Australian Eloquence
Randy Lane
I am sure the exchange rate is hurting their business, at least as far
as USA sales are concerned. It was only I think two years ago that the
standard pricing in USD for their releases was just over (or under)
$7. It is now $9.50+.
I say this, and "wonder", because they took the month of August off as
far as new releases are concerned, and have yet to post their next
release info. And, I have not seen any more of their Ansermet series
in at least 7-8 months now. A few months ago I was informed a new set
of Ansermet releases would be forthcoming, including the Honegger Le
Roi David. But it has yet to be announced.
I sure do pray that the economic woes don't kill off this line.
Eloquence is one of the bright spots out there in this business. While
Universal, EMI, and Sony just repackage the same old stuff at ever
declining prices, these guys at least plumb the depths of the catalog
occassionally for buried treasure. Granted, there are a few new
catalog releases from the majors sometimes, like the forthcoming Liszt
Legacy box, but Eloquence has been a far more reliable source of
quality "new" stuff than the majors for many years.
makropulos
Hopefully it's just one the breaks from releases that Eloquence has
characteristically taken over the last few years (for instance in 2009
they went for several months without any new CDs). The latest batch of
vocal recitals includes some typically interesting material.
makropulos
Just to add - "they" (Eloquence) is essentially "he" (Cyrus Meher-
Homji) - it's more or less a one-man operation, though with the
cooperation of Universal. So he's probably taking a well-deserved
vacation.
Matthew B. Tepper
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As do I - one of the more interesting of the reissue CD firms - often with
previously unreleased CD material. Wagner Fan
Allen
> I wonder what's up with Australian Eloquence?
>
> I am sure the exchange rate is hurting their business, at least as far
> as USA sales are concerned. It was only I think two years ago that the
> standard pricing in USD for their releases was just over (or under)
From the dim, dark recesses of my mind I seem to recall an employee of
a bricks and mortar store told me that this was because they changed US
distributors. Anyone have any knowledge (pro or con) about this?
Allen
>
<snip>
Randy Lane
These are prices if you purchase directly from Buywell.com, not a USA
retailer.
wkasimer
> These are prices if you purchase directly from Buywell.com, not a USA
> retailer.
They're often cheaper when bought from Amazon Marketplace sellers.
Bill
J
of Glazunov, Glinka and Liadov from Presto. Six discs in all cost me
(IIRC) $36 *with* the shipping. The Russian set seems to be the only
available recording of the orchestration of Schumann's "Carnaval" (by
Glazunov et al), which is not as interesting as I'd hoped it might be,
but I have always had a fond spot in my heart for the Suisse Romande
"Seasons." (I love the way they galumph into that last movement!)
My other favorite Eloquence set is the only CD version of the
Sutherland-Bonynge BEGGAR'S OPERA. It's spectacularly in-authentic,
and wonderfully cast, and the reissue includes a complete libretto.
If I didn't have four Beethoven symphony cycles already, I'd probably
be getting the Ansermet, but I still may succumb to the Brahms...
pianomaven
> I wonder what's up with Australian Eloquence?
>
> I am sure the exchange rate is hurting their business, at least as far
> as USA sales are concerned. It was only I think two years ago that the
> standard pricing in USD for their releases was just over (or under)
> $7. It is now $9.50+.
Gosh.
Do you think you can afford that extre two bucks fifty? Maybe you'll
have to start a paper route. Hold on. Newspapers are on the way out.
Well, a peanut stand?
You can blame the price increase on Dubya, whose economic policies -
two unpaid for wars, an unfunded drug benefit programme, and lower
taxes for the rich - have almost bankrupted the US economy. Remember
Bill Clinton? Ah, the good old days when America wasn't at war, had a
strong currency, and Eloquence CDs only cost 6 bucks.
Where are the snows of yesteryear?
TD
Alan Cooper
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com:
> On Aug 30, 9:55 am, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wonder what's up with Australian Eloquence?
>>
>> I am sure the exchange rate is hurting their business, at least
>> as far as USA sales are concerned. It was only I think two
>> years ago that the standard pricing in USD for their releases
>> was just over (or under) $7. It is now $9.50+.
>
> Gosh.
>
> Do you think you can afford that extre two bucks fifty? Maybe
> you'll have to start a paper route. Hold on. Newspapers are on
> the way out. Well, a peanut stand?
You have to watch out for the nut vendors:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/22/nyregion/22NUTS2.html
> You can blame the price increase on Dubya, whose economic
> policies - two unpaid for wars, an unfunded drug benefit
> programme, and lower taxes for the rich - have almost bankrupted
> the US economy. Remember Bill Clinton? Ah, the good old days
> when America wasn't at war, had a strong currency, and Eloquence
> CDs only cost 6 bucks.
I'll refrain from political commentary, except to say that the shrinking dollar has
had a significant effect on my overseas purchases. Australian Eloquence is far from
the worst case. Consider Japan: in June 2007 the dollar peaked at around 123 yen,
and it sits today at about 77. While the price of Denon's excellent bargain reissues
has remained constant @ 1000 yen per CD, the corresponding dollar price has risen
from a little over $8 to about $13. Fuggedabout the full- and premium-priced stuff.
Totally off-topic, a nice site that lets you chart currency relationships over time
is http://www.oanda.com/currency/historical-rates/
AC
M forever
Can someone explain to me what the point of Australian Eloquence is?
Why don't they just import the titles they want to release?
Matthew B. Tepper
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> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> Homji) - it's more or less a one-man operation, though with the
>>> cooperation of Universal. So he's probably taking a well-deserved
>>> vacation.
>>
>> I hope he returns well-rested and with renewed vigor, ready to
>> continue.
>
> As do I - one of the more interesting of the reissue CD firms - often
> with previously unreleased CD material. Wagner Fan
If only the other labels had "rogue divisions" that would do exactly the
same thing he is doing!
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than left-wing social engineering. I don’t think imposing radical
change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free
society to operate. I think we need a national conversation to get
to a better Medicare system with more choices for seniors." Former
Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich on "Meet the Press" 15 May 2011
Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employers.
