Anne Sophie Mutter sucks....
JohnK54250
She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
and fame she has today.
My conclusion is reached after listening to her Brahms concerto and her
show
pieces under the 4D grammophone recording.
The most horrible thing about her playing is a faint and shaky tone.
Her bow often loses the bite on the strings and thus fails to produce a
warm and rich tone. This is very significant in her fast and difficult
passages and legato playing in pianossimo passages.
Next, her playing is extremely unclean and full of flaws. There is a lot
of sqeaking sound, notes with uneven tone colour, bad vibrato technique,
intonation problem, etc..etc...etc. She always seems to be struggling
with great difficulties.
I am not listening for perfection in a recording, even virtuosos like
Heifetz ain't perfect. However, it must be noted that there is a
tolerable range of imperfection that does not affect the mood of the piece
and can be excused. Sad to say, Mutter has gone far beyond that.
The only thing commendable about her playing is perhaps her style.
Her interpretation is highly passionate, all thanks to her exaggerating
contrasts in dynamics and powerful bowing. Unfortunately, this is
flawed by her technical imperfections.
Comments???
Songann
Comments?? Your assessment is hardly based on a very large sampling of her
recordings now is it?
Grover.C...@signature.below.d
In article <19970520140...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, johnk...@aol.com (JohnK54250) wrote:
>
>She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
>and fame she has today.
So what, as long as she wears strapless Christian Dior dresses at all of her
concerts and on her record covers. :-)
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Lim Song-Ann
She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
and fame she has today.
My conclusion is reached after listening to her Brahms concerto and her show
John F Bakker
Grover.C...@signature.below.d wrote:
: In article <19970520140...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, johnk...@aol.com (JohnK54250) wrote:
: >
: >She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
: So what, as long as she wears strapless Christian Dior dresses at all of her
: concerts and on her record covers. :-)
YEAH!!! :-)
Millions of people can't all be wrong, but I'd have to hear her first.
I'm just replying because I've seen pictures of those records and know
where you're coming from! :-)
(Yes, I'm a male chauvanist pig, but at least I won't get mad cow disease!)
OINK!
--
Jon Bakker
"If it doesn't have seven positions, I don't want to play it!"
- Bakker
Rob Taylor
Grover.C...@signature.below.d wrote:
> In article <19970520140...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> johnk...@aol.com (JohnK54250) wrote:
> >
> >She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the
> recognition
> >and fame she has today.
>
> So what, as long as she wears strapless Christian Dior dresses at all
> of her
> concerts and on her record covers. :-)
>
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Lets have more sex in music.
GBA
Grover.C...@signature.below.d wrote in article
<5lsjdq$i...@mtinsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> In article <19970520140...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
johnk...@aol.com (JohnK54250) wrote:
> >
> >She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
> >and fame she has today.
>
> So what, as long as she wears strapless Christian Dior dresses at all of
her
> concerts and on her record covers. :-)
>
>>Yeh. I saw her in concert once, and the best part was is that I got to
stare at her ass.
Eyes
Lawrence Eckerling
Lim Song-Ann wrote:
>
> She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
> and fame she has today.
>
ago, and she and Cecilia Bartoli were the two highlights of my concert
going experience in the last two years. Thats how phenominal they both
were (and I hear a lot of concerts!)
GBA
Grover.C...@signature.below.d wrote in article
<5lsjdq$i...@mtinsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> In article <19970520140...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
johnk...@aol.com (JohnK54250) wrote:
> >
> >She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
> >and fame she has today.
>
> So what, as long as she wears strapless Christian Dior dresses at all of
her
> concerts and on her record covers. :-)
>
>>>Yeh!! I saw her in concert a year ago, and the best thing about watching
her was that I was able to stare at her ass through the whole concerto.
>>>Eyes
Gddecker
In article <3384D7...@mcs.com>, Lawrence Eckerling <lec...@mcs.com>
writes:
> I heard her play an all Brahms Sonata recital in Chicago two months
>ago
Yes, I heard from a very fine violinist friend that these Brahms Sonatas
were excellent, excellent, excellent! He claimed it to be one of the very
best recitals he had ever seen in spite of pianist Lambert Orkis. It's
too bad she doesn't have someone like Radu Lupu accompanying
her................
Geoffrey Decker
Eric Schissel
And what's wrong with Orkis? His Mozart, at least, is quite fine
(accompanying- someone?- on a Virgin Classics CD of the 3 big violin
sonatas.)
But then, most people would want different pianists in Mozart than in
Brahms.-Eric Schissel
(I'm not sure I agree.)
In article <19970525153...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
GBA
Grover.C...@signature.below.d wrote in article
<5lsjdq$i...@mtinsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> In article <19970520140...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
johnk...@aol.com (JohnK54250) wrote:
> >
> >She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
> >and fame she has today.
>
> So what, as long as she wears strapless Christian Dior dresses at all of
her
> concerts and on her record covers. :-)
>
>>>>At least she has a great ass!!
GBA
GBA
Lawrence Eckerling <lec...@mcs.com> wrote in article
<3384D7...@mcs.com>...
> Lim Song-Ann wrote:
> >
> > She really really sucks and I don't think she deserves the recognition
> > and fame she has today.
