Vancouver record store -- "The Magic Flute" -- worth a visit?
Xerxes1964
i'm going to head to Sikora, thanks to the suggestions here last week.
serse
Dan Koren
"Xerxes1964" <sers...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> is the "Magic Flute" in Vancouver a
> good store? is it worth a visit?
Yes, definitely.
> i'm going to head to Sikora, thanks
> to the suggestions here last week.
>
Sikora has a bigger stock and more
varied selection. Last time I was
there I walked out with over 60
CD's and LP's.
dk
Van Eyes
> is the "Magic Flute" in Vancouver a good store? is it worth a visit?
>
> i'm going to head to Sikora, thanks to the suggestions here last week.
No to TMF...spend your time downtown. TMF selection is small and
over-priced, and their "previously-enjoyed" offerings are meagre at the
moment.
Suggested itinerary. Visit A & B Sound (Seymour St.)first for best
prices (they currently have the Mompou 4CD set for about $17 in-store),
then Sikora's (West Hastings St.) which has the best selection. Also, if
you have time, visit Virgin (corner of Robson & Burrard Sts.) for some
budget imports, such as Brilliant Classics. With the exception of
promos, I usually find their full-price and mid-price stock is
over-priced.
Regards
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Dan Koren
"Van Eyes" <van...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Not to start a debate, but A&B's classical selection
has been so meager lately that I no longer bother.
I always start at Sikora's, and move on to the
others you mentioned only if my bad carrying
capacity has not been exceeded by the stuff
bought at Sikora's. As to TMF, one does find
little gems there that are not available in
any of the other stores.
YMMV of course.
dk
Max503
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Van Eyes
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> What are on those 4CD set of Mompou, do you know?
http://www.musicweb.uk.net/classrev/2004/Jun04/Mompou_piano.htm
Van Eyes
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> Not to start a debate, but A&B's classical selection
> has been so meager lately that I no longer bother.
>
> I always start at Sikora's, and move on to the
> others you mentioned only if my bad carrying
> capacity has not been exceeded by the stuff
> bought at Sikora's. As to TMF, one does find
> little gems there that are not available in
> any of the other stores.
>
> YMMV of course.
I think for most it's worthwhile suggesting a stop at ABS first. If one
does find something (apart from a list of maybe your more exotic
tastes), it'll be for considerably less money. And the stores are only
three blocks apart.
Re TMF today, I'm confident this establishment would be a total flop for
most. I haven't seen anything in there for atleast two years (gems or
otherwise), that hasn't been available somewhere else for less money.
Well, on second thought, you might find a coupla additional Robert
Silverman CDs.
Tom Deacon
677be513c9674189369...@mygate.mailgate.org, "Van Eyes"
<van...@excite.com> wrote:
A bit of history.
The Magic Flute in its heyday was a great place to buy records. Two guys ran
and owned it. The late Bob Kerr used to shop there, practically keeping the
store in business through his purchases and mentioning it on the air across
the country.
Then the two owners quarrelled and Rod Horsley left to set up Sikora's in
Gastown. Rod was a great guy, something of a soft-spoken hippy type.
American. I think he might have fled the USA during the Viet Nam War, so he
had that in his favour as well. He was something of an athlete, bicyclist, I
seem to remember. Ate right. Married wrong. And then he developed cancer and
died very young, leaving his share of the business - the other share belongs
to the Sikora family, who were a silent partner - to the guys working for
him in the store. They were floored by his generosity. And very touched, of
course.
Meanwhile the Magic Flute also changed hands. David Lemon took it over. Nice
guy too. A go-getter. For me the store is a little out of the way, so I
rarely went there. Or to the other Magic Flute for that matter. Too far from
downtown. Don't know about its stock, but I doubt highly that it could
compete with Sikora's. They may have a few of Bob Silverman's discs. He
lives close by and is probably a friend of the owner.
The boys who took over Sikora's after Rod Horsley's death are really keen to
keep up the shop. They were handed a great business, if not a goldmine,
exactly, and are fighting the good fight against the big box stores such as
A&B Sound around the corner. A&B sells all kinds of music as well as hifi
gear. Sikora's ONLY sells classical, and some jazz, CDs and LPs.
