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Maerzendorfer on Scribendum: The Haydn Symphonies
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indr...@gmail.com
Apr 7, 2019, 1:57:51 PM4/7/19
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Hi,
Wanted: Opinions on the Maerzendorfer set that I see coming up for release on Scribendum in May...this complete set is one of the earliest I think of the complete symphonies. Anyone who has heard the LPs...what is the quality of the orchestral playing and the recording? Maerzendorfer was highly regarded as a Haydn specialist in early BBC Building a Library series back in the 70s...the pricing on Presto seems quite attractive...83 GBP plus shipping.
For a long time Haydn House was offering the series in MP3 format so this is a good opportunity to get them on CD. As you can see I am almost convinced that this is a must have but would love to hear other opinions...
Indranil
Kolkata, India
Wanted: Opinions on the Maerzendorfer set that I see coming up for release on Scribendum in May...this complete set is one of the earliest I think of the complete symphonies. Anyone who has heard the LPs...what is the quality of the orchestral playing and the recording? Maerzendorfer was highly regarded as a Haydn specialist in early BBC Building a Library series back in the 70s...the pricing on Presto seems quite attractive...83 GBP plus shipping.
For a long time Haydn House was offering the series in MP3 format so this is a good opportunity to get them on CD. As you can see I am almost convinced that this is a must have but would love to hear other opinions...
Indranil
Kolkata, India
Frank Berger
Apr 7, 2019, 2:20:09 PM4/7/19
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information other than it appears Scribendum did their own transfers
from LP. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
chriskh...@gmail.com
Apr 8, 2019, 1:34:39 AM4/8/19
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indr...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> Wanted: Opinions on the Maerzendorfer set that I see coming up for release on Scribendum in May...this complete set is one of the earliest I think of the complete symphonies.
It's THE earliest...
If you've got the patience to read this
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2018/Mar/Maerzendorfer_Haydn_article.pdf
and this
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2018/Sep/Maerzendorfer_Haydn_II.pdf
you will hopefully be convinced that Maerzendorfer's Haydn is definitely worth hearing
> Hi,
>
> Wanted: Opinions on the Maerzendorfer set that I see coming up for release on Scribendum in May...this complete set is one of the earliest I think of the complete symphonies.
If you've got the patience to read this
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2018/Mar/Maerzendorfer_Haydn_article.pdf
and this
http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2018/Sep/Maerzendorfer_Haydn_II.pdf
you will hopefully be convinced that Maerzendorfer's Haydn is definitely worth hearing
Ricardo Jimenez
Apr 8, 2019, 11:06:13 AM4/8/19
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On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 22:34:36 -0700 (PDT), chriskh...@gmail.com
wrote:
Am I correct than the only complete, one conductor, sets are
Maezendorfer, Dorati, Fischer and Dennis Russell Davies? Are there
any reviews that talk about all four?
wrote:
Maezendorfer, Dorati, Fischer and Dennis Russell Davies? Are there
any reviews that talk about all four?
wkasimer
Apr 8, 2019, 12:08:54 PM4/8/19
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On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 11:06:13 AM UTC-4, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:
> Am I correct than the only complete, one conductor, sets are
> Maezendorfer, Dorati, Fischer and Dennis Russell Davies? Are there
> any reviews that talk about all four?
I believe that you are correct. There's a review of the Davies in Fanfare (James North), largely quite positive, that mentions Fischer often, Dorati occasionally, various other conductors (Goberman, Davis) when appropriate, but I don't believe that there's any mention of Marzendorfer.
> Am I correct than the only complete, one conductor, sets are
> Maezendorfer, Dorati, Fischer and Dennis Russell Davies? Are there
> any reviews that talk about all four?
chriskh...@gmail.com
Apr 8, 2019, 2:23:32 PM4/8/19
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There's a review of the Davies in Fanfare (James North), largely quite positive, that mentions Fischer often, Dorati occasionally, various other conductors (Goberman, Davis) when appropriate, but I don't believe that there's any mention of Marzendorfer.
A study of Decca's publicity as the Dorati LP sets came out shows careful wording that implies but doesn't quite say that it was the first complete cycle. Since the Maerzendorfer was only available in the UK for a matter of months (on Oryx) and not easy to get (I believe) in the USA, the myth has gone largely undenied that Dorati was indeed the first.
meyers...@gmail.com
Apr 8, 2019, 10:04:15 PM4/8/19
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On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 2:23:32 PM UTC-4, chriskh...@gmail.com wrote:
> There's a review of the Davies in Fanfare (James North), largely quite positive, that mentions Fischer often, Dorati occasionally, various other conductors (Goberman, Davis) when appropriate, but I don't believe that there's any mention of Marzendorfer.
