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Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 1:13:35 AM3/9/12
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No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.

On Tuesday, March 20th, I'll be doing my first solo concert in over
three years.

The concert program is, as it says at the site, a celebration of
Bach's birthday, and more.

http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e5nmzzpxdc213f6d&llr=yhzk8odab

Long story. Some of you may remember some posts a while back about a
close call I had, medically speaking, in July 2009 and how it led to
my becoming a musician in the Surgical Intensive Care Unit (SICU) at
Beth Israel Medical Center here in NY.

Immediately after major surgery I went into shock. During the final
minute of the 3-minute gurney ride from the OR to the SICU I was
clinically dead. Heart stopped, no respiration, no blood pressure.
But I was in the right place at the right time. This is one of the
best SICUs in the world. A minute after arriving in the unit they'd
brought me back. However, I was very critically ill and was
immediately put into a medically induced coma. I was out for six
days.

During the first three days no one thought I would survive. In the
middle of the third day I started checking out. Vital signs began to
plummet. My wife, Wendy, knew something had to happen pronto or it
would be all over. Knowing how much I loved music, and especially
Bach, she asked permission to put my iPod in and clicked on the St.
Matthew Passion. Thirty minutes later I stabilized and never
regressed.

“Nothing activates the brain so extensively as music” - Dr. Oliver
Sacks.

(The opening piece on the concert program I'll be doing on the 20th is
"Befiehl du deine Wege/Entrust Thy Way" from the St. Matthew Passion.)

However, there had been no oxygen to my brain during those two minutes
of cardiac arrest. Permanent brain damage usually starts at about 3
minutes, but can happen sooner.

It wasn't until I got home and started playing the guitar - which I
did about 30 seconds after I walked into the apartment - that the
first signs of damage became apparent. Of all things, it manifested
in the area that is involved in music making. In the next few weeks I
discovered that I'd lost most of the 10+ hours of music I had
memorized. About 25 minutes remained, all of it learned before the
age of 20. And I had also lost the ability to memorize music. I
couldn't restore what was gone.

However, I could play, and I could read. For 18 months I tried every
trick in the book to memorize music but nothing worked and I gave
up.

In January 2010, 5 months after my surgery, I returned to the SICU as
a musician. At first it was just to give thanks, but it soon became
much more that. I am there 3 days/week, 90 minutes/session; just
passed the 500 hours mark. I was accepted from day one by the staff
for the medical value that the music added. I've helped speed the
healing of many critically ill patients and the doctors have said that
in several cases I helped save a life. As my life was saved by
music.

Playing in a SICU is music making that requires the utmost
concentration.

Soon after starting in the SICU I landed a steady engagement, every
Wednesday and Friday, at a wonderful little bistro on the Upper West
Side called Alouette, near where I live. The neighborhood is home to
many music and theater people - I play often for artists whose
recordings I listen to. Lots of concentration needed here as well.

But, I'd given up on ever playing a concert from memory again.

I had no idea that the damage was being repaired. In July 2011 there
was a patient I played for in the SICU who is one of the world's
leading authorities on the music of George Gershwin. I felt I HAD to
play at least one Gershwin tune from memory for her! What once would
have taken about 30 minutes took 2 weeks but I was able to memorize
Embraceable You. Even so, I didn't realize yet that something was
happening.

In September I met Levon Helm (former singer/drummer of The Band,
etc.). We were both recipients of the Wonderful World award given
annually by the Louis Armstrong Center for Music and Medicine. Levon
invited me to be his guest artist, 10 days later, at the Midnight
Ramble he does every Saturday night in Woodstock, NY. I played a 50-
minute solo set to open the show. (Wendy's a singer/guitarist and
joined me for two songs.)

I decided to try and memorize Summertime to go with Embraceable You.
It took all 10 days. I was working on it in the green room right up
to showtime. Made it just in time. And the evening was a peak
experience for me and my friends; Levon's 11-piece band is fantastic.

I few days later I had a feeling something had happened. I sat down
with my favorite piece, the BWV 1001 fugue. Never thought I'd play it
from memory again. 55 minutes later it was completely memorized.

