Natalia González wrote:
> Hi
>
> Who could please give me a piece of advice about getting a recording of the
> two books of Bach's well tempered clavier in piano... Is Glenn Gould the
> best one of all?
Desde luego que no Natalia. Para el primer libro te recomiendo Evgeny Koroliov
(Tacet)
como la interpretacion mas profunda que he escuchado. Para el sugundo libro me
gusta mucho Friedrich Gulda (Philips), en una interpretacion menos profunda
pero no menos interesante. Desde luego que esto seria una mezcla de
interpretaciones y si te interesa tener ambos libros por el mismo pianista, mi
primera recomendacion seria Sviatoslav Richter (RCA).
Que los disfrutes,
Ramon Khalona
Carlsbad, California
I refer you to previous, exhaustive threads about the WTC. Suffice it
to say that (1) there is no such thing as a "best" WTC, and (2) a lot
of people here, including myself, like Feinberg a lot.
Marc Perman
Well, I think so, though it does have its eccentricities...
My favorite in the "least like Glenn Gould" category would be Joao
Carlos Martins' recording, which is frequently available at Berkshire
for a very reasonable price.
John Harkness
I don't know what the prices are in Argentina or the USA, but here Richter's
recording of the well-tempered clavier on 4 CDs is here in Holland a
superbargain: 40 Dfl ($ 15)
Benjo Maso
Thanks,
Bob
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Though she is actively disliked by many on this list, I'll still
nominate this year's reissue of Rosalyn Tureck's WTCs as the touchstone
piano recording of this work. Lousy sound, though. I also like the
quite different approach of Edward Aldwell, and certainly would not argue
with anyone who preferred Richter. Any and all approaches to this work
by great musicians are equally valid; unlike the tinklings of Chopin and
Schumann, this music transcends mere interpretation. It's the closest
thing to pure music you're likely to find.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
It sounds very much the same (this based on sampling the two at different
times; I own the BMG). The basic acoustic is established by the church in
which the recording was made.
I have never myself found any difficulty in hearing anything in this
recording. The resonant acoustic gives the performance an added warm
glow, which you may not like. But I can hear every note.
--
Tony Movshon
mov...@nyu.edu
Of course, any account is aided by Inspired Listening. That's why Tureck's
versions have admirers. That may be why I enjoy Nikolayeva's and Schepkin's
accounts.
bl
Even though I generally like Gould, I was not satisfied with his WTC
Book II. So, I tried Martins. Second your recommendation.
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Is there anyone out there who knows these recordings or, better yet, heard him
play this work in the 60s?
Allan Kohrman
Newton, MA
Another great one is harpsichordist Robert Edward Smith, who performs on
a fabulous Eric Herz harpsichord with 7 pedal stops and and deep 16 foot
stop.
Because my knowledge of Hispanic language is not that strong, I
confidently used my 2000$ "Translarobot"--see the results...:
Mr. Khalona:
[w. translation]
>> Desde luego que no Natalia.
Your disdain is out of place, Natalia.
>> Para el primer libro te recomiendo Evgeny Koroliov (Tacet)
First-class choped liver is Koroliov (and keep quiet when I'm talking).
>> como la interpretacion mas profunda que he escuchado.
His pretty interplay is a profusive, over-cooked mass-pleaser.
>> Para el sugundo libro me gusta mucho Friedrich Gulda,
I am disgusted by the "macho" Friedrich Gulda,
>> en una interpretacion menos profunda pero no menos interesante.
a tepid-pretty purveyance deprived of Peruvian male inner santity.
>> Desde luego que esto seria una mezcla de interpretaciones
East Dresden is the place with serious distillations of mescal,
>> y si te interesa tener ambos libros por el mismo pianista,
but if M. Teresa's liberal goal is amber for the poor miasmic pianists
>> mi primera recomendacion seria Sviatoslav Richter (RCA).
I'll have to seriously warn you on the first-class serial killer Richter.
>> Que los disfrutes
If you don't like my advice, you can throw rotten vegetables in the
windows of my Carlsbad residence.
A brilliant translation from the Romanian! Do you read Spanish, too?
> Because my knowledge of Hispanic language is not that strong, I
> confidently used my 2000$ "Translarobot"--see the results...:
>
>
> Mr. Khalona:
> [w. translation]
>
>
> >> Desde luego que no Natalia.
