The price of guitars in Paracho
Spencer Doidge
Paracho?
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Matanya Ophee
>In terms of US prices, how good a guitar can you buy for $1000 in
>Paracho?
Difficult to say. Depends on one's personal definition of what's a
good guitar. In Cuernavaca, there was this Paracho maker who was
asking $1400 for a guitar which would, in my personal judgement and
according to my personal taste, be equal to an instrument worth
3000-4000 in the US. It was bought by one of the featured performers.
Unfortunaely, can't remember the name of the maker.
Doc mentioned the fact that these instruments tend to crack when
removed from the humidity of the environment where they were made. So
did all seven Fletas which I once owned. As soon as I brought them to
the States.
Matanya Ophee
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Including the on-line guitar magazine titled: Guitar And Lute Issues
William Jennings
mouth. Usually two at a time and most often about $300.00 each. These
were good all around guitars that I selected from a large array of
guitars. I would play these guitars because I didn't want to chance my
good guitars with my often difficult lifestyle. I would allow these
guitars to be purchased from me sometimes on the spot for a thousand.
There must be a few old ones still around Key West because I parted with
a number of them in the Keys and Palm Beach.
A requinto that one can pick up for $250.00 sells here for $700-900.
The main street and concentrations of guitars are along eight blocks of
this small town. Guitars are everywhere and i mean everywhere, beginning
in the streets. The first thing to do is get off that main street and
only three words are needed, "Guitarreros mas fino". There are about
five very good makers in the town and they all live off the main street.
Find a smart
kid and hire him to take you to the five best guitar makers. Two names
are Barajas and Jesus Zalapa.
The first thing I would suggest is checking in at the Mansion de
Cupatitzio hotel on the north side of town next to the Parque National.
This runs about 50 bucks a night. If you stay here they will bring their
best guitars to the hotel ( it rains a lot and can be very cold at 7,000
ft.) and you can usually keep a few guitars overnight to try. Last time
I had 6 in my room ( which I didn't ask for ). In the past this was very
helpful. By having the room in advance they know where you are and will
leave guitars with you for approval. Keep in mind there will be lots of
guitar players looking for that special guitar plus assorted tourist bus
going through with all sorts of people. Spanish is not essential in
finding a guitar or for the purchase but you may have to go through a lot
of guitars. I would plan on three days and not buying until you are
ready to leave. I could buy a serviceable guitar for a grand but I know
the place and they know me.
After checking in the hotel go to the Centro para la Investigacion y
Desarollo de la Guitarra run by the Monroy family and check out whos
playing and what's going on. That's a good place for you to hire a
knowledgeable kid to locate the better makers. You will not see much in
the way of advertisement or signs.
These days I will fly into Guadalajara and rent a car for the three hour
drive to Paracho, rental cars are expensive in Mexico
and you can take a first class buss to Zamora, and a taxi to the hotel in
Paracho.
I think I am very spoiled with guitars but you can always find something
interesting or cute in Paracho. I brought back a half
size guitar for a friends daughter ( an octave higher ) and she loved
that little guitar and still has it for her kids.
It's a fun place but not serious guitaring like one finds in Granada. An
El Cheapo painted blue serves as a birdhouse on my place in the country.
You might want to take some nice machine heads.
Good luck,
doc
William Jennings
preference but the only reason I recalled Barajas name is because it's the
same as the Madrid airport. Don't ask me why I remembered it like that.
Kenny Hill has had an impact there
but most of that trade is closed.
doc
Yo Paul, I just snapped as to the letter. Just this moment, going to collect
it now. I'm getting guitarsweb and guitarwebtv confused! Get back to you
asap.
GuitarsWeB wrote:
> Francisco Navarro is also another good builder from Paracho. I have had a
> number of his instruments.
> Paul McGuffin
GuitarsWeB
samot
jou...@texas.net wrote:
> Yes, Navarro is excellent. I didn't want to overlook anyone or show
> preference but the only reason I recalled Barajas name is because
it's the
> same as the Madrid airport. Don't ask me why I remembered it like
that.
> Kenny Hill has had an impact there
> but most of that trade is closed.
>
> doc
>
> Yo Paul, I just snapped as to the letter. Just this moment, going
to collect
> it now. I'm getting guitarsweb and guitarwebtv confused!
Get back to you
Hello, my recommendations about the Paracho guitars are of three
guitar makers:
1.- Abel Garcia
2.-Daniel Caro
3.- Fructuoso Zalapa
These three guitar makers are, in my opinion, of the best
Mexico has on guitar construction, the three of them are living in
Paracho, so you can find them easily and sure you would have the chance
to play some instruments of them.
It depends on what you want, or what you think is good for
you, but sure you would find several prices. Guitars of these three
guitar makers can be worth from 1600 to 2500 or maybe 3000 dollars. I
have a Daniel Caro model 93 , great woods, sound and balance,
and it is worth 2000 dollars.