> >
>>>>Yes she does! In fact she probably sucked her way to the top. I saw her
in concert recently, and I'll have to admit that the nicest thing about the
concert was that I got to stare at her great ass.
GG
Lawrence Eckerling
And by the way, I thought she was a great player before she lost
weight. As far as her music making, I could care less what she looks
like!
Lawrence Eckerling
Lawrence Eckerling
Get your quotes right, please. I did not write any of the above. I
believe she is an absolutely wonderful violinist, as recently
demonstrated by a phenominal Brahms recital I heard in Chicago a few
months ago.
Lawrence Eckerling
Dan Koren
In article <19970525153...@ladder02.news.aol.com> gdde...@aol.com (Gddecker) writes:
>In article <3384D7...@mcs.com>, Lawrence Eckerling <lec...@mcs.com>
>writes:
>
>> I heard her play an all Brahms Sonata recital in Chicago two months
>>ago
>
>were excellent, excellent, excellent! He claimed it to be one of the very
>best recitals he had ever seen in spite of pianist Lambert Orkis. It's
>her................
>
>Geoffrey Decker
Don't kid yourself - Lupu knows better than
to accompany someone like Anne-Sophie Mutter.
Hard to imagine two artists more different.
dk
stephen ginsberg
Dear Readers,
This is going to be final response to this thread. First it seems the
current group of blushing school girls do not know the roots of the
expression something "sucks" it is not sucking lemons I can tell you. It
is the male genitalia. As for context, see above quotes.
To the people who swore at me. I find it quite amazing that you used all
sorts of profanity while I used none. It is amazing you canot express
yourselves differently due to ithe brains this group is supposed to
have.
To the person who used many hyphens to spell my name. You are exactly
what is wrong with classical music. You are too dumb or too lazy to look
up information.
Because of this you have no idea what a great performance should sound
like. Usually the "greats" were direct lines from the composers
thmselves if not taught by the composer.
Certain people in this newsgroup think they can write to you directly,
without solicitation, and put any sort of writing in front of you on
your e-mail. If this should happen to you and their names are Harper and
Grabowski, I will warn you they are more tough to get rid of than any
plague of the Bible. Mr. Grabowski is about to find out that you cannot
send someone any e-mail he wishes and behave the way he does.
Steve Ginsberg
Chicago, Illinois
John Grabowski
In <5mjgcm$sej$1...@newsd-105.bryant.webtv.net> opu...@webtv.net (stephen
ginsberg) writes:
>
>Dear Readers,
>
>This is going to be final response to this thread. First it seems the
>current group of blushing school girls do not know the roots of the
>expression something "sucks" it is not sucking lemons I can tell you.
It
>is the male genitalia. As for context, see above quotes.
>
>To the people who swore at me. I find it quite amazing that you used
all
>sorts of profanity while I used none. It is amazing you canot express
>yourselves differently due to ithe brains this group is supposed to
>have.
>
>To the person who used many hyphens to spell my name. You are exactly
>what is wrong with classical music. You are too dumb or too lazy to
look
>up information.
>Because of this you have no idea what a great performance should sound
>like. Usually the "greats" were direct lines from the composers
>thmselves if not taught by the composer.
>
>Certain people in this newsgroup think they can write to you directly,
>without solicitation
You can.
>Mr. Grabowski is about to find out that you cannot
>send someone any e-mail he wishes and behave the way he does.
>
>Steve Ginsberg
>Chicago, Illinois
Mr. Grabowski is trembling.
John Grabowski
In <5mjgcm$sej$1...@newsd-105.bryant.webtv.net> opu...@webtv.net (stephen
ginsberg) writes:
>
>Dear Readers,
>
>This is going to be final response to this thread.
Does this mean you're leaving the newsgroup? (We need to know; the
champagne is going flat.)
:-)
Peter Lemken
opu...@webtv.net (stephen ginsberg) wrote:
>Dear Readers,
>
>This is going to be final response to this thread.
Thank god.
>First it seems the
>current group of blushing school girls do not know the roots of the
>expression something "sucks"
Neither am I a blushing schoolgirl, nor would I disguise my knowledge
of the expression "something sucks".
>it is not sucking lemons I can tell you. It
>is the male genitalia. As for context, see above quotes.
Uh huh. By saying "AOL sucks", "Newt Gingrich sucks" or "Stephen
Ginsberg sucks" I am directly implying the physical act of fellatio by
any of the institutions/persons listed above. I see. Thanks for the
fascinating lesson in English; a language that still is a foreign one
to me and I am always happy to learn new things. Thanks again, Steve.
>
>To the people who swore at me. I find it quite amazing that you used all
>sorts of profanity while I used none.
Whoa! "Bad lay", "tone like a buzzsaw" are expressions that - even
after granting you the disadvantage of dyslexia - I still would
closely associate with "profane". But then again, you are the native
speaker, not me.
>It is amazing you canot express
>yourselves differently due to ithe brains this group is supposed to
>have.
>
Calling me a Nazi in e-mail hardly qualifies as being considered
someone with brains.
>To the person who used many hyphens to spell my name. You are exactly
>what is wrong with classical music. You are too dumb or too lazy to look
>up information.
>Because of this you have no idea what a great performance should sound
>like.