>
> Your disdain is out of place, Natalia.
>
>
> >> Para el primer libro te recomiendo Evgeny Koroliov (Tacet)
>
> First-class choped liver is Koroliov (and keep quiet when I'm talking).
>
>
> >> como la interpretacion mas profunda que he escuchado.
>
> His pretty interplay is a profusive, over-cooked mass-pleaser.
>
>
> >> Para el sugundo libro me gusta mucho Friedrich Gulda,
>
> I am disgusted by the "macho" Friedrich Gulda,
>
>
> >> en una interpretacion menos profunda pero no menos interesante.
>
> a tepid-pretty purveyance deprived of Peruvian male inner santity.
>
>
> >> Desde luego que esto seria una mezcla de interpretaciones
>
> East Dresden is the place with serious distillations of mescal,
>
>
> >> y si te interesa tener ambos libros por el mismo pianista,
>
> but if M. Teresa's liberal goal is amber for the poor miasmic pianists
>
>
> >> mi primera recomendacion seria Sviatoslav Richter (RCA).
>
> I'll have to seriously warn you on the first-class serial killer Richter.
>
>
> >> Que los disfrutes
>
> If you don't like my advice, you can throw rotten vegetables in the
> windows of my Carlsbad residence.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
Is this the same Herz harpsichord Smith uses on his recording of Bach
"harpsichord in the grand manner" collection on Wildboar?
--Jeff
Bob Harper
Yes, it's the same Herz, but on the Wildboar it is miked too closely and
sounds overbearing. Towerhill captured it much more flatteringly.
I was happy to sell the bargain copy of Richter's WTC that I bought at
Fame in Amsterdam for a slight profit here in the US - I actively
disliked Richter's slightly idiosynratic playing in the work - in
small doses it worked, but over four hours Richter wore me down.
Marc Perman
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Because my knowledge of Hispanic language is not that strong, I
confidently used my 2000$ "Translarobot"--see the results...:
Mr. Khalona:
> Watch out, Simon; Bob is showing signs of becoming your disciple.
Do you know any better way to get quick access to the maligned (but
secretely longed for) Inner Circle?
On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 21:36:56 GMT, John Thomas <jwt...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>In article <Pine.GSO.4.10.100120...@ux13.cso.uiuc.edu>,
>samir golescu <gol...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>A brilliant translation from the Romanian! Do you read Spanish, too?
>
>> Because my knowledge of Hispanic language is not that strong, I
>> confidently used my 2000$ "Translarobot"--see the results...:
>>
>>
Regards,
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A little behind the curve, Cliff -- I recommended Martins in the post
Andy was responding to.
: I don't know that many of us 'actively dislike Rosalyn Tureck'; it's her
: recordings of the WTC that are subpar. I also question whether 'this music
: transcends mere interpretation'. Tureck's accounts belie that judgment.
: Actually, it seems to be easy to turn the WTC into a boring mass of
: insufficiently related notes. Inspired musicianship is required, be the
: musician 'great', or merely competent.
Maybe not many; I actively loathe most of them, especially the
Penguin-rosetted Goldbergs.
Simon
Agree. Those who don't have it and want to remedy the situation might
like to know that Berkshire currently has Nikolayeva's at a very good
price. And I'll add another vote for what seems to be the consensus
view, that the Pearl transfer of Fischer's is better than the first EMI
(and it scores over the second EMI by virtue of its fillers).
Simon
: Because my knowledge of Hispanic language is not that strong, I
: confidently used my 2000$ "Translarobot"--see the results...:
[snip]
Excellent!
Real translations can be good too. If Newsweek is to be believed, the
following are translations back into English of attempts to translate
"chad" (as in Florida election nonsense):
Spanish: Eyelashes that can be perforated
German: Pregnant hole
French: Confetti with dimples
Italian: Pregnant coupon
Mandarin: Pregnant holecrumbs
Simon
> "John Thomas" <jwt...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:jwthom-73F20A....@news.earthlink.net...
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:34:31 -0300, "Natalia González"
> > <natal...@ciudad.com.ar> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Who could please give me a piece of advice about getting a recording
> > > of
> > > the two books of Bach's well tempered clavier in piano... Is Glenn
> > > Gould
> the
> > >best one of all?