But anyway once you are there you can find out for yourself about
prices and qualities, play guitars personally, etc.
Good Luck. Samot
> asap.
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Before you buy.
William Jennings
When you invest over a thousand dollars in one of these guitars, which by
and large are ordered and shipped out from 3-6 months later, you are taking
quite a risk. Last year a man and his son order matching guitars from on
of these makers through his agent in Mexico City. He asked me to inquire
after them after he had waited some four months. He lived in New York City
and didn't know much about them. I explained the problem with cracking
especially in that climate and to be sure and get a large aquarium for the
room he keeps them in. New York City is at sea level, Paracho 7,000 ft.
above sea level and below the Tropic of Cancer. Those guitars have the
lifetime expectancy of a Kamikaze pilot on a clear day. He was not aware
of this problem and I could hear his disappointment, because he had some 6k
invested in those guitars. Had he known and elected to take the risk it
would have been another thing. Mexico City is about 8,000 ft. which is not
difficult for them or other cities along CA 1 through Central America.
A guitar is only worth as much as you can sell it for, aside from personal
value.
doc
Spencer Doidge
find a good value, I'll buy. I'm there for the travel first, the
guitar second.
What are the odds of finding a good value just walking down the street
and poking my head in here and there? Are there storefronts or signs
outside the shops, indicating that I can walk in?
Spencer Doidge
William Jennings
Spencer Doidge wrote:
I'm setting a floor of $300, ceiling of $1000, cash and carry. If I
find a good value, I'll buy. I'm there for the travel first, the
guitar second.What are the odds of finding a good value just walking down the street
and poking my head in here and there? Are there storefronts or signs
outside the shops, indicating that I can walk in?
Well, there's always luck. I just get tired of all
that tuning to find a major flaw or big wolf tone
then going to the next guitar. No, there is not
much in the way of signs. Pesos' open doors in
Paracho. There are plenty of store fronts and
one good maker on the main street.
Something you might want to do is have a few tuned for you and let them rest overnight at A 440.
Take a tuning fork or better yet a electronic tuner/metronome this
may become a useful barter item.
Mexican strings sux, it never hurts to have a few extra sets.
Your published music is new and different
for them, all these things help prepare for "Luck".
I think you will come away with something interesting.
doc
samot
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> <p>Spencer Doidge wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I'm setting a floor of $300, ceiling of $1000,
cash
> and carry. If I
> <br>guitar second.
> <p>What are the odds of finding a good value just walking down the
street
> <br>and poking my head in here and there? Are there storefronts or
signs
> <br>outside the shops, indicating that I can walk in?</blockquote>
> <b> Well, there's always luck. I just get tired of
all
> that tuning to find a major flaw or big wolf tone</b>
> <br><b> then going to the next guitar. No, there is
not
> much in the way of signs. Pesos' open doors in</b>
> <br><b> Paracho. There are plenty of store fronts
and
> one good maker on the main street.</b><b></b>
> <p><b> Something you might want to do is have a few
tuned
> for you and let them rest overnight at A 440.</b><b></b>
> <p><b>Take a tuning fork or better yet a electronic tuner/metronome
this
> may become a useful barter item.</b>
> <br><b> Mexican strings sux, it never hurts to have a few extra
sets.
> Your published music is new and different</b>
> <br><b> for them, all these things help prepare for "Luck".</b>
> <br><b></b> <b></b>
> <p><b> I think you will come away with something
interesting.</b><b></b>
> <p><b> doc</b>
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>
> <p>On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:13:04 -0600, William Jennings
> <br><jou...@texas.net> wrote:
> <p>>These makers are all above the quoted figure of $1000.00.
> <br>>
> <br>>When you invest over a thousand dollars in one of these guitars,
which
> by
> <br>>and large are ordered and shipped out from 3-6 months later, you
are
> taking
> <br>>quite a risk. Last year a man and his son order matching
guitars
> from on
> <br>>of these makers through his agent in Mexico City. He asked
me
> to inquire
> <br>>after them after he had waited some four months. He lived
in
> New York City
> <br>>and didn't know much about them. I explained the problem
with
> cracking
> <br>>especially in that climate and to be sure and get a large
aquarium
> for the
> <br>>room he keeps them in. New York City is at sea level,
Paracho
> 7,000 ft.
> <br>>above sea level and below the Tropic of Cancer. Those
guitars
> have the
> <br>>lifetime expectancy of a Kamikaze pilot on a clear day. He
was
> not aware
> <br>>of this problem and I could hear his disappointment, because he
had
> some 6k
> <br>>invested in those guitars. Had he known and elected to take
> the risk it
> <br>>would have been another thing. Mexico City is about 8,000
ft.
> which is not
> <br>>difficult for them or other cities along CA 1 through Central
America.
> <br>>
> <br>>A guitar is only worth as much as you can sell it for, aside from
> personal
> <br>>value.
