Eye witness
Peter Lemken
|recording of Brahms Piano Concerto No 2 I happen to know who the 1st
|horn and who the cellist is/was although it appears inappropriate to
|post details of same on a group such as this. Some felt the cellist
|should have been named, if not the hornist who opens the work cold. No
|matter.
Funny, isn't it?
Peter Lemken
Berlin
Josep Vilanova
who wrote that?
Tony Overington
>
> who wrote that?
Surely the painstakingly clear and mild English reveals who....
Henk van Tuijl
"Josep Vilanova" <josepv...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:1171708667.2...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Alan Watkins, I suppose?
Henk
Steve de Mena
> |I cannot say whether Mr Kohler is a fake or a pseundonym. On "his"
> |recording of Brahms Piano Concerto No 2 I happen to know who the 1st
> |horn and who the cellist is/was although it appears inappropriate to
> |post details of same on a group such as this. Some felt the cellist
> |should have been named, if not the hornist who opens the work cold. No
> |matter.
>
> Funny, isn't it?
>
> Peter Lemken
> Berlin
>
Wow!
That post above was from Mr. Alan M. Watkins.
I would love to hear what he has to say now about
this recording, which has been unmasked as being
by the Vienna Philharmonic.
Steve
Steve de Mena
Alan M. Watkins
AT&T Worldnet
"names" of recording engineers. (John Cussons & Simon Linns for the Ravel;
Jonathon Philmot for the Mozart; and John Cussons for the Brahms Piano
Concertos and for the Liszt Trancendental Etudes). Also, the Digital
Editors for the recordings are listed as Smon Linns for the Ravel; Paul
Cussons for the Mozart and Brahms PC 1, Paul Cussons/Philip Naylor for the
Liszt and Colin Meyerstein for the Brahms PC2.
Presumably it can be verified whether these people exist. It now appears
beyond reasonable doubt that at least some (if not) all of these recordings
are other artists' work.
(Thankfully, although I purchased them, I did not listen to the Brahms PC2
and only once to the Brahms PC1, while I was using my computer. I thought
the other recordings were excellent, and I would really like to know whose
work I have been appreciating).
"Peter Lemken" <spam.f...@buerotiger.de> wrote in message
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Andrew Rose
> Another angle nobody in the group has yet mentioned. The CDS I have give
> "names" of recording engineers. (John Cussons & Simon Linns for the Ravel;
> Jonathon Philmot for the Mozart; and John Cussons for the Brahms Piano
> Concertos and for the Liszt Trancendental Etudes). Also, the Digital
> Editors for the recordings are listed as Smon Linns for the Ravel; Paul
> Cussons for the Mozart and Brahms PC 1, Paul Cussons/Philip Naylor for the
> Liszt and Colin Meyerstein for the Brahms PC2.
>
> Presumably it can be verified whether these people exist. It now appears
> beyond reasonable doubt that at least some (if not) all of these recordings
> are other artists' work.
My guess - and I can find no reference to any of them via Google - is
that they're all fake.
Fancy having at Chandos two Couzens, and at Concert Artists two Cussons...
--
Andrew Rose - Pristine Classical
The online home of Classical Music: www.pristineclassical.com
Kurt Hunciker
am looking forward to listening to them!
Thanks again for all your detective work.
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Steve de Mena
> Another angle nobody in the group has yet mentioned. The CDS I have give
> "names" of recording engineers. (John Cussons & Simon Linns for the Ravel;
> Jonathon Philmot for the Mozart; and John Cussons for the Brahms Piano
> Concertos and for the Liszt Trancendental Etudes). Also, the Digital
> Editors for the recordings are listed as Smon Linns for the Ravel; Paul
> Cussons for the Mozart and Brahms PC 1, Paul Cussons/Philip Naylor for the
> Liszt and Colin Meyerstein for the Brahms PC2.
>
> Presumably it can be verified whether these people exist.
Let me go out on a limb here and say that I feel
all those names are fictitious.
Steve
Matthew B. Tepper
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Correct: http://preview.tinyurl.com/24orrk
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> AT&T Worldnet wrote:
>> Another angle nobody in the group has yet mentioned. The CDS I have
>> give "names" of recording engineers. (John Cussons & Simon Linns for
>> the Ravel; Jonathon Philmot for the Mozart; and John Cussons for the
>> Brahms Piano Concertos and for the Liszt Trancendental Etudes). Also,
>> the Digital Editors for the recordings are listed as Smon Linns for the
>> Ravel; Paul Cussons for the Mozart and Brahms PC 1, Paul Cussons/Philip
>> Naylor for the Liszt and Colin Meyerstein for the Brahms PC2.
>>
>> Presumably it can be verified whether these people exist. It now
>> appears beyond reasonable doubt that at least some (if not) all of
>> these recordings are other artists' work.
>
> My guess - and I can find no reference to any of them via Google - is
> that they're all fake.
>
> Fancy having at Chandos two Couzens, and at Concert Artists two
> Cussons...
I've met Couzens fils, and he pronounces his name like "cousins."
Matthew B. Tepper
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I would agree. I'd sooner trust a release with "Mr. Bear" in the credits.
John Wilson
As one friend observed:
Lucy's got some splainin' to do.
