Fricsay's 1958 Eroica
L'Esattore
I just fell in love with Fricsay's Eroica. I'm talking about the 1958 DG's
recording with Berliner Philharmoniker. I found it on youtube and I
discovered that the 1958 DG recording is not available on cd.
What a shame! I think it's one of the greatest Eroica ever recorded.
I've recently bought Fricsay's edition from the "Great Conductors of the
Century" series and I've found a good live Eroica, so different from the
1958 one! The live recording is from 1961 and is really slow (on the other
hand the 1958 is considerably fast for that decade), but IMHO it has an
incredible Funeral March. IMHO a profound Eroica.
So, the question is, does someone have the 1958 Berliner Philharmoniker
recording? I'd really like to listen to that recording in good quality!
Thank you.
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Tom Deacon
> Hi all,
> I just fell in love with Fricsay's Eroica. I'm talking about the 1958 DG's
> recording with Berliner Philharmoniker. I found it on youtube and I
> discovered that the 1958 DG recording is not available on cd.
Have you checked the Fricsay box from DG?
Or in Japan. They released a complete Fricsay edition many years ago.
Perhaps it is still available there.
TD
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Frank Berger
> Hi all,
> I just fell in love with Fricsay's Eroica. I'm talking about the 1958
> DG's recording with Berliner Philharmoniker. I found it on youtube
> and I discovered that the 1958 DG recording is not available on cd.
> What a shame! I think it's one of the greatest Eroica ever recorded.
> I've recently bought Fricsay's edition from the "Great Conductors of
> the Century" series and I've found a good live Eroica, so different
> from the 1958 one! The live recording is from 1961 and is really slow
> (on the other hand the 1958 is considerably fast for that decade),
> but IMHO it has an incredible Funeral March. IMHO a profound Eroica.
>
> So, the question is, does someone have the 1958 Berliner
> Philharmoniker recording? I'd really like to listen to that recording
> in good quality!
>
> Thank you.
Here it is at HMV Japan. I have it, so I know it's the 1958 recording.
Eric Grunin
The missing link: http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/459971
Fairly cheap, too.
Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica
Frank Berger
William Sommerwerck
"Eroica" were exceptional.
Benoit D
>Here it is at HMV Japan. I have it, so I know it's the 1958 recording.
It's also available from Europe, in the DG "Double" French series:
http://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00004VBVD/
along with Symphonies no. 5, 7 & 8.
--
Benoit D
3Bs
wrote:
> Given how great his "Fantastique" is, I wouldn't be surprised if his
> "Eroica" were exceptional.
Fricsay has a Fantastique? What label?
L'Esattore
> Here it is at HMV Japan. I have it, so I know it's the 1958 recording.
Thank you.
I can't buy it now, but I will as soon as possible.
I'm wondering if someone put it online, the recording (made 51 years ago)
should be copyright-free.
William Sommerwerck
>> if his "Eroica" were exceptional.
> Fricsay has a Fantastique? What label?
Forgive me. I should have double-checked. It's Freccia, on Chesky. But I got
the first two letters right! Sorry about that.
Tom Deacon
> *Frank Berger* ha scritto:
>
>> Here it is at HMV Japan. I have it, so I know it's the 1958 recording.
>
> Thank you.
> I can't buy it now, but I will as soon as possible.
> I'm wondering if someone put it online, the recording (made 51 years ago)
> should be copyright-free.
Now you want it for free???
I thought Tepper was the cheapskate here.
TD
L'Esattore
> Now you want it for free???
What a crime!
No. I don't want it for free like I never wanted for free anyone of my
hundreds of discs. I've just bought too many discs for this month, I've
just bought Lucerne Festival tickets for August and I'd like to listen to
it before next month.
Is it a crime?
No, I don't think so.
> I thought Tepper was the cheapskate here.
I don't read everyday this ng, I can't imagine what you're talking about.
However, thanks for the info.
Bye.
Simon Roberts
says...
Based on that SF I would like to hear a Freccia Eroica too (is there such a
thing?)!