In laymen's terms: because I kept playing, aided by being in such
intense performance environments 5 times a week, the music making area
of my brain re-wired. And, startling to me especially at first, I had
better skills than before, attested to by several musician friends I'd
known for a long time that came by to listen. I could hear more,
internally and externally, and "think musically" faster.

The plasticity of the brain is quite amazing. A friend, a surgeon who
did a fellowship in neurosurgery, explained what had happened (later
confirmed by other doctors). When I got home from the hospital, in
those first painful weeks, my brain did a "workaround", connecting to
other areas so I could play and read. When the repaired network was
finally ready, the workaround wasn't discarded, it was blended in with
the new pathways.

It all took a little over two years. I didn't realize all that time
that I was doing my own rehabilitation therapy.

The rewiring added to the workaround wound up giving me Music Brain
2.0. Faster processor and more RAM! Yes, the plasticity of the brain
is quite amazing.

So, on March 20th I'll do something I thought I'd never do again; play
a full concert from memory. That's if, of course, I can remember to
get on the subway and head downtown that night.

A lot of people suffer brain trauma - from surgery, illness,
accidents, wounds, etc. Music therapy was a huge factor in the
successful recovery of Gabby Giffords, the Arizona congresswoman that
was shot in the head last year. As Dr. Sacks said, nothing activates
the brain so extensively as music.

I hope that anyone reading this, that has suffered damage or knows
someone that has, will move forward knowing that if you make the
effort, and have the patience, miracles can happen.

Andrew

P.S. No, I do NOT recommend cardiac arrest as a means of improving
neurological function.

Lutemann

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Mar 9, 2012, 8:09:20 AM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 12:13 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
> No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.
>
> On Tuesday, March 20th, I'll be doing my first solo concert in over
> three years.
>
> The concert program is, as it says at the site, a celebration of
> Bach's birthday, and more.
>
> http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e5nmzzp...
So, are you , like, a zombie?

Steve Freides

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Mar 9, 2012, 8:09:56 AM3/9/12
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Andrew Schulman wrote:
> No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.
>
> On Tuesday, March 20th, I'll be doing my first solo concert in over
> three years.

Congratulations, Andrew! We'll see if we can reschedule a student or
two and make it.

BTW, my current news server wouldn't let me post with
constantcontact.com in the body of the message. Big Brother is
Watching!

-S-




Matt Faunce

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Mar 9, 2012, 8:11:10 AM3/9/12
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That's great news! Glad to hear it.

I remember you telling this to us before. While it was bad luck to have this happen, you were in the right place, plus other things like having a wife who knew what you needed--that's amazing right there, I'm guessing she knew the music would be good but didn't know exactly how important it was in your recovery--but to turn this horrible event into something better than you might have otherwise achieved, through the good luck, good people around you, and of course through what must have been some daunting work, is very inspiring.

I find it inspiring even not having gone through a traumatic brain injury. I read a book years ago that was about geniuses, the common thread throughout was that geniuses are able to connect different areas of knowledge and/or talent where most people don't. I understood this as connecting different areas of the brain. Ever since then I was convinced the way to work toward genius is to exercise the brain in various ways, through various disciplines. I take stories like yours to tell myself to keep up this difficult work because it pays off more than just having learned the specific task at hand.

Good luck with the recital.

Matt

Steve Freides

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Mar 9, 2012, 8:25:35 AM3/9/12
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Lutemann wrote:

> So, are you , like, a zombie?

Aw. c'mon now, you can post this but you can't comment on my right hand
technique in my video? What gives??

-S-


Cactus Wren

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Mar 9, 2012, 9:41:42 AM3/9/12
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On Mar 8, 11:13 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
> No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.
>
> On Tuesday, March 20th, I'll be doing my first solo concert in over
> three years.
>
> The concert program is, as it says at the site, a celebration of
> Bach's birthday, and more.
>
> http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e5nmzzp...
Great, Andrew! ....55 minutes, I'm jealous!

Green Tea

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Mar 9, 2012, 9:54:09 AM3/9/12
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On Mar 8, 11:13 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
> No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.
>
> On Tuesday, March 20th, I'll be doing my first solo concert in over
> three years.
>
> The concert program is, as it says at the site, a celebration of
> Bach's birthday, and more.
>
> http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e5nmzzp...
Andrew, whoa, I guess I didn't realize it was so bad! Amazing
story.

