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UPLOADED! Best Bartok Quartets even (Ramor)
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Frank Forman
Jan 20, 2012, 4:12:56 PM1/20/12
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These are so imprinted on my brain that I can't listen to any other
recording without these going through my head. Listen to them over
headphones! And report back.
http://www.filefactory.com/f/f4265f9d30098676/
Bartok String Quartets
Ramor Quartet
Andreas Sándor, Erwin Ramor, Zoltán Thirring, Vera Nogrady
Vox SVBX 519
I grew up on these performance, but in mono. I greatly admired my 10th
grade math teacher and he commended the Bartok quartets to me. For a while
during my final semester of high school, I was listening to them twice a
day! When I got to college, my mono recording was replace with stereo ones
by the Julliard Quartet, the Hungarian Quartet, and the Fine Arts Quartet,
which I could not stand, either for Bartok or Beethoven, though it does a
nice job with Mendelssohn. I heard the Amadeus Quartet perform Beethoven
during the Tuesday Evening Concert Series at the University of Virginia.
They dedicated the concert to a politician, John F. Kennedy, who shortly
before staged an assisted suicide, but whose suicide was not appreciated
as such until I figured out that he knew he was going to die and did not
want to go down in history alongside Millard Fillmore and arranged his
assistants to spray around so much contradictory evidence that he would
remain of major interest to all those who hold to the Enlightenment hope
that reason can solve all problems. (Season tickets cost students $5 for
seven concerts. I went for two years. My lifetime spending out of my own
pocket on concerts is exactly ten dollars!) Later, I acquired the stereo
Vox Box. I don't think it was the memory of my founding recording, which I
had not disposed of, that makes it my all-time favorite but rather the
extreme stereo spread, where I can hear the genius of Bartok split among
the instruments. In the early days of stereo, extreme spread in trying out
this new way of reproducing sound. Later on, the powers that be decided
that such extreme stereo spread was not "authentic," that the goal of
recording was to reproduce the concert experience, not to situate the
listener right smack in the middle of the performers, even if this helps
him comprehend the music better. The customer is king, I and John Wanamker
say. It is the bouncing back and forth among the instruments that makes
this my favorite recording.
DISC 5 of 16 ("Essential in Stereo")
Tr 1: Quartet 1
Track 2: Quartet 2
Track 3: Quartet 3
Track 4: Quartet 4:1
DISC 6:
Track 1: Quartet 4:2-5
Track 2: Quartet 5
Track 3: Quartet 6
recording without these going through my head. Listen to them over
headphones! And report back.
http://www.filefactory.com/f/f4265f9d30098676/
Bartok String Quartets
Ramor Quartet
Andreas Sándor, Erwin Ramor, Zoltán Thirring, Vera Nogrady
Vox SVBX 519
I grew up on these performance, but in mono. I greatly admired my 10th
grade math teacher and he commended the Bartok quartets to me. For a while
during my final semester of high school, I was listening to them twice a
day! When I got to college, my mono recording was replace with stereo ones
by the Julliard Quartet, the Hungarian Quartet, and the Fine Arts Quartet,
which I could not stand, either for Bartok or Beethoven, though it does a
nice job with Mendelssohn. I heard the Amadeus Quartet perform Beethoven
during the Tuesday Evening Concert Series at the University of Virginia.
They dedicated the concert to a politician, John F. Kennedy, who shortly
before staged an assisted suicide, but whose suicide was not appreciated
as such until I figured out that he knew he was going to die and did not
want to go down in history alongside Millard Fillmore and arranged his
assistants to spray around so much contradictory evidence that he would
remain of major interest to all those who hold to the Enlightenment hope
that reason can solve all problems. (Season tickets cost students $5 for
seven concerts. I went for two years. My lifetime spending out of my own
pocket on concerts is exactly ten dollars!) Later, I acquired the stereo
Vox Box. I don't think it was the memory of my founding recording, which I
had not disposed of, that makes it my all-time favorite but rather the
extreme stereo spread, where I can hear the genius of Bartok split among
the instruments. In the early days of stereo, extreme spread in trying out
this new way of reproducing sound. Later on, the powers that be decided
that such extreme stereo spread was not "authentic," that the goal of
recording was to reproduce the concert experience, not to situate the
listener right smack in the middle of the performers, even if this helps
him comprehend the music better. The customer is king, I and John Wanamker
say. It is the bouncing back and forth among the instruments that makes
this my favorite recording.