Gerard
Who is "they"?
makropulos
But from whom would they import them? A lot of the Australian
Eloquence titles are only issued by Australian Eloquence. While
Universal in Europe has quite an active reissue programme, this now
seems to be mostly box sets, and it doesn't maintain a budget label of
several hundred titles with a lot of unusual and/or older material.
But Australian Eloquence does, so we import them all back again. So
I'd say there's a lot of point to Australian Eloquence - nobody else
in the Universal group is doing what it does.
M forever
I see. Thanks for explaining that. The other question I had was how
much of a classical market is there in Australia? It's a huge country
but the population is only 22 million or so, and how "big" is
"classical" music in Australia?
makropulos
Interesting question - presumably a market was identified there in the
first place or the thing wouldn't have happened, but my guess would be
that a substantial part of their business is exports to Europe and the
US.
Matthew B. Tepper
And largely re-re-re-re-re-re-re.
>> > and it doesn't maintain a budget label of several hundred titles with
>> > a lot of unusual and/or older material. But Australian Eloquence does,
>> > so we import them all back again. So I'd say there's a lot of point to
>> > Australian Eloquence - nobody else in the Universal group is doing
>> > what it does.
>>
>> I see. Thanks for explaining that. The other question I had was how
>> much of a classical market is there in Australia? It's a huge country
>> but the population is only 22 million or so, and how "big" is
>> "classical" music in Australia?
>
> Interesting question - presumably a market was identified there in the
> first place or the thing wouldn't have happened, but my guess would be
> that a substantial part of their business is exports to Europe and the
> US.
You'd think the domestic end would have learned by now, but noOOOOooooo....
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Dave Cook
> I am sure the exchange rate is hurting their business, at least as far
> as USA sales are concerned.
I bet they sell a lot to the Far East market.
Dave Cook
Christopher Webber
> I bet they sell a lot to the Far East market.
I think your bet's correct.
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pianomaven
> On 2011-08-30, Randy Lane <randy.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am sure the exchange rate is hurting their business, at least as far
> > as USA sales are concerned.
>
> I bet they sell a lot to the Far East market.
The Far East is precisely who has already paid the remastering costs
for many Eloquence releases. Japan in particular, but also Hong Kong.
TD
AcousticLevitation.org
> On Aug 31, 4:29 am, Dave Cook <davec...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> > I bet they sell a lot to the Far East market.
>
> The Far East is precisely who has already paid the remastering costs
> for many Eloquence releases. Japan in particular, but also Hong Kong.
>
> TD
Hi Everyone,
Yes, although from what I read (and I forget where- Fanfare perhaps?)
none of the Australian Eloquence issues are remastered. They're taken
straight from the original Universal European masterings, many of them
still available used on Double Deccas and the like.
Also, in response to M's original question of "Why..." isn't Australia
importing these instead, as I understand it, Eloquence is not part of
Universal, but an independent company started up in order to reissue
out of print titles from Universal. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I miss my first discovery of Australian Eloquence via Amazon vendors,
where most issues cost me $5 + $3 shipping, or $8+ for the 2-disc
sets. Then I saw the Buywell site which had them soooo cheap even
considering the shipping from Australia. In my typical obsessive
fashion, I went through their entire catalog, making the lists,
checking twice, finding which discs were naughty or nice. Had my eye
on about 50 of 'em. When I finally got to the end, the prices had
shot up and whick made my list greatly shrink, easier to buy one by
one via Amazon vendors.
I'm back home now from "mandatory evacuation" from the hurricane. My
place in Sheepshead Bay (Brooklyn) fared well with nary a scratch, but
fifty feet away two trees were uprooted.
Yrs,
Steve
wkasimer
wrote:
> Yes, although from what I read (and I forget where- Fanfare perhaps?)
> none of the Australian Eloquence issues are remastered. They're taken
> straight from the original Universal European masterings, many of them
> still available used on Double Deccas and the like.
What about the items that have never been on CD before, like the
recently issued Slobodskaya, or the Tom Krause Sibelius disc (one of
my favorites)?
Bill
Oscar
>
> > Yes, although from what I read (and I forget where- Fanfare perhaps?)
> > none of the Australian Eloquence issues are remastered. They're taken
> > straight from the original Universal European masterings, many of them
> > still available used on Double Deccas and the like.
>
> What about the items that have never been on CD before, like the
> recently issued Slobodskaya, or the Tom Krause Sibelius disc (one of
> my favorites)?
Although uncredited, Paschal Byrne at the Audio Archive Company in
London is responsible for remastering most (all?) of The Eloquence
titles, including fresh analog-to-digital transfers. He has also
worked on numerous archival rock reissues in the past for Universal
Music Group, including a slew of prog rock titles from the Decca
vault.
Abbeddrose Bierce
<oscaredwar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Although uncredited, Paschal Byrne at the Audio Archive Company in
>London is responsible for remastering most (all?) of The Eloquence
>titles, including fresh analog-to-digital transfers. He has also
>worked on numerous archival rock reissues in the past for Universal
>Music Group, including a slew of prog rock titles from the Decca
>vault.
Just what we need, a rock guy to master classical. That explains much
Abbedd
Gerard
>
>
> Just what we need, a rock guy to master classical. That explains much
>
AFAIK his work sounds a lot better than yours.
How could that happen?
Allen
Boston Chamber Players' Histoire du Soldat?
Allen
AcousticLevitation.org
Dear Oscar,
Thanks for this information. It's good to know.
Yrs,
Steve
TariffMan
Maybe you are ignorant deaf, a dutchbag or all of the above
Abbedd
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Norman Schwartz
> Yes, although from what I read (and I forget where- Fanfare perhaps?)
> none of the Australian Eloquence issues are remastered. They're taken
> straight from the original Universal European masterings, many of them
> still available used on Double Deccas and the like.