Many people view the brian more as a receiver, so those pieces you
used to know are there somewhere. Have you ever read accounts of near
death experiences, some people are clinically dead for longer, yet
after they come to, they can recall everything the doctor discussed
after they had died, yes the brian, or should I say human conciseness
is an amazing thing.

There was a show I saw about "centennials" people who live over 100
years, key in all of the cases was never stop exercising the mind.
I've noticed that when I sit down and memorize a piece of music for a
few hours, my mind is much more clear, and present, some these
centennials decided to learn a new language at the age of 100.
Learning a new language and memorizing music are very similar. The
brain is just like every other muscle in our bodies, it needs to be
properly exercised, as well.

Good luck with your recital!



Douglas Seth

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Mar 9, 2012, 11:02:13 AM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 1:13 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
> No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.
>
> On Tuesday, March 20th, I'll be doing my first solo concert in over
> three years.
>
> The concert program is, as it says at the site, a celebration of
> Bach's birthday, and more.
>
> http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e5nmzzp...
Best of luck, Andrew! Your story would be a good movie. I just saw
your CD on my Spotify app. I plan on giving it a listen today. If
y'all haven't downloaded, Spotify, try it. You can find almost any CD
you can think of!

Slogoin

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Mar 9, 2012, 12:17:30 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 1:13 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
>
> I hope that anyone reading this, that has suffered damage or knows
> someone that has, will move forward knowing that if you make the
> effort, and have the patience, miracles can happen.

Congrats. That's at least two of us CGists who survived ICU with
sepsis, and managed the long recovery to gain even simple skills. I
too credit music with forcing me to work so hard to get back what I'd
lost and in the process getting back more than I'd thought I'd lost.

Break a leg!

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 12:43:30 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 8:09 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com> wrote:
> Andrew Schulman wrote:
> > No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.
>
> > On Tuesday, March 20th, I'll be doing my first solo concert in over
> > three years.
>
> Congratulations, Andrew!  We'll see if we can reschedule a student or
> two and make it.
>
>
Thanks Steve.

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 12:43:01 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 8:09 am, Lutemann <lutem...@aol.com> wrote:
> So, are you , like, a zombie?
>
>
Zombie 2.0

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 12:46:16 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 8:11 am, Matt Faunce <mattfau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I remember you telling this to us before. While it was bad luck to have this happen, you were in the right place, plus other things like having a wife who knew what you needed--that's amazing right there, I'm guessing she knew the music would be good but didn't know exactly how important it was in your recovery--but to turn this horrible event into something better than you might have otherwise achieved, through the good luck, good people around you, and of course through what must have been some daunting work, is very inspiring.
>
> I find it inspiring even not having gone through a traumatic brain injury. I read a book years ago that was about geniuses, the common thread throughout was that geniuses are able to connect different areas of knowledge and/or talent where most people don't. I understood this as connecting different areas of the brain. Ever since then I was convinced the way to work toward genius is to exercise the brain in various ways, through various disciplines. I take stories like yours to tell myself to keep up this difficult work because it pays off more than just having learned the specific task at hand.
>
> Good luck with the recital.
>
>
Thanks Matt. I recommend this book to you:

My Stroke of Insight, by Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor -
http://www.amazon.com/My-Stroke-Insight-Scientists-Personal/dp/1430300612

And this TED talk she gave:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html

>I take stories like yours to tell myself to keep up this difficult work because it pays off more than just having learned the specific task at hand.<

Exactly right.

Andrew




Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 12:48:13 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 9:41 am, Cactus Wren <elegantspanishgui...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Great, Andrew!  ....55 minutes, I'm jealous!
>
>
It was quite a moment, I looked at the clock, I'd never been able to
input something that complex that fast. I didn't understand what was
happening until I spoke to my doctor friend a few weeks later.