> <br>>
> <br>>doc
> <br>>
> <br>>
> <br>>
> <br>>
> <br>>
> <br>>samot wrote:
> <br>>
> <br>>> Hello, my recommendations about
the
> Paracho guitars are of three
> <br>>> 1.- Abel Garcia
> <br>>> 2.-Daniel Caro
> <br>>> 3.- Fructuoso Zalapa
> <br>>>
>
<br>>>
> These three guitar makers are, in my opinion, of the best
> in
> <br>>> Paracho, so you can find them easily and sure you would have
the
> chance
> <br>>> to play some instruments of them.
> <br>>>
>
<br>>>
> It depends on what you want, or what you think is good for
three
> <br>>> guitar makers can be worth from 1600 to 2500 or maybe 3000
dollars.
> I
> <br>>> have a Daniel Caro model 93 , great woods, sound and balance,
> <br>>> and it is worth 2000 dollars.
> <br>>> But anyway once you are there you can find
out
> for yourself about
> <br>>> prices and qualities, play guitars personally, etc.
> <br>>>
> <br>>> Good Luck. Samot
> <br>>>
> <br>>> > asap.
> <br>>> >
> <br>>> > GuitarsWeB wrote:
> <br>>> >
> <br>>> > > Francisco Navarro is also another good builder from
Paracho.
> I
> <br>>> have had a
> <br>>> > > number of his instruments.
> <br>>> > > Paul McGuffin
> <br>>> >
> <br>>> >
> <br>>>
> <br>>> Sent via Deja.com <a
href="http://www.deja.com/">http://www.deja.com/</a>
> <br>>> Before you buy.
> <br>>
> <p>Spencer Doidge
> <br>offering CDs for sale at
> <br><a
href="http://www.mp3.com/spencer_doidge">http://www.mp3.com/spencer_doid
ge</a>
> <br>plus free downloadable midis and sheet music
> <br>for classical guitar and fingerpicking guitar at
> <br><a
href="http://www.teleport.com/~spencerd">http://www.teleport.com/~spence
rd</a>
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> Good Luck in Paracho.
I have been there several times........
I bought my guitar to Daniel Caro, so I had to travel
there.
Maybe it would be OK for you to find a hotel in Uruapan,
a little city near Paracho. It takes you 40 minutes from
Uruapan to Paracho.
When playing guitars always ask about what strings it has,
in case you think as w .jennings that "mexican strings
sux", probably they could be using some D Áddario,
Savarez or
Augustine strings, because regularly those are the
strings Paracho guitar makers use for showing new guitars.
It is OK that you carry a tunning fork, but there in
Paracho know what a tuning fork, or tuning- metronome is anyway......
You can make a guitar store tour, and if you are not
satisfied ask for the three guitar makers i recommended to you on my
other post message.
some other guitar makers i recommend to you:
1.- Benjamin Garcia.
2.-Rafael Granados.
3.- Agustin Enriquez.
these other 3 guitar makers are really good too, fine guitars and
good prices, so dont hesitate to ask for all these guitar makers I have
recommended to you, I am sure you will see good and fine guitars.
Watch out for the food; I would rather prefer to eat in Uruapan, it
is more hygenic and good food.
OK , these were my recommendations, i hope they are useful to you,so
have a nice trip and good luck.
Greetings from Mexico
samot
samot
the Paracho guitars. three other guitar makers from which you can find
good quality and lower prices of those I recommmended to you in my
other posted message, and they are:
1.-Benjamin Garcia
> > > >> 2.-Rafael Granados
> > > >> > 3.-Agustin Enriquez
Also you may want to be in a hotel in Uruapan, a little city
near Paracho, it takes 40 minutes on the road to get there, Paracho is
very small and it has not a good hotel, also watch out for the food,
you better would like to eat in Uruapan too, it is more hygenic.
In Paracho guitar makers frequently use daddario, savarez, or
augustine strings to show their guitars,you will find "mexican strings
that suck", maybe on low quality guitars, but not on those I think you
are looking for. Also you could carry a tuning fork or an electronic
tuning-metronome, but sure guitar makers in Paracho know what those
things are.........
You could go on a guitar store tour to look for you guitar, but dont
hesitate to ask for those six guitar makers I recommend to you, so you
will then go to their workshops and see and play by yourself those
guitars, you can get to everyones place walking, it is a very small
town........... .
so these are my recomndations on your trip, dont
forget to carry that guitar makers list I gave to you, and have a nice
trip and good luck.. If you have some other question dont hesitate to
ask. adios: samot
pvrfe...@gmail.com
> In terms of US prices, how good a guitar can you buy for $1000 in
> Paracho?
>
> offering CDs for sale at
> http://www.mp3.com/spencer_doidge
> plus free downloadable midis and sheet music
> for classical guitar and fingerpicking guitar at
> http://www.teleport.com/~spencerd
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