Stravinsky/Sacre, etc NYP 40's recordings

Lawrence Chalmers

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Feb 6, 2012, 5:03:00 PM2/6/12

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My first Sacre, Firebird was on Columbia ML4880 or 4882 if memory serves
and now restored to the catalogue courtesy of Naxos/MOT. The notes for
the Sacre/Petrouchka lists the recording venue as
Liederkranz Hall NY. Where is or was it and when did Columbia start
recording in the 30th St. Studio?

Lawrence Chalmers

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Feb 6, 2012, 5:31:39 PM2/6/12

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Were the NY Phi recordings of Symphony In Three Movements and Symphony
Of Psalms ever on cd?

Gerard

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Feb 6, 2012, 5:48:04 PM2/6/12

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Lawrence Chalmers <law...@webtv.net> typed:

> Were the NY Phi recordings of Symphony In Three Movements and Symphony
> Of Psalms ever on cd?

Who's the conductor on all those recordings? Stravinsky?

T. Esteban Ayala

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Feb 6, 2012, 6:02:19 PM2/6/12

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On Feb 6, 2:31 pm, law...@webtv.net (Lawrence Chalmers) wrote:
> Were the NY Phi recordings of Symphony In Three Movements and Symphony
> Of Psalms ever on cd?

The Symphony in Three was reissued in a transfers from Pearl and
Andante; I have both. Not familiar with any NYPO recordings of the
Symphony of Psalms, though. It was my understanding that Stravinsky
only made two studio recordings of that work: one in Paris during the
early 1930s, the other the early 1960s CBS recording with the CBC
Symphony.

Frank Berger

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Feb 6, 2012, 6:36:50 PM2/6/12

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ML 4882. April 29. 1940, according to one source. Here's the cover:

http://yaplog.jp/cv/soyes/img/165/img20070207_1_p.jpg

I have this on CD on the VIP records label. Don't recall where or when I
got it.

drh8h

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Feb 6, 2012, 7:56:29 PM2/6/12

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There is a third Stravinsky recording, Columbia ML 4129, c.1949, with
"Columbia Broadcasting Symphony with mixed chorus," never on CD to my
knowledge. Far better than the CBC effort, imho.

T. Esteban Ayala

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Feb 6, 2012, 8:47:21 PM2/6/12

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I'm sure it would be. Never liked that version with the CBC orchestra.
(Off the top of my head my favorites are Markevitch, Gardiner, Järvi,
and Bernstein.) Too bad nobody has bothered to transfer that one.

Mort

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Feb 6, 2012, 9:24:36 PM2/6/12

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Frank Berger wrote:
>
> "Lawrence Chalmers" <law...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:6798-4F3...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
>> My first Sacre, Firebird was on Columbia ML4880 or 4882 if memory serves
>> and now restored to the catalogue courtesy of Naxos/MOT. The notes for
>> the Sacre/Petrouchka lists the recording venue as
>> Liederkranz Hall NY. Where is or was it and when did Columbia start
>> recording in the 30th St. Studio?
>>

Hi,

Liederkranz Hall is, or was, at 111 East 58th Street, in N.Y.C., and
was a German society. The hall was apparently converted into TV studios
at some point. Among the early recordings of note there were the early
Woody Herman Third Herd songs, with their excellent sound.

May I suggest that you can search for these answers quite easily on
line, as I just did for you.

Good listening,

Mort Linder

makropulos

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Feb 6, 2012, 10:02:03 PM2/6/12

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On Feb 6, 9:24 pm, Mort <m...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> Frank Berger wrote:
>
> > "Lawrence Chalmers" <law...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >news:6798-4F3...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
> >> My first Sacre, Firebird was on Columbia ML4880 or 4882 if memory serves
> >> and now restored to the catalogue courtesy of Naxos/MOT. The notes for
> >> the Sacre/Petrouchka lists the recording venue as
> >> Liederkranz Hall NY. Where is or was it and when did Columbia start
> >> recording in the 30th St. Studio?
>
> Hi,
>
> Liederkranz Hall is, or was, at 111 East 58th Street, in N.Y.C., and
> was a German society. The hall was apparently converted into TV studios
> at some point. Among the early recordings of note there were the early
> Woody Herman Third Herd songs, with their excellent sound.
>
> May I suggest that you can search for these answers quite easily on
> line, as I just did for you.
>
> Good listening,
>
> Mort Linder

Yes, tthere's lots online about this important Columbia venue. The
relevant page of David Simons' "Studio Stories" is on google books as
a preview, and very interesting it is too. It appears that Columbia
stopped using Liederkranz for recording in 1949 when it became a TV
studio.

Mark Obert-Thorn

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Feb 6, 2012, 11:05:39 PM2/6/12

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On Feb 6, 10:02 pm, makropulos <makropu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, there's lots online about this important Columbia venue. The

> relevant page of David Simons' "Studio Stories" is on google books as
> a preview, and very interesting it is too. It appears that Columbia
> stopped using Liederkranz for recording in 1949 when it became a TV
> studio.

Victor also used it c.1927-1930 for some operatic sides (e.g. Gigli's
Lucia ensembles) as well as Mengelberg's last New York Philharmonic
recordings (Beethoven First and Eroica and overtures).

Mark O-T

Russ (not Martha)

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Feb 7, 2012, 11:07:44 AM2/7/12

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Didn't Liederkranz have something of a reputation for poor
ventilation, causing some folks to fall asleep during concerts?

Russ (not Martha)

Lawrence Chalmers

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Feb 7, 2012, 11:33:09 AM2/7/12

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Thanks for the replies. I was of course referring to Stravinsky as the
conductor. I should have made that clear. Sorry! was/is there a
Stravinsky mono box recordings on cd?

T. Esteban Ayala

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Feb 7, 2012, 1:21:09 PM2/7/12

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Andante compiled a three volume set of those recordings, comprising
nine CDs; EMI released a double CD set of his French pre-war
recordings back in the early 90s.

Dontait...@aol.com

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Feb 7, 2012, 5:51:04 PM2/7/12

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Columbia's first NY Philharmonic recordings in the 30th Street
Studio (issued ones, at least) were made December 20, 1948. Robert
Casadesus/Charles Munch/NYPSO. The 1948 Musicians' Union recording ban
had just ended. James North's NY Phil. discography gives full
detrails.

Columbia had been recording the NY Philharmonic in Carnegie Hall for
ome years before 1947, but might have used Liederkranz Hall for other
people, perhaps especially Andre Kostelanetz, who expressed his
intense fondness for the sound of Liederkranz Hall in his memoirs.
James North's recent Kostelanetz discography, which I have not seen,
might provide details.

Don Tait

CharmNick

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Feb 10, 2012, 6:48:34 AM2/10/12

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ML 4129 was issued on CD in 1997 by Dante, in its 3-CD box of
Stravinsky's US Columbia recordings 1940-1946.

Nick

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CharmNick

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Feb 10, 2012, 6:52:29 AM2/10/12

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I'm so sorry, I forgot to add the catalogue numbers: LYS 271-273.

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