Moravec Recording Discography and Source?

[Peter Houck]

Hi,

Anyone know how to obtain a discography of Ivan Moravec? I would, at
least, like to find out what is currently available.

As for a source, I was in Barnes/Nobel and saw one of the VAI releases of
some of Moravec's Chopin from the mid sixties with David Jones doing the
engineering, i.e. the Connoisseur Society recordings. The price was $20.
Anyone know where I can do better than that?

Also there is a Dorian release of the Chopin Scherzi available. Were
can I find Dorian releases?

Thanks,

-Peter (ho...@jazz.cnd.hp.com)

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[Chase Kimball]

In article <5om601$1...@fcnews.fc.hp.com>, @fc.hp.com says...

>
>Hi,
>
>Anyone know how to obtain a discography of Ivan Moravec? I would, at
>least, like to find out what is currently available.
>
>As for a source, I was in Barnes/Nobel and saw one of the VAI releases of
>some of Moravec's Chopin from the mid sixties with David Jones doing the
>engineering, i.e. the Connoisseur Society recordings. The price was $20.
>Anyone know where I can do better than that?
>
>Also there is a Dorian release of the Chopin Scherzi available. Were
>can I find Dorian releases?
>
>Thanks,
>
> -Peter (ho...@jazz.cnd.hp.com)
>
>

You are probably aware that the Nocturnes are available on Nonesuch now. I
would love a discography of Moravec as well.

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[George P]

Has anyone tracked down a discography for Ivan Moravec?

George P

[John Thomas]

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 2:00:22 PM UTC-8, George P wrote:
> Has anyone tracked down a discography for Ivan Moravec?
>
> George P

Don't know how complete this is, but at least it's a start: http://www.discogs.com/artist/835085-Ivan-Moravec

[George P]

Thanks, yes, I found that one. It's definitely incomplete.
There used to be one here - http://www.ivanmoravec.net/albums/al-su3165.html but the link no longer works.

George P

[m41...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 23, 1997 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Peter Houck wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Anyone know how to obtain a discography of Ivan Moravec? I would, at
> least, like to find out what is currently available.
>
> As for a source, I was in Barnes/Nobel and saw one of the VAI releases of
> some of Moravec's Chopin from the mid sixties with David Jones doing the
> engineering, i.e. the Connoisseur Society recordings. The price was $20.
> Anyone know where I can do better than that?
>
> Also there is a Dorian release of the Chopin Scherzi available. Were
> can I find Dorian releases?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Peter (ho...@jazz.cnd.hp.com)
>

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> 3404 E. Harmony Rd. Phone : .. 970-229-6115
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> USA Mailstop: A2, City: Ft. Collins
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Peter,

Moravec was a very great pianist. Supraphon, the Czech label has reissued almost all of his Connoisseur Society recordings. These are often available at a discount from English dealers such as MDT or Presto. Connoisseur has also just released a two disc set of a concert Moravec gave in Belgium.

Martin

[Gerard]

"George P" wrote in message
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The website http://www.ivanmoravec.net/ seems to go about something
completely different now.

[George P]

Do you happen to have a link to that CD?

[Alan Dawes]

In article <4159305c-f8b5-4afc...@googlegroups.com>,

You may be able to get to it using the archives of web sites saved on
Wayback Machine:

http://archive.org/web/

It looks like the last time that the Wayback machine archived that site
was 13Dec 2012 but there are other earlier dates listed on:

https://web.archive.org/web/query?type=urlquery&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ivanmoravec.net%2Falbums%2Fal-su3165.html&Submit=BROWSE+HISTORY

for the 13 Dec 2012 see:

https://web.archive.org/web/20121213004452/http://www.ivanmoravec.net/albums/al-su3165.html

Hope this helps.

Alan

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[George P]

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 7:21:57 AM UTC-5, Alan Dawes wrote:
> You may be able to get to it using the archives of web sites saved on
> Wayback Machine:
>
> http://archive.org/web/
>
> It looks like the last time that the Wayback machine archived that site
> was 13Dec 2012 but there are other earlier dates listed on:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/query?type=urlquery&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ivanmoravec.net%2Falbums%2Fal-su3165.html&Submit=BROWSE+HISTORY
>
> for the 13 Dec 2012 see:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20121213004452/http://www.ivanmoravec.net/albums/al-su3165.html
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Alan

Wow, thanks, Alan!!!

[cooper...@gmail.com]

The best current source both for information and for many of the recordings themselves (as inexpensive lossless downloads) is https://www.supraphonline.cz/umelec/152-ivan-moravec. Of course it lists only what is available from the site, but there's a lot there, including the latest issue, a 1987 recital that is mostly superb, albeit short measure for a 2-CD set (https://www.supraphonline.cz/album/109682-trikralovy-recital-praha-1987/flac). Searching Amazon will yield much, if not all, of what is (or isn't) available on other labels such as Vox/MMG, Nonesuch, Dorian, Hanssler, Brilliant, and VAI. Part of the problem is that there is much duplication of repertoire, as well of duplication of the selfsame recordings among the Supraphonline offerings. Supraphon sometimes prefers later releases to earlier ones, leaving certain key issues orphaned, including the CS recording of Beethoven's "Pastoral" Sonata (never officially on CD) and the great recording of the PC#4 with Turnovsky ("superseded," as it were, by the recording with Belohlavek, but still available on VAI).