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 12:58:49 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 9:54 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew, whoa, I guess I didn't realize it was so bad!  Amazing
> story.
>
Thanks GT. I hardly told anyone about the memory loss, just accepted
it and moved on. I talk about it now in the hope that it will help
other people.
>
>
> Many people view the brian more as a receiver, so those pieces you
> used to know are there somewhere.
>
>
In trying to keep it shorter I left out a lot in this account. I had
assumed that the "data" itself, the pieces of music had been
permanently lost. About 2 weeks into the memory recovery a friend
listening to me at Alouette, he works in biofeedback, suggested a
simple experiment. He told me to think of a piece that I used to play
from memory but hadn't played in a long time, and hadn't played from
the score, and se if I could access it. I thought of George
Harrison's "Something" and played about it, about 90% was intact, and
it's a pretty tricky arrangement. That's when I new the files were
still there, the damage had been only in the access to them. BTW, one
of the few pieces still left in my memory after the trauma was
Harrison's "Here Comes The Sun". It was the first song arrangement I
ever did, in 1969 when I was 17. Both these songs end the program I'm
doing on the 20th.
>
> Have you ever read accounts of near
> death experiences, some people are clinically dead for longer, yet
> after they come to, they can recall everything the doctor discussed
> after they had died, yes the brian, or should I say human conciseness
> is an amazing thing.
>
>
I have had conversations with 3 other people who went through what I
did with clinical death. We all had similar experiences and
subsequent outlooks on life. I've also played in the SICU for a
number of patients that were in near death states. Played for them
during the episodes and during their recovery time. All of them
remembered the music.
>
>
> There was a show I saw about "centennials" people who live over 100
> years,  key in all of the cases was never stop exercising the mind.
>
>
That is indeed the crucial factor. Use it or lose it.
>
>
>
> Good luck with your recital!
>
>
Thanks!

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 1:02:06 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 11:02 am, Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Best of luck, Andrew! Your story would be a good movie. I just saw
> your CD on my Spotify app. I plan on giving it a listen today. If
> y'all haven't downloaded, Spotify, try it. You can find almost any CD
> you can think of!
>
>
Thanks Doug! This was the post I mentioned a couple of weeks ago re:
memory.

Will get Spotify. I have 2 solo CDs on the Centaur label, recorded in
1988 and 1990. In 1991 I formed my string quintet and focused on that
for a long time. I'm back to solo work and this concert coming up,
and another there in a few months, is part of getting ready, picking
the repertoire, to record solo again.

Andrew

Slogoin

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Mar 9, 2012, 1:09:39 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 9:54 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> key in all of the cases was never stop exercising the mind.

Learning Maths is one of the best ways to give our brain a workout.

Physical, intellectual and spiritual growth in balance works for
most of us.

Early nutrition seems to be a tough one to deal with later.
Big agro and bog Pharma are doing their best to drug the world into
being well behaved corporate slaves.

My Chinese teacher was a world expert in infant care of developing
nations. That was in the 80s and now I see this PediaSure crap sold in
the local stores. The mothers don't get it and feed the kids the
corporate crap.

Water, Sugar(sucrose), corn maltodextrin, milk protein,... the rest
of the list is nothing but chemicals like short-chain
fructooligosaccharides - i kid you not.

Green Tea

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Mar 9, 2012, 1:23:10 PM3/9/12
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Ah..... that explains things.

John Nguyen

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Mar 9, 2012, 1:52:37 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 12:48 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
It must be the food in the ICU :-)

But seriously, congrats on the fast bounce back and break a leg with
the recital. I wished it was closer to I can come.
Cheers,

John

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 1:03:25 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 12:17 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:
>   Congrats. That's at least two of us CGists who survived ICU with
> sepsis, and managed the long recovery to gain even simple skills.
>
I didn't have sepsis.
>
>   Break a leg!
>
>
Thanks.

Andrew

David Raleigh Arnold

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Mar 9, 2012, 2:08:56 PM3/9/12
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:13:35 -0800, Andrew Schulman wrote:

> No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.
...

May I quote this? I think it could be very helpful to many people,
and I commend you for writing it. Regards, daveA

--
Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
Site: http://www.openguitar.com (()) eMail: d.raleig...@gmail.com
Contact: http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"

Slogoin

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Mar 9, 2012, 2:02:59 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 1:23 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah..... that explains things.

Yes, I'm not all here any more. :-0

Besides, I'm not from this planet so my goofy logic based on the
fundamental theory of nothing is just a translation from my native
tongue, which comes out as weird and as twisted as anything can
possibly be.

Anyway, life throws crap at us and we abide. Andrew and I were
lucky. I can't speak for him but every day for me is one I did not
think I'd get and if I don't get any more... that's OK as it's been a
great ride since I almost died.