You mean like in: "I don't own a score of Beethoven's Op. 111, but I
know when a performer screws up in some left hand passage of the first
movement"?
>Usually the "greats" were direct lines from the composers
>thmselves if not taught by the composer.
Who did you study with then? <Grin>
>Certain people in this newsgroup think they can write to you directly,
>without solicitation, and put any sort of writing in front of you on
>your e-mail. If this should happen to you and their names are Harper and
>Grabowski, I will warn you they are more tough to get rid of than any
>plague of the Bible. Mr. Grabowski is about to find out that you cannot
>send someone any e-mail he wishes and behave the way he does.
How did it strike you, when your last e-mail to me was returned with
the following message "Mail returned - Delivery refused by recipient"?
Does the word "killfile" ring a bell?
>
>Steve Ginsberg
>Chicago, Illinois
>
Have a _very_ nice day - and a good lay _one_ day.
Peter Lemken
Berlin
stephen ginsberg
What the hell.
I will respond one more time.
John te reason the Champaign went flat is because you are too cheap to
buy anything $2.99/bottle.
My teacher was S.Layne Emery. Teacher: R. Ganz. Bigger girn.
One does not need to know what the score is to know how the score should
read. You know the story bout Toscanini who read over a score by Verdi.
Toscanini knew there should be a ritard in the score. He wondered why it
was not there. Trembling, he saw Verdi about the matter. Verdi Told
Toscanini that the reason he did not put the ritard in is that any other
conductor would wreck the score. Toscanini, being as sensative as he was
would know there was a ritard there.
Steve Ginsberg
Chicago, Illinois
John F Bakker
John Grabowski (joh...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: In <5mjgcm$sej$1...@newsd-105.bryant.webtv.net> opu...@webtv.net (stephen
: ginsberg) writes:
: >
: >Dear Readers,
: >
: >This is going to be final response to this thread.
: Does this mean you're leaving the newsgroup? (We need to know; the
: champagne is going flat.)
Oh, I do hope he leaves, then it just may be safe to let children on the
internet. One day, I hope he will realize just how asinine and anal he
has been. Then again...if we're gonna have champagne, I think we'd better
wait til after bedtime for the kiddies...:-)
pettit
John Grabowski wrote:
>
> In <5mjgcm$sej$1...@newsd-105.bryant.webtv.net> opu...@webtv.net (stephen
> ginsberg) writes:
> >
> >Dear Readers,
> >
> >This is going to be final response to this thread.
>
> Does this mean you're leaving the newsgroup? (We need to know; the
> champagne is going flat.)
>
I MUST SAY THAT HAVING HERETOFORE CHIEFLY AMUSED MYSELF ON THE INTERNET
FOR BANAL COMMERCIAL REASONS OR TO FURTIVELY GLANCE AT PORNOGRAPHY, I AM
BOTH AMUSED AND GRATIFIED THAT THIS FORUM EXISTS. I HAVE THE LUSCIOUS
VESSELINA KASAROVA ON IN THE BACKGROUND AND WILL NOT INTRUDE ON THIS
CURRENT EXCHANGE BUT I MUST SAY THAT, AS A WEB NEOPHYTE, I NEVER CEASE
TO BE AMAZED BY THE INFORMATION AVAILAABLE. I MUST GO FIND A RICHTER
PAGE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THIS WRETCHED NEWS THING WORKS.
Peter Lemken
We all have feared that.
>
>John te reason the Champaign went flat is because you are too cheap to
>buy anything $2.99/bottle.
You of all people accuse someone of being cheap?!
>
>My teacher was S.Layne Emery. Teacher: R. Ganz. Bigger girn.
Never heard of 'em. Must have been pretty bad teachers, otherwise they
would have told you to get a score of the Beethoven sonatas before you
started studying with them.
>
>One does not need to know what the score is to know how the score should
>read.
The quote of the century. Can I use this in my .sig file, Steve?
>Steve Ginsberg
>Chicago, Illinois
Peter Lemken
Berlin
John Grabowski
In <5mn0kf$k...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> jba...@uoguelph.ca (John F
Bakker) writes:
>John Grabowski (joh...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: In <5mjgcm$sej$1...@newsd-105.bryant.webtv.net> opu...@webtv.net
(stephen
>: ginsberg) writes:
>: >
>: >Dear Readers,
>: >
>: >This is going to be final response to this thread.
>
>: Does this mean you're leaving the newsgroup? (We need to know; the
>: champagne is going flat.)
>
the
>internet. One day, I hope he will realize just how asinine and anal he
>has been.
I doubt it, considering this recent posting of his:
One does not need to know what the score is to know how the
score should read.
I guess he works for the Musicians Psychic Network. I wonder why the
likes of Jonathan Del Mar and Barry Cooper waste their time
investigating old scores. They should just ask Buddha here.
>Then again...if we're gonna have champagne, I think we'd better
>wait til after bedtime for the kiddies...:-)
And invite Anne-Sophie to the party! :-)
John
John Grabowski
In <5mokt6$1...@usenet77.supernews.com> Peter Lemken <Ple...@bln.de>
writes:
>>One does not need to know what the score is to know how the score
should
>>read.