> > > > >
> >
> > Though she is actively disliked by many on this list, I'll still
> > nominate this year's reissue of Rosalyn Tureck's WTCs as the touchstone
> > piano recording of this work. Lousy sound, though. I also like the
> > quite different approach of Edward Aldwell, and certainly would not
> > argue
> > with anyone who preferred Richter. Any and all approaches to this work
> > by great musicians are equally valid; unlike the tinklings of Chopin and
> > Schumann, this music transcends mere interpretation. It's the closest
> > thing to pure music you're likely to find.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > John Thomas
> >
> I don't know that many of us 'actively dislike Rosalyn Tureck'; it's her
> recordings of the WTC that are subpar. I also question whether 'this music
> transcends mere interpretation'. Tureck's accounts belie that judgment.
> Actually, it seems to be easy to turn the WTC into a boring mass of
> insufficiently related notes. Inspired musicianship is required, be the
> musician 'great', or merely competent.
Balderdash.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
Watch out, Simon; Bob is showing signs of becoming your disciple.
--
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John Thomas
Ask him about the Second Amendment....
Simon
You've just added another CD to my shopping list. May I send you the bill?
--Jeff
--Jeff
I'm afraid he'd shoot me.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
I agree. If you're going to have only one WTC (piano transcription), it
should definitely be Feinberg's. I am also very fond of Colin Tilney's
set on Hyperion (on clavichord and harpsichord). The old Edwin Fischer
set remains surprisingly competitive after so many decades and so many
changes in Bach interpretation. He was not a flashy pianist, but there's
soul in these recordings (obvious only after repeated hearing). And let
me, once again, recommend Horszowski's Book I, another sleeper that
reveals its splendor on repeated hearing.
As to Schiff, I don't think he improved on Gould, or even equalled the
Canadian's considerable achievement. It's as fleet-fingered as Gould but
without the strong personality. Martins is better than both, a true
piano transcription with a strong modernistic perspective. I think Bach
would have liked all the interpretive licenses that Joao Carlos takes.
It's exciting stuff.
I am not fond of Richter, despite the dazzling pianism. It's a cold
performance.
Regards,
MrT
> The old Edwin Fischer
> set remains surprisingly competitive after so many decades and so many
> changes in Bach interpretation. He was not a flashy pianist, but there's
> soul in these recordings (obvious only after repeated hearing).
I recently bought the Naxos transfer of WTC1 and was initially put off
by the speed and brittle sound of #1; now I have found, after repeated
hearings (I'm listening right now), that's it's really grown on me. No
one who loves this music should miss this recording. I'm looking forward
to Naxos II, but I wonder if there's a more recommendable transfer
available.
--
Regards,
John Thomas
"John Thomas" <jwt...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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As to owning just one WTC, my choice would be Gould, but the task is
impossible. I need also Feinberg, Landowska, Nikolayeva, and an as yet
unrecorded modern harpsichord version for which Smith might tentatively stand
in.
Tureck's 50's version, Hoszowski, Loesser, Richter (live), Fischer, and other
lesser lights all live happily on my shelves, but the prior paragraph gives my
essential versions.
Tooter
I have to agree: Tureck is insufferably dull. I can't understand her renown
at all. I can only suppose that people who think Bach is ponderous and
boring like Tureck's boring and ponderous playing. Gould is often maddingly
idiosyncratic, but ALWAYS interesting. Richter's recording is all about
subtle and colorful piano playing, but only incidentally about Bach; if you
want Bach to sound like Debussy this is the one to get.
Tom Wood
John Harkness
Simon Roberts wrote:
Fischer gives me the impression of an old professor with chalk and dandruff on
the shoulders of his tweed jacket lecturing about "poetry" and "spirituality".
I find all of the others mentioned much better.
Alain
> Fischer gives me the impression of an old professor with chalk and dandruff
> on the shoulders of his tweed jacket lecturing about "poetry" and
> "spirituality".
What an enchanting imagery! What about the old wunderkind (enfant terrible?)
Glennie (hairy "X"-shaped legs in short pants), throwing with fugues in
the neighbors' windows?
regards,
SG
: Fischer gives me the impression of an old professor with chalk and dandruff on
: the shoulders of his tweed jacket lecturing about "poetry" and "spirituality".
: I find all of the others mentioned much better.
Would you say that if you had never seen a photograph of him?