>
I must be missing something (actually and as per usual, quite a lot these
days), however Australian Eloquence appears to issue 'Universal' material
that has never been issued before, or perhaps even ever been 'digitized',
e.g., the complete Schubert Symphonies and Rosamunde excerpts performed by
Mehta/IPO. Symphonies ## 1 and 9 have both appeared on Eloquence, but none
any of the remaining material: Amazon ASINs; B0050TOTWQ and B0050TOVTM.
Other Mehta recordings including the Schumann Symphonies with the Vienna
Phil, Orchestral version of the Mendelssohn Octet (IPO) include descriptions
such as "First International Release on CD" and/or "First Release on CD of
all of Zubin Mehta's Schumann Recordings for Decca". Eloquence seems to have
a Mehta appreciation, releasing a number of his performances and under the
heading, "Zubin Mehta, the Decca years".
Does anyone know the Eloquence source materials for any of the above? Are
they provided or given access to Universal magnetic or digital tapes or CDs?
Eloquence, unlike ArkivMusic doesn't simply release copies of OOP CDs, plus
they are all pressed CDs.
Gerard
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 17:38:34 +0200, "Gerard"
> <ghend_no_s...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Abbeddrose Bierce wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just what we need, a rock guy to master classical. That explains
> > > much
> > >
> >
> > AFAIK his work sounds a lot better than yours.
> > How could that happen?
>
>
> Maybe you are ignorant deaf, a dutchbag or all of the above
>
>
Above what? Your head?
Russ (not Martha)
wrote:
he left the audio in.
Russ (not Martha)
Abbeddrose Bierce
Music not audio
Abbedd
Steve de Mena
> On Aug 31, 8:27 am, pianomaven<1pianoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 31, 4:29 am, Dave Cook<davec...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>>> I bet they sell a lot to the Far East market.
>>
>> The Far East is precisely who has already paid the remastering costs
>> for many Eloquence releases. Japan in particular, but also Hong Kong.
>>
>> TD
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Yes, although from what I read (and I forget where- Fanfare perhaps?)
> none of the Australian Eloquence issues are remastered. They're taken
> straight from the original Universal European masterings, many of them
> still available used on Double Deccas and the like.
You read wrong. Sure, probably a good 90-95% have been remastered and
issued somewhere else, but there are gems here and there on CD for the
FIRST TIME. They usually clearly mark these on the back. (And I
don't mean "First International Release on CD", but an actual "First
Release on CD")
Steve
Steve de Mena
> Or v. Donanyi's Vienna Firebird--my favorite of all recordings of
> it;
Wasn't that a straight reissue of a European Decca?
http://www.amazon.com/Firebird-Suite-Stravinsky/dp/B00000E41U
Steve
Steve de Mena
The Mendelssohn Octet with Mehta and the IPO was in a prior big
Mendelssohn box set in Australia. I got that information from Cyrus
himself a few years ago. (He had done that reissue too, prior to the
"Eloquence" series. I've never seen it anywhere)
I think the Schuberts all had prior rare CD issues at some point. But
not the Schumann/VPO/Mehta.
Cyrus was friends with Zubin's father, I believe, or another relative
of Zubin. That helps to explain why so much Mehta has been released
on Australian Eloquence.
Steve
Allen
Allen
Gerard
Steve was pointing to a CD release.
Alan Cooper
news:eo-dney4BfRPcMPT...@giganews.com:
It may be possible to reconcile the alternatives based on what Oscar wrote in an
earlier post. Could it be that Eloquence uses some remasterings that were
prepared *for* Universal, but not necessarily issued previously *by* them? Oscar,
would you clarify?
AC
Norman Schwartz
>> Yes, although from what I read (and I forget where- Fanfare perhaps?)
>> none of the Australian Eloquence issues are remastered. They're
>> taken straight from the original Universal European masterings, many
>> of them still available used on Double Deccas and the like.
>
> You read wrong. Sure, probably a good 90-95% have been remastered and
> issued somewhere else, but there are gems here and there on CD for the
> FIRST TIME. They usually clearly mark these on the back. (And I
> don't mean "First International Release on CD", but an actual "First
> Release on CD")
>
Mehta's IPO Schubert Symphonies are marked "First International Release on
CD". The booklets indicate "Remastering: Audio Archiving Company, London,
UK. I suppose that's where their original analog source was 'digitized'. His
recording of orchestral version of the Mendelssohn Octet was a digial
recording to begin with.
> Steve
Norman Schwartz
>
> The Mendelssohn Octet with Mehta and the IPO was in a prior big
> Mendelssohn box set in Australia. I got that information from Cyrus
> himself a few years ago. (He had done that reissue too, prior to the
> "Eloquence" series. I've never seen it anywhere)
>
I have it on a London digital LP, LDR 10009, as well as the Eloquence CD,
"Decca 4800813" which also contains Mahler's orchestral version of LvB's Op.
95 String Quartet, performed by Christoph von Dohnanyi/Wiener
Philharmoniker. This disc inicates 'DDD'.
> I think the Schuberts all had prior rare CD issues at some point. But
> not the Schumann/VPO/Mehta.
>
> Cyrus was friends with Zubin's father, I believe, or another relative
> of Zubin. That helps to explain why so much Mehta has been released
> on Australian Eloquence.
Well, that surely goes a long way.
>
> Steve
Matthew B. Tepper
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That, and the fact that Mehta made a lot of really fine recordings here in
Los Angeles.
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Al Eisner
> I wonder what's up with Australian Eloquence?
>
> I am sure the exchange rate is hurting their business, at least as far
> as USA sales are concerned. It was only I think two years ago that the
> standard pricing in USD for their releases was just over (or under)
> $7. It is now $9.50+.
Two years? That can largely be accounted for by exchange rate. You can
use this link to do calculations for past dates:
http://www.x-rates.com/cgi-bin/hlookup.cgi. For example, the cost of
an Australian dollar in American dollars has gone up by nearly
30% between Sept. 1, 2009 and Sept. 1, 2011.