>
> A study of Decca's publicity as the Dorati LP sets came out shows careful wording that implies but doesn't quite say that it was the first complete cycle. Since the Maerzendorfer was only available in the UK for a matter of months (on Oryx) and not easy to get (I believe) in the USA, the myth has gone largely undenied that Dorati was indeed the first.
The portions I have heard at Haydn House I really liked - I'm getting the set
> There's a review of the Davies in Fanfare (James North), largely quite positive, that mentions Fischer often, Dorati occasionally, various other conductors (Goberman, Davis) when appropriate, but I don't believe that there's any mention of Marzendorfer.
>
> A study of Decca's publicity as the Dorati LP sets came out shows careful wording that implies but doesn't quite say that it was the first complete cycle. Since the Maerzendorfer was only available in the UK for a matter of months (on Oryx) and not easy to get (I believe) in the USA, the myth has gone largely undenied that Dorati was indeed the first.
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Paul
Apr 12, 2019, 10:40:25 AM4/12/19
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On Thursday, 11 April 2019 05:39:28 UTC+1, Haydn...@comcast.net wrote:
> Thank you, Indrahil. All transferred from 49 lps. The project of just gathering all of them was a very long long and determined undertaking along with the digital tranfer of each LP. Some LPs were a poor quality which delayed the project. it was over 1 1/2 years to search and transfer.
> The website also has audio file excerpts of each of the 107 Haydn Symphonies.
> Here is the website to order:
> http://www.haydnhouse.com/Maerzendorfer%20Haydn.htm
>
> Free shipping. Any shippng charge added will be refunded.
> All at the 256/44.1K standard high quality mp3 files.
>
> Haydn House
Just out of interest, does the Scribendum issue use the Haydn House transfers, i.e. were they licensed to Scribendum? There can't be that many complete sets of the LPs floating around.
> The website also has audio file excerpts of each of the 107 Haydn Symphonies.
> Here is the website to order:
> http://www.haydnhouse.com/Maerzendorfer%20Haydn.htm
>
> Free shipping. Any shippng charge added will be refunded.
> All at the 256/44.1K standard high quality mp3 files.
>
> Haydn House
Just out of interest, does the Scribendum issue use the Haydn House transfers, i.e. were they licensed to Scribendum? There can't be that many complete sets of the LPs floating around.
Randy Lane
Apr 12, 2019, 11:19:04 AM4/12/19
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I got my copy from Japan a month ago, and there is no documentation with the set indicating it was "licensed.
There are many complete sets running around. I have nearly two complete sets myself. I bought one whole on eBay, and pieced the other together over several years. I only lack a second copy of maybe 2 LPs. Have 3 or more copies of a good portion of it.
Frank Berger
Apr 12, 2019, 11:29:33 AM4/12/19
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Scribendum's web site said their release was mastered from vinyl, the
original masters being lost, but I can't find that on their site now.
Neither they nor Haydn House responded to the question whether
Scribendum bought (or stole) HH's transfers.
Alex Brown
Apr 12, 2019, 12:12:22 PM4/12/19
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> This was asked earlier, without a definitive answer. At one point
> Scribendum's web site said their release was mastered from vinyl, the
> original masters being lost, but I can't find that on their site now.
> Neither they nor Haydn House responded to the question whether
> Scribendum bought (or stole) HH's transfers.
Having listened to a lot of samples on the HH website, I have now
> Scribendum's web site said their release was mastered from vinyl, the
> original masters being lost, but I can't find that on their site now.
> Neither they nor Haydn House responded to the question whether
> Scribendum bought (or stole) HH's transfers.
cancelled my pre-order for the Scribendum set. If the performances were
great it would be worth putting up with the poor sound (often the case
in the Goberman set), but to my ears they weren't.
--
- Alex Brown
Frank Berger
Apr 12, 2019, 1:08:52 PM4/12/19
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it is difficult to justify the Maerzondorfer cyle on those grounds
alone. To some though, the historical fact that is the first complete
cycle recorded and that at least some of the individual symphonies were
first recordings will tip the scales in favor of the purchase. I have a
few that I downloaded from somewhere. Symphonyshare, maybe. The sound
did not reduce my enjoyment in any way. But then I am mostly deaf in one
ear and probably have normal high frequency loss for a 71 year old in
the other. Some are on YouTube. The credits seem mysterious to me.