The late Bob Kerr, one of CBC's most respected broadcasters, sold his entire
LP collection (tens of thousands of LPs) to Sikora's while Rod was still
alive, and I am sure that lots of collectors have profited from that sale.
Particularly those who like organ music, which was something of a fetish for
Bob. I have not had the heart to look into it; I knew the man, who was a
close friend of mine at the CBC, and knew what he thought of each and every
one of those recordings. So I keep away from that part of the store. I have
a fond hope that my own collection doesn't end up the same way.
So, for me, at least, Sikora's is the only game in town. First, it has great
stock, always did, always will. The staff is knowledgeable and helpful; they
will get something for you and mail it to you when it comes in at cost.
Thirdly, they are trying to keep a classical music emporium alive. On all
three counts Sikora's takes Top Prize.
TD
Alan Cooper
<deac...@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
<interesting story snipped>
>So, for me, at least, Sikora's is the only game in town. First, it has great
>stock, always did, always will. The staff is knowledgeable and helpful; they
>will get something for you and mail it to you when it comes in at cost.
>Thirdly, they are trying to keep a classical music emporium alive. On all
>three counts Sikora's takes Top Prize.
Thanks for the fascinating post. I can confirm the "knowledgeable and
helpful" bit where Sikora's staff is concerned. I have done business
with them by phone, and their service has been wonderful.
I loved the description of Bob Kerr singlehandedly keeping a record
store in business, and it was interesting to learn what became of his
collection after he died? For some reason, what I remember most
vividly about him (aside from his amazing breadth of musical knwledge)
is the way he fussed over correct pronunciation of words and names.
"Is it Tin-TAY-gull or TIN-tuh-jell?" "Is it GER-in-gas or
Ge-RING-gas?". Whenever he was uncertain, he would spell them out, I
guess for those of us who were taking notes ;-)
AC
graham
"Tom Deacon" <deac...@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No he wasn't!!!!! He was from Red Deer, Alberta!! His brother, Rick, owned
"Fidelio Records" in Calgary.
Had to correct you Tom. I know what the brothers' political leanings
were/are.
Graham
Tom Deacon
<stra...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Then the two owners quarrelled and Rod Horsley left to set up Sikora's in
>> Gastown. Rod was a great guy, something of a soft-spoken hippy type.
>> American.
>
> No he wasn't!!!!! He was from Red Deer, Alberta!! His brother, Rick, owned
> "Fidelio Records" in Calgary.
> Had to correct you Tom. I know what the brothers' political leanings
> were/are.
Now that you mention it, I do remember he had a brother in Calgary who also
operated a record store. Thanks for reminding me.
My only thought was that his accent was pure Amurikan. Maybe that is how
they talk in Calgary?
As for Rod's political leanings, well, somehow I had the impression that
there was much more left he could have leaned. Don't know about the brother.
I can see his wry smile as I write.
TD
G. Homel
> > over-priced, and their "previously-enjoyed" offerings are meagre at the
> > moment.
> >
> > Suggested itinerary. Visit A & B Sound (Seymour St.)first for best
> > prices (they currently have the Mompou 4CD set for about $17 in-store),
> > then Sikora's (West Hastings St.) which has the best selection. Also, if
> > you have time, visit Virgin (corner of Robson & Burrard Sts.) for some
> > budget imports, such as Brilliant Classics. With the exception of
> > promos, I usually find their full-price and mid-price stock is
> > over-priced.
> >
> >
> > Regards
Definitely no to The Magic Flute - it has a very small classical
selection, high prices, and has branched out to pop music. Virgin is
optional at best - high prices and a shrinking selection.
Sikora's is pretty much all you need - its prices are mostly
competitive with A & B's small collection, except on the odd occasion
when A & B has a 10% off sale. Sikora's has a web site for details on
location & hours.
graham
> On 8/13/04 10:42 AM, in article Pr4Tc.94148$M95.50926@pd7tw1no, "graham"
> <stra...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >> Then the two owners quarrelled and Rod Horsley left to set up Sikora's
in
> >> Gastown. Rod was a great guy, something of a soft-spoken hippy type.