AC

[George P]

On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 4:48:27 AM UTC-5, Gerard wrote:
> The website http://www.ivanmoravec.net/ seems to go about something
> completely different now.

;-)

[Frank Berger]

> Moravec was a very great pianist. Supraphon, the Czech label has reissued almost all of his Connoisseur Society recordings. These are often available at a discount from English dealers such as MDT or Presto. Connoisseur has also just released a two disc set of a concert Moravec gave in Belgium.
>
> Martin
>

I see Supraphon has 2 disk concert from Brussels, released
in 2009. Can you give a reference to the set you're
referring to? Thanks.

[cooper...@gmail.com]

The new 2-disk set referred to most likely is the 1987 12th-night *Prague* recital. Martin seems to have conflated the previously issued Brussels recital with this one. See the link to Supraphon's lossless download in my previous post. The CD issue (e.g., http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Supraphon/SU41902) was a Gramophone "editor's choice" in November. The CDs offer short measure for the price: CD2 is only about 37 minutes. Mighty fine playing, though.

AC

[Bob Harper]

On 12/29/15 6:18 AM, cooper...@gmail.com wrote:
(snip)

....the great recording of the PC#4

> with Turnovsky ("superseded," as it were, by the recording with
> Belohlavek, but still available on VAI).
>
> AC
>

I'm glad you used quotation marks around 'superseded', as the Turnovsky
recording is unique, and should never be out of the catalog. I still
remember seeing it described (in High Fidelity, IIRC) as 'a giant
tone-poem'. When I finally got the LP, one listen confirmed the justice
of that description. Marvelous!

Bob Harper

[cooper...@gmail.com]

Indeed, and a word of gratitude to the Book of the Month Club for conveniently and inexpensively repackaging Moravec's CS Beethoven and Chopin LPs back in the day. We joined the BOMC specifically to acquire them (among other things). Still have 'em. Fortunately the VAI CD reissue of Moravec/Turnovsky is readily available (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000003LIU/). Turnovsky was Moravec's brother-in-law, btw.

AC

[Bob Harper]

It is indeed, and quite reasonably priced from Amazon sellers. Yes, it
duplicates repertoire he recorded elsewhere in the studio, but no
matter. That little extra something that comes with a live performance
is there and makes the set a joy from beginning to end.

Bob Harper

[Gerard]

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It was also a "RECORDING OF THE MONTH" on MusicWeb:

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2015/Nov/Moravec_Prague_SU41902.htm

[markm...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 23, 1997 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Peter Houck wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Anyone know how to obtain a discography of Ivan Moravec? I would, at
> least, like to find out what is currently available.
>
> As for a source, I was in Barnes/Nobel and saw one of the VAI releases of
> some of Moravec's Chopin from the mid sixties with David Jones doing the
> engineering, i.e. the Connoisseur Society recordings. The price was $20.
> Anyone know where I can do better than that?
>
> Also there is a Dorian release of the Chopin Scherzi available. Were
> can I find Dorian releases?

>
> Thanks,
>
> -Peter

>

> When the Dorian Label folded, their catalog was taken over by Sono Luminus, which sells them on their website. I just scrolled through the Dorian offerings at Sono Luminus and did not find any Moravec. Dorian did record and release Moravec playing the Schumann and Brahms D minor concerti with Eduardo Mata and the Dallas Symphony, but it does not appear on the Sono Luminus website.

Mark

>----

[cooper...@gmail.com]

The Dorian Scherzi etc. are on Brilliant, licensed from Sono Luminus (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OPHG84Q/). Also downloadable lossless from Supraphon (https://www.supraphonline.cz/album/153-chopin-scherza-etudy-op-25-mazurky). The Brahms/Schumann coupling with Mata is on itunes, Spotify, and probably elsewhere. If the CD was reissued by anyone, I haven't seen it. Moravec's way with the Schumann is not to my taste anyway: many beautiful moments, but sluggish overall. Even so, I'd prefer the mid-'70s recording with Neumann, esp. coupled with Kinderszenen (https://www.supraphonline.cz/album/483-schumann-koncert-pro-klavir-detske-sceny-franck-symfonicke-v).

AC

[Gerard]

"George P" wrote in message
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On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:38:27 PM UTC-5, John Thomas wrote:
> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 2:00:22 PM UTC-8, George P wrote:
> > Has anyone tracked down a discography for Ivan Moravec?
> >
> > George P
>
> Don't know how complete this is, but at least it's a start:
> http://www.discogs.com/artist/835085-Ivan-Moravec

Thanks, yes, I found that one. It's definitely incomplete.