Frank Berger
Apr 12, 2019, 6:36:55 PM4/12/19
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On 4/12/2019 12:12 PM, Alex Brown wrote:
Dorati, but perhaps that's not saying much.
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jserr...@gmail.com
Apr 13, 2019, 4:18:42 PM4/13/19
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A Symphonyshare member transfered the entire cycle from MHS LPs to FLACs and posted it a couple of years ago. Parts of it will surely still be available for audition in advance of purchasing the Scribendum set.
In my opinion, they sound great and the performances are excellent. Maerzendorfer's and Fischer's are the two cycles I turn to.
> Hi,
>
> Wanted: Opinions on the Maerzendorfer set . . . .
In my opinion, they sound great and the performances are excellent. Maerzendorfer's and Fischer's are the two cycles I turn to.
> Hi,
>
> Wanted: Opinions on the Maerzendorfer set . . . .
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Invocation
Apr 14, 2019, 12:27:55 AM4/14/19
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在 2019年4月13日星期六 UTC-4下午4:18:42，jserr...@gmail.com写道：
Lani's excellent transfer was shared there ten years ago. It might be interesting to compare it with the new Scribendum work. Could Scribendum "borrow" his work?
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Frank Berger
Apr 14, 2019, 6:34:11 PM4/14/19
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On 4/14/2019 11:47 AM, Haydn...@comcast.net wrote:
> Really? The our efforts were a complete waste of time! Thanks for the info.
>
If you are confused as to why one would want to compare Lani Spahr'
transers with Scribendum's by not yours, so am I. Hopefully eventually
someone will do an a-b-c on at least a few of the symphonies.
>
If you are confused as to why one would want to compare Lani Spahr'
transers with Scribendum's by not yours, so am I. Hopefully eventually
someone will do an a-b-c on at least a few of the symphonies.
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chriskh...@gmail.com
Apr 15, 2019, 12:55:47 PM4/15/19
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> > > Really? Then our efforts were a complete waste of time! Thanks for the info.
Surely not. When your project was about two thirds through I bought all that were available up till then, though if I was alone in doing so I suppose you will not have got very rich on just that.
Remember that Symphony Share is not a group open to the general public so anyone Googling "Haydn Maerzendorfer" will arrive at your excellent transfers not at the also excellent SS ones. They might also arrive at the two articles I wrote for MusicWeb comparing Maerzendorfer with Dorati in 24 symphonies, to the former's advantage in almost every movement, and I mentioned there that the cycle was obtainable for inexpensive download from Haydn House. I didn't mention the Symphony Share transfer because of the private nature of the group. Whether this resulted in any sales for your products I cannot say. If not, it was not for any lack of enthusiasm on my part.
As for the Scribendum, if they've "stolen" one or other version, that would be very unfair. It would be interesting to hear from someone has has compared them with both yours and Lani Spahr's for SS, just to confirm that they really are different. Let us presume them innocent until proved guilty
Surely not. When your project was about two thirds through I bought all that were available up till then, though if I was alone in doing so I suppose you will not have got very rich on just that.
Remember that Symphony Share is not a group open to the general public so anyone Googling "Haydn Maerzendorfer" will arrive at your excellent transfers not at the also excellent SS ones. They might also arrive at the two articles I wrote for MusicWeb comparing Maerzendorfer with Dorati in 24 symphonies, to the former's advantage in almost every movement, and I mentioned there that the cycle was obtainable for inexpensive download from Haydn House. I didn't mention the Symphony Share transfer because of the private nature of the group. Whether this resulted in any sales for your products I cannot say. If not, it was not for any lack of enthusiasm on my part.
As for the Scribendum, if they've "stolen" one or other version, that would be very unfair. It would be interesting to hear from someone has has compared them with both yours and Lani Spahr's for SS, just to confirm that they really are different. Let us presume them innocent until proved guilty
Frank Berger
Apr 15, 2019, 3:00:43 PM4/15/19
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symphonies. That might suggest Scribendum didn't copy them. Obviously
it doesn't prove anything.
chriskh...@gmail.com
Apr 15, 2019, 3:25:11 PM4/15/19
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Il giorno lunedì 15 aprile 2019 21:00:43 UTC+2, Frank Berger ha scritto:
> Perhaps I am mistaken, but I think Lani Spahr didn't transfer all the
> symphonies. That might suggest Scribendum didn't copy them. Obviously
> it doesn't prove anything.