> >> American.
> >
> > No he wasn't!!!!! He was from Red Deer, Alberta!! His brother, Rick,
owned
> > "Fidelio Records" in Calgary.
> > Had to correct you Tom. I know what the brothers' political leanings
> > were/are.
>
> Now that you mention it, I do remember he had a brother in Calgary who
also
> operated a record store. Thanks for reminding me.
>
> My only thought was that his accent was pure Amurikan. Maybe that is how
> they talk in Calgary?
You don't tend to hear the central Canadian hoose/house or rate/rite vowel
blend so much in Calgary. I'm not sure if that is murkin influence but
then, the city is growing at a tremendous rate with people moving in from
all parts of Canada. There are probably as many Newfies in Alberta as there
are on the Rock.
>
> As for Rod's political leanings, well, somehow I had the impression that
> there was much more left he could have leaned.
He had a very analytical mind that would see through the cant of any
political party. However, I'm certain that he would never have voted for
the PCs/Reform/Socred bunch.
Graham
Brendan R. Wehrung
I just found a copy a Borders, much to my surprise.
Brendan
--
Van Eyes
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> Sikora's is pretty much all you need - its prices are mostly
> competitive with A & B's small collection, except on the odd occasion
> when A & B has a 10% off sale. Sikora's has a web site for details on
> location & hours.
As much as I like Sikora's selection (not to mention their other
advantages), their prices are not "mostly competitive" with A & B Sound.
Out of respect for Sikora's, I will not list a bunch of ABS prices
illustrating that.
Across the board, ABS are far cheaper than anybody in Canada, and maybe
even the rest of the world.
The ABS 10% sale is just an added bonus...definitely not reason to avoid
the store 'til then. But each to his/her own...I don't care.
graham
I use ABS in Calgary and the guy in charge of classical is very helpful.
However, try and order something not in their data-base and then you see the
value of someone like Sikora. Furthermore, if you have to browse through
the discs to the ear-splitting cacophony of pop coming over the
loudspeakers, a place like Sikora is worth it. Sometimes life isn't all
about seeking the cheapest deal.
Graham
Tom Deacon
<stra...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> As for Rod's political leanings, well, somehow I had the impression that
>> there was much more left he could have leaned.
>
> He had a very analytical mind that would see through the cant of any
> political party. However, I'm certain that he would never have voted for
> the PCs/Reform/Socred bunch.
You got that right!
Oh, and you forgot to add BC Liberal.
TD
Tom Deacon
eb6cd3252d5586e0e33...@mygate.mailgate.org, "Van Eyes"
<van...@excite.com> wrote:
Except, perhaps, if you order something by mail. Then they "sock it to you".
Comparatively, Archambault is the best here. Above a certain price shipping
is free. And also free of sales tax.
A&B may have good prices on the normal Universal/EMI/Warners/BMG stuff,
where their turnover guarantees them a lower purchase price (the old
advantage of Sam the Record Man), but on the less familiar things Sikora's
wins hands down.
TD
Tom Deacon
<stra...@shaw.ca> wrote:
A concept which you might communicate to Tepper.
TD
Van Eyes
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> I use ABS in Calgary and the guy in charge of classical is very helpful.
> However, try and order something not in their data-base and then you see the
> value of someone like Sikora. Furthermore, if you have to browse through
> the discs to the ear-splitting cacophony of pop coming over the
> loudspeakers, a place like Sikora is worth it. Sometimes life isn't all
> about seeking the cheapest deal.
Yep, Graham, in this chain, product mix, floorplans, idiot clerks, etc.,
can vary greatly. I think they've made attempts to improve some
aspects...with perhaps fewer idiots, and secluding when possible, jazz
and classical from the shit stuff. Even so, a coupla weeks ago, an idiot
clerk snuck shit into the jazz and classical section of the Seymour St.,
Vancouver store. That probably won't happen again for a while.
The data base definitely excludes a lot of product--mostly Euro items
that I end up ordering from MDT or Crotchet. The rest I seldom have
difficulty with, using in-store ordering.
