the norotious 1937 toscanini Magic flute
Brendan R. Wehrung
tell).
Is the sound as bad a alleged?
Brendan
Matthew B. Tepper
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> Currently on clearance for $10 on a label that might be "140 S" (hard to
> tell).
>
> Is the sound as bad a alleged?
It was miked poorly, and all transfers issued thus far have been fairly
poor in terms of frequency response and signal-to-noise ratio. Reportedly
Seth Winner's transfers make it quite listenable (even if nothing can be
done about the balance problem, Julia Osvath, and William Wernigk).
And I suppose the much-hoped-for release of Winner's transfers by Andante
will have to wait for another time, since a trusted friend has received
notification from them via e-mail that the series is in fact postponed.
Sigh. Would be nice if they would update their Website, though.
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Terrymelin
>
>Brendan
Yes. And may have the worst Queen of the Night on records.
Terry Ellsworth
Julian Kreutzer
A shame Rodzinski wasn't conducting that night; he could've put that
pistol to good use -- and would've merited a curtain call for the
effort.
Julian
Matthew B. Tepper
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Shows what happens when a teenaged girl is hyped as an opera "star"....
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
:>Is the sound as bad a alleged?
: Yes. And may have the worst Queen of the Night on records.
Worse than Florence Foster Jenkins?
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Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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It's a bird, it's a plane -- no, it's Mozart. . .
Matthew B. Tepper
> In article <20010619221556...@ng-fm1.aol.com>, Terrymelin
> <terry...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>:>Is the sound as bad a alleged?
>
>: Yes. And may have the worst Queen of the Night on records.
>
> Worse than Florence Foster Jenkins?
FFJ only left us her Act II aria.
Matthew B. Tepper
NBC called "Kristin," about an aspiring singer. Or so I've read; I have
had it on in the background while doing some online stuff. Imagine my
surprise when the title character (played by Broadway performer Kristin
Chenoweth -- imagine, somebody with a Welsh name who can actually sing!)
gets to sing the Queen of the Night's vengeance aria in a restaurant.
Since this is TV, of course, it's a set-up for comedy, apparently for an
argument between the character's best friend and her boyfriend, and of
course since TV viewers have a limited attention span the aria is severely
snipped. But Kristin does make a game go at it, in key even, pretty nearly
hitting those F's only a leetle bit flat. But it's better than a raft of
amateurs, one supposes. Pity about that obnoxious squeaky speaking voice.
Rubberbandgirl83
>
>Terry Ellsworth
Not possible... I just bought a Naxos recording the other day (fairly recent)
and theirs is pretty shocking.
August Helmbright
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> imagine, somebody with a Welsh name who can actually sing!
Well, despite a certain over-hyped and perhaps under-trained if naturally
talented youngster, you are no doubt aware that there is a tremendous vocal
tradition in Wales. My grandmother Hughey (of Welsh ancenstry) could really
sing.
Colin Rosenthal
Yes, it's an odd remark from ducky given that one of the first things
most people think of when they hear the word "Wales" is the Welsh
singing tradition. I mean, what else are the welsh famous for if it's
not hordes of burly miners tramping the countryside terrifying tourists
with their close-harmony singing?
--
Colin Rosenthal
Astrophysics Institute
University of Oslo
Simon Roberts
Leeks
Simon
Brent Miller
<sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote in message
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> In article <20010619221556...@ng-fm1.aol.com>, Terrymelin
<terry...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> :>Is the sound as bad a alleged?
>
> : Yes. And may have the worst Queen of the Night on records.
>
> Worse than Florence Foster Jenkins?
>
Oh come on! It's rollicking good fun! Have you ever had so much fun
groaning in delight?
John Wilson
Tepper) wrote:
>ck...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Brendan R. Wehrung) wrote in
>news:9gor7q$kdf$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca:
>
>> Currently on clearance for $10 on a label that might be "140 S" (hard to
>> tell).
>>
>> Is the sound as bad a alleged?
>
>It was miked poorly, and all transfers issued thus far have been fairly
>poor in terms of frequency response and signal-to-noise ratio. Reportedly
>Seth Winner's transfers make it quite listenable (even if nothing can be
>done about the balance problem, Julia Osvath, and William Wernigk).
>
>And I suppose the much-hoped-for release of Winner's transfers by Andante
>will have to wait for another time, since a trusted friend has received
>notification from them via e-mail that the series is in fact postponed.
>Sigh. Would be nice if they would update their Website, though.
From what I understand all the LP and CD appearances to date stem from
the same poor 1950s transfer of the Selenophone originals. The only
difference between various releases is that they may have more or less
filtering and the EQ might have been played with.