Simon
td
William Sommerwerck
>> But I got the first two letters right! Sorry about that.
> Based on that SF I would like to hear a Freccia Eroica too (is there
> such a thing?)!
Not that I can easily find.
Frank Berger
L'Esattore wrote:
> *Tom Deacon* ha scritto:
>
>> Now you want it for free???
>
> What a crime!
> No. I don't want it for free like I never wanted for free anyone of my
> hundreds of discs. I've just bought too many discs for this month,
> I've just bought Lucerne Festival tickets for August and I'd like to
> listen to it before next month.
> Is it a crime?
> No, I don't think so.
>
>> I thought Tepper was the cheapskate here.
>
> I don't read everyday this ng, I can't imagine what you're talking
> about.
>
> However, thanks for the info.
> Bye.
I'm pretty sure only a transfer of an LP would be legal, the LP being
"fixed" over 50 years ago. Deacon, however, doesn't care about what's
legal, he has is only moral code on these things.
Frank Berger
own
Tom Deacon
> *Tom Deacon* ha scritto:
>
>> Now you want it for free???
>
> What a crime!
> No. I don't want it for free like I never wanted for free anyone of my
> hundreds of discs. I've just bought too many discs for this month, I've
> just bought Lucerne Festival tickets for August and I'd like to listen to
> it before next month.
What's the hurry? Are you trying to catch a bus?
> Is it a crime?
Not a crime. I never said it was. Just an indication that you are too
cheap to pay for what you want. On the other hand, it seems you did pay
for your tickets to the Lucerne Festival?
So, priorities, priorities, priorities.
Maybe you need a lesson in budgeting?
TD
Tom Deacon
I fight on both fronts, Frank.
TD
Tom Deacon
I suppose it would really depend upon WHICH LP you used, Frank, for the
transfer, as copyright is supposed to depend upon the version used, and
not on the original mastertape. CD transfers seem to generate a new
copyright. At least that is what some are claiming. I don't know if it
is true or not.
TD
Benoit D
>I'm pretty sure only a transfer of an LP would be legal, the LP being
>"fixed" over 50 years ago.
Some are claiming the contrary, here in Europe. For example the web
site of SPPF (Soci�t� civile des Producteurs de Phonogrammes en
France) says:
http://www.sppf.com/questions.php?rub=2
(Sorry, I've not found the English version.)
But I've never read any judicial decision in such a case.
--
Benoit D
Frank Berger
I can almost, but not quite, make sense of this. (4 years of French, 45-50
years ago).
U.S. law is more complicated, according to this, from Wikipedia (not the
ultimate authority, I know):
The Conventions (Art. 14 Rome; Art. 4 Geneva) set a minimum term of
protection of producers' rights of twenty years from the end of the year in
which the phonogram was first published (or from its creation for
unpublished recordings): the TRIPS Agreement (Art. 14.5) extended this
minimum to fifty years from the end of the year in which the recording was
made. The term of protection in the European Union is fifty years from the
end of the year in which the phonogram was first published, or from the end
of the year of its creation for unpublished recordings (Art. 3(2), Directive
93/98/EEC). For phonograms recorded in the United States the situation is
more complicated:
a.. recordings made before 1972-02-15: these are covered by state, not
federal, copyright law, although all rights will end on 2067-02-15 at the
latest [17 U.S.C. �301(c)];
b.. recordings made between 1972-02-15 and 1977-12-31 and published:
ninety-five years from the date of publication [17 U.S.C. �303(a)];
c.. recordings made and published on or after 1978-01-01: ninety-five
years after the date of recording if the recording was made "for hire",
seventy years after the death of the producer otherwise [17 U.S.C. �302(a),
(c)];
d.. recordings made on or after 1972-02-15 and unpublished: 120 years
after the date of recording if the recording was made "for hire", seventy
years after the death of the producer otherwise [17 U.S.C. �302(a),
(c)].[11]
One wonders if I, lving in Texas, upload a transfer fro a pre 1972-02-15 LP
to Symphonyshare, and you living in, say, California download it, does Texas
law apply to me and California law to you?