>
>The quote of the century. Can I use this in my .sig file, Steve?
>
>
>>Steve Ginsberg
>>Chicago, Illinois
>
>Peter Lemken
>Berlin
I only hope the score printers don't find this out...could put a lot of
people out of business. Why bother with the printed page?
John
Lawrence Eckerling
Geoffrey Decker wrote:
> >Yes, I heard from a very fine violinist friend that these Brahms Sonatas
> >were excellent, excellent, excellent! He claimed it to be one of the very
> >best recitals he had ever seen in spite of pianist Lambert Orkis. It's
> >too bad she doesn't have someone like Radu Lupu accompanying
> >her................
My other part of my "review" of that recital, was I have never, ever
heard better piano playing in my life, than Lambert Orkis accompanying
Mutter in that Chicago recital. He is a chamber musician/pianist of the
highest order. Perfect balancing (both between the piano and the
violinist, and even more impressively within the piano instrument
itself). Dont believe what you read. Use your ears!
Lawrence Eckerling
M. Leigh
pettit <pet...@ibm.net> wrote in article <338F3D...@ibm.net>...
> John Grabowski wrote:
> >
> > In <5mjgcm$sej$1...@newsd-105.bryant.webtv.net> opu...@webtv.net (stephen
> > ginsberg) writes:
> > >
> > >Dear Readers,
> > >
> > >This is going to be final response to this thread.
> >
> > Does this mean you're leaving the newsgroup? (We need to know; the
> > champagne is going flat.)
> >
> > :-)
> I MUST SAY THAT HAVING HERETOFORE CHIEFLY AMUSED MYSELF ON THE INTERNET
> FOR BANAL COMMERCIAL REASONS OR TO FURTIVELY GLANCE AT PORNOGRAPHY, I AM
> BOTH AMUSED AND GRATIFIED THAT THIS FORUM EXISTS. I HAVE THE LUSCIOUS
> VESSELINA KASAROVA ON IN THE BACKGROUND AND WILL NOT INTRUDE ON THIS
> CURRENT EXCHANGE BUT I MUST SAY THAT, AS A WEB NEOPHYTE, I NEVER CEASE
> TO BE AMAZED BY THE INFORMATION AVAILAABLE. I MUST GO FIND A RICHTER
> PAGE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THIS WRETCHED NEWS THING WORKS.
>
Lesson one.
It's very rude to write your message in capital letters!
John Grabowski
In <01bc7041$aa5343e0$3e82b0c2@default> "M. Leigh"
That's okay...I don't think anyone really understood exactly what he
was yaddayaddaing about, anyway. ;-)
Neophyte indeed.
John
John F Bakker
: >> > :-)
: >> I MUST SAY THAT HAVING HERETOFORE CHIEFLY AMUSED MYSELF ON THE
: INTERNET
: >> FOR BANAL COMMERCIAL REASONS OR TO FURTIVELY GLANCE AT PORNOGRAPHY,
: I AM
: >> BOTH AMUSED AND GRATIFIED THAT THIS FORUM EXISTS. I HAVE THE
: LUSCIOUS
: >> VESSELINA KASAROVA ON IN THE BACKGROUND AND WILL NOT INTRUDE ON THIS
: >> CURRENT EXCHANGE BUT I MUST SAY THAT, AS A WEB NEOPHYTE, I NEVER
: CEASE
: >> TO BE AMAZED BY THE INFORMATION AVAILAABLE. I MUST GO FIND A RICHTER
: >> PAGE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THIS WRETCHED NEWS THING WORKS.
: >>
: >
: >Lesson one.
: >
: >It's very rude to write your message in capital letters!
: That's okay...I don't think anyone really understood exactly what he
: was yaddayaddaing about, anyway. ;-)
: Neophyte indeed.
We'll have to forgive him...it's hard to turn off the CAPS lock when he's
only typing with one hand...
M. Leigh
John Grabowski <joh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5n461d$f...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com>...
> In <01bc7041$aa5343e0$3e82b0c2@default> "M. Leigh"
> <le...@innotts.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >pettit <pet...@ibm.net> wrote in article <338F3D...@ibm.net>...
> >> John Grabowski wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In <5mjgcm$sej$1...@newsd-105.bryant.webtv.net> opu...@webtv.net
> (stephen
> >> > ginsberg) writes:
> >> > >
> >> > >Dear Readers,
> >> > >
> >> > >This is going to be final response to this thread.
> >> >
> >> > Does this mean you're leaving the newsgroup? (We need to know;
> the
> >> > champagne is going flat.)
> >> >
> >> > :-)
> >> I MUST SAY THAT HAVING HERETOFORE CHIEFLY AMUSED MYSELF ON THE
> INTERNET
> >> FOR BANAL COMMERCIAL REASONS OR TO FURTIVELY GLANCE AT PORNOGRAPHY,
> I AM
> >> BOTH AMUSED AND GRATIFIED THAT THIS FORUM EXISTS. I HAVE THE
> LUSCIOUS
> >> VESSELINA KASAROVA ON IN THE BACKGROUND AND WILL NOT INTRUDE ON THIS
> >> CURRENT EXCHANGE BUT I MUST SAY THAT, AS A WEB NEOPHYTE, I NEVER
> CEASE
> >> TO BE AMAZED BY THE INFORMATION AVAILAABLE. I MUST GO FIND A RICHTER
> >> PAGE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THIS WRETCHED NEWS THING WORKS.