He did but a few movements were missing and posted only a few months ago so Scribendum can't have "stolen" those. But the only way to prove anything is to compare directly. I'd give Scribendum the benefit of the doubt. Transferring all the symphonies and editing is a time-consuming job, but less so than making new recordings of them all, something that has occasionally been done.
> Perhaps I am mistaken, but I think Lani Spahr didn't transfer all the
> symphonies. That might suggest Scribendum didn't copy them. Obviously
> it doesn't prove anything.
Invocation
Apr 15, 2019, 6:52:08 PM4/15/19
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在 2019年4月15日星期一 UTC-4下午3:25:11，chriskh...@gmail.com写道：
Lani transferred all the symphonies back in 2007, and posted them on Symphonyshare in 2009. A few movements were missing from the server over the years but 1) many people download the complete set by 2009 and 2) the missing ones were restored first in 2012, and once again in 2017. So this would not rule out the possiblity that some label might "reissue" his transfer, although I agree we cannot accuse Scribendum unless we have evidence.
pfu...@gmail.com
Apr 20, 2019, 3:33:22 AM4/20/19
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There's a pretty lengthy review from HMV Japan... Good old Google translator...
https://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Haydn-1732-1809_000000000018516/item_Complete-Symphonies-Ernst-Marzendorfer-Vienna-Chamber-Orchestra-33CD_9374167
Also noticed the set is quite a bit cheaper on the scribendum website.
https://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Haydn-1732-1809_000000000018516/item_Complete-Symphonies-Ernst-Marzendorfer-Vienna-Chamber-Orchestra-33CD_9374167
Also noticed the set is quite a bit cheaper on the scribendum website.
Invocation
Apr 20, 2019, 4:38:49 AM4/20/19
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在 2019年4月20日星期六 UTC-4上午3:33:22，pfu...@gmail.com写道：
> There's a pretty lengthy review from HMV Japan... Good old Google translator...
> https://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Haydn-1732-1809_000000000018516/item_Complete-Symphonies-Ernst-Marzendorfer-Vienna-Chamber-Orchestra-33CD_9374167
>
> Also noticed the set is quite a bit cheaper on the scribendum website.
It even include a chronology of Maerzendorfer. Very useful!
> https://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Haydn-1732-1809_000000000018516/item_Complete-Symphonies-Ernst-Marzendorfer-Vienna-Chamber-Orchestra-33CD_9374167
>
> Also noticed the set is quite a bit cheaper on the scribendum website.
Ricardo Jimenez
Apr 20, 2019, 9:56:26 AM4/20/19
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On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 01:38:47 -0700 (PDT), Invocation
<libras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>? 2019?4?20???? UTC-4??3:33:22?pfu...@gmail.com???
performances at the St. Margarethen quarry in Austria. Aida, Nabucco
and Carmen are preserved on DVD. The Aida is the only DVD production
with real elephants, AFAIK.
<libras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>? 2019?4?20???? UTC-4??3:33:22?pfu...@gmail.com???
>> There's a pretty lengthy review from HMV Japan... Good old Google translator...
>> https://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Haydn-1732-1809_000000000018516/item_Complete-Symphonies-Ernst-Marzendorfer-Vienna-Chamber-Orchestra-33CD_9374167
>>
>> Also noticed the set is quite a bit cheaper on the scribendum website.
>
>It even include a chronology of Maerzendorfer. Very useful!
Late in his career, Maestro Märzendorfer conducted outdoor opera
>> https://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Haydn-1732-1809_000000000018516/item_Complete-Symphonies-Ernst-Marzendorfer-Vienna-Chamber-Orchestra-33CD_9374167
>>
>> Also noticed the set is quite a bit cheaper on the scribendum website.
>
>It even include a chronology of Maerzendorfer. Very useful!
performances at the St. Margarethen quarry in Austria. Aida, Nabucco
and Carmen are preserved on DVD. The Aida is the only DVD production
with real elephants, AFAIK.
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Invocation
Apr 20, 2019, 1:17:49 PM4/20/19
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在 2019年4月20日星期六 UTC-4上午10:31:36，Haydn...@comcast.net写道：
> Carefully A<->B check this with the Scribnedum version of same and conclude.
>
> Statements here can imply that we lifted the entire set from Symphonyshare. Not so, Grasshoppers! Photos of all 49 LPs plus several duplicate are available just by emailing us at Haydn...@comcast.net and ask for them. If you want to purchase all these LPs, make an offer. Be reasonable.
