Record box foam inserts disintegrating
Mr. Mike
Golden Imports conducted by Antal Dorati, part of a friend's
collection that I am cataloguing.
This box has two sheets of formerly white, now yellowing foam-like
material on each side of the records/booklet. I attempted to remove
this foam, and it totally disintegrated and turned into powder. (What
comes to mind is one of those Indiana Jones-like movies where some
precious artifact turns to dust).
I have found this kind of packaging elsewhere, but I never noticed
this kind of problem, though I don't recall moving it around in the
other boxes. Fortunately, the foam didn't reach the records in their
slip cases, as far as I can see ... if it did, they would probably
have to be thrown out because the powder has sort of a "sticky"
consistency to it.
Has anyone else ever found this happening?
Better check your old box sets (this one had not been listened to for
probably 20 years or more).
mark
It's a big problem with CDs if the foam touches the CDs themselves.
Universal Classics seem to include this crap, Especially DG. One
should discard these pieces along with the shrink wrap. They are a
disaster waiting to happen.
Bob Lombard
This is true. The foam should be considered packing material. Git it
outa thar. I have had the disintegrating foam experience with LP box
sets. Made me sneeze.
bl
Jeff
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Good advice. That sticky foam layer in my old 5-disc DG LP set of
Furtwangler's Bruckner eventually disintegrated and ruined all the
records. Fortunately, the CDs which replaced them had much better
sound anyway.
Jeff
Norman Schwartz
"Mr. Mike" <m...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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This situation has been recognized for many years. The "black-out" foam used
inside (film) cameras deteriorated in the same manner. I had one such camera
containing a lot of black oily gunk which I tossed. "Foam kits", containing
foam which does not decay in this manner, exist for the purpose of replacing
the old foam in those cameras which are salvageable.
Frank Berger
That happened to my Minolta SRT-101, possibly accelerated by the orange
juice spill.
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Steve de Mena
>> This situation has been recognized for many years. The "black-out"
>> foam used inside (film) cameras deteriorated in the same manner. I
>> had one such camera containing a lot of black oily gunk which I
>> tossed. "Foam kits", containing foam which does not decay in this
>> manner, exist for the purpose of replacing the old foam in those
>> cameras which are salvageable.
>
> That happened to my Minolta SRT-101, possibly accelerated by the orange
> juice spill.
Same with my SRT-102 (my first camera). There is a guy here in Los
Angeles who refurbishes these old cameras, also recalibrates the light
meter to work with the newer kind of batteries (I believe the original
batteries are outlawed) About $75 I think. http://bit.ly/pV3ZF
Steve
Steve de Mena
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:19:33 +1000, Mr. Mike wrote
> (in article <ttch75tbvjs6qj5gk...@4ax.com>):
> passage of time they evaporate, causing the foam to become brittle and
> fragile. I think they stopped using it about 20 years ago. I haven't seen any
> for years, except what's in my older CDs. The dust won't hurt the CDs. Just
> blow it away.
Decca was using them 2-3 years ago for those 4-5 CD jam packed plastic
jewel cases. (Sir Michael Tippett works, Stephen Kovacevich, Mitsuko
Ochida Beethoven are a few titles that come to mind). Maybe they are
made with a new space-age material?
Steve
Ward Hardman
Most of my LP sets haven't been played since the introduction of CDs
in 1983. I instituted a quick search upon seeing this thread, and
discovered 21 boxed sets, all on the Telefunken "Das Alte Werk" label
(JS Bach Cantatas, CPE Bach Sonatas, Telemann Overtures, Monteverdi
Operas, etc.) and on one set of Bartok "For Children" on modern
Telefunken.
These sets dated from 1980-83, and were mainly for boxed sets with
only 2 LPs. Sets with more LPs were probably considered to be packed
tightly enough to keep the disks from warping by sagging within the
box. These crumbly pads are all in my trash can now. Luckily, it
wasn't too hard to lift them out of the album boxes.
Now I'll start checking my multi-CD box sets.
I had trouble back in the 70s with the foam pads on AR turntables
turning to gooey gunk (in the contemporary Los Angeles smog) and
ruining LPs played on them. The foam pads in the Telefunken albums
haven't even discolored the paper sleeves or inner surfaces of the
boxes, so the situation is nowhere near as dire. Perhaps if the foam
is in direct contact with the label-side of CDs, it could be worse.
I'll let you know!!!
--Ward Hardman
"The older I get, the more I admire and crave competence,
just simple competence, in any field from adultery to zoology."
- H.L. Mencken
AntiTroll02
> I'll let you know!!!
>
> --Ward Hardman
Don't bother, Hardman asswipe. We heard enough from you and your sock-
puppets to last a hundred years.