DISC 5 of 16 ("Essential in Stereo")
Tr 1: Quartet 1
Track 2: Quartet 2
Track 3: Quartet 3
Track 4: Quartet 4:1
DISC 6:
Track 1: Quartet 4:2-5
Track 2: Quartet 5
Track 3: Quartet 6
hiker_rs
Jan 20, 2012, 10:10:57 PM1/20/12
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On Jan 20, 3:12 pm, Frank Forman <chec...@panix.com> wrote:
> They dedicated the concert to a politician, John F. Kennedy, who shortly
> before staged an assisted suicide, but whose suicide was not appreciated
> as such until I figured out that he knew he was going to die and did not
> want to go down in history alongside Millard Fillmore and arranged his
> assistants to spray around so much contradictory evidence that he would
> remain of major interest to all those who hold to the Enlightenment hope
> that reason can solve all problems.
Rich
John Wiser
Jan 20, 2012, 10:44:51 PM1/20/12
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"hiker_rs" <schi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:7444afbc-1f6b-4d68...@j15g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
You're tuning in late, Rich. Frank is a well-known usenet whacko
on a par with K**s N*lst Tr*nite and the Learned Astronomer.
JDW
news:7444afbc-1f6b-4d68...@j15g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
on a par with K**s N*lst Tr*nite and the Learned Astronomer.
JDW
Frank Forman
Jan 21, 2012, 5:53:53 PM1/21/12
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theories is that all the evidence doesn't match up. So dwell on one
anomaly, formulate a new theory, and write a book about it!
What I did was to think there must be a REASON for anomalous evidence
and not just the randomness that pervades nature. So, I came up with a
fresh conspiracy theory. Do you doubt an entire book could be offered
in support of my assisted suicide theory. I floated it on
alt.jfk.conspiracy during the 40th anniversary. Posters there said it
was original, but I don't think anyone turned the idea into a book.
All I can say is that the number of actual conspiracies is not zero but
that the number of conspiracy theories vastly exceeds their number of
actual ones. I recommend Peter Knight's brilliant Conspiracy Culture,
which argues that conspiracy thinking, even conspiracies without
conspirators, is close to a rational response to the postmodern
condition.
If I'm a wacko, explain how. My politics are broadly decentralist,
which comes from the fact that I don't know what truth about what
"ought" to be done means in politics and that it would be better to
allow for vast differences in counties so that one could migrate there
to find one's ideal mix of taxes, benefits, and regulations.
bassppn
Jan 21, 2012, 7:13:37 PM1/21/12
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On Jan 20, 10:44 pm, "John Wiser" <ceec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "hiker_rs" <schie...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
I happen to agree with Frank.........(and I am not a 'wacko')
AB
> "hiker_rs" <schie...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
AB
hiker_rs
Jan 21, 2012, 8:29:39 PM1/21/12
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> > "hiker_rs" <schie...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> to find one's ideal mix of taxes, benefits, and regulations.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi Frank
I did miss the satire but nonetheless thought it was an amusing
digression in the midst of a discussion of Bartok Quartets. (But never
thought you a wacko).
Your present post makes your intent clear.
Cheers,
Rich
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi Frank
I did miss the satire but nonetheless thought it was an amusing
digression in the midst of a discussion of Bartok Quartets. (But never
thought you a wacko).
Your present post makes your intent clear.
Cheers,
Rich
Wadeworks
Jan 23, 2012, 12:41:37 PM1/23/12
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Quartets by the Ramors available via Itunes (AAC format 256kbs) and
Amazon (MP3 format 236kbs) under Denon Essentials. I presume these
are the Vox recordings. Price $5.99 for the full set.
howie...@btinternet.com
Sep 23, 2014, 11:11:14 AM9/23/14
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Having just discovered the Ramor Quartet, I can see why the OP is so enthusiastic. What I'm not clear about is whether there's something special about the stereo separation in his transfer. If so I'd love to hear it, in as high quality sound as possible. The original link is dead.
More generally I now think that the agressive and hard approach to late Bartok quartets doesn't do justice to the expressiveness of the music. Tatrai, Zehetmair and Ramor understood that well. I think you hear a similar approach in Bartok's own recordings of his keyboard music, and in Gregory Sandor's mono recordings.
More generally I now think that the agressive and hard approach to late Bartok quartets doesn't do justice to the expressiveness of the music. Tatrai, Zehetmair and Ramor understood that well. I think you hear a similar approach in Bartok's own recordings of his keyboard music, and in Gregory Sandor's mono recordings.
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