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Eric Grunin
Ah, thanks -- that's the one I have. Should have thought to search for
it.
Regards,
Eric Grunin
www.grunin.com/eroica
Curt Clarkson
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>> Like Santa, Aunt Jemima and Christianity the possibility of
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>> "brainless fucks" I will concede to.
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>> crosspost their way to a diluted consensus. We desperately need to rinse
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>> hairy mammoth and sperm.
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Steve de Mena
> On Jul 6, 10:33 pm, "Frank Berger" <frank.d.ber...@dal.frb.org> wrote:
>> L'Esattore wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just fell in love with Fricsay's Eroica. I'm talking about the 1958
>>> DG's recording with Berliner Philharmoniker. I found it on youtube
>>> and I discovered that the 1958 DG recording is not available on cd.
>>> What a shame! I think it's one of the greatest Eroica ever recorded.
>>> I've recently bought Fricsay's edition from the "Great Conductors of
>>> the Century" series and I've found a good live Eroica, so different
>>> from the 1958 one! The live recording is from 1961 and is really slow
>>> (on the other hand the 1958 is considerably fast for that decade),
>>> but IMHO it has an incredible Funeral March. IMHO a profound Eroica.
>>> So, the question is, does someone have the 1958 Berliner
>>> Philharmoniker recording? I'd really like to listen to that recording
>>> in good quality!
>>> Thank you.
>> Here it is at HMV Japan. I have it, so I know it's the 1958 recording.
>
>
> Fairly cheap, too.
>
> Regards,
> Eric Grunin
> www.grunin.com/eroica
I got this DG Japan CD yesterday, Also a couple of other Fricsays
from the same series (Beethoven 5/7, Tchaikovsky 5,Serenade for
Strings). Enjoyed the Eroica immensely, 5 and 7 took me a little
awhile to warm too but after the awhile the slow initial tempos seemed
just right for his overall interpretation of the works. It's like I
felt he knew where he was going to end up and carefully designed the
flow of the whole work from the end to the beginning. Have actually
spent a lot of the weekend listening to other Fricsay recordings I had
but had not listened to (DG Original Masters box set, etc.)
Steve
Steve
BrianK
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is off-topic but no moreso than some other posts. A friend once
told me that Ferenc Fricsay could play practically every instrument of
the orchestra and in rehearsals often did, to indicate to players how
he wanted passages played. Does anyone know whether this is true?
Brian K
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> I got this DG Japan CD yesterday, Also a couple of other Fricsays from the
> same series (Beethoven 5/7, Tchaikovsky 5, Serenade for Strings). Enjoyed
> the Eroica immensely, 5 and 7 took me a little awhile to warm too but after
> the awhile the slow initial tempos seemed just right for his overall
> interpretation of the works. It's like I felt he knew where he was going
> to end up and carefully designed the flow of the whole work from the end to
> the beginning. Have actually spent a lot of the weekend listening to other
> Fricsay recordings I had but had not listened to (DG Original Masters box
> set, etc.)
Do you have any editions of the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with Menuhin?
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> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:y5GdndXB7aam3_nX...@giganews.com:
>
>> I got this DG Japan CD yesterday, Also a couple of other Fricsays from the
>> same series (Beethoven 5/7, Tchaikovsky 5, Serenade for Strings). Enjoyed
>> the Eroica immensely, 5 and 7 took me a little awhile to warm too but after
>> the awhile the slow initial tempos seemed just right for his overall
>> interpretation of the works. It's like I felt he knew where he was going
>> to end up and carefully designed the flow of the whole work from the end to
>> the beginning. Have actually spent a lot of the weekend listening to other
>> Fricsay recordings I had but had not listened to (DG Original Masters box
>> set, etc.)
>
> Do you have any editions of the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with Menuhin?
No. Is that a recommendation? If so, I'll look for it.
Steve
Matthew�B.�Tepper
I don't know the recording, so I can't legitimately recommend it, but I
read once that Menuhin was very pleased with it. Apparently he and Fricsay
performed it all over postwar Germany and were greatly applauded. Whether
the recording captures any of this, I'm not aware. I guess I was really
looking for your opinion, if you were familiar with it.