I avoid in-store ordering at Sikora's. For Imports that I've wanted,
I've found they either can't order it, or if they can, it'll usually
take forever. Been that route...I choose to use the Internet.
I always try for the best deal, and by using different retailers here
and afar, i'm not doin' too bad.
Van Eyes
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> I just found a copy [Mompou] a Borders, much to my surprise.
Buy it? Like it? I sure do.
Van Eyes
> Except, perhaps, if you order something by mail. Then they "sock it to you".
> Comparatively, Archambault is the best here. Above a certain price shipping
> is free. And also free of sales tax.
>
> A&B may have good prices on the normal Universal/EMI/Warners/BMG stuff,
> where their turnover guarantees them a lower purchase price (the old
> advantage of Sam the Record Man), but on the less familiar things Sikora's
> wins hands down.
The UK m/o's are my online ordering preferences.
Yes, although ABS goes a little deeper than the former majors (heh heh),
ABS isn't for exotics.
graham
made a disparaging remark about WAC Bennett to a storekeeper in BC. He got
quite angry......"The finest man to walk this earth" etc etc. I beat a
hasty retreat;-)
Graham
Van Eyes
> I didn't. It's a contradiction in terms, like most BC politics. I once
> made a disparaging remark about WAC Bennett to a storekeeper in BC. He got
> quite angry......"The finest man to walk this earth" etc etc. I beat a
> hasty retreat;-)
And yuh can't talk 'bout "Wacky" Bennett, without mentioning "Flying
Phil" Gaglardi.
http://www.fact-index.com/p/ph/philip_gaglardi.html
Tom Deacon
<stra...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> "Tom Deacon" <deac...@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BD42C9C2.73A3%deac...@nospam-yahoo.com...
>> On 8/13/04 4:30 PM, in article _x9Tc.97218$J06.36183@pd7tw2no, "graham"
>> <stra...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> As for Rod's political leanings, well, somehow I had the impression
> that
>>>> there was much more left he could have leaned.
>>>
>>> He had a very analytical mind that would see through the cant of any
>>> political party. However, I'm certain that he would never have voted
> for
>>> the PCs/Reform/Socred bunch.
>>
>> You got that right!
>>
>> Oh, and you forgot to add BC Liberal.
>>
> I didn't. It's a contradiction in terms, like most BC politics.
You mean, like BC.
TD
Mr. Mike
>Not to start a debate, but A&B's classical selection
>has been so meager lately that I no longer bother.
Finding anything of interest in the classical section at A&B Sound is a real
crap shoot. Last time they had a 10% off sale (which used to be a 20% off sale
as far as regular-priced stuff was concerned, prior to certain major labels
dropping their prices across the board) I could not find ONE thing that I wanted
there out of a list of half a dozen, which included a couple of mundane items
which any CD store should have stocked.
graham
Graham
Tom Deacon
<stra...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Yeah....but the fruit's good, as is some of the wine.
> Graham
By far the best strawberries I ever ate in my life. But not a reason to live
there, I think.
TD
Mr. Mike
wrote:
>The Magic Flute in its heyday was a great place to buy records. Two guys ran
>and owned it. The late Bob Kerr used to shop there, practically keeping the
>store in business through his purchases and mentioning it on the air across
>the country.
>
>Then the two owners quarrelled and Rod Horsley left to set up Sikora's in
>Gastown. Rod was a great guy, something of a soft-spoken hippy type.
>American. I think he might have fled the USA during the Viet Nam War, so he
>had that in his favour as well. He was something of an athlete, bicyclist, I
>seem to remember. Ate right. Married wrong. And then he developed cancer and
>died very young, leaving his share of the business - the other share belongs
>to the Sikora family, who were a silent partner - to the guys working for
>him in the store. They were floored by his generosity. And very touched, of
>course.
Aren't you confusing Horsley with Roy Sackeroff, who was the other "guy" who ran
the Magic Flute in the early days? >He< died of cancer.
Dick Sikora was far from a silent partner. When the store first opened, he was
the only one who could give a "price" for used LPs and would be found in the
store doing so on a regular basis.