> Also, all the Max Goberman, Library of Recorded Masterpieces Haydn LPs,15 in all with a few duplicates, including a few mono versions, are also available. Do email us.
>
> Aside: We are in our 43rd season recording the Rhode Island Philharmonic in Providence. All the late 1970's thru the 90's concert recordings are being auditioned bwo digital transfers in the tale 90's to pricy CDs from the master reel stereo tapes as well as DAT masters. So far, so good, no CD deteriorations. Ampex reel tapes were beginning to deteriorate (Some had to be baked!) and we had to make the digital transfers to CD at $7.50 each CD!
> Here are some of the piano, etc. recordings:
> Beethoven 4th Piano Concerto with Rudolph Firkusny on 12/7/85
> Dvorak Poano Concerto with Garrick Ohlson on 12/1/84
> Gershwin Concerto in F with Lorin Hollander on 5/17/86 (spectacular!!!)
> Mendelssohn Violin Concert in F minor with Shlomo Mintz on 9/10/80
> Bruch Violin Concerto in G minor with Dylana Jenson on 2/15/86
> Prokofiev Violin Concerto No 1 with Machie Oguri-Kudo on 11/8/85
> Beethoven Emperor Concerto with Misha Dichter on 10/31/81 (Incroyable!!)
> Ravel G Major Piano Concert with Alexander Toradze on 1/11/86 (Superb!!)
> Beethoven 4th Piano Concerto with John Browning on 1/16/99. (what other superlative can be sued?)
> Rodrigo. Concerto de Aranjuez with Sharon Isbin on 3/13/99. (Merveilleux!!!)
> Saint-Saēns Cello Concerto No. 1 with Colin Carr on 5//99
> Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with Miriam Fried on 3/20/82
> Brahms Piano Concerto No. 2 with Alicia de Larrocha (1984). (Outstanding!!)
> Most of the above are followed by encores. The favorite one here is
> Bach's "Sheep May Safely Graze" with John Browning, his own arrangement.
> There is much more out of the nearly 600 of our complete concert recordings in Providence.
Those Rhode Island Philharmonic live sounds interesting! Do you have the plan to release any of them under your label?
> > Wanted: Opinions on the Maerzendorfer set that I see coming up for release on Scribendum in May...this complete set is one of the earliest I think of the complete symphonies. Anyone who has heard the LPs...what is the quality of the orchestral playing and the recording? Maerzendorfer was highly regarded as a Haydn specialist in early BBC Building a Library series back in the 70s...the pricing on Presto seems quite attractive...83 GBP plus shipping.
> >
> > For a long time Haydn House was offering the series in MP3 format so this is a good opportunity to get them on CD. As you can see I am almost convinced that this is a must have but would love to hear other opinions...
> >
> > Indranil
> > Kolkata, India
>
> Whether or not the recent Scribendun issue used ours or Lani's as the source, one fact remains: While remastering the 49 LPs, we added - ever so slightly - some well chosen reverb on all the 107 Haydn symphony/Maerzendorfer recordings. as the original sound is usually "dry," somewhat unpleasant, not representing the superb acoustics of the Mozart Hall of the Concert House complex in Vienna where many of the Scherchen recording sessions took place back in the 1950's, including his unique Haydn Symphonies recordings. Do listen to this, our excerpt of the 97th with the added reverb at https://tinyurl.com/y2ufx2q6.
> >
> > For a long time Haydn House was offering the series in MP3 format so this is a good opportunity to get them on CD. As you can see I am almost convinced that this is a must have but would love to hear other opinions...
> >
> > Indranil
> > Kolkata, India
>
> Carefully A<->B check this with the Scribnedum version of same and conclude.
>
> Statements here can imply that we lifted the entire set from Symphonyshare. Not so, Grasshoppers! Photos of all 49 LPs plus several duplicate are available just by emailing us at Haydn...@comcast.net and ask for them. If you want to purchase all these LPs, make an offer. Be reasonable.
> Also, all the Max Goberman, Library of Recorded Masterpieces Haydn LPs,15 in all with a few duplicates, including a few mono versions, are also available. Do email us.
>
> Aside: We are in our 43rd season recording the Rhode Island Philharmonic in Providence. All the late 1970's thru the 90's concert recordings are being auditioned bwo digital transfers in the tale 90's to pricy CDs from the master reel stereo tapes as well as DAT masters. So far, so good, no CD deteriorations. Ampex reel tapes were beginning to deteriorate (Some had to be baked!) and we had to make the digital transfers to CD at $7.50 each CD!
