New Youri Egorov website - the complete discopgraphy

[wimmo...@gmail.com]

Your comment and input on the following is welcome:

The new "Youri Egorov, the complete discography " website (start january 2015): the compelete discography of pianist Youri Egorov, including sound excerpts of rare LPs and live recordings.

This non-profit is dedicated to great pianist Youri Egorov who died in 1988.

The discography listing is as complete as it can be and more complete than for example WikiPedia.

Website address: http://www.youri-egorov.info/

Wim

[Mort]

Hi Wim,

Thanks so much for this post. I saw and recorded Youri twice in the New
York City area, was a member of the Egorov Foundation for some time, and
have their DVD about him, including a poignant scene of his mother
touching his piano in Amsterdam, when the Soviet officials allowed her
to go to Amsterdam only AFTER he died.

I have all the available recordings of his, and treasure them. He was
already a marvelous artist,and had nowhere to go in his career but up.

P.S. Wim is a Dutch name.Are you Dutch? Ik ben Amerikaan van geboorte en
opbrengst, en heb te Utrecht van 1952-1957 tot Arts gestudeerd.

Regards,

Mort

[Mort]

Hi Wim,

I cannnot find an "info" button to order the Egorov/Dorati DVD, nor can
I find out on the Beeld en Geluid web site how to order. I would
greatly appreciate your giving me/us an URL at which an order can be placed.

(I speak Dutch, so it is not a language problem.)

Thanks a lot; hartelijk bedankt,

Mort Linder

[Wim]

Yes, I am Dutch. My last name happens to be 'De Haan'

[Wim]

On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 2:39:10 AM UTC+2, Mort wrote:

> Hi Wim,
>
> I cannnot find an "info" button to order the Egorov/Dorati DVD, nor can
> I find out on the Beeld en Geluid web site how to order. I would
> greatly appreciate your giving me/us an URL at which an order can be placed.
>
> (I speak Dutch, so it is not a language problem.)
>
> Thanks a lot; hartelijk bedankt,
>
> Mort Linder

The direct link is too long for my website editor program, but if you go to 'releases' 'DVD' and click the 'info' button near the Dorati Tchaikovsky info, it should bring you to the page how to order. It is important that you click 'zoek' (= search) on the Beeld en Geluid website, a direct click on your enter button will not work, so click 'search'.

Anyway, I did copy the direct URL to order down here, hope this works:

http://zoeken.beeldengeluid.nl/internet/index.aspx?chapterid=1164&filterid=974&contentid=7&searchID=1074674&columnorderid=-1&orderby=1&itemsOnPage=10&defsortcol=12&defsortby=2&pvname=personen&pis=expressies;selecties&startrow=1&resultitemid=1&nrofresults=8&verityID=/71543/72223/74464/197674@expressies

This TV broadcast seems not be very known for some reason, quality is outstanding and it is an unique document. Also, I wondered myself why this video did not make to the 10CD + DVD box that was released in 2013, guess a copyright issue.

Wim

[tomdeacon]

Wim <wimmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 2:39:10 AM UTC+2, Mort wrote:
>
>> Hi Wim,
>>
>> I cannnot find an "info" button to order the Egorov/Dorati DVD, nor can
>> I find out on the Beeld en Geluid web site how to order. I would
>> greatly appreciate your giving me/us an URL at which an order can be placed.
>>
>> (I speak Dutch, so it is not a language problem.)
>>
>> Thanks a lot; hartelijk bedankt,
>>
>> Mort Linder
>
> The direct link is too long for my website editor program, but if you go
> to 'releases' 'DVD' and click the 'info' button near the Dorati
> Tchaikovsky info, it should bring you to the page how to order. It is
> important that you click 'zoek' (= search) on the Beeld en Geluid
> website, a direct click on your enter button will not work, so click 'search'.
>
> Anyway, I did copy the direct URL to order down here, hope this works:
>

> http://zoeken.beeldengeluid.nl/internet/index.aspx?chapterid 64&filterid—4&contentid=7&searchID 74674&columnorderid=-1&orderby=1&itemsOnPage &defsortcol &defsortby=2&pvname=personen&pis=expressies;selecties&startrow=1&resultitemid=1&nrofresults=8&verityID=/71543/72223/74464/197674@expressies

>
> This TV broadcast seems not be very known for some reason, quality is
> outstanding and it is an unique document. Also, I wondered myself why
> this video did not make to the 10CD + DVD box that was released in 2013,
> guess a copyright issue.

I have to say that I have always wondered what the fuss was about Egorov. I
was in Fort Worth in 1977 covering the VCC for the CBC when he participated
in that competition, having failed to win either in Moscow or Leeds. He was
famously eliminated before the finals, I seem to recall, which created
something of a scandal in FW. The six pianists selected were all very fine,
Steven De Groote being exceptional in my opinion. And Pierre Sancan, who
was on the jury, told me that De Groote led the pack in each and every
round and by a large measure. Toradze, who placed second in the end, was a
typical Russian, everything either too loud or too soft. A lot of piano
pounding going on, specially in his party piece Stravinsky's Petrushka, a
lot of ppp mincing going on in a string of Scarlatti sonatas. Everything in
extremes.

Egorov, a small, seelingly shy, waif-like young man with a winsome smile,
gave proficient but rather affected performances of the music he chose. His
manner won him a lot of fans, among whom were Bob and Anne Bass, the FW
billionaires. They were so incensed at his elimination that they personally
financed his Carnegie Hall debut and recording, casting an unfortunate
shadow on the debut of the real winner there, Steven De Groote. All rather
tawdry, I would say. Money can do both good and ill.

And then there were the EMI recordings, and then some Dutch ones, and then
his tragic death from AIDS at a very early age. Subsequently his admirers,
mostly in the NL scoured the world for his legacy, digging up recordings
from everywhere as though this was another Lipatti. Same tragic death, you
know. Short life. Limited repertoire. Etc. and the unreleased tapes only
loom as more treasure to reveal to the world.

Naturally it is good to see his life laid out this way in recordings, but I
just wish that there were more to the hunt than a search for traces of a
good, but average pianist who died young of an incurable disease. It all
strikes me as a bit ghoullish. Perhaps it is just me, I guess. But I fear
that a mountain is being made of a mole hill here.

--
TD

[Tony]

Toradze playing Ravel's Oiseaux tristes from Miroirs as an encore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fak6cbdjXeY

[JohnGavin]

This performance does confirm Tom's description above. His instincts seem to be to bounce from one dynamic extreme to the other, rather than finding the required delicacy in the shades in between - or maybe Ravel shows him being miscast.

[Wim]

Who happens to know something about the following rare 1975 Youri Egorov LP. This LP is not listed on Wikipedia and was also not mentioned by James H. North of Fanfare in his comprehensive Youri Egorov discography.

This recording seems to be made shortly after the Reine Elisabeth 1975 Concours Belgium. It is not a recording from the concours itself and also not by Melodia (it is never released in Russia, also the cover does mention 'Melodia', not 'Melodiya'). All names like producer and recording technician have Flemish names). Also, it seems to be released in Belgium only. The cover does not give any info on recording date, place or other details.

Program:
Prokofiev Piano Sonata No.8 in B-flat, Op.8
Prokofiev Piano Sonata No.3 in A minor, Op.28

The Sonata No. 3 is unique. Egorov did not record this particular aonata before or after this release.

Label: Melodia
Format: 33 RPM, 12 inch, LP, stereo
Year released: 1975
Catalog number: 563.003

In this series three LPs are released and released in Belgium only.

Iuri EGOROV 3rd prize
1LP Melodia 563.003

Stanislav IGOLINSKY 2nd prize
1LP Melodia 563.002

Mikhaïl FAERMAN 1st prize
1LP Melodia 563.001

On my website I made some audio excerpts available of this rare album.

Wim

[Tony]

I agree with you and Tom. It's the first time I've heard him play Ravel but doesn't change my opinion. Even at his most interesting, voicing new ideas in the Prokofiev concerti, he tends to bang his way through everything.

Wim you've set up an excellent website by the way.

[tomdeacon]

Those are Dutch/Belgian Melodiya issues. I own many of these. No idea if
they ever appeared in the USSR. I have a vague memory that Egorov also
played Prokofiev 8 in Fort Worth, by the way.


--
TD

[Mort]

Hi,

Having heard Mr. Egorov twice in the NYC area, I can attest to the fact
that his playing "live" is vastly superior to most if not all of his
recordings. EMI, in particular the early digital recordings, gave him a
hard, metallic sound that was not at all present in person. He may have
been one of those artists who played better in front of an audience than
in an empty recording studio.

Yes, Wim has created an outstanding web site, which takes a lot of
knowledge and work. Congratulations.

Mort Linder

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[howie...@btinternet.com]

I wonder if you feel the same way about his Haydn, which I quite enjoyed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ds0WiQ0kwU

Or his Schubert, Moments Musicaux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBBB79CHTY

[Mort]

Hi,

I do not know if the "you" in your post was a general address, or
applied to me, as it came on line right after my last post on this
topic. In general , my opinion of YouTube's sound is like the old sexist
joke:

How is your wife?
Better than nothing.

In person, Youri Egorov had a gorgeous tone, which is not at all
conveyed in his hard, brittle sounding EMI(U.K.) recordings, and only
partially in many others. To hear his tone ground up like hamburger on
YouTube is to me an abomination.

Mort Linder

[Bozo]

>On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:44:25 AM UTC-5, tomdeacon wrote:
> I have to say that I have always wondered what the fuss was about Egorov. I
> was in Fort Worth in 1977 covering the VCC for the CBC when he participated
> in that competition, having failed to win either in Moscow or Leeds. He was
> famously eliminated before the finals, I seem to recall, which created
> something of a scandal in FW.

From Horowitz' , "The Ivory Trade " :

"...In 1976 ,one of Yakov Zak's best students,Youri Egorov,defected, leading to Zak's intense interrogation and disgarce.Later that year, Zak died....In (1977 Cliburn juror ) Petrov's opinion,Egorov's defection had contributed to Yakov Zak's death.In the opinion of Toradze,Petrov was predisposed to penalize both him and Egorov for disloyalty to Zak.Egorov blamed Petrov for his surprising failure to survive the final cut.Petrov insists ( and others confirm) that he was one of Tpradze's loyal supporters on the 1977 Cliburn jury, and counters unprovable allegations regarding his behavior toward Egorov with plausible stories of his own ... jurors and contestants know one another, and harbor strong opinions,before a note is played."

[Frank Berger]

On 6/15/2015 9:01 PM, Bozo wrote:
>> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:44:25 AM UTC-5, tomdeacon
>> wrote: I have to say that I have always wondered what
>> the fuss was about Egorov. I was in Fort Worth in 1977
>> covering the VCC for the CBC when he participated in
>> that competition, having failed to win either in Moscow
>> or Leeds. He was famously eliminated before the finals,
>> I seem to recall, which created something of a scandal
>> in FW.
>
> From Horowitz' , "The Ivory Trade " :
>
> "...In 1976 ,one of Yakov Zak's best students,Youri
> Egorov,defected, leading to Zak's intense interrogation
> and disgarce.Later that year, Zak died....In (1977
> Cliburn juror ) Petrov's opinion,Egorov's defection had
> contributed to Yakov Zak's death.

Did he die of embarrassment? KGB brutality? Sounds like a
crock.

>In the opinion of
> Toradze,Petrov was predisposed to penalize both him and
> Egorov for disloyalty to Zak.Egorov blamed Petrov for his
> surprising failure to survive the final cut.Petrov
> insists ( and others confirm) that he was one of
> Tpradze's loyal supporters on the 1977 Cliburn jury, and
> counters unprovable allegations regarding his behavior
> toward Egorov with plausible stories of his own ...
> jurors and contestants know one another, and harbor
> strong opinions,before a note is played."
>

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No not directly against you. It's just that I like his Schubert Moments Musicaux and his HAydn a lot.

[Bozo]

Youri Egorov's Netherlands debut Nov.2,1974 , just after his Bronze at the 1974 Tchaikovsky Competition , playing (interestingly ) the Tchaikovsky 3rd Concerto with Netherlands Radio Philharmonic under Roberto Benzi at the Concertgebouw,Amsterdam :

http://www.radio4.nl/luister-concerten/concerten/2903/matinee-op-de-vrije-zaterdag-nederlands-debuut-van-pianist-youri-egorov