> >>
> >
> >Lesson one.
> >
> >It's very rude to write your message in capital letters!
>
> That's okay...I don't think anyone really understood exactly what he
> was yaddayaddaing about, anyway. ;-)
>
> Neophyte indeed.
>
>
> John
>
That's a very good point indeed
Mike
jing hong he
In article <3392CD...@mcs.com>, Lawrence Eckerling <lec...@mcs.com> wrote:
>My other part of my "review" of that recital, was I have never, ever
>heard better piano playing in my life, than Lambert Orkis accompanying
>Mutter in that Chicago recital. He is a chamber musician/pianist of the
>highest order. Perfect balancing (both between the piano and the
>violinist, and even more impressively within the piano instrument
>itself). Dont believe what you read. Use your ears!
>
>Lawrence Eckerling
I would second that opinion about Mr. Orkis, a very fine pianist and
scholar. He also had the courtesy of anouncing the encores Miss Mutter
played at that Chicago Recital. What's more satisfying than to finish a
charming evening with the master's lullaby?
Jing He
Sigurd Rindler
>
>Try this to test yourself. Close your eyes and listen every time
>without "a priori" knowledge. If you can identify and recognize the
>artist above 70% of the time, then you have discovered an individual
>artist. Don't cheat now!! :-)
Exactly, but then the most "knowledgable" ones will realize that
"Mutter Beer" tastes almost like Budweiser or Lowenbrau...<g>
Ramon Khalona
I am tracking CD reissues of Rafael Kubelik's Beethoven cycle
recorded
for DG in the 70s. The orchestras used for the various symphonies
were:
1. London Symphony
2. Contcergebouw Orchestra Amsterdam
3. Berlin Philharmonic
4. Israel Philharmonic
5. Boston Symphony
6. Orchestre de Paris
7. Vienna Philharmonic
8. Clevelann Orchestra
9. Bavarian Radio Symphony (w. Donath, Berganza, Ochman & Stewart)
So far I have found reissues of No. 3 (+ Leonore Overture No. 3
with
Bohm and the Staatskapelle Dresden, on Belart-Karussel 450 037-2)
and
Nos. 5 & 7 (also on Belart-Karussel 450 038-2).
I have also found a different 9th, also
with the BRSO (w. Donath, Fassbaender, Laubenthal & Sotin on Orfeo
C 207 891 B),
a digital live recording dating from 1982. This last recording is
one of the best
9ths you'll ever hear and has received a lot of praise in this
group and
elsewhere.
I have also come across (but do not have) VIDEO recordings of
symphonies Nos. 2 and 3 (with the same orchestras as above) from
the
following web sites:
http://www.unitel.classicalmusic.com/ucatalog/concert/69_2.htm
http://www.unitel.classicalmusic.com/ucatalog/concert/69_3.htm
From all of the above, I have the following questions:
* Does anyone know of CD reissues of the remaining ones?
The Belart CDs bear a label "under license from DG". Does Belart
plan
to reissue the remaining ones? Does DG plan to reissue the whole
cycle?
* Do the video recordings (apparently not available in the U.S.,
but
only in PAL format in Europe) correspond to the same versions in
the
cycle or to concert recordings made around the same time?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
Ramon Khalona
Carlsbad, California
Tripletz
I just read through this thread. Woe, a lot of unhappy folks out there
in
cyberspace.
I've only heard a few recordings by ASM, and have no firm opinion of
her
abilities. For what it is worth, she: 1) Is a great looking woman, and 2)
I
detect a certain amount of German chauvinism emanating from Berlin
here to defend her. That is understandable, but given the unfortunate
history
of your country in international relations, I suggest you limit it to
musical
matters only. You have the misfortune to be a member of a country that
probably should never have been allowed to interact with any others on
this
planet for centuries, although I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in
assuming
that you personally had no role in this (my guess is you were born after
WWII).
So you unfortunately need to remain to remain unreasonably polite, because
a lot of us react to ANY sign of German nationalistic feelings with
extreme
apprehension. Sorry if this is grossly unfair, it just can't be helped.
I'll say one thing about Mutter--at least she doesn't sway over the
place like
Nadja... And she also seems to have managed tragedy in her personal
life (her husband, father of her children, died of cancer) with grace and
dignity.
Rich Finegold, M.D.
Chicago, Il
John Grabowski
In <19970611225...@ladder02.news.aol.com> trip...@aol.com
And you happen to be a member of a country that enslaved African people
and mass-murdered the native inhabitants of this continent in the
spirit of "Manifest Destiny." Of course, I'll give you the benefit of
the doubt that you were born after the Emancipation Proclamation and
Wounded Knee.
And you're an M.D? You have higher education? You're supposedly
compassionate? Yeech, scary.
John
Alain DAGHER
Tripletz (trip...@aol.com) wrote:
: For what it is worth, she: 1) Is a great looking woman,
I detect a certain amount of male chauvinism emanating from you. Given
the unfortunate history of your sex in gender relations, I suggest you
limit your comments to musical matters only. You have the misfortune
to be a member of a sex that probably should never have been allowed
to interact with any others on this planet for centuries. Although,
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you never raped, sexually
abused, or discriminated against a woman.