> Here are some of the piano, etc. recordings:
> Beethoven 4th Piano Concerto with Rudolph Firkusny on 12/7/85
> Dvorak Poano Concerto with Garrick Ohlson on 12/1/84
> Gershwin Concerto in F with Lorin Hollander on 5/17/86 (spectacular!!!)
> Mendelssohn Violin Concert in F minor with Shlomo Mintz on 9/10/80
> Bruch Violin Concerto in G minor with Dylana Jenson on 2/15/86
> Prokofiev Violin Concerto No 1 with Machie Oguri-Kudo on 11/8/85
> Beethoven Emperor Concerto with Misha Dichter on 10/31/81 (Incroyable!!)
> Ravel G Major Piano Concert with Alexander Toradze on 1/11/86 (Superb!!)
> Beethoven 4th Piano Concerto with John Browning on 1/16/99. (what other superlative can be sued?)
> Rodrigo. Concerto de Aranjuez with Sharon Isbin on 3/13/99. (Merveilleux!!!)
> Saint-Saēns Cello Concerto No. 1 with Colin Carr on 5//99
> Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with Miriam Fried on 3/20/82
> Brahms Piano Concerto No. 2 with Alicia de Larrocha (1984). (Outstanding!!)
> Most of the above are followed by encores. The favorite one here is
> Bach's "Sheep May Safely Graze" with John Browning, his own arrangement.
> There is much more out of the nearly 600 of our complete concert recordings in Providence.
Those Rhode Island Philharmonic live sounds interesting! Do you have the plan to release any of them under your label?
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Apr 20, 2019, 6:50:03 PM4/20/19
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在 2019年4月20日星期六 UTC-4下午4:42:50，Haydn...@comcast.net写道：
> The Musicians local as well as those of Boston and NYC do not permit any release.
>
> Who knows what the future may bring? What would be great is a podcssting.website with HD audio.
>
> Brawell Tovey was hired as the RI Philharmonic's new Music Director. He will conduct the Brahms 2nd Piano Concerto with Yefim "Fima" Bronfman, and the Bartok Concerto for Orchestra on September 28, 2019. The season will end in May, 2020 with the Verdi Requiem. The Shostakovich 10th is on for October, 2019. Carl St. Clair and Tania Miller will guest conduct next season as well. Also, Bramwell Tovey is now director of orchestral activities for Boston University School of Music, appointed in September 2017.
> He has conducted a few Boston Symphony concerts recently.
What a pity... Hope some of those rare documents will get a chance to be published in the future.
I have been to a few concerts by Tovey and he is an excellent conductor!
>
> Who knows what the future may bring? What would be great is a podcssting.website with HD audio.
>
> Brawell Tovey was hired as the RI Philharmonic's new Music Director. He will conduct the Brahms 2nd Piano Concerto with Yefim "Fima" Bronfman, and the Bartok Concerto for Orchestra on September 28, 2019. The season will end in May, 2020 with the Verdi Requiem. The Shostakovich 10th is on for October, 2019. Carl St. Clair and Tania Miller will guest conduct next season as well. Also, Bramwell Tovey is now director of orchestral activities for Boston University School of Music, appointed in September 2017.
> He has conducted a few Boston Symphony concerts recently.
What a pity... Hope some of those rare documents will get a chance to be published in the future.
I have been to a few concerts by Tovey and he is an excellent conductor!
jserr...@gmail.com
May 4, 2019, 3:41:48 AM5/4/19
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Here is Lani Spahr on the Scribendum issue as compared to his own transfers, as QTD from another forum:
>>I just received the last mvt of Haydn Sym 104 from one of our number.
After loading it into the computer along with my own transfer of the same mvt I can safely say that Scribendum did not use my transfers.
The evidence - (based on this one sample)
1. Artifacts that appear in mine do not appear in theirs.
2. Artifacts that appear in theirs do not appear in mine..
3. The pitch is slightly different and too high.
4. I pitched mine to A=444 which is the pitch in Vienna. Theirs comes in around A=450 which is much too high.
5. It appears that theirs were made from lower bit-rate files and not transferred directly to wav. The upper range poops out (a very technical term) at around 16khz and the file shows evidence of sculpted spectral response above 13khz. This sculpting is what you would expect to see in MP3s and such.
6. Freq resp in mine goes all the way up to 20kHz
7. They did steep attenuation below 40Hz. I didn't.
8. Overall freq response sounds dull.
9. Theirs appears to have more dynamic range but it goes for nothing because of the roll-off above 3kHz. Mine sound like it has more dynamic range because of the superior freq resp.