Steve de Mena
> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:CtKdnXaQ5Z22IfnX...@giganews.com:
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>> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
>>> following letters to be typed in
>>> news:y5GdndXB7aam3_nX...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> I got this DG Japan CD yesterday, Also a couple of other Fricsays from
>>>> the same series (Beethoven 5/7, Tchaikovsky 5, Serenade for Strings).
>>>> Enjoyed the Eroica immensely, 5 and 7 took me a little awhile to warm
>>>> too but after the awhile the slow initial tempos seemed just right for
>>>> his overall interpretation of the works. It's like I felt he knew
>>>> where he was going to end up and carefully designed the flow of the
>>>> whole work from the end to the beginning. Have actually spent a lot of
>>>> the weekend listening to other Fricsay recordings I had but had not
>>>> listened to (DG Original Masters box set, etc.)
>>> Do you have any editions of the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with
>>> Menuhin?
>> No. Is that a recommendation? If so, I'll look for it.
>
> I don't know the recording, so I can't legitimately recommend it, but I
> read once that Menuhin was very pleased with it. Apparently he and Fricsay
> performed it all over postwar Germany and were greatly applauded. Whether
> the recording captures any of this, I'm not aware. I guess I was really
> looking for your opinion, if you were familiar with it.
I did manage to listen to it this (the recoring on DG 445 509. Maybe
there are others) afternoon while working and I found the solo playing
too out-of-tune to my liking. I thought that happened to Menuhin
later in his life.
Steve
Johannes Roehl
Apparently Menuhin and Fricsay were great friends during this time, so
several nonmusical circumstances might have contributed to Menuhins
fonds memories. (Menuhin performing in Germany only 5 years or so after
the war was certainly seen as a great gesture of reconciliation, too.)
I don't like the piece anyway, so I doubt I have listened more than once
to that recording. But the Bartok violin concerto is worth seeking out.
I have both in the ca. 1994 DG Fricsay Memorial edition, but most of
these discs are very hard to find now. There may be an alternative issue
from Japan.
Johannes
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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I think the Bartok Violin Concerto (1938) is with Tibor Varga, not Menuhin.
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> - Show quoted text -
Menuhin is with Furtwaengler on EMI not Fricsay on DG; as MBT says
FF's is with TV on DG.
Gerard
> as MBT says
> FF's is with TV on DG.
Wow! You wrote "says" and "with" using all four characters.
Johannes Roehl
Sure, I didn't mean that it was with Menuhin, but that it was from in
the same edition, sorry for the confusion. (I had remembered wrongfully
that they were on the same disc, though. The Tchaikovsky comes with a
mono Pathetique, the Bartok with the Cantata profana and the Dance Suite).
Johannes
Dontait...@aol.com
> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> > Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
>
> >> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
> >>> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
> >>> following letters to be typed in
<snip>
> >>> Do you have any editions of the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with
> >>> Menuhin?
> >> No. �Is that a recommendation? �If so, I'll look for it.
>
> > I don't know the recording, so I can't legitimately recommend it, but I
> > read once that Menuhin was very pleased with it. �Apparently he and Fricsay
> > performed it all over postwar Germany and were greatly applauded. �Whether
> > the recording captures any of this, I'm not aware. �I guess I was really
> > looking for your opinion, if you were familiar with it.
>
> I did manage to listen to it this (the recoring on DG 445 509. Maybe
> there are others) afternoon while working and I found the solo playing
> too out-of-tune to my liking. �I thought that happened to Menuhin
> later in his life.
>
> Steve
Is DG 445 509 the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with Menuhin and
Fricsay? If so, I imagine it must be one of their live performances,
one of which was issued on a bootleg LP (in good sound) during the
1970s. I bought one but, frustratingly, now can't find it to list any
details. If it is a studio recording, that would be interesting news.
I certainly have never heard of one. Menuhin was under exclusive
contract to RCA Victor and HMV during Fricsay's career.