Imbecile.
--
Regards,
"De la musique avant toute chose"
Alain Dagher, M.D.
Montreal Neurological Institute -Paul Verlaine
Bob Harper
trip...@aol.com (Tripletz) writes:
> I just read through this thread. Woe, a lot of unhappy folks out there
> in
> cyberspace.
> I've only heard a few recordings by ASM, and have no firm opinion of
> her
> I
> detect a certain amount of German chauvinism emanating from Berlin
> history
> of your country in international relations, I suggest you limit it to
> musical
> matters only. You have the misfortune to be a member of a country that
> probably should never have been allowed to interact with any others on
> this
> assuming
> that you personally had no role in this (my guess is you were born after
> WWII).
> a lot of us react to ANY sign of German nationalistic feelings with
> extreme
> apprehension. Sorry if this is grossly unfair, it just can't be helped.
> I'll say one thing about Mutter--at least she doesn't sway over the
> place like
> Nadja... And she also seems to have managed tragedy in her personal
> life (her husband, father of her children, died of cancer) with grace and
> dignity.
> Rich Finegold, M.D.
> Chicago, Il
for Stalin (or perhaps that should be the Georgians), the Chinese for Mao, the
Cambodians for Pol Pot, and all the Turks for what happened in Armenia.
On the other hand, we might consider that guilt is an individual matter, and
that those who are, are, and those who aren't, aren't. Dr. Finegold would
surely, and quite properly, react with rage at the suggestion that all Jews are
... whatever, because it would be absolutely unfair and unjust. The same
principle applies to Germans as to any group.
Bob Harper
Tripletz
>>Imbecile<<
I'm considering the source and regarding that as a compliment. For one
thing,
it comes from someone who thinks Boulez latest Mahler recordings are good.
Someone that musically depraved can't have a meaningful viewpoint on much
else in this world. Unless, of course, in Montreal, it isn't possible to
buy Mahler
by a conductor who isn't French--I haven't been there in a few years, and
I seem
to recall that there was a problem with posting street signs in English,
despite the fact that a considerable portion of the population spoke that
language preferentially.
Second, my only comments about Ms. Mutter was that she is beautiful,
and
that she seems to handles her life's challanges well. I didn't think that
was
sexist. I only mentioned her appearance because there were references to
it in the previous posts, and I thought the impliation was that she owed
some of
her success to her appearance. Once the music starts, I don' care what
she looks like. There have been male musicians where the same criticism
has been
stated (remember Eugene Fodor?); acknowleging that a male musician may be
handsome doesn't make me gay, either. Unless, that is, that someone is so
uncorrigably politically correct that they accept the radical feminist
agenda
that all male/female relations are based on rape, domination, etc. I find
anyone who subscribes to such drivel not only repellant, but downright
stupid as well.
It is nice to see the Canadian taxpayers get such a useful service for
their tax dollars that physicians use govt. owned on line time to wax
eloquent about
non-medical matters. Maybe they can think about that they have to
authorize yet
another tax increase to cover provincial health plan budget shortfalls.
Rich
like.
ENagamine
According to a recent Cleveland orchestra broadcast, the entire DG set
has been re-issued in Japan only on CD.
Aloha,
Eric
Christoph Nahr
On 15 Jun 1997 20:47:42 GMT, trip...@aol.com (Tripletz) drivelled in
a way that gives AOL users a bad name. Not worth quoting.
=46YI, in the very same message where you stated that Anne Sophie Mutter
was a beautiful woman you told that German who presented such an
embarassement to you that he should talk only about music on this
newsgroup... and now you wonder why other people would jump on your
remark concerning ASM's looks?
Please take your own advise, keep all your bullshit about German
chauvinists, Canadian taxpayers and good-looking violinists to
yourself and start talking about music.
--=20
Christoph Nahr, Berlin, Germany
chnahr.at.msn.com (replace .at. with @ to reply)
Alain DAGHER
Tripletz (trip...@aol.com) wrote:
: >>Imbecile<<
: I'm considering the source and regarding that as a compliment. For one
: thing,
: it comes from someone who thinks Boulez latest Mahler recordings are good.
This from a fan of Karajan's Mahler.
[...]
: Unless, that is, that someone is so
: uncorrigably politically correct that they accept the radical feminist
: agenda
: that all male/female relations are based on rape, domination, etc. I find
: anyone who subscribes to such drivel not only repellant, but downright
: stupid as well.
Rich, you're great! I quoted your idiotic diatribe essentially
verbatim. I'm glad you agree with me that it was repellant drivel. I
assume everyone else got the joke.
The rest of your comments about Quebec chauvinism and Canadian taxes
are equally wide of the mark. It's as if I replied: "Ah you must be
one of these overpaid American doctors who tried to railroad Clinton's
health care bill." It would be unfair and irrelevant.
Yann HENZEL
Tripletz wrote:
>
> >>Imbecile<<
>
> I'm considering the source and regarding that as a compliment. For one
> thing,
> it comes from someone who thinks Boulez latest Mahler recordings are good.