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> Cyrus (Meher-Homji) was friends with Zubin's father, I believe, or another relative
> of Zubin. That helps to explain why so much Mehta has been released
> on Australian Eloquence.
>
> Steve
I don't think it would be a wild guess to surmise that Cyrus Meher-
Homji is a Parsi, as is Zubin Mehta. The Parsis are the descendants
of Zoroastrians who fled Iran in the 10th century for the more
tolerant shores of the West coast of India. There they prospered,
Westernized, with the advent of the British, and founded some of the
largest Indian companies. They are sometimes loosely referred to as
the "Jews of India," although they were never persecuted.
Wikipedia tells you more than you would have ever hoped to know,
(including their rather odd method of disposing of their dead):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsi
<<It has been traditional, in Mumbai and Karachi at least, for dead
Parsis to be taken to the Towers of Silence where the corpses would
quickly be eaten by the city's vultures. The reason given for this
practice is that earth, fire and water are all considered as sacred
elements, which should not be defiled by the dead. Therefore, burial
and cremation have always been prohibited in Parsi culture. The
problem today though is that in Mumbai and Karachi the population of
vultures has been drastically reduced, due to extensive urbanization,
as well as due to poisoning by the anti-inflammatory drug diclofenac
which is often given to humans and cattle. As a result, the bodies of
the deceased are taking much longer to decompose and this has upset
certain sectors of the community. Solar panels have been installed in
the Towers of Silence to speed up the decomposition process but this
has only been partially successful. There is a debate raging among the
community as to whether the prohibition on burials and cremations
should not be lifted.>>
I have never ordered from the Eloquent Australian, but I sometimes
wonder if Zubie Baby ever felt a certain frisson when he made his
(two?) recordings of "Also Sprach Zarathustra."
M forever
Why would he? Nietzsche's Zarathustra doesn't have all that much to do
with the historical Zarathustra/Zoroaster. The book isn't about that
religion, Nietzsche just borrowed the name because he thought that the
historical figure was a pioneering thinker in his day. And the music
in turn doesn't have that much to do with the book, it's merely
loosely inspired by it. So it's not a musical setting of a religious
theme, as you seem to think.
Steve de Mena
There was nothing to "reconcile" from Oscar's post. He simply
mentioned the mastering service they used, which are uncredited on the
CDs themselves.
Steve
Steve de Mena
No, they were released on CD before (the analog Schubert symphonies)
so they existed in a digitized form already. If someone wanted to
remaster them "better" they could do that (as mentioned by "Audio
Archiving Company"), as they could with the digital Mendelssohn Octet
(such as the "Karajan Gold" series).
Steve
Steve de Mena
My link was to a CD..... I guess instead of forming my remark into a
nice question, I should have simply said "That was a straight reissue
of a European Decca CD".
Steve
Steve de Mena
> Steve de Mena wrote:
>>
>> The Mendelssohn Octet with Mehta and the IPO was in a prior big
>> Mendelssohn box set in Australia. I got that information from Cyrus
>> himself a few years ago. (He had done that reissue too, prior to the
>> "Eloquence" series. I've never seen it anywhere)
>>
>
> I have it on a London digital LP, LDR 10009, as well as the Eloquence CD,
> "Decca 4800813" which also contains Mahler's orchestral version of LvB's Op.
> 95 String Quartet, performed by Christoph von Dohnanyi/Wiener
> Philharmoniker. This disc inicates 'DDD'.
Yes I have both of those also.
I hope you have the Bernstein DG CD of Beethoven's Op.131 with the VPO
also. :)
Steve
Steve de Mena
> I have never ordered from the Eloquent Australian,
You can't order directly from them.
>but I sometimes
> wonder if Zubie Baby ever felt a certain frisson when he made his
> (two?) recordings of "Also Sprach Zarathustra."
Three I believe: LAPO, NYPO, IPO
Steve
M forever
I didn't know there was one with the IPO. But indeed there is one, on
Helicon. Interesting. I remember reading an interview with Mehta in
the 80s where he said that he still couldn't perform Strauss in public
in Israel, but that he played the orchestral works with the orchestra
in rehearsals because they are important practice. So that seems to
have changed.
Helicon doesn't seem to be available in the US though. Not that I need
another Zarathustra. But they also recorded Bloch's "Sacred Service"
and I would like to have a modern recording of that piece.
Alan Cooper
The point was to clarify how Eloquence could be credited with the initial release
of a CD without having undertaken or overseen the remastering themselves. That
was a point of contention.
AC
Steve de Mena
I didn't know anyone really cared who did the initial CD mastering for
their "new to CD" remasters. Since the usual suspects like Emil
Berliner were not credited I figured it was a lower-cost 3rd party.
One Eloquence CD (Beethoven 7 & Overtures) has a dreary transfer of
the Beethoven Egmont Overture with Mehta and the LAPO (new to CD) but
it shows up somewhat better on another Eloquence CD ("Standing Ovation
- Popular Overtures").
Steve
Steve de Mena
The cheapest source for Helicon I have found are eBay sellers of new
copies. I might have bought few from their Israeli web site too.
Decca Concerts (downloads) had a Mehta/IPO Also spreach also (2007
"The Anniversary Season"). I think that might have appeared on a
Decca CD too, for 5 minutes, somewhere. (The Helicon Also sprach is
also from 2007, presumably the same concert)
Steve
Allen
that I had on LP but failed to get on CD before poof! they were gone.
Some others in this category were Paul Jacobs "Blues, Ballads and Rags
(approximate title) and Boston Camerata "L'homme Armee". Maybe I will
have learned my lesson before the next major format change--or maybe
not, judging by my previous performance. I did better,though, in thw
switch from 78 to LP.
Allen
Norman Schwartz
> On 9/1/11 9:07 AM, Norman Schwartz wrote:
>> Steve de Mena wrote:
>>>> Yes, although from what I read (and I forget where- Fanfare
>>>> perhaps?) none of the Australian Eloquence issues are remastered.
>>>> They're taken straight from the original Universal European
>>>> masterings, many of them still available used on Double Deccas and
>>>> the like.