Allen
through every CD case and threw away all the pieces of foam, some of
which had already starting showing sighs of deterioration. I suggest you
do the same, starting yesterday if possible.
Allen
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Eric
wkasimer
> In my case, the disaster has happened. The sticky powdery gunk has adhered to the label side of several cds. Does anyone have suggestions for removing it without destroying the cd? Please advise.
BTW, I ran into the dumbest eBay seller ever a couple of weeks ago. I bought a Parsifal CD set from him, and he wanted to keep the discs on their spindles in transit. Instead of doing what most people do (either not worrying about it, or putting a small piece of bubble wrap over the spindles), this seller chose to use plain old adhesive tape, and in long enough pieces to extend beyond the hub, well onto the CD label. Removing it didn't leave much of a residue, but it did remove most of the CD label and underlying reflective layer, right down to the plastic, making the discs unplayable.
Bill
Bob Lombard
> BTW, I ran into the dumbest eBay seller ever a couple of weeks ago. I
> bought a Parsifal CD set from him, and he wanted to keep the discs on
> their spindles in transit. Instead of doing what most people do
> (either not worrying about it, or putting a small piece of bubble wrap
> over the spindles), this seller chose to use plain old adhesive tape,
> and in long enough pieces to extend beyond the hub, well onto the CD
> label. Removing it didn't leave much of a residue, but it did remove
> most of the CD label and underlying reflective layer, right down to
> the plastic, making the discs unplayable. Bill
the seller's good intentions.
There is an 'old saying' along those lines; JDW is surely old enough to
know it.
bl
Randy Lane
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:51:47 PM UTC-4, johnjac...@gmail.com wrote: > In my case, the disaster has happened. The sticky powdery gunk has adhered to the label side of several cds. Does anyone have suggestions for removing it without destroying the cd? Please advise. Not much you can do. I've dealt with it by manually (and carefully) removing as much as possible, and then using lens cleaner to remove as much of what's left as will come off. It leaves pockmarks on the label side, but the discs have been playable. BTW, I ran into the dumbest eBay seller ever a couple of weeks ago. I bought a Parsifal CD set from him, and he wanted to keep the discs on their spindles in transit. Instead of doing what most people do (either not worrying about it, or putting a small piece of bubble wrap over the spindles), this seller chose to use plain old adhesive tape, and in long enough pieces to extend beyond the hub, well onto the CD label. Removing it didn't leave much of a residue, but it did remove most of the CD label and underlying reflective layer, right down to the plastic, making the discs unplayable. Bill
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"If it ain't broke...?"
"It seemed like a good idea...?"
jdw
Bob Lombard
> In my case, the disaster has happened. The sticky powdery gunk has adhered to the label side of several cds. Does anyone have suggestions for removing it without destroying the cd? Please advise.
(not most esthetically pleasing) procedure may be to not remove all of
the residue, but make it non-sticky. The minimum acceptable result of
your efforts must be playability, eh?
Dana John Hill
>
removes most of the crud. There will still be evidence that foam had
once been stuck there, but I've never had a disc that didn't play after
this procedure.
Dana John Hill
Gainesville, Florida
Norman Schwartz
Matthew B. Tepper
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> I likewise bought a used set that had the residue, but I discovered it too
> late to get a refund. There were 3 CDs impacted. I used denatured-alcohol-
> soaked kleenex tissues to remove the residue as much as possible without
> rubbing/scuffing the disks; being patient, it may take multiple iterations
> to get it all off. Emphasis on DENATURED ALCOHOL; not isopropyl or other
> alcohol formulations. Worked fine two of teh disks. The third was simply
> too badly damaged to be recovered.
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>
> > There is an 'old saying' along those lines; JDW is surely old enough to know it.
>
> *Puzzle*
>
> "The road to Hell...?"
>
> "If it ain't broke...?"
>
> "It seemed like a good idea...?"
"The jerk store called...?" http://tiny.cc/937z3w
And, Mr. Wiser, just where in the hi-heck have you been recently?? Holiday in Dubai? Watching 'Duck Dynasty' marathons? Shopping for Obamacare??
O
heard.
-Owen
John Wiser
jdw
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> >> Or...
> >>
> >> "The jerk store called...?" http://tiny.cc/937z3w
> >>
> >> And, Mr. Wiser, just where in the hi-heck have you been recently?? Holiday
> >> in
> >> Dubai? Watching 'Duck Dynasty' marathons? Shopping for Obamacare??
> >
> >
> > He's trying to make his way through some Dale Carnegie book last I
> > heard.
> >
> You lot are RMCR's cruz to bear.
-Owen, posting from the jerk store.