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Probably this one isn't complete either:

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/ivan-moravec-mn0001644567/discography

[cooper...@gmail.com]

There's a lot there, but it won't alleviate confusion among multiple issues of the same material (e.g., VAI Chopin vol. 2 = the Chopin disk included in the 4-CD set on Supraphon, the latter adding the Barcarolle). Some Supraphon reissues of recordings previously available on other labels are missing (e.g., the Preludes from VAI; the Scherzi from Dorian; the 2012 remastering of the Nocturnes from Nonesuch). At a glance (and setting aside some duplicates, such as the numerous issues of the Brahms PCs), I miss the Beethoven PC#3 with Neumann, the Dvorak Biblical Songs with Soukoupova (a great recording), and of course anything issued on LP but not on CD (Beethoven op. 28 from CS/BOMC).

Apparently Moravec himself determined which of his earlier recordings Supraphon could reissue. One example: the selection of Debussy in Supraphon's "French Music" volume omits several of the '60s CS recordings, including the complete "Children's Corner," previously reissued by VAI. Some of the missing items (e.g., Jardins sous la pluie) reappear in later recordings such as the 1982 Vox Debussy recital.

Pretty confusing, but understandable given how great Moravec was, that he performed and recorded for a long, and that his repertoire was not large.

AC

[howie...@btinternet.com]

So should we conclude that he wasn't happy with the studio recording of the Pastoral sonata? Is that was it was not released on CD.

[cooper...@gmail.com]

On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 2:09:31 PM UTC-5, howie...@btinternet.com wrote:
> So should we conclude that he wasn't happy with the studio recording of the Pastoral sonata? Is that was it was not released on CD.

I've inferred that without actually knowing that it is the case. Wasn't there something odd about the original LP issue? I remember reading that a live performance from Italy was substituted for the NYC studio recording, but is that true, and does it indicate some dissatisfaction on Moravec's part? I do know that in the case of the CS Debussy recordings, Supraphon issued only a selection approved by the pianist. Back to the Pastoral: if I remember correctly, in the early '00s there was a plan to reissue it, and also to (re)record some shorter Brahms works that were not going to be reissued (cf. Nonesuch LP 79063; VAI CD 1096). I guess that any reissue of the CS Pastoral was preempted by the release of the live Brussels performance.

Speaking of Nonesuch, I should have mentioned the unreissued Janacek recital on LP 79041, including the Sonata, In the Mist, and excerpts from On an Overgrown Path. Later performances of the first two, from the 2000 Prague Spring Festival, turn up on Hanssler's "Live in Prague" CD.

In my previous post I forgot to mention the late '80s Bach/Mozart/Schumann collection on Supraphon CD, which I do not own. Currently op, but I *think* it includes the same Kinderszenen that now is c/w the Schumann PC and Franck Symphonic Variations, along with digital (studio?) recordings of Mozart K. 333 and Bach Chromatic Fantasy & Fugue that are contemporary with the live performances just issued by Supraphon. Perhaps someone else could confirm the relationship between the two. None of the reviews that I've read has even mentioned the previous issue.

Hope this helps more than it confuses.

AC

[George P]

On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 3:32:09 PM UTC-5, cooper...@gmail.com wrote:
> In my previous post I forgot to mention the late '80s Bach/Mozart/Schumann collection on Supraphon CD, which I do not own. Currently op, but I *think* it includes the same Kinderszenen that now is c/w the Schumann PC and Franck Symphonic Variations, along with digital (studio?) recordings of Mozart K. 333 and Bach Chromatic Fantasy & Fugue that are contemporary with the live performances just issued by Supraphon. Perhaps someone else could confirm the relationship between the two.

_______

They are the same. I have both discs. The Mozart on that CD also appears on the all Mozart Supraphon CD. So only the Bach Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue in d minor is unique to that CD (Supraphon 11 0359-2)

George P

[Steve Emerson]

In article <02372851-81e7-49e8...@googlegroups.com>,

I don't know if you mentioned it before, but there's also the Nonesuch
LP of Brahms intermezzos and one rhapsody, the Schumann Kinderszenen,
and Schumann Arabesque. A fantastic record, done in the U.S. There's no
telling about the Kinderszenen, but I doubt that Supraphon has issued
it; the Brahms has never been on CD, to my knowledge.

SE.

[cooper...@gmail.com]

Yes, the Schumann/Brahms is the LP I referred to by its serial number, Nonesuch LP 79063. Since it was issued in 1984, it can't be the same Kinderszenen released on Supraphon, which was recorded in the Rudolfinum in 1987 :-) A good friend (you-know-who) was kind enough to share his transfer of the LP, which is a treasure.

Thanks also to George P for clarifying what the op Bach/Schumann/Mozart CD includes.

AC