The Saga of William Barrington-Coupe
Jeffrey Smith
Records), I used to meet many other people in the industry. One of
those was Marcel Rodd, who owned Saga Records, where William
Barrington-Coupe was employed at the time.
He explained to me that when he leased a recording from an Eastern
European source, the contract invariably insisted that he change the
name of the orchestra, conductor and soloists as they were already
under contract to Melodiya, Supraphon or some other label, under their
real names. He then made up some very unlikely names, which were
obviously fake, when he released the recording.
Some very old editions of the 'Penguin Guide' actually carried reviews
of some of these, making note of the 'strange names'.
Although this has no bearing on the present case, it does show the
environment in which W B-C worked.
Jeffrey Smith.
Michael Schaffer
wrote:
That sounds unlikely, seeing that Eastern European states didn't mind
if Western companies licensed recordings from them or came there to
record their orchestras - for good hard Western cash which they always
needed direly. I don't really think any of those orchestras were
really under a contract in the Western sense of the word. Those were
just state owned labels, and in many cases, more or less the only
labels which operated in those countries, I thnk.
Matthew B. Tepper
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For those of us Yanks who may not be able to call them up immediately, what
were some of these "strange names," and are the true identities known for
any of them?
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Jeffrey Smith
<oy兀earthlink.net> wrote:
>Jeffrey Smith <jeffrey...@btinternet.com> appears to have caused the
>following letters to be typed in news:72k2u2p0k499h5ec914kjki52mue5tnj99@
>4ax.com:
>
>> Way back in the 60s, when I had my own 'pop' record label (Solar
>> Records), I used to meet many other people in the industry. One of
>> those was Marcel Rodd, who owned Saga Records, where William
>> Barrington-Coupe was employed at the time.
>>
>> He explained to me that when he leased a recording from an Eastern
>> European source, the contract invariably insisted that he change the
>> name of the orchestra, conductor and soloists as they were already
>> under contract to Melodiya, Supraphon or some other label, under their
>> real names. He then made up some very unlikely names, which were
>> obviously fake, when he released the recording.
>>
>> Some very old editions of the 'Penguin Guide' actually carried reviews
>> of some of these, making note of the 'strange names'.
>>
>> Although this has no bearing on the present case, it does show the
>> environment in which W B-C worked.
>
>For those of us Yanks who may not be able to call them up immediately, what
>were some of these "strange names," and are the true identities known for
>any of them?
I'm afraid, Matthew, that my memory is no better than anyone else's
these days. However, I am obliged to "Viva Tonal", in another post in
this thread, who has identified some of them.
Don't you just love 'Wilhelm Havagesse'?
As to the question of whether or not the real identities were ever
known, I seem to recall one occasion on which Hungariton actually gave
the information to 'Gramophone' and another magazine, now
unfortunately defunct, called 'Records and Recordings'. Apart from
that, all you could do was to 'Havagesse'.
Jeffrey Smith.
John Briggs
Hmm. A little Googling finds this: I wonder if WHB-C took part?
Sat, 11 Dec 2004
BBC Radio 4 10.30
Cut-Price Classics
Who was Wilhelm Havagesse (go on, have a guess!)? Simon Townley goes in
search of the most elusive orchestral conductor of all time. On the way he
discovers the vinyl revolution they forgot to tell you about; how classical
music entrepreneurs (not all of them completely upright citizens) in the
1950s and 60s brought Beethoven and Chopin to Woolworths and petrol-station
forecourts on cheap and cheerful labels such as Fidelio, Saga and Egmont.
With contributions from those who recorded, reviewed and bought them.
Producer Jonathan Calver.
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John Briggs
Christian Bundegaard
wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:55:48 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
>
>
>
> >Jeffrey Smith <jeffreysmit...@btinternet.com> appears to have caused the
I think we need a full evening radio feature on a major station
playing only Enjoyce Hoax, Wilhelm Havagesse, Enver Hoxha et al.
c
jonc...@beeb.net
> Jeffrey Smith wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:55:48 GMT, "Matthew B. Tepper"
>
> >> Jeffrey Smith <jeffreysmit...@btinternet.com> appears to have caused
This programme is repeated next week - BBC Radio 4 - 1130 Thursday
15th. Yes Mr Barrington-Coupe did give us a statement.
Tune in to find out and enjoy - Jon Calver
Jeffrey Smith
This is very interesting, not only as part of the present contoversy,
but also as part of classical recording history.