>
> else in this world.
Hum... do you *really* mean that ?
Unless, of course, in Montreal, it isn't possible to
> buy Mahler
> by a conductor who isn't French--
There isn't a single french conductor in Montreal. Dutoit is Swiz
(spelling ??)
>I haven't been there in a few years, and
> I seem
> to recall that there was a problem with posting street signs in English,
> despite the fact that a considerable portion of the population spoke that
> language preferentially.
>I haven't been there in a few years :
Come bak live here for a while, and then speak about something you know.
I won't spend more time on that, this goes far beyond the limits of what
should be discussed in this newsgroup
Regards
Yann
--
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Centre de Recherche, Hopital Sacre-Coeur
5400 Bd Gouin Ouest
MONTREAL (QC) H4J 1C5
Tel (514) 338 2222 ext : 2501 or 2699
Fax (514) 338 2694
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David Spence
: Hello. Just testing. Please ignore.
John Grabowski
In <33A5CF...@crhsc.umontreal.ca> Yann HENZEL
Yeah, I know...for a guy who said the Germans out there should confine
their typing to matters musical he sure babbles about all sorts of yak
yak. I guess opinions on Hillary's role in Whitewater are coming next!
John
John Grabowski
In <19970615204...@ladder02.news.aol.com> trip...@aol.com
(Tripletz) writes:
>
>Someone that musically depraved can't have a meaningful viewpoint on much
>else in this world.
And then he says *I* make sweeping generalizations...
> Second, my only comments about Ms. Mutter was that she is beautiful,
>and
>that she seems to handles her life's challanges well. I didn't think that
>was
>sexist.
And some of us don't think someone defending a German performer, who
themselves happens to be German, is "nationalist." Again, talk about
sweeping generalizations...
>I only mentioned her appearance because there were references to
>it in the previous posts,
We know this. We're not as dumb as you think we are.
>and I thought the impliation was that she owed
>some of
>her success to her appearance. Once the music starts, I don' care what
>she looks like. There have been male musicians where the same criticism
>has been
>stated (remember Eugene Fodor?); acknowleging that a male musician may be
>handsome doesn't make me gay, either. Unless, that is, that someone is so
>uncorrigably politically correct that they accept the radical feminist
>agenda
>that all male/female relations are based on rape, domination, etc. I find
>anyone who subscribes to such drivel not only repellant, but downright
>stupid as well.
Yeah. I agree. Just the other day, for example, I met someone who seemed
to think that Germans shouldn't rush to the defense of other Germans or
express sentiments of national pride, because their past, in the view
of this person, was based on destruction and genocide. To atone, this
idiot told me, they should sit at their desks with their hands folded
in their laps for 100 years.
Of course, such idiocy expressed after WWI is, to a great extent, what
lead to WWII.
> It is nice to see the Canadian taxpayers get such a useful service
for
>their tax dollars that physicians use govt. owned on line time to wax
>eloquent about
>non-medical matters. Maybe they can think about that they have to
>authorize yet
>another tax increase to cover provincial health plan budget
shortfalls.
Since you are not a Canadian I suggest you confine your discussions to
music only.
John
Jan Arell
In article <5nua97$5p9$1...@news.pacifier.com>, bha...@pacifier.com says...
>
>Wow, what a voice of moderation! While we're at it, let's isolate the
Russians
>for Stalin (or perhaps that should be the Georgians), the Chinese for
Mao, the
>Cambodians for Pol Pot, and all the Turks for what happened in Armenia.
>
YEAH! And the US for Vietnam and Cambodia, UK for half of Africa, France
for the rest of Africa and Sweden for, well, we did take Norway from
Denmark in 1814.
;-) Jan
John Grabowski
Why go that far away? We took the USA from its native inhabitants and
murdered tens of millions of them over a period of 100 years. Put the
rest of them on teeny tiny "reservations."
John
John F Bakker
: yak. I guess opinions on Hillary's role in Whitewater are coming next!
What about Chelsea's role in the JFK assassination?
tong...@ms6.hinet.net
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:40:43 -1000, ENagamine <en...@lava.net> wrote:
>According to a recent Cleveland orchestra broadcast, the entire DG set
>has been re-issued in Japan only on CD.
>
>Aloha,
>
>Eric
DG had re-issued the Beethoven Symphony No.5 on ¡§Basic¡¨series.
JLSEM
There were never tens of millions of "native Americans". Where do these
people get their numbers.....?
John
Richard Altobello
They generally make it up and obviously missed some part or all of
thief americas history lessons.
Deryk Barker
JLSEM (jl...@aol.com) wrote:
: There were never tens of millions of "native Americans". Where do these
: people get their numbers.....?
Well there are approximately 1,000,000 native Canadians right now and
it is well established that their nmumbers still have not recovered
to their peak. Why is 10s of millions so hard to believe?
--
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|Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada | |
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Tripletz
I hereby repudiate my earlier, inexcusable defamation of all germans that
appeared
in this thread. I really don't know what I was thinking. Besides, since
I wrote
it, I've been in a major car accident, had a tree in my backyard felled by
lightning
that then landed on power lines, and blew a bicycle tire that caused me to
crash
into a rose bush. Call it Nibelung's Revenge. Spare me Wotan!
