Wonderful Szymanowski piano
Rugby
Martin Jones in the Op.1 Preludes ( sorry TD,no video or popcorn) , my
first hearings of these gems:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWHA2NmuRw4&feature=related ( 2
parts )
A student playing long -time fav Op.4,# 3 Etude (video) :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=knW-yv6i6z4&feature=related
A brilliant young pianist in the Op.33 Etudes, leaves my Rosenberger
lp far behind:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTrCMohFGYY&feature=related (2
parts)
Regards, Rugby
FigaroRabbit
I am not familier with Szymanowski's piano music that much,
only have listened some of short pieces only. How about his
piano sonatas? Worth investigating? Reommendations?
-- taro
Rugby
Sorry, I have heard only the 2nd Sonata with Roscoe ( I think he wrote
3),and was not very impressed. Others here will know more.
Rugby
Alan Cooper
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> On Oct 6, 8:04�pm, Rugby <steveha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Martin Jones in the Op.1 Preludes ( sorry TD,no video or
>> popcorn) , my first hearings of these
>> gems:www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWHA2NmuRw4&featur
> e=related� � � � �( 2
>> parts )
>>
>> A student playing long -time fav Op.4,# 3 Etude (video)
>> :www.youtube.com/
> watch?v=knW-yv6i6z4&feature=related
>>
>> A brilliant young pianist in the Op.33 Etudes, leaves my
>> Rosenberger lp far
>> behind:www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTrCMohFGYY&feature=related�
> � � � � � (2
>> parts)
>>
>> Regards, Rugby
>
> I am not familier with Szymanowski's piano music that much,
> only have listened some of short pieces only. How about his
> piano sonatas? Worth investigating? Reommendations?
In general, I prefer the shorter works to the sonatas. You might try a mixed
recital, preferably one that includes Masques and Metopes. Anderszewski couples
those two works with the Sonata #3, and he plays superbly.
AC
Rugby
> FigaroRabbit <figaro.rab...@gmail.com> wrote innews:de7d9adb-66ee-41b6...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.c
And I should mention the Symphonie Concertante,for piano and
orchestra, often referred to as a "4th Symphony" or piano concerto,
which I do find very attractive.
Centaur Records has a very nice recording of this piano concerto
paired with the equally attractive 1st Violin Concerto. FWW.
Rugby
Alan Cooper
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> wrote:
>> FigaroRabbit <figaro.rab...@gmail.com> wrote
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> And I should mention the Symphonie Concertante,for piano and
> orchestra, often referred to as a "4th Symphony" or piano
> concerto, which I do find very attractive.
> Centaur Records has a very nice recording of this piano concerto
> paired with the equally attractive 1st Violin Concerto. FWW.
Yes, the Sinfonia concertante is a terrific piece, but I think the first
recommendation would be Andsnes's great recording with Rattle, which is now coupled
on a single mid-priced CD with Zehetmair playng both violin concerti. Best value of
all, however, might be the EMI 20th-Century Classics twofer featuring excellent
Polish performances of the violin concerti, the 3rd and 4th symphonies, and the
Stabat Mater (possibly Szymanowski's greatest work of all). But now we've strayed
from piano music altogether :-)
AC
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>> On Oct 7, 5:54�am, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>>> FigaroRabbit <figaro.rab...@gmail.com> wrote innews:de7d9adb-66ee-41b6-90
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>>
>> And I should mention the Symphonie Concertante,for piano and orchestra,
>> often referred to as a "4th Symphony" or piano concerto, which I do find
>> very attractive. Centaur Records has a very nice recording of this piano
>> concerto paired with the equally attractive 1st Violin Concerto. FWW.
>
> Yes, the Sinfonia concertante is a terrific piece, but I think the first
> recommendation would be Andsnes's great recording with Rattle, which is now
> coupled on a single mid-priced CD with Zehetmair playing both violin
> concerti.
There is another recording worth hearing, by an obscure pianist named
Rubinstein.