Cactus Wren

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Mar 9, 2012, 2:32:51 PM3/9/12
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Oh, Larry, the Corporations are people, too, just making a simple
living like the rest of us (said in a vaguely Southern accent). If
parents choose powdered soy and chemicals over free breastmilk, it's
just the free market giving us an invisible hand. Capitalism's will
be done... Seriously, did you know that if you have a kid, you will
all of a sudden get multiple, generous free samples in the mail, right
about the time the parents are frustrated and sleep deprived and
sore... it's pretty sick.

Cactus Wren

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Mar 9, 2012, 2:33:45 PM3/9/12
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Well, I'm glad you made it back. This place would be boring without
you two.

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 2:36:31 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 2:08 pm, David Raleigh Arnold <d.raleigh.arn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> May I quote this? I think it could be very helpful to many people,
> and I commend you for writing it. Regards, daveA
>
>
Sure, I wrote it in part to help people dealing with this or similar
issues.

Thanks.

Andrew

Slogoin

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Mar 9, 2012, 2:52:00 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 1:03 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
>
> I didn't have sepsis.

Yeah, forgot.. that for a sec...:-)

Steven Bornfeld

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Mar 9, 2012, 2:54:50 PM3/9/12
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Mazel tov! And I see--you're sold out--on a weeknight! How many
classical guitarists can say that?

Best of luck,
Steve

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 11:34:15 PM3/9/12
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On Mar 9, 2:54 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Mazel tov!  And I see--you're sold out--on a weeknight!  How many
> classical guitarists can say that?
>
> Best of luck,
> Steve
>
>
Thanks Steve!

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 9, 2012, 11:35:14 PM3/9/12
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Thanks John, although I wish you hadn't reminded me of the food in the
ICU!

Andrew

Curmudgeon

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Mar 10, 2012, 1:52:28 PM3/10/12
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Congrats, Andrew - great news, especially for a pro like yourself. I
think I mentioned that after a stroke about 15 years ago I became
unable to memorize music. Unfortunately, that hasn't changed. I can
still play stuff from memory that I learned 30 years ago, but haven't
been able to pick up anything new. Fortunately I'm a good reader, so I
can still play (to the limits of my ability). I'm a software developer
by trade, and don't have any problem learning and remembering new
commands, etc., but music just doesn't stick with me any more.

Dave

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 10, 2012, 4:14:30 PM3/10/12
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On Mar 10, 1:52 pm, Curmudgeon <eht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Congrats, Andrew - great news, especially for a pro like yourself. I
> think I mentioned that after a stroke about 15 years ago I became
> unable to memorize music. Unfortunately, that hasn't changed. I can
> still play stuff from memory that I learned 30 years ago, but haven't
> been able to pick up anything new. Fortunately I'm a good reader, so I
> can still play (to the limits of my ability). I'm a software developer
> by trade, and don't have any problem learning and remembering new
> commands, etc., but music just doesn't stick with me any more.
>
>
Dave, you write, "but music just doesn't stick with me any more".
That was exactly what happened to me and why I gave up trying to
memorize after 18 months. Before, when I memorized a piece I could
close my eyes and in my mind see the page with the notes. During
those 18 months I'd work on a piece, close my eyes, and see blank
paper. It was spooky. But, as I wrote earlier, at the 2 year mark
the memorizing ability started to return. When it did I could see
more in my mind than before. Also spooky, but good spooky.

I mentioned this book in an earlier post to Matt, do you know it?

My Stroke Of Insight
http://www.amazon.com/My-Stroke-Insight-Scientists-Personal/dp/1430300612

and this TED talk:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.html

Andrew

Curmudgeon

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Mar 10, 2012, 5:46:43 PM3/10/12
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I remember seeing the reference but I haven't check it out - I will do
so tonight. Maybe there's still some hope (but it may not matter so
much since other age related problems, like arthritis, are creeping
in). My quest for the gold in the golden years continues to come up
empty. Lots of iron pyrite, though...

Thanks

thomas

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Mar 10, 2012, 9:14:33 PM3/10/12
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On Mar 9, 1:13 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
> No, this is not a post about wooly mammoth ivory vs. cow bone.
>
> On Tuesday, March 