There are interviews with Harold Moores (or one of his staff), Anthony
Pollard (former owner of Gramophone) and Edward Greenfield (one of the
Penguaphone trio). There is also a suggestion that Ted Perry (formerly
at Saga - then Hyperion) might have been involved in 'name creation'
and a possible solution to the question of identity of Wilhelm
Havagesse.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/cutpriceclassics
Jeffrey Smith.
ne...@thump.org
<jeffrey...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>This is very interesting, not only as part of the present contoversy,
>but also as part of classical recording history.
According to Private Eye's musical correspondent 'Lunctime O'Boulez'
one of these faked recordings had a 10 bar stretch spliced in
BACKWARDS !
Jeffrey Smith
This is actually mentioned in the programme, and played, although I
couldn't spot it. Don't forget it was the name that was fake not the
recording.
Jeffrey Smith.
MrT
Barrington-Coupe has lots of experience in, er, the business.
Curiously, there was no mention of the connection between WB-C and the
Hatto affair. My only disappointment is that Alan M. Watkins was not
invited to give his blarney.
Best regards,
mrt
Jeffrey Smith
I think this was a rerun of a programme previously recorded some years
ago, well before Hattogate came to light.
Jeffrey Smith.
Richard Schultz
: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:12:49 +0000, Jeffrey Smith
: <jeffrey...@btinternet.com> wrote:
When you play it, can you hear someone saying "Turn me on, dead man"?
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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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It's a bird, it's a plane -- no, it's Mozart. . .
elu...@freenet.de
> On 25 Feb, 19:55, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote:> For those of us Yanks who may not be able to call them up immediately, what
> > were some of these "strange names," and are the true identities known for
> > any of them?
>
> Oh..The Usual Crowd..
> 'Fidelity' FDY series (10shillings)
> 2005 Beethoven VC Cincinatti Prom O/Groth
> 2011 Brahms Sym.4 Berlin Ph/Hartfopp
> 2018 R-K Sheherazade Leipzig Pro Mus/Ramifski
> 2027 Berlioz Fantastique Versailles SO/Andre de Lysan
> 2074 Wagner Tristan etc Leipzig PO/Freidlich
> 2036 Mozart Sym 41.EKN Beauz Arts O/Maillot...........
>
> Also, on 'Fidelio' ,you could (possibly) have
> FDY 2036 Mozart 41/EKN issued as ATL 4077 Vienna SO/Klemperer -
> Cologne Pro Mus/Otto Strauss...
> or the Berlioz Fantastique as ATL 4006 - as Zurich Mun. O/Wilhelm
> Havagesse..
> ATL 4014 Dvorak Sym.9 Zurich Mun O/Grautz.
> or maybe you'd fancy Tchaikovsky PC1 played by (??)MariusUbendorf/
> Munich SO/Wilhelm Havagesse on ATL 4016
>
> To mention but a few celebreties...
> .
Saw this thread only now. There are two "Ubendorff" recordings in my
collection of such LPs
Fidelio ATL 4016 Tchaikovksy PC 1 is actually Emil Gilels with the
USSRSO under Samosud from 1947 (also released under correct names on
French Musidisc )
Fidelio ATL 4059 Rachmaninoff PC 2 is actually Marjorie Mithcell ans
some Vienna Orchestra under William Strickland, which recording comes
from the pool of the Record Club label Music Treasures
It seems the name of "Havagesse" is actually "Havagest" which is als o
funny. My only "Havagest" LP has the Rimsky Sheherazade (Fidelio ATL
4006), and that is actually Max Schönherr conducting some Viennese
Orchestra, again from the Music Treasures pool...
EL
Jeffrey Smith
Sorry, Richard, I couldn't even tell it was backwards although I knew
it was.
This rather sounds like the Beatles lead out track which was believed
to say 'I buried Paul' but was, in fact, John Lennon saying 'cranberry
sauce'.
Jeffrey Smith.
Richard Schultz
: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:44:47 +0000 (UTC), sch...@mail.biu.ack.il
:>: According to Private Eye's musical correspondent 'Lunctime O'Boulez'
:>: one of these faked recordings had a 10 bar stretch spliced in BACKWARDS !
:>When you play it, can you hear someone saying "Turn me on, dead man"?
: Sorry, Richard, I couldn't even tell it was backwards although I knew
: it was.
:
: This rather sounds like the Beatles lead out track which was believed
: to say 'I buried Paul' but was, in fact, John Lennon saying 'cranberry
: sauce'.
No! Really?
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Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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