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Oscar Williamson
> FigaroRabbit <figaro.rab...@gmail.com> wrote innews:de7d9adb-66ee-41b6...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.c
I second Alan's recommendation. First stop for me was the 2005
Anderszewski disc on Virgin Classics. One of the best recital discs
of the decade, IMHO.
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>>> On Oct 7, 5:54�am, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> FigaroRabbit <figaro.rab...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> innews:de7d9adb-66ee-41b6-90
>>> b4-6f29...@x6g2000prc.googlegroups.c
>>>
>>> And I should mention the Symphonie Concertante,for piano and
>>> orchestra, often referred to as a "4th Symphony" or piano
>>> concerto, which I do find very attractive. Centaur Records has
>>> a very nice recording of this piano concerto paired with the
>>> equally attractive 1st Violin Concerto. FWW.
>>
>> Yes, the Sinfonia concertante is a terrific piece, but I think
>> the first recommendation would be Andsnes's great recording
>> with Rattle, which is now coupled on a single mid-priced CD
>> with Zehetmair playing both violin concerti.
>
> There is another recording worth hearing, by an obscure pianist
> named Rubinstein.
I have two of his, and of course they're great performances, but the recorded
sound precludes their being a first recommendation. Do you know why Rubinstein
didn't re-record the work in stereo, as was the case with so much of his
repertoire? Was that the pianist's decision or RCA's? The few Szymanowski solo
items in Rubinstein's discography are superb as well. If only there were more!
Perhaps saddest of all is the fact that his only recording with Kochanski was of a
Brahms sonata: the two greatest artists who were intimately associated with
Szymanowski recorded Brahms. Makes a lot of sense.
AC
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>>>>
>>>> And I should mention the Symphonie Concertante,for piano and
>>>> orchestra, often referred to as a "4th Symphony" or piano
>>>> concerto, which I do find very attractive. Centaur Records has
>>>> a very nice recording of this piano concerto paired with the
>>>> equally attractive 1st Violin Concerto. FWW.
>>>
>>> Yes, the Sinfonia concertante is a terrific piece, but I think
>>> the first recommendation would be Andsnes's great recording
>>> with Rattle, which is now coupled on a single mid-priced CD
>>> with Zehetmair playing both violin concerti.
>>
>> There is another recording worth hearing, by an obscure pianist
>> named Rubinstein.
>
> I have two of his, and of course they're great performances, but the
> recorded sound precludes their being a first recommendation. Do you know
> why Rubinstein didn't re-record the work in stereo, as was the case with
> so much of his repertoire? Was that the pianist's decision or RCA's?
I know I've mentioned this a few times over the years, but there *was* a
stereo re-make, during that season when AR did his "iron pianist" schtick and
played several weeks of evenings of three concerti in one night, under
various conductors, with midnight recording sessions afterwards. The New
York Philharmonic was under contract to Columbia, so was renamed the "RCA
Symphony Orchestra" for the releases.
Laszlo Varga (who was the principal cellist at the time) told me that the
Szymanowski was among the works played and recorded. I have no idea why the
stereo version was never released.
You mention you have "two of his"; is the other a live performance with
Rodzinski/NYP from 1943 on Dante?
> The few Szymanowski solo items in Rubinstein's discography are superb as
> well. If only there were more! Perhaps saddest of all is the fact that
> his only recording with Kochanski was of a Brahms sonata: the two
> greatest artists who were intimately associated with Szymanowski recorded
> Brahms. Makes a lot of sense.
Indeed.
Alan Cooper
> You mention you have "two of his"; is the other a live
> performance with Rodzinski/NYP from 1943 on Dante?
Yes. Are there any others?
AC
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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I know only of the unissued stereo remake, if it even still exists.