There you have it. I can sleep soundly.
Bottom line - I don't know why anyone would buy these. It's an inferior product.
Lani<<
>>I just received the last mvt of Haydn Sym 104 from one of our number.
After loading it into the computer along with my own transfer of the same mvt I can safely say that Scribendum did not use my transfers.
The evidence - (based on this one sample)
1. Artifacts that appear in mine do not appear in theirs.
2. Artifacts that appear in theirs do not appear in mine..
3. The pitch is slightly different and too high.
4. I pitched mine to A=444 which is the pitch in Vienna. Theirs comes in around A=450 which is much too high.
5. It appears that theirs were made from lower bit-rate files and not transferred directly to wav. The upper range poops out (a very technical term) at around 16khz and the file shows evidence of sculpted spectral response above 13khz. This sculpting is what you would expect to see in MP3s and such.
6. Freq resp in mine goes all the way up to 20kHz
7. They did steep attenuation below 40Hz. I didn't.
8. Overall freq response sounds dull.
9. Theirs appears to have more dynamic range but it goes for nothing because of the roll-off above 3kHz. Mine sound like it has more dynamic range because of the superior freq resp.
There you have it. I can sleep soundly.
Bottom line - I don't know why anyone would buy these. It's an inferior product.
Lani<<
schur...@gmail.com
May 4, 2019, 12:11:11 PM5/4/19
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Ok, I rarely comment here but I thought I'd just make a few short points. First of all, I bought the Scribendum set from Amazon France for about $80 shipping included, it arrived in a week to California. It's a bare bones affair, box and 33 discs. Fine with me, I still collect CDs, and yes proud of it. I'm a third of the way through, and to these 63 year old ears the LP dubs are fine. So far there's little evidence of LP wow (these LP's are pretty hard to find I imagine, 49 of them originally on Musical Heritage) and surface noise problems. I respect Lani Spahr and his expertise, but I wanted a pressed set of these (they're not CDR's) and I was curious about what and how Scribendum would do. At $2.50 a disc I'm completely satisfied. As for the pitch of the last movement of 104, I compared it to Karajan/Vienna and the complete Fischer set, and the Scribendum is exactly on pitch. So, I don't know what that's about. (I am a professional musician, and pitch variances bug me greatly), so anyway, that's my 2 cents worth, I'm happy with the set, your millage may vary of course.
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meyers...@gmail.com
May 5, 2019, 6:14:55 AM5/5/19
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On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 12:11:11 PM UTC-4, schur...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ok, I rarely comment here but I thought I'd just make a few short points. First of all, I bought the Scribendum set from Amazon France for about $80 shipping included, it arrived in a week to California. It's a bare bones affair, box and 33 discs. Fine with me, I still collect CDs, and yes proud of it. I'm a third of the way through, and to these 63 year old ears the LP dubs are fine. So far there's little evidence of LP wow (these LP's are pretty hard to find I imagine, 49 of them originally on Musical Heritage) and surface noise problems. I respect Lani Spahr and his expertise, but I wanted a pressed set of these (they're not CDR's) and I was curious about what and how Scribendum would do. At $2.50 a disc I'm completely satisfied. As for the pitch of the last movement of 104, I compared it to Karajan/Vienna and the complete Fischer set, and the Scribendum is exactly on pitch. So, I don't know what that's about. (I am a professional musician, and pitch variances bug me greatly), so anyway, that's my 2 cents worth, I'm happy with the set, your millage may vary of course.
Where are the Lani Spahr transfers available??? Sorry if I missed a previous post with the information Meyer
> Ok, I rarely comment here but I thought I'd just make a few short points. First of all, I bought the Scribendum set from Amazon France for about $80 shipping included, it arrived in a week to California. It's a bare bones affair, box and 33 discs. Fine with me, I still collect CDs, and yes proud of it. I'm a third of the way through, and to these 63 year old ears the LP dubs are fine. So far there's little evidence of LP wow (these LP's are pretty hard to find I imagine, 49 of them originally on Musical Heritage) and surface noise problems. I respect Lani Spahr and his expertise, but I wanted a pressed set of these (they're not CDR's) and I was curious about what and how Scribendum would do. At $2.50 a disc I'm completely satisfied. As for the pitch of the last movement of 104, I compared it to Karajan/Vienna and the complete Fischer set, and the Scribendum is exactly on pitch. So, I don't know what that's about. (I am a professional musician, and pitch variances bug me greatly), so anyway, that's my 2 cents worth, I'm happy with the set, your millage may vary of course.
weary flake
May 5, 2019, 1:45:10 PM5/5/19
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On 2019-05-04 07:41:46 +0000, jserr...@gmail.com said:
> Here is Lani Spahr on the Scribendum issue as compared to his own
> transfers, as QTD from another forum:
>
>>> I just received the last mvt of Haydn Sym 104 from one of our number.