It is also interesting that there was never a published studio
recording of the Tchaikovsky Concerto with Menuhin. At least one
attempt was made: by HMV on February 17 and 18, 1959, with Sir Adrian
Boult and the Royal Philharmonic. It was never issued, nor were the
three other works they recorded on those days (Tchaikovsky Serenade
Melancolique, both Beethoven Romances).
Finally, Menuhin's technical problems did in fact begin during the
1940s. They fluctuated as the years passed, sometimes much improved,
sometimes worse. The 1950s seem to have been an especially troubled
time for him, and some of his published recordings from that time,
such as the 1955 Sibelius Concerto, reflect it. But he could be
overwhelming in live performance. I heard him regularly in Chicago
during the 1960s and '70s, and many of the performances were
unforgettable. Menuhin playing the Bach Chaconne (from Partita no. 2)
as an encore in Orchestra Hall will remain with me forever.
Don Tait
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>
> - Show quoted text -
No, it's a Berlin RIAS recording, issued under licence by DG and now
Audite:
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I'm pleased you're impressed. TTFN.
Gerard
What do those long words "pleased" and "impressed" mean?
Dontait...@aol.com
> On 21 July, 19:33, Dontaitchic...@aol.com wrote:
> > Fricsay? If so, I imagine it must be one of their live performances,
> > one of which was issued on a bootleg LP (in good sound) during the
> > 1970s. I bought one but, frustratingly, now can't find it to list any
> > details. If
Dontait...@aol.com
> > Fricsay? If so, I imagine it must be one of their live performances,
> > one of which was issued on a bootleg LP (in good sound) during the
> > 1970s. I bought one but, frustratingly, now can't find it to list any
> > details. If it is a studio recording, that would be interesting news.
> > I certainly have never heard of one.
>snip<
> No, it's a Berlin RIAS recording, issued under licence by DG and now
> Audite:
>
> http://www.audite.de/sc.php?cd=95588
Thanks. I suspected that it was live.
Sorry for the last, essentially blank-of-message, post. My mistake.
Don Tait
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> Menuhin is with Furtwaengler on EMI not Fricsay on DG; as MBT says
> FF's is with TV on DG.
These abbreviations are idiotic; who came up with them? Actually, there are
no fewer than six of the Bartok 1938 Concerto with Menuhin: three (!) with
Dorati (Dallas 1946, Minneapolis 1957, and New Philharmonia 1965), the well-
known Furtw�ngler (Philharmonia 1953), as well as two issued live ones,
Ansermet (OSR 1947) and Reiner (CSO 1957).
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Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> It is also interesting that there was never a published studio
> recording of the Tchaikovsky Concerto with Menuhin. At least one
> attempt was made: by HMV on February 17 and 18, 1959, with Sir Adrian
> Boult and the Royal Philharmonic. It was never issued, nor were the
> three other works they recorded on those days (Tchaikovsky Serenade
> Melancolique, both Beethoven Romances).
You must have missed seeing this release:
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=73841
Only one of the Romances, though.
A N Other1
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> > Menuhin is with Furtwaengler on EMI not Fricsay on DG; as MBT says
> > FF's is with TV on DG.
>
> These abbreviations are idiotic; who came up with them?
I could not resist the temptation.......
Seriously though, Menuhin/Furtwaengler is rather fine I think.
Fricsay did record a complete Beethoven cycle with Berlin RIAS in the
early 50s but all tapes apart from the 7th and 8th were wiped and
reused.
Kip Williams
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>
>> Menuhin is with Furtwaengler on EMI not Fricsay on DG; as MBT says
>> FF's is with TV on DG.
>
> These abbreviations are idiotic; who came up with them?
I hear it's Cs to slip an R the D in S.
K W
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> On 21 July, 21:01, "Matthew�B.�Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> A N Other1 <another12...@hotmail.co.uk> appears to have caused the
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>> > Menuhin is with Furtwaengler on EMI not Fricsay on DG; as MBT says
>> > FF's is with TV on DG.
>>
>> These abbreviations are idiotic; who came up with them? �
>
> I could not resist the temptation.......