Allen
Back in the late 1970s, as I recall, the only Polish composers that I
was familiar with (other than Chopin) were Penderecki and Lutoslawski,
and in a very limited way, Szymanowski. Then Polska Nagrana (sp?) dumped
huge numbers of LPs into the market. One store in Austin bought a huge
number and priced them at a dollar or two. I couldn't resist and loaded
up with Bacewicz, Baird, Augustyn Bloch and some others, all of them
brand-new names to me. What a revelation it was! This was when Polish
jokes were rampant and it made me wonder who in hell started them; they
had obviously never heard any contemporary Polish music, nor anything
about their huge contributions in science and math. When they
transferred a lot of those discs to CD, I bought several of them, plus a
large number of ones that I hadn't found in the remainders. Poland is an
interesting country, having been controlled by other for so long. When
Penderecki's Te Deum (as I recall), on a government sponsored (in the
days of the Jaruzelski [pure guess at the spelling]) recording no less,
I was surprised to find, among all the movements sung in Latin, one that
was sung in Polish--the Solidarnosc anthem. I wonder what has happened
to Margaret Michulska, who used to post here--a fount of knowledge re
Polish music.
Allen
Oscar Williamson
music, I am still sifting through it all. Last night, I played a
couple discs, including part of the complete Szymanowski piano works
recorded by Jerzy Godziszewski. The four-disc set http://tiny.cc/r2MH9
is a re-release of a Polish Radio set from 1998. Available only in
Poland. Godziszewski also recorded an excellent disc http://tiny.cc/JZGTr
on Blüthner recital series on Hanssler (2009). He plays a few
Szymanowski pieces and some excellent Debussy, if I recall correctly.
It must be a Poland-only release, it's not even on the Blüthner web
site. http://tiny.cc/bq1tH I highly recommend both!
.
Matthew�B.�Tepper
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> On Polish composers in general--
> Back in the late 1970s, as I recall, the only Polish composers that I was
> familiar with (other than Chopin) were Penderecki and Lutoslawski, and in
> a very limited way, Szymanowski. Then Polska Nagrana (sp?) dumped huge
> numbers of LPs into the market. One store in Austin bought a huge number
> and priced them at a dollar or two. I couldn't resist and loaded up with
> Bacewicz, Baird, Augustyn Bloch and some others, all of them brand-new
> names to me. What a revelation it was! This was when Polish jokes were
> rampant and it made me wonder who in hell started them; they had
> obviously never heard any contemporary Polish music, nor anything about
> their huge contributions in science and math. When they transferred a lot
> of those discs to CD, I bought several of them, plus a large number of
> ones that I hadn't found in the remainders. Poland is an interesting
> country, having been controlled by other for so long. When Penderecki's
> Te Deum (as I recall), on a government sponsored (in the days of the
> Jaruzelski [pure guess at the spelling]) recording no less, I was
> surprised to find, among all the movements sung in Latin, one that was
> sung in Polish--the Solidarnosc anthem. I wonder what has happened to
> Margaret Michulska, who used to post here--a fount of knowledge re
> Polish music.
> Allen
When I was in college in San Francisco in the '70s, an L.A. Philharmonic
cellist named Wladyslaw Przybyla had a business on the side importing and
selling music scores from Poland. I bought a whole bunch of Penderecki
partitura, and a few Lutoslawski, from him. Getting to know the music from
recordings was, I think, an even richer experience when I could listen with
the scores in front of me.
Al Eisner
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> om:
>
>> I am not familier with Szymanowski's piano music that much,
>> only have listened some of short pieces only. How about his
>> piano sonatas? Worth investigating? Reommendations?
>
> In general, I prefer the shorter works to the sonatas. You might try a mixed
> recital, preferably one that includes Masques and Metopes. Anderszewski couples
> those two works with the Sonata #3, and he plays superbly.
>
> AC
I'm fond of the sonatas, especially #3, although to me Metopes is the most
magical of the piano works. As for the short works, I haven't warmed
much to the Mazurkas, but I've only heard the complete set in the
Martin Jones version. Is there any set that makes more of them?
(Too bad Rubinstein didn't go farther with them.)
--
Al Eisner
Rugby
Avoid Bingham at all costs in the Mazurkas. Rubinstein makes them, but
as you note only 4. Hamelin recorded them all ?