>>>
>>> You read wrong. Sure, probably a good 90-95% have been remastered
>>> and issued somewhere else, but there are gems here and there on CD
>>> for the FIRST TIME. They usually clearly mark these on the back. (And
>>> I don't mean "First International Release on CD", but an
>>> actual "First Release on CD")
>>>
>>
>> Mehta's IPO Schubert Symphonies are marked "First International
>> Release on CD". The booklets indicate "Remastering: Audio Archiving
>> Company, London, UK. I suppose that's where their original analog
>> source was 'digitized'. His recording of orchestral version of the
>> Mendelssohn Octet was a digial recording to begin with.
>>
>>> Steve
>>
>
> No, they were released on CD before (the analog Schubert symphonies)
> so they existed in a digitized form already.
Thanks for this information, as I was never aware of the fact these Schubert
Symphonies ever existed in the digital domain.
If someone wanted to
> remaster them "better" they could do that (as mentioned by "Audio
> Archiving Company"), as they could with the digital Mendelssohn Octet
> (such as the "Karajan Gold" series).
Yes, and as you write that could be the case, and thanks again. BTW can you
give any examples of some recordings which you liked better in the likes of
a 'Gold series' over those when in their previous incarnations? I've always
wondered if improved better recordings involved more knob twiddling, or the
case of ADD recordings, simply superior A to D transfer. Then again it might
all boil down to a matter of personal preferences, both of the engineer and
listener. I should add that at my age, I'm happy being able to hear anything
at all. :-(
> I hope you have the Bernstein DG CD of Beethoven's Op.131 with the VPO
> also. :)
Yes and for many years, "Live Recordings" opp. 135 (DDD) and 131 (ADD). It's
a must have for anyone having the least interest in Bernstein, if only to
hear what he considered to be one of his best, (if not 'the best and most
favorite recording).. I that would be op.131 which the booklet indicates he
dedicated to the memory of his wife, 'FMB'. I'll be listening to it again
soon, although memory tells me that I couldn't enjoy its sound.
> Steve
Matthew B. Tepper
letters to be typed in news:6vKdnSNFYaclbPzT...@giganews.com:
I hadn't been aware of the IPO recording, but sure enough, there it is
listed on Arkivmusic.com as a February 2011 release. I am a tad surprised,
as there were for many years some persons who regarded Strauss as having
been complicit with his country's evil government. (Remember the guy who
tried to whack Heifetz' hands with a metal bar?) Have you heard it, or
indeed, any of Mehta's recordings on Helicon?
For that matter, I am filled with a sudden urge to buy recordings of the
Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, and would prefer to begin with those which
may be of particular musical value. I'm surprised to find that I only have
a few items -- those in the Mehta 70th birthday box, some of Bernstein
conducting his own music, and of course "Hatikvah on Mount Scopus." I'm
already planning to get Levine's Mahler 2nd, so as to help fill out the
conductor's incomplete cycle on BMG; what other recordings would you, or
any other person sympathetic to this orchestra, suggest?
Steve de Mena
> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:6vKdnSNFYaclbPzT...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 9/2/11 7:51 PM, whisky...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have never ordered from the Eloquent Australian,
>>
>> You can't order directly from them.
>>
>>> but I sometimes wonder if Zubie Baby ever felt a certain frisson when he
>>> made his (two?) recordings of "Also Sprach Zarathustra."
>>
>> Three I believe: LAPO, NYPO, IPO
>
> I hadn't been aware of the IPO recording, but sure enough, there it is
> listed on Arkivmusic.com as a February 2011 release. I am a tad surprised,
> as there were for many years some persons who regarded Strauss as having
> been complicit with his country's evil government. (Remember the guy who
> tried to whack Heifetz' hands with a metal bar?) Have you heard it, or
> indeed, any of Mehta's recordings on Helicon?
Not the Strauss. Beethoven 5 (great, and amazing sound), Beethoven 6
(on same CD.... pedestrian). Rachmaninoff 3rd with deLarrocha, lovely.
Lots of audience coughing in many of these reordings, ugh.
>
> For that matter, I am filled with a sudden urge to buy recordings of the
> Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, and would prefer to begin with those which
> may be of particular musical value. I'm surprised to find that I only have
> a few items -- those in the Mehta 70th birthday box, some of Bernstein
> conducting his own music, and of course "Hatikvah on Mount Scopus." I'm
> already planning to get Levine's Mahler 2nd, so as to help fill out the
> conductor's incomplete cycle on BMG; what other recordings would you, or
> any other person sympathetic to this orchestra, suggest?
Mendelssohn Octet for full string orchestra (Decca early digital, now
Eloquence), Dvorak 7th from 1960s (Eloquence), the Brahms 4 symphonies
from the 1990s on Sony (if you find it cheap).
Steve
Oscar
>
> For that matter, I am filled with a sudden urge to buy recordings of the
> Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, and would prefer to begin with those which
> may be of particular musical value. I'm surprised to find that I only have
> a few items -- those in the Mehta 70th birthday box, some of Bernstein
> conducting his own music, and of course "Hatikvah on Mount Scopus." I'm
> already planning to get Levine's Mahler 2nd, so as to help fill out the
> conductor's incomplete cycle on BMG; what other recordings would you, or
> any other person sympathetic to this orchestra, suggest?