Andrew Rose
> Steve de Mena <ste...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in
> news:45d72374$0$24770$4c36...@roadrunner.com:
>
>> AT&T Worldnet wrote:
>>> Another angle nobody in the group has yet mentioned. The CDS I have give
>>> "names" of recording engineers. (John Cussons & Simon Linns for the
>>> Ravel; Jonathon Philmot for the Mozart; and John Cussons for the Brahms
>>> Piano Concertos and for the Liszt Trancendental Etudes). Also, the
>>> Digital Editors for the recordings are listed as Smon Linns for the
>>> Ravel; Paul Cussons for the Mozart and Brahms PC 1, Paul Cussons/Philip
>>> Naylor for the Liszt and Colin Meyerstein for the Brahms PC2.
>>>
>>> Presumably it can be verified whether these people exist.
>> Let me go out on a limb here and say that I feel all those names are
>> fictitious.
>
> I would agree. I'd sooner trust a release with "Mr. Bear" in the credits.
>
He's my trusty assistant - but spends most of his time in my young son's
bedroom laying about...
Kirk McElhearn
>>> Presumably it can be verified whether these people exist.
>>
>> Let me go out on a limb here and say that I feel all those names are
>> fictitious.
>
> I would agree. I'd sooner trust a release with "Mr. Bear" in the credits.
Hey, the Grateful Dead had a sound engineer named Bear...
Kirk
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http://www.mcelhearn.com
Matthew B. Tepper
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Actually, "Mr. Bear" was the longtime pseudonym of a recording engineer named
Mike Clements.
Todd Schurk
Yes...Where is Mr. Watkins? He hasn't had a thing to say about all
this in almost 48 hrs. now- Lucy???????
Josep Vilanova
> Steve de Mena <ste...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
>
>
>
> > Josep Vilanova wrote:
> >> On Feb 17, 10:28 am, spam.for....@buerotiger.de (Peter Lemken) wrote:
> >>> |I cannot say whether Mr Kohler is a fake or a pseundonym. On "his"
> >>> |recording of Brahms Piano Concerto No 2 I happen to know who the 1st
> >>> |horn and who the cellist is/was although it appears inappropriate to
> >>> |post details of same on a group such as this. Some felt the cellist
> >>> |should have been named, if not the hornist who opens the work cold. No
> >>> |matter.
>
> >>> Funny, isn't it?
>
> >>> Peter Lemken
> >>> Berlin
>
> >>> --http://www.pianoblog.de/readarticle.php?article_id=1
>
> >> who wrote that?
>
> > Alan M. Watkins
>
> Correct: http://preview.tinyurl.com/24orrk
>
I had a look at that thread and it also says, later on:
And to add to any conspiracy theory, Fiorentino recorded
with Kohler.
>From Crotchet page
CATALOGUE NR: CACD92342
RECORD LABEL: Concert Artist
FORMAT: CD
PRICE: £ 12.50 including VAT, or £ 10.64 excluding VAT
COMPOSER: George Gershwin
TRACKS: Piano Concerto in F. Three Piano Preludes : Prelude in B
flat /
Prelude in C sharp minor / Prelude in E flat. Song Transcriptions :
The man
I love / Lady be good / Somebody loves me / I've got rhythm / Stairway
to
Paradise / Fascinating Rhythm / Swanee / 'S Wonderful. An American in
Paris.
ORCHESTRA: National Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra and London
Philharmonic
CONDUCTOR: Rene Kohler and Hugo Rignold
ARTISTS: Sergio Fiorentino
But what can Peter expect. Fiorentino is also put
out by Concert Artists. MUST be very questionable, eh?
- A
Hmmm... How legit is Fiorentino?
Steve de Mena
>
> COMPOSER: George Gershwin
> TRACKS: Piano Concerto in F. Three Piano Preludes : Prelude in B
> flat /
> Prelude in C sharp minor / Prelude in E flat. Song Transcriptions :
> The man
> I love / Lady be good / Somebody loves me / I've got rhythm / Stairway
> to
> Paradise / Fascinating Rhythm / Swanee / 'S Wonderful. An American in
> Paris.
> ORCHESTRA: National Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra and London
> Philharmonic
> CONDUCTOR: Rene Kohler and Hugo Rignold
> ARTISTS: Sergio Fiorentino
>
> But what can Peter expect. Fiorentino is also put
> out by Concert Artists. MUST be very questionable, eh?
>
> - A
>
>
>
> Hmmm... How legit is Fiorentino?
>
I believe the Rene Kohler selection(s) on that CD
are credited to Joyce Hatto.
Steve
Peter Lemken
> But what can Peter expect. Fiorentino is also put
> out by Concert Artists. MUST be very questionable, eh?
>
> Hmmm... How legit is Fiorentino?
I find this comment deeply insulting, to put it mildly.
I have never doubted the personal existence and artistic proficiency of
Sergio Fiorentino and the authenticity of all his recordings. In fact, I
have been offered Sergio Fiorentino General Management during my active time
as an artist manager by Ernst Lumpe himself, who at that time called me an
expert on all things piano. I declined this generous offer since I was
already busy enough building a career of similiarily aged pianist of stature
and artistic history and could not possibly spare the time to do the same
for another pianist.
Sergio Fiorentino is a fabulous artist and if there is anything positive in
all of this bizarre Hatto hoax thing, it is the fact that Mr. Fiorentino's
recordings have been made available.
Peter Lemken
Berlin
Andrew Rose
Then whose that furry thing sleeping with my little boy???? ;-)