by Casadesus/Szell and Moravec/Marriner.
>
> - Joydeep -
> I haven't played the recording in so long I don't remember who's
> conducting what, just who was playing, but I'd take this recording of
> Rudolph Serkin's #22 performance if I had to choose one on the spot. I
> remember hearing (seeing) him play it with Ormandy (whom I detested and
> still do), but I don't remember with whom Serkin recorded it.
>
> Incidentally, speaking of Serkin, I saw him do the Prokofiev conterto for
> the left hand. It was the only time I ever saw him use music. Peter was
> turning his pages. This was around 1960 in Philadelphia.
Could this Prokofiev performance maybe have been a tad earlier? He
recorded it there on 30 March 1958.
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