>
> Seriously though, Menuhin/Furtwaengler is rather fine I think.
>
> Fricsay did record a complete Beethoven cycle with Berlin RIAS in the
> early 50s but all tapes apart from the 7th and 8th were wiped and reused.
Must've been the same guy who wiped NASA's tapes of the Apollo 11 mission.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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Always ready with a S remark, are you?
Kip Williams
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>> early 50s but all tapes apart from the 7th and 8th were wiped and reused.
>
> Must've been the same guy who wiped NASA's tapes of the Apollo 11 mission.
Or all the old Tonight show tapes.
Or directed that the cels with classic Warner Brothers cartoon art on
them should be washed off and re-used.
Same guy.
Kip W
Steve de Mena
> On Jul 20, 8:00�pm, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
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>>>> Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>>>> Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
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>
> <snip>
>
>>>>> Do you have any editions of the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with
>>>>> Menuhin?
>>>> No. �Is that a recommendation? �If so, I'll look for it.
>>> I don't know the recording, so I can't legitimately recommend it, but I
>>> read once that Menuhin was very pleased with it. �Apparently he and Fricsay
>>> performed it all over postwar Germany and were greatly applauded. �Whether
>>> the recording captures any of this, I'm not aware. �I guess I was really
>>> looking for your opinion, if you were familiar with it.
>> I did manage to listen to it this (the recoring on DG 445 509. Maybe
>> there are others) afternoon while working and I found the solo playing
>> too out-of-tune to my liking. �I thought that happened to Menuhin
>> later in his life.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Is DG 445 509 the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with Menuhin and
> Fricsay?
It's actually 445 409. Coupled with the 1953 Tchaikovsky 6th.
I believe the Concerto is also on a single disk DG Menuhin memorial CD
coupled with some of the Beethoven Sonatas with Kempff.
Thanks.
Steev
Steve de Mena
Oh no.... :(
Steve
Steve de Mena
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>> On 21 July, 21:01, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>>> Menuhin is with Furtwaengler on EMI not Fricsay on DG; as MBT says
>>>> FF's is with TV on DG.
>>> These abbreviations are idiotic; who came up with them?
>> I could not resist the temptation.......
>>
>> Seriously though, Menuhin/Furtwaengler is rather fine I think.
>>
>> Fricsay did record a complete Beethoven cycle with Berlin RIAS in the
>> early 50s but all tapes apart from the 7th and 8th were wiped and reused.
>
> Must've been the same guy who wiped NASA's tapes of the Apollo 11 mission.
>
I thought the Apollo 11 tapes were lost, not wiped.
Steve
Johannes Roehl
Where did you get this information?
Sounds like a pity, but not terribly likely as there are quite a few
RIAS tapes from that time that were preserved and later issued as LPs
oder CDs...
A related question: Audite has a Rossini Stabat Mater with Fricsay; is
that the same as the one that was available on DG for a few seconds? Or
another one? Does anyone know how they compare?
Johannes
A N Other1
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> - Show quoted text -
My source is the booklet for Audite's Furtwaengler box. I am inclined
to believe that information as they do seem to me to be quite clued
up. Very few WF concerts were wiped; they are also itemised in the
booklet.
Benoit D
>A related question: Audite has a Rossini Stabat Mater with Fricsay; is
>that the same as the one that was available on DG for a few seconds? Or
>another one? Does anyone know how they compare?
DG version is a studio recording (J-C-Kirche, September 16-19, 1954),
wheras Audite has released a "live" (September 21, 1954, according to:
<http://www.audite.de/getfile.php?file=188&ext=pdf>)
IIRC, an other version of this "Stabat Mater" conducted by Fricsay was
released by Ponto some years ago, from Cologne, 1953.
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Benoit
Norman Schwartz
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>> On 21 July, 21:01, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>> > Menuhin is with Furtwaengler on EMI not Fricsay on DG; as MBT says
>>> > FF's is with TV on DG.
>>>
>>> These abbreviations are idiotic; who came up with them?
>>
>> I could not resist the temptation.......