I have ordered Jones' Op.1 Preludes, a cd which also inlcudes the 3rd
Sonata. Thanks all for the reccomendations. At US $2.20 for a used
copy at Amazon -US , a no-brainer, ie right up my alley !
Rugby
Alan Cooper
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> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Alan Cooper wrote:
>
>> FigaroRabbit <figaro...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:de7d9adb-66ee-41b6...@x6g2000prc.googlegroup
>> s.c om:
>>
>>> I am not familier with Szymanowski's piano music that much,
>>> only have listened some of short pieces only. How about his
>>> piano sonatas? Worth investigating? Reommendations?
>>
>> In general, I prefer the shorter works to the sonatas. You
>> might try a mixed recital, preferably one that includes Masques
>> and Metopes. Anderszewski couples those two works with the
>> Sonata #3, and he plays superbly.
>>
>> AC
>
> I'm fond of the sonatas, especially #3, although to me Metopes
> is the most magical of the piano works. As for the short works,
> I haven't warmed much to the Mazurkas, but I've only heard the
> complete set in the Martin Jones version. Is there any set that
> makes more of them? (Too bad Rubinstein didn't go farther with
> them.)
Try Joanna Domanska on Olympia (op. 50 only). Currently available from BRO @
$8.99, so I wouldn't hesitate. My favorite complete set is Pawel Kamasa's on Koch
Schwann, but it would not be easy to find right now. I think the Jones set offers
excellent value, btw, although my first recommendation for the complete piano
music would be Sinae Lee. I still have Jones' wonderful Argo LP fromt the early
70s that includes Masques and Metopes. Listening to that record was a journey of
discovery for me.
AC
Al Eisner
I have the Jones set, and I'm generally quite happy with it. (I'm not
bothered by the problems with the sound which others have complained
about.) However, I'm not sure if my reaction to the Mazurkas (not
negative, simply less positive) is becauae of Jones or because I'm
simply not attuned to the works. I'll look into the options you
mentioned above, thanks.
--
Al Eisner
Rugby
>
> I have ordered Jones' Op.1 Preludes, a cd which also inlcudes the 3rd
> Sonata. Thanks all for the reccomendations. At US $2.20 for a used
> copy at Amazon -US , a no-brainer, ie right up my alley !
Well actually it was Martin Roscoe. A wonderful cd.Gorgeous late
Romantic Op.1 Preludes and Op.3 Variations, enigmatic Mazurkas,and the
stunning, mystical,Impressionistic, yet vibrant 3rd Sonata, more
attractive than the 2nd Sonata for me. And some at Amazon US for less
than $5 plus s&h. A great cd, especially if you are a Szymo fan.
Rugby
Oscar Williamson
On Oct 9, 7:41 pm, Alan Cooper <amcoo...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Try Joanna Domanska on Olympia (op. 50 only). Currently available from BRO @
> $8.99, so I wouldn't hesitate. My favorite complete set is Pawel Kamasa's on Koch
> Schwann, but it would not be easy to find right now. I think the Jones set offers
> excellent value, btw, although my first recommendation for the complete piano
> music would be Sinae Lee. I still have Jones' wonderful Argo LP fromt the early
> 70s that includes Masques and Metopes. Listening to that record was a journey of
> discovery for me.
>
> AC
I found a copy of Pawel Kamasa's mazurkas on Koch tonight at Amoeba.
Will give it a listen. Also, ordered Sinae Lee complete piano works.
churl...@yahoo.com
Doremi have recently issued a recital given on 26 November 1982 in Warsaw by Richter of Sonatas 2 and 3 (and the Mythes op 30 with Oleg Kagan). It is terrific and in good sound. Richter and Anderszewski share the palm in the third sonata. The second sonata can sound rambling and verbose and requires total commitment and authority. Only Richter succeeds in making it sound convincing.
These same Richter performances are shortly to be issued by Parnassus in a 2-CD set which will also include Songs with Pisarenko plus Masques 1 and 2 and a selecion of Mazurkas. The set is due out at the end of January so it may be worth waiting for that instead of buying the Doremi release.