Sikora was a former professor of philosophy from UBC who I was told by someone
was independently wealthy due to some investments in his family (like a shopping
mall or something similar).
Many years ago, prior to his store opening up, I sold Sikora numerous LP records
that I had over-accumulated.
Rodger Whitlock
Same problem here in Victoria. After reading here about the Naxos
recording of Shostakovich's Hamlet music, I went looking for it.
Not in stock. You'd think they'd at least make sure they carried
the full range of the various budget and super-budget labels, but
evidently not.
They seem to get in one copy of every new release on many labels,
but don't restock when new items fly off the shelf.
--
Rodger Whitlock, Victoria, BC, Canada
"Hell, each day I go out and make the universe anew - all over!"
-Carl Ruggles at an advanced age of decrepitude
Tom Deacon
"Mr. Mike" <m...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:29:10 -0400, Tom Deacon <deac...@nospam-yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Magic Flute in its heyday was a great place to buy records. Two guys ran
>> and owned it. The late Bob Kerr used to shop there, practically keeping the
>> store in business through his purchases and mentioning it on the air across
>> the country.
>>
>> Then the two owners quarrelled and Rod Horsley left to set up Sikora's in
>> Gastown. Rod was a great guy, something of a soft-spoken hippy type.
>> American. I think he might have fled the USA during the Viet Nam War, so he
>> had that in his favour as well. He was something of an athlete, bicyclist, I
>> seem to remember. Ate right. Married wrong. And then he developed cancer and
>> died very young, leaving his share of the business - the other share belongs
>> to the Sikora family, who were a silent partner - to the guys working for
>> him in the store. They were floored by his generosity. And very touched, of
>> course.
>
> Aren't you confusing Horsley with Roy Sackeroff, who was the other "guy" who
> ran the Magic Flute in the early days? >He< died of cancer.
I didn't know that Roy had died too. What a shame.
That means that both of the original owners of The Magic Flute are now dead.
> Dick Sikora was far from a silent partner. When the store first opened, he was
> the only one who could give a "price" for used LPs and would be found in the
> store doing so on a regular basis.
>
> Sikora was a former professor of philosophy from UBC who I was told by someone
> was independently wealthy due to some investments in his family (like a
> shopping mall or something similar).
During my years in Vancouver I never set eyes on this gentleman. And I was a
regular, and I do mean regular, shopper at Sikora's.
> Many years ago, prior to his store opening up, I sold Sikora numerous LP
> records that I had over-accumulated.
Sounds as though you were in right at the beginning. When I was there, in
the mid to late eighties, he was nowhere to be seen. Just a name on the
store.
TD
Van Eyes
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> Finding anything of interest in the classical section at A&B Sound is a real
> crap shoot. Last time they had a 10% off sale (which used to be a 20% off sale
> as far as regular-priced stuff was concerned, prior to certain major labels
> dropping their prices across the board) I could not find ONE thing that I wanted
> there out of a list of half a dozen, which included a couple of mundane items
> which any CD store should have stocked.
Sounds like a lot of pissing and moaning to me, Mr. Mike. If you know
anything about Vancouver CM retailers, you'd know that ABS was the ONLY
ONE to reduce prices at all, and they reduced them across the board. You
can't find anything? Try shopping regularly, rather than waiting for an
additional 10% off already great prices. Or, place an order. Isn't that
a genuine idea?
Fact of CM collecting. There is no one perfect retailer. You get what
you can from as many as you like. Simple as that.
Van Eyes
> ....When I was there, in
> the mid to late eighties, he was nowhere to be seen. Just a name on the
> store.
That was my experience, also...from the mid-80's to his passing.
Van Eyes
news:411eacfa...@news.newsguy.com
> Same problem here in Victoria. After reading here about the Naxos
> recording of Shostakovich's Hamlet music, I went looking for it.
> Not in stock. You'd think they'd at least make sure they carried
> the full range of the various budget and super-budget labels, but
> evidently not.
>
> They seem to get in one copy of every new release on many labels,
> but don't restock when new items fly off the shelf.