Just get this set and be done with it http://tiny.cc/h5bgm
Israel Philharmonic Orchestra - Essential Recordings [Helicon 2011,
12CD]
BARTOK: Concerto for Orchestra/ Mehta; BEETHOVEN: Fidelio Overture/
Maazel; Piano Concerto 5/ Lupu, Mehta; Symphony 4/ Kubelik; Violin
Concerto/ Zukerman, Mehta; BEN-HAIM: Capriccio for Piano & Orchestra/
Salzman, Giulini; BERLIOZ: Harold in Italy/ Benyamini, Mehta;
BERNSTEIN: Chichester Psalms/ Bernstein; BLOCH: Schelomo/ Starker,
Mehta; BRAHMS: Piano Concerto 1/ Rubenstein, Mehta; DVORAK: Symphony
7/ Mehta; GRIEG: Piano Concerto/ Katchen, Kertesz; HINDEMITH:
Symphonic Metamorphosis/ Bernstein; MAHLER: Symphony 4/ Hendricks,
Mehta; MASSENET: 4 Pieces from Le Cid/ Martinon; MENDELSSOHN: Calm Sea
& Prosperous Voyage/ Kletzki; Hebrides Overture/ Bernstein; Symphony
4/ Bernstein; MOZART: Marriage of Figaro Overture/ Mehta; Piano
Concerto 27/ Barenboim; Sinfonia Concertante/ Perlman, Zukerman,
Mehta; Symphony 41/ Krips; RIMSKY-KORSAKOFF: Capriccio Espagnol/
Mehta; SAINT-SAENS: Introduction & Rondo Capriccioso/ Mintz, Mehta;
SCHUBERT: Symphony 5/ Solti; Symphony 9/ Mehta; SCHUMANN: Symphonies
3+4/ Masur; SMETANA: Bartered Bride Overture, Moldau/ Kertesz;
STRAVINSKY: Firebird Suite/ Bernstein; TCHAIKOVSKY: Nutcracker Suite/
Mehta; Violin Concerto/ Perlman, Mehta; VERDI: Traviata Act I Prelude/
Mehta; VIVALDI: 4 Season/ Stern, Zukerman; WEBER: Oberon Overture/
Mehta
Sol L. Siegel
news:Xns9F5574DABBC...@216.168.3.70:
> For that matter, I am filled with a sudden urge to buy recordings of
> the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, and would prefer to begin with
> those which may be of particular musical value... what other
> recordings would you, or any other person sympathetic to this
> orchestra, suggest?
To my furious frustration, you have to buy two Australian
Eloquence CDs to replicate the Starker/Mehta LP of Bloch:
Schelomo as an addendum to a compilation called "Concertos
in Contrast", and "Voice in the Wilderness" as a filler to
Harold in Italy. I bought them both anyway. Their Dvorak
7 is pretty good, though not quite in the Monteux class.
Another Eloquence CD included the Dvorak String Serenade
with Kubelik and the Tchaikovsky with Solti. The Mozart
EKN with Solti wasn't included, and the disc appears to
have gone OOP.
In checking out Amazon, I note that Helicon is starting to
put out archival stuff this month, including Monteux
(Beethoven 4 and Enigmas) and Paray (Schumann 2 & 3).
- Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Steve de Mena
> I hadn't been aware of the IPO recording, but sure enough, there it is
> listed on Arkivmusic.com as a February 2011 release. I am a tad surprised,
> as there were for many years some persons who regarded Strauss as having
> been complicit with his country's evil government.
Years ago (1997) Jane Eaglen recorded a recital CD with Mehta & the
IPO which included 3-5 Strauss arias. (I don't have it)
In 2009 Don Juan and the Burlesque were the first 2 items on an IPO
live concert.
The IPO web site isn't working for me very well (HTML, not Hebrew) but
an R. Strauss search turns up a number of works - Till, 4 Last Songs,
Rosenkavalier Suite, Alpensinfonie (2011, Kent Nagano) , Frau ohne
Schatten fantasy.
Steve
Matthew B. Tepper
Thanks, and I'm pleased to see that Kent is not part of the hate brigade.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote in
Thanks. I wonder how the Monteux "Enigma" compares with his famous LSO
recording (my favorite stereo recording of this work)?
Matthew B. Tepper
> On 9/3/11 11:28 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
>> following letters to be typed in
>> news:6vKdnSNFYaclbPzT...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 9/2/11 7:51 PM, whisky...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have never ordered from the Eloquent Australian,
>>>
>>> You can't order directly from them.
>>>
>>>> but I sometimes wonder if Zubie Baby ever felt a certain frisson when
>>>> he made his (two?) recordings of "Also Sprach Zarathustra."
>>>
>>> Three I believe: LAPO, NYPO, IPO
>>
>> I hadn't been aware of the IPO recording, but sure enough, there it is
>> listed on Arkivmusic.com as a February 2011 release. I am a tad
>> surprised, as there were for many years some persons who regarded
>> Strauss as having been complicit with his country's evil government.
>> (Remember the guy who tried to whack Heifetz' hands with a metal bar?)
>> Have you heard it, or indeed, any of Mehta's recordings on Helicon?
>
> Not the Strauss. Beethoven 5 (great, and amazing sound), Beethoven 6
> (on same CD.... pedestrian). Rachmaninoff 3rd with deLarrocha, lovely.
> Lots of audience coughing in many of these reordings, ugh.
I heard Mehta do Beethoven 5 here in L.A. once, and it seemed routine; the
winds came in a bar late at one point in the Scherzo, which didn't help.
>> For that matter, I am filled with a sudden urge to buy recordings of the
>> Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, and would prefer to begin with those
>> which may be of particular musical value. I'm surprcised to find that I
>> only have a few items -- those in the Mehta 70th birthday box, some of
>> Bernstein conducting his own music, and of course "Hatikvah on Mount
>> Scopus." I'm already planning to get Levine's Mahler 2nd, so as to help
>> fill out the conductor's incomplete cycle on BMG; what other recordings
>> would you, or any other person sympathetic to this orchestra, suggest?
>
> Mendelssohn Octet for full string orchestra (Decca early digital, now
> Eloquence), Dvorak 7th from 1960s (Eloquence), the Brahms 4 symphonies
> from the 1990s on Sony (if you find it cheap).
Thanks!
whisky...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> On Aug 31, 9:38 pm, Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > Cyrus (Meher-Homji) was friends with Zubin's father, I believe, or another relative
> > of Zubin. That helps to explain why so much Mehta has been released
> > on Australian Eloquence.
>
> > Steve
>
> I don't think it would be a wild guess to surmise that Cyrus Meher-
> Homji is a Parsi, as is Zubin Mehta.