That's comparing only one movement out of hundreds of movements, not
> Here is Lani Spahr on the Scribendum issue as compared to his own
> transfers, as QTD from another forum:
>
>>> I just received the last mvt of Haydn Sym 104 from one of our number.
enough of a comparison.
> After loading it into the computer along with my own transfer of the
> same mvt I can safely say that Scribendum did not use my transfers.
>
> The evidence - (based on this one sample)
> 1. Artifacts that appear in mine do not appear in theirs.
> 2. Artifacts that appear in theirs do not appear in mine..
> 3. The pitch is slightly different and too high.
> 4. I pitched mine to A=444 which is the pitch in Vienna. Theirs comes
> in around A=450 which is much too high.
> 5. It appears that theirs were made from lower bit-rate files and not
> transferred directly to wav. The upper range poops out (a very
> technical term) at around 16khz and the file shows evidence of sculpted
> spectral response above 13khz. This sculpting is what you would expect
> to see in MP3s and such.
Scribendum is a label said to dull the sound of upper frequencies.
Expanding an .mp3 to .wav for pressing CDs and not disclosing it is a crime,
so making sure of this is important.
> 6. Freq resp in mine goes all the way up to 20kHz
> 7. They did steep attenuation below 40Hz. I didn't.
> 8. Overall freq response sounds dull.
> 9. Theirs appears to have more dynamic range but it goes for nothing
> because of the roll-off above 3kHz. Mine sound like it has more dynamic
> range because of the superior freq resp.
>
> There you have it. I can sleep soundly.
> Bottom line - I don't know why anyone would buy these. It's an inferior
> product.
isn't .mp3, and Lani's set is not available.
>
> Lani<<
weary flake
May 5, 2019, 3:21:34 PM5/5/19
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On 2019-05-05 17:45:02 +0000, weary flake said:
> On 2019-05-04 07:41:46 +0000, jserr...@gmail.com said:
>
>> Here is Lani Spahr on the Scribendum issue as compared to his own
>> transfers, as QTD from another forum:
>>
>>>> I just received the last mvt of Haydn Sym 104 from one of our number.
It occurs to me that this supposed sample of the Scribendum could be
> On 2019-05-04 07:41:46 +0000, jserr...@gmail.com said:
>
>> Here is Lani Spahr on the Scribendum issue as compared to his own
>> transfers, as QTD from another forum:
>>
>>>> I just received the last mvt of Haydn Sym 104 from one of our number.
corrupted: it could be from a lossy rip of the CDs or some such,
regardless of how the sample is formatted. .wav -> .mp3 -> .wav
It's common to make lossy rips of CDs, and the resulting file would not
be a fair comparison of the original CD.
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weary flake
May 5, 2019, 6:40:44 PM5/5/19
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On 2019-05-05 19:43:16 +0000, Haydn...@comcast.net said:
> We have all on wav files.
I see only an .mp3 set from HaydnHouse.
I see only an .mp3 set from HaydnHouse.
Frank Berger
May 5, 2019, 7:41:59 PM5/5/19
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HH transfers either stand alone or in comparison to the others.
weary flake
May 5, 2019, 9:08:00 PM5/5/19
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the .mp3 version. The Scribendum set is all that is available
that is not in .mp3, so I'm going to buy the Scribendum. I
too want to read about comparisons between transfers, because
analysis of different transfers are interesting.
Frank Berger
May 5, 2019, 9:28:07 PM5/5/19
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you? It seems to me they are saying they are available EVEN THOUGH they
are not listed on the web site. It's not certain, but it's a
possibility, isn't it? What do you have against asking?
Haydn...@comcast.net
May 6, 2019, 10:57:29 AM5/6/19
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"Il faut rire pour ne pas pleurer!" (Madame Lemaire at age 106, in a nursing home. God bless her!)
PAP
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jserr...@gmail.com
May 7, 2019, 8:54:34 AM5/7/19
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FWIW, the sample track was ripped in lossless directly from the Scribendum set. It may or may not be representative of the whole. But that does not invalidate Spahr's objections to what he heard on that sample track.
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