You wanted to save 10% on a $6.99 CAD Naxos CD? Suggestion...just order
one and pay the $6.99 (versus probably $8.95 CAD elswhere).
ABS Seymour St. has promos all the time on various budget titles, eg
Apex, the recent RCA, Elatus. I've learned to check the store weekly, or
items may be gone for quite a while, and sometimes forever.
More times than not, I've noticed items that I've recently purchased
have been restocked.
Not perfect, but they do okay as one of my sources.
Mr. Mike
>> ....When I was there, in
>> the mid to late eighties, he was nowhere to be seen. Just a name on the
>> store.
>
>That was my experience, also...from the mid-80's to his passing.
Huh? What are you saying, that Sikora is dead too??
Mr. Mike
>Sounds like a lot of pissing and moaning to me, Mr. Mike. If you know
>anything about Vancouver CM retailers, you'd know that ABS was the ONLY
>ONE to reduce prices at all, and they reduced them across the board.
Uh, I have been shopping at A&B Sound since the 1960s when their classical music
selection consisted of a couple of racks of imported Telefunken and DGG LPs in
their store on Granville Street which was mostly devoted to audio equipment.
>You
>can't find anything? Try shopping regularly, rather than waiting for an
>additional 10% off already great prices.
The last time I went downtown to A&B Sound I was totally creeped out by how
slummy the area around the store had become. Since I neither live nor work in
the downtown area, going down to this store to take a chance that the one copy
they get of what I want is there is hardly worth it.
Tom Deacon
b4f8516024e242659fb...@mygate.mailgate.org, "Van Eyes"
<van...@excite.com> wrote:
> "Tom Deacon" <deac...@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BD4449E7.7532%deac...@nospam-yahoo.com
>
>> ....When I was there, in
>> the mid to late eighties, he was nowhere to be seen. Just a name on the
>> store.
>
> That was my experience, also...from the mid-80's to his passing.
Did Mr. Sikora pass away too. That is, you know, whom we were talking of.
TD
Matthew B. Tepper
be typed in news:41vth0tu23j6dvtgq...@4ax.com:
I'm wondering what has happened to Bob Flynn of the Magic Flute I used to
frequent, the one in San Francisco. I imagine he's probably dead now.
--
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Van Eyes
> Did Mr. Sikora pass away too. That is, you know, whom we were talking of.
Pardon me, I was speaking of Horsley. Nor did I ever notice other
involvement, other than Roger and Ed, out front.
Van Eyes
> The last time I went downtown to A&B Sound I was totally creeped out by how
> slummy the area around the store had become. Since I neither live nor work in
> the downtown area, going down to this store to take a chance that the one copy
> they get of what I want is there is hardly worth it.
If I lived in the 'burbs, I wouldn't be making many trips either...to
there, or anywhere else. Better the Internet.
Seymour St. and environs is a cruddy area. From Chinatown through
Gastown, up to Georgia St. A fire helps some, in the areas condo
developers haven't reached yet.
I'm surprised ABS hasn't purchased the empty "Sam's Records" next store
for expansion, which remains an eyesore.
Tom Deacon
8561d8b42089cb92b3d...@mygate.mailgate.org, "Van Eyes"
<van...@excite.com> wrote:
> "Tom Deacon" <deac...@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BD44ED13.758F%deac...@nospam-yahoo.com
>
>> Did Mr. Sikora pass away too. That is, you know, whom we were talking of.
>
> Pardon me, I was speaking of Horsley. Nor did I ever notice other
> involvement, other than Roger and Ed, out front.
Rod was obviously already ill at the time you began to frequent the store.
During my stay in Vancouver, a five-year period from 1984-1985 he was almost
always there. Roger and Ed were not even there then.
TD
Tom Deacon
c9ebb90566c3cb8be19...@mygate.mailgate.org, "Van Eyes"
<van...@excite.com> wrote:
Haven't ventured into that area for some years now. Except for Sikora's, of
course.
The area has always been very tacky, in my experience.
Won't change quickly, I think. And Sikora's must be grateful in some measure
because it guarantees low rents. And we can always hold our noses until we
get safely into the store.
TD