Before getting off this topic forever, may I also note that Kaikhosru
Shapurji Sorabji was the son of Parsi father. Some of the loonier
collectors (among whom I count myself), presumably own some of the
recordings made of his piano and organ music. There was a burst of
enthusiasm about recording his music some years ago, but it seems to
have died down. Can't blame them -- the clotted textures of Opus
Clavicembalisticum make the loudest chunks of Havergal Brian's Gothic
Symphony seem like Mozart by comparison.
Steve de Mena
> "Matthew B. Tepper"<oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9F5574DABBC...@216.168.3.70:
>
>> For that matter, I am filled with a sudden urge to buy recordings of
>> the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, and would prefer to begin with
>> those which may be of particular musical value... what other
>> recordings would you, or any other person sympathetic to this
>> orchestra, suggest?
>
> To my furious frustration, you have to buy two Australian
> Eloquence CDs to replicate the Starker/Mehta LP of Bloch:
> Schelomo as an addendum to a compilation called "Concertos
> in Contrast", and "Voice in the Wilderness" as a filler to
> Harold in Italy. I bought them both anyway. Their Dvorak
> 7 is pretty good, though not quite in the Monteux class.
"Concertos in Contrast" (the original Decca LP title of the London US
"Philharmonic Solo" has some nice performances on it. Michele
Zukovsky's von Weber Concertino, Glenn Dicterow's Wieniawski, Thomas
Stevens Haydn Trumpet Cto, etc. Part of the appeal for me was seeing
all those 1st chair artists in concerts at the time & meeting many at
the radio station.
>
> Another Eloquence CD included the Dvorak String Serenade
> with Kubelik and the Tchaikovsky with Solti. The Mozart
> EKN with Solti wasn't included, and the disc appears to
> have gone OOP.
I think that has been OOP for ages. The Kubelik Dvorak String
Serenade along with his own "Four forms for orchestra" (sic?) with ECO
are in the DG Original Masters Kubelik box set. Maybe you can still
find that somewhere reasonable.
> In checking out Amazon, I note that Helicon is starting to
> put out archival stuff this month, including Monteux
> (Beethoven 4 and Enigmas) and Paray (Schumann 2& 3).
Terrific. Hope the sound is decent and the audience not hacking to death.
>
> - Sol L. Siegel, Philadelphia, PA USA
Steve
Steve de Mena
> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:P9WdnQneFL41Kv_T...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 9/3/11 11:28 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>
>>> I hadn't been aware of the IPO recording, but sure enough, there it is
>>> listed on Arkivmusic.com as a February 2011 release. I am a tad
>>> surprised, as there were for many years some persons who regarded
>>> Strauss as having been complicit with his country's evil government.
>>
>> IPO which included 3-5 Strauss arias. (I don't have it)
>>
>> In 2009 Don Juan and the Burlesque were the first 2 items on an IPO
>> live concert.
>>
>> The IPO web site isn't working for me very well (HTML, not Hebrew) but
>> an R. Strauss search turns up a number of works - Till, 4 Last Songs,
>> Rosenkavalier Suite, Alpensinfonie (2011, Kent Nagano), Frau ohne
>> Schatten fantasy.
>
> Thanks, and I'm pleased to see that Kent is not part of the hate brigade.
I don't seem to see his name much here in L.A. (performing) Have you
had much contact with him since your student (?) days?
Steve
Steve de Mena
Staying off topic I thought I read there were just some 85,000 or so
Parsis in the world. Or am I missing some zeroes.
Steve
Alan Cooper
news:Xns9F55C4CC6A3...@130.133.4.11:
> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oy兀earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9F5574DABBC...@216.168.3.70:
>
>> For that matter, I am filled with a sudden urge to buy
>> recordings of the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, and would
>> prefer to begin with those which may be of particular musical
>> value... what other recordings would you, or any other person
>> sympathetic to this orchestra, suggest?
>
> To my furious frustration, you have to buy two Australian
> Eloquence CDs to replicate the Starker/Mehta LP of Bloch:
> Schelomo as an addendum to a compilation called "Concertos
> in Contrast", and "Voice in the Wilderness" as a filler to
> Harold in Italy.
You *like* "Voice in the Wilderness," Sol? I thought I was the biggest fan of
Bloch's music here, and I can't stand the piece :-) (I don't think it has anything
to do with the performance, which sounds excellent.) That "Harold" is worth having,
though.
AC
Sol L. Siegel
news:Xns9F565DCB6FBF2am...@209.197.15.254:
> You *like* "Voice in the Wilderness," Sol? I thought I was the
> biggest fan of Bloch's music here, and I can't stand the piece :-) (I
> don't think it has anything to do with the performance, which sounds
> excellent.) That "Harold" is worth having, though.
I'm not the biggest fan of Wilderness - but the Eloquence CD did
allow me to ditch two LPs. Agree on the Harold, though it's not
quite in the DFD/CzPO class for me.
Matthew B. Tepper
> On 9/3/11 10:00 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
>> following letters to be typed in news:P9WdnQneFL41Kv_TnZ2dnUVZ5qednZ2d@
>> giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 9/3/11 11:28 AM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hadn't been aware of the IPO recording, but sure enough, there it is
>>>> listed on Arkivmusic.com as a February 2011 release. I am a tad
>>>> surprised, as there were for many years some persons who regarded
>>>> Strauss as having been complicit with his country's evil government.
>>>
>>> Years ago (1997) Jane Eaglen recorded a recital CD with Mehta& the
>>> IPO which included 3-5 Strauss arias. (I don't have it)
>>>
>>> In 2009 Don Juan and the Burlesque were the first 2 items on an IPO
>>> live concert.
>>>
>>> The IPO web site isn't working for me very well (HTML, not Hebrew) but
>>> an R. Strauss search turns up a number of works - Till, 4 Last Songs,
>>> Rosenkavalier Suite, Alpensinfonie (2011, Kent Nagano), Frau ohne
>>> Schatten fantasy.