>>
>> Seriously though, Menuhin/Furtwaengler is rather fine I think.
>>
>> Fricsay did record a complete Beethoven cycle with Berlin RIAS in the
>> early 50s but all tapes apart from the 7th and 8th were wiped and reused.
>
> Must've been the same guy who wiped NASA's tapes of the Apollo 11 mission.
>
Actually it was Rose Mary Woods.
>
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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Wiped and reused.
Steve de Mena
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>>>> On 21 July, 21:01, "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy�@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>> Menuhin is with Furtwaengler on EMI not Fricsay on DG; as MBT says
>>>>>> FF's is with TV on DG.
>>>>> These abbreviations are idiotic; who came up with them?
>>>> I could not resist the temptation.......
>>>>
>>>> Seriously though, Menuhin/Furtwaengler is rather fine I think.
>>>>
>>>> Fricsay did record a complete Beethoven cycle with Berlin RIAS in the
>>>> early 50s but all tapes apart from the 7th and 8th were wiped and reused.
>>> Must've been the same guy who wiped NASA's tapes of the Apollo 11 mission.
>> I thought the Apollo 11 tapes were lost, not wiped.
>
> Wiped and reused.
Nope.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/apollo_tapes.html
Steve
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> > � It is also interesting that there was never a published studio
> > recording of the Tchaikovsky Concerto with Menuhin. At least one
> > attempt was made: by HMV on February 17 and 18, 1959, with Sir Adrian
> > Boult and the Royal Philharmonic. It was never issued, nor were the
> > three other works they recorded on those days (Tchaikovsky Serenade
> > Melancolique, both Beethoven Romances).
>
> You must have missed seeing this release:
>
> http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=73841
>
> Only one of the Romances, though.
Yes, I did miss it. Thanks for advising about it.
I must say that although I collect Menuhin's recordings and he is
probably my favorite violinist despite his occasional and real
technical problems, this isn't very enticing. He recorded the
Beethoven Concerto any number of times, plus the Romances. This sort
of implies that the 1958 Tchaikovsky Concerto with Boult must have
been seriously enough flawed for it to remain unissued.
Don Tait
Dontait...@aol.com
The unissued Menuhin/Boult Tchaikovsky Concerto was made in 1959,
not 1958. My error.
Don Tait
Frank Berger
As I recall, 9 track tapes cost around $25 in those days, so one can
understand their being re-used. After all, how valuable could a few video
recordings be? It's hard to imagine that an organization that could have
made that sort of decision could actually *get* to the moon. Hmmmm.
Steve de Mena
Did you not read the link above? Where does it say they erased or
reused those tapes. It is obvious they endeavored to archive
virtually everything, over 2,000 boxes for Apollo 11 alone. This was
an historic occasion.
Steve
Matthew�B.�Tepper
Did you notice the date on that page? It's nearly three years old. More
recent news reports, like from last week, show NASA admitting that the
tapes were indeed wiped and reused. Sorry.
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSTRE56F5MK20090720?
feedType=RSS&feedName=scienceNews
or http://preview.tinyurl.com/nasadumbclucks
Like the BBC staff member who followed the procedures which had been set
out for him and erased the unique tape of Lipatti playing the "Waldstein."
Steve de Mena
Earlier I read everything I could find on the NASA web site and
couldn't actually find this stated there, which is strange to me. The
news conference from last week is covered here:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/apollo11_conference_prt.htm
There it said the search for the tapes was ongoing.
"A three-year search for these original telemetry tapes was
unsuccessful. A final report on the investigation is expected to be
completed in the near future and will be publicly released at that time. "
Compare this story (from presumably the same press conference) to the
one you linked to:
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/072009_missing_apollo_tapes
Steve
Matthew�B.�Tepper
"Sorry, honey, I accidentally used the tape of our wedding, and recorded
the Big Game over it. Oh, by the way, could I please have a few million
dollars of funding?"
Allen
tape was erased, perhaps it now belongs to a very rich person. Perhaps
it is my banking background, where I caught several embezzlers just by
noticing little discrepancies, that makes me suspicious.
Allen