I shudder to think what impressions Ms Tureck's performances conjure up.
Simon
Actually I have recently listened to some live recs. (Liszt, imagine!!) of
a very young Tureck, not bad, and the young "Rosalinda"'s photo
accompanying the issue was pretty nice, anyway, not
"shudderity"-inducing.
The photo on her reissued 1953 WTC recordings is from the same period,
and may persuade those who judge artists by their personal appearance to
give them a hearing. I can see Ms Mutter's man's-shirt-and-tie photo
being trotted out 30 years from now to validate the reissue of her
by-then classic "Four Seasons" ;-)
--
Regards,
John Thomas
...with a new meaning bestowed upon (by then) the historical acronym HIP.
>
>
>I don't know what the prices are in Argentina or the USA, but here Richter's
>recording of the well-tempered clavier on 4 CDs is here in Holland a
>superbargain: 40 Dfl ($ 15)
>
>Benjo Maso
>
Hello,
I am interested in getting the Richter WTC. Would you be so kind as
to send me the label and number of the Dutch issue.
Thanks
John
BMG/RCA Victor Gold Seal GD60949
The label is: RCA Victor Gold Seal (distributed by BMG Ariola)
number: GD 60949 (4 CD's).
It's not a special Dutch issue. An cooperative organisation of Dutch
(classical) records shops (VKZ - Vereniging Klassieke Zaken
http://www.klassiekezaken.nl) offered this set for around $16. During this
month (december) they offer it again, for the same price.
Also during this month they repeat their special offers of:
- Peter Wispelwey "Milestones" (concerts by Dvorak, Elgar, Haydn,
Lutoslawski, and other works by Haydn, Schumann, Hindemith, Dvorak, Arensky
en Davidov) 4 CD's for around $20
- Beethoven string quartets by the Alban Berg Quartet (EMI studio
recordings) 7 CD's for around $20
- Mozart piano sonates by Brautigam (BIS) 6 CD's for around $20
- Haydn piano trios by the Beaux Arts Trio (Philips) 9 CD's for around $25
Jan Depondt
(Classical Budget cd's in Holland http://home.wanadoo.nl/jdpt/ )
How could I forget the Mozart piano concertos by Perahia (Sony) 10 CD's for
around $28, until january 19, 2001?
What do you mean? You're not
following the US elections ?!?
:)
dk
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
She wasn't bad looking in her young(er) days.
Samir should know about that -- ask him :)
You really mean "to market her classic 120 Seasons"?
That's cheating :)
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It's absolutely NOT necessary to subscribe or have a membership (they like
us to subscribe to their magazine, that can found free in the record shops,
that's all).
You should inform about availability online by informing by e-mail or by
ordering. Several of these shops have online facilities. If it's permitted,
I would like to advise you to have a look at my site, on the page
"Adressen". There you can make your choice out of the "VKZ-winkelier"s, for
example:
- Den Haag (The Hague): Caminada (http://www.caminada.nl/)
- Amsterdam: Kuijper Klassiek (http://www.kuijperklassiek.nl/), often
recommended in this ng.
I hope you'll succeed this way, but hurry. The Perahia set is available in
abundance, and all the other sets are still available too. I should not know
why this shops should not want to sell online; they made their websites for
that purpose.
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And feel free to ask me more (by e-mail seems to be the best) if you have
problems with texts in Dutch.
Jan Depondt
Regards
Kempff does seven Preludes and Fugues from Book I (BWV 849, 854 to 859), and
five from Book II (BWV 872, 875, 876, 884 and 893) on a DG Double I have. He
doesn't bore me, which is always possible, especially with Book II.
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The DG Bach Masterpieces budget-priced series single CD (463 020-2) I
spoke of, has 18 of the Preludes and Fugues from Book I.
For the last 5 years my favorites have been
Feinberg for home listening and John Lewis
(MJQ) for driving.
dk
> For the last 5 years my favorites have been
> Feinberg for home listening and John Lewis
> (MJQ) for driving.
Um... did anybody dare let you drive w/ him/her in the car while you were
listening to that? If yes, what an admirable, brave, enduring person
he/she has to be!
regards,
SG
(-;
I'm looking for a WTC that doesn't put me to sleep - maybe the above
pianists are the answer.
Presumably, Mr. Koren drives a well tempered automobile.
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