The only new transfers since then have been Seth Winner's and those
can only be heard at the Rogers & Hammerstein Archives of the NYPL
unless Andante comes across.
John
Colin Rosenthal
Right. Terrifying tourists with their close-harmony singing and leeks.
Matthew B. Tepper
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I was JOKING.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:34:20 GMT, oyž@earthlink.net (Matthew B.
Commandos ... ASSEMBLE!
Patrick Turner
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
Patrick
August Helmbright
>
> I was JOKING.
>
I know -- I was just in one of those feisty moods where I couldn't resist
poking back.
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: <sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il> wrote in news:9gp81h$3uk$3...@news.huji.ac.il:
:>:>Is the sound as bad a alleged?
:>: Yes. And may have the worst Queen of the Night on records.
:> Worse than Florence Foster Jenkins?
: FFJ only left us her Act II aria.
Isn't that enough?
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Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You go on playing Bach your way, and I'll go on playing him *his* way."
-- Wanda Landowska
REG
of one of the Wagners? Her point was that as her voice warmed up, it went
up. That would have been something to hear.....from a distance
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Simon Roberts
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> Isn't there a story that Nilsson sang Holle for Dr. Bohm AFTER
a performance
> of one of the Wagners? Her point was that as her voice warmed
up, it went
> up. That would have been something to hear.....from a distance
That's the story. Since there's no recorded evidence that she
has the slightest competence at singing florid music, and is
generally awful in Mozart, the results, if the story is true,
must have been hideous.
Simon
REG
particularly for a voice so large. Two Donna Annas on record I believe, ease
(it's all relative) in Fidelio, and at the twilight of her career, at the
MET centennial gala, a Christine Nillson encore with perfect descending
arpeggios, a capella
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Jon A Conrad
>Ah tu, Simon......
I'm with Simon. I never doubted she could attain the altitude for that
Queen-of-Night story, just the velocity.
>I think there really was some facility in florid music,
If we define "some" with utmost generosity -- it's really minimal.
>particularly for a voice so large.
Lowering standards because of size isn't a concept I buy into. We have
evidence from other sopranos that big voices can move without compromise
if trained to do so. (Or if not, they don't attempt florid music.)
>Two Donna Annas on record I believe,
Both bad.
>ease (it's all relative) in Fidelio,
It's not *that* relative. I would never defend her Fidelio (or her Lady
Macbeth, which I rather like on the whole) on the basis of the florid
bits. Even my violinist roommate in college, who generally ignored my
vocal records, remarked as I played the Fidelio, "She isn't hitting the
notes, is she?"
Jon
Neill Reid
"Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> imagine, somebody with a Welsh name who can actually sing!
Umm - Bryn Terfel?
and can you say Eisteddfod ??? (also consult Flanders and Swann's english
national anthem)
Neill Reid i...@stsci.edu
Matthew B. Tepper
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>
> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:92WX6.21201$aV1.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>> imagine, somebody with a Welsh name who can actually sing!
>
> Umm - Bryn Terfel?
Come on, a nation which can produce Geraint Evans and Gervaise Elwes and
Gwyneth Jones, or even other singers whose names do not begin with the
letter "G," has nothing to worry about from tiny little jokes such as mine.
Big jokes (or at any rate tall and skinny ones like that mediocre moppet),
well, that's another matter now boyo.
> and can you say Eisteddfod ??? (also consult Flanders and Swann's
> english national anthem)
You mean, "Song of Patriotic Prejudice"? "...and sings far too loud, far
too often, and FLAAAAAAAAAT!" (Now THAT applies perfectly to the moppet!)
REG
judgment about facility in fast music ...we do so in terms of performers
on the double bass, for example, all the time....you can't have the same
standards for two types of instruments, and in Nilsson's case the size of
the voice was hors concors. You say that we have evidence of big voices that
cane move without compromise if trained to do so..can you support that with
anyone who has sung the repetoire that Nilsson did over the orchestras she
did? A comparison to someone like Lilli Lehmann or Nemeth isn't apt, because
they were not fighting the same size orchestras, sound volume, or halls. The
late Rita Hunter essayed Norma, and Jane Eaglen is trying, but Hunter didn't
have either the size of voice or the reliable top, and Eaglen is a mess in
terms of how the voice is balanced and knit together. I don't object to your
conclusion about Nilsson, her reputation survives you and me, but I don't
think it's appropriate in vocal music to consider changes in standards for
different vocal endowments to be "lowering" standards (or raising them
artificially, for that matter), and I don't know the basis of the evidence
you suggest but do not present.
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