>>
>> Thanks, and I'm pleased to see that Kent is not part of the hate
>> brigade.
>
> I don't seem to see his name much here in L.A. (performing) Have you
> had much contact with him since your student (?) days?
A few times here and there, mostly here, but once in St. Paul of all places
where he conducted a concert of Schoenberg, Varese and Webern. Whenever I
bring a date or girlfriend back to the green room with me, he always
recognizes me, and makes a big production (telling her, "You know that
Matthew and I are colleagues"). I have never been to Montreal, so unless
he guests here I'm unlikely to see him.
Matthew B. Tepper
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> "Sol L. Siegel" <vod...@aol.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9F55C4CC6A3...@130.133.4.11:
>
>> "Matthew B. Tepper" <oyþ@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:Xns9F5574DABBC...@216.168.3.70:
>>
>>> For that matter, I am filled with a sudden urge to buy recordings of
>>> the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, and would prefer to begin with those
>>> which may be of particular musical value... what other recordings would
>>> you, or any other person sympathetic to this orchestra, suggest?
>>
>> To my furious frustration, you have to buy two Australian Eloquence CDs
>> to replicate the Starker/Mehta LP of Bloch: Schelomo as an addendum to
>> a compilation called "Concertos in Contrast", and "Voice in the
>> Wilderness" as a filler to Harold in Italy.
>
> You *like* "Voice in the Wilderness," Sol? I thought I was the biggest
> fan of Bloch's music here, and I can't stand the piece :-) (I don't
> think it has anything to do with the performance, which sounds
> excellent.) That "Harold" is worth having, though.
Is that with Benyamini and Barenboim?
Sol L. Siegel
> That "Harold" is worth having, though.
>
> Is that with Benyamini and Barenboim?
>
Yes,
--
Steve de Mena
>> You *like* "Voice in the Wilderness," Sol? I thought I was the biggest
>> fan of Bloch's music here, and I can't stand the piece :-) (I don't
>> think it has anything to do with the performance, which sounds
>> excellent.) That "Harold" is worth having, though.
>
> Is that with Benyamini and Barenboim?
Someone said "Yes" but the Berlioz is actually Benyamini and Zubin
Mehta and the IPO.
Steve
Sol L. Siegel
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That was me, and you're right. Whoops. d=:>O
Matthew B. Tepper
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Thanks. I think Benyamini recorded something else with Barenboim.
Steve de Mena
> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:GN2dnYa9JbdCpvjT...@giganews.com:
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>> On 9/4/11 2:50 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>
>>>> You *like* "Voice in the Wilderness," Sol? I thought I was the biggest
>>>> fan of Bloch's music here, and I can't stand the piece :-) (I don't
>>>> think it has anything to do with the performance, which sounds
>>>> excellent.) That "Harold" is worth having, though.
>>>
>>> Is that with Benyamini and Barenboim?
>>
>> Someone said "Yes" but the Berlioz is actually Benyamini and Zubin
>> Mehta and the IPO.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Thanks. I think Benyamini recorded something else with Barenboim.
Bartok and (maybe) Hindemith. Also on Australian Eloquence
Steve
Matthew�B.�Tepper
> On 9/5/11 11:51 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
>> following letters to be typed in news:GN2dnYa9JbdCpvjTnZ2dnUVZ5
>> smd...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 9/4/11 2:50 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You *like* "Voice in the Wilderness," Sol? I thought I was the
>>>>> biggest fan of Bloch's music here, and I can't stand the piece :-)
>>>>> (I don't think it has anything to do with the performance, which
>>>>> sounds excellent.) That "Harold" is worth having, though.
>>>>
>>>> Is that with Benyamini and Barenboim?
>>>
>>> Someone said "Yes" but the Berlioz is actually Benyamini and Zubin
>>> Mehta and the IPO.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Thanks. I think Benyamini recorded something else with Barenboim.
>
> Bartok and (maybe) Hindemith. Also on Australian Eloquence
Having just checked my database, I can see that I have the Hindemith, on
DGG 423 241-2, where it is a pendant to William Steinberg's great readings
of the "Mathis der Maler" Symphony and the Konzertmusik for Strings and
Brass, Op. 50.
Steve de Mena
> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in news:HP2dnbXw-fSn5fvT...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 9/5/11 11:51 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>> Steve de Mena<st...@stevedemena.com> appears to have caused the
>>> following letters to be typed in news:GN2dnYa9JbdCpvjTnZ2dnUVZ5
>>> smd...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 9/4/11 2:50 PM, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You *like* "Voice in the Wilderness," Sol? I thought I was the
>>>>>> biggest fan of Bloch's music here, and I can't stand the piece :-)
>>>>>> (I don't think it has anything to do with the performance, which
>>>>>> sounds excellent.) That "Harold" is worth having, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that with Benyamini and Barenboim?
>>>>
>>>> Someone said "Yes" but the Berlioz is actually Benyamini and Zubin
>>>> Mehta and the IPO.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> Thanks. I think Benyamini recorded something else with Barenboim.
>>
>> Bartok and (maybe) Hindemith. Also on Australian Eloquence
>
> Having just checked my database, I can see that I have the Hindemith, on
> DGG 423 241-2, where it is a pendant to William Steinberg's great readings
> of the "Mathis der Maler" Symphony and the Konzertmusik for Strings and
> Brass, Op. 50.
Checking my iTunes DB I see the Bartok Viola Concerto
(Benyamini/Barenboim/OdeP) is a filler to the Kubelik/BSO Concerto for
Orchestra (DG Aussie Eloquence 480 0713). DG 423 241-2 (part of the
"20th Century Classics" series) seems to have been reissued intact on
DG Aussie Eloquence 480 0662)
Steve
Matthew B. Tepper
Perhaps I should try to get that one, rather than the Galleria release,
which is coupled with the "Miraculous Mandarin" Suite (anybody remember
"Wonderful Tangerine"?) conducted by Ozawa.