Rich
John Grabowski
In <5oslqb$5je$1...@ccins.camosun.bc.ca> dba...@ccins.camosun.bc.ca
(Deryk Barker) writes:
>
>JLSEM (jl...@aol.com) wrote:
>: There were never tens of millions of "native Americans". Where do
these
>: people get their numbers.....?
>
>Well there are approximately 1,000,000 native Canadians right now and
>it is well established that their nmumbers still have not recovered
>to their peak. Why is 10s of millions so hard to believe?
Actually, I'd said "10 million," and I did have the figure from a book
that quotes a U.S. government source on the subject. (!) I no longer
have the book (it was a book discussing how Rush Limbaugh's "facts" are
rife with errors, and the subject of Native Americans came up), so I
don't remember what the source was. I can't even tell you which
anti-Rush book it was, since I've had several ;-) and don't remember
where I saw that quote. Didn't think, months down the line, I'd need
to remember.
But I think the number is irrelevant anyway. One poster wrote me that
the number of natives was 600,000 at best. I'm astonished that anyone
would think killing even 600,000 people is somehow okay. Would Hitler
be okay if he'd stopped killing Jews at 600,000? 60,000? 6,000?
John
Jon Butler
The size of the pre-contact population is, necessarily, a matter of
estimation. Most historians now believe that in the area NORTH of modern
Mexico, approximately 8-10 million native Americans lived before Columbus
landed.
The decline of this population, sometimes due to warfare but mainly due to
disease, continued into the nineteenth century, when less than one million
native Americans remained.
Anyone interested in this topic might start with a book by the UCLA
historian, Gary B. Nash, Red, White and Black; another source is a book
by Alfred W. Crosby, Jr., The Columbian Exchange: Biological and Cultural
Consequences of 1492.
Christoph Nahr
Hey, it's all right, I'll call back the Valkyries! Hopefully you
haven't been hurt too badly in your impressive series of accidents.
We all enjoy the occasional flame war, it keeps threads from getting
dull...
To tell the truth, I agree that Anne-Sophie Mutter looks great but I
also think she plays very well, judging from my EMI edition of Brahms'
sonatas 1-3 and Franck's A major sonata for violon and piano (Alexis
Weissenberg). Of course studio recordings are always less stressful
and tend to have better results than public performances like the one
on which this thread was started.
--=20
Christoph Nahr, Berlin, Germany
chnahr>>msn.com (replace >> with @ to reply)
Eric Schissel
In article <5ou8ld$k...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>,
John Grabowski <joh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In <5oslqb$5je$1...@ccins.camosun.bc.ca> dba...@ccins.camosun.bc.ca
>(Deryk Barker) writes:
>>Well there are approximately 1,000,000 native Canadians right now and
>>it is well established that their nmumbers still have not recovered
>>to their peak. Why is 10s of millions so hard to believe?
>
>that quotes a U.S. government source on the subject. (!) I no longer
>have the book (it was a book discussing how Rush Limbaugh's "facts" are
>rife with errors, and the subject of Native Americans came up), so I
Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error, produced by FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy in
Reporting, not the anti-immigration group with the same acronym).
Also known as "The Way Things Aren't".
-Eric Schissel
John Grabowski
In <5ovh4d$k...@light.lightlink.com> schi...@light.lightlink.com (Eric
That's one. There have actually been a couple of books on Rush's
errors, and I don't remember which had the Native American statistic.
In fact, thinking back more and more, I'm less sure if it was a Rush
Limbaugh book at all...might have been something else I bought around
that time or sold around that time.
"Reign of Error" was a good book, though... :-)
John
Matt Kennel (Remove 'nospam' to reply)
On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:26:28 GMT, Christoph Nahr <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
:To tell the truth, I agree that Anne-Sophie Mutter looks great but I
:also think she plays very well, judging from my EMI edition of Brahms'
:sonatas 1-3 and Franck's A major sonata for violon and piano (Alexis
:Weissenberg). Of course studio recordings are always less stressful
:and tend to have better results than public performances like the one
:on which this thread was started.
I've heard her in public (ok it was about '89 or so); she played the
Beethoven concerto much better than her fairly early recording on DG.
It was a great performance. And yeah, all the middle aged rich guys
who are normally dragged there by their society wives woke up and stared
for this one.
(I was in about the 4th or 5th row, and helped along)
:--
:Christoph Nahr, Berlin, Germany
:chnahr>>msn.com (replace >> with @ to reply)
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In <slrn5r8eba...@lyapunov.ucsd.edu>
ken...@nospam.lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel (Remove 'nospam' to
reply)) writes:
>
>On Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:26:28 GMT, Christoph Nahr <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>:To tell the truth, I agree that Anne-Sophie Mutter looks great but I
>:also think she plays very well, judging from my EMI edition of
Brahms'
>:sonatas 1-3 and Franck's A major sonata for violon and piano (Alexis
>:Weissenberg). Of course studio recordings are always less stressful
>:and tend to have better results than public performances like the one
>:on which this thread was started.
>
>I've heard her in public (ok it was about '89 or so); she played the
>Beethoven concerto much better than her fairly early recording on DG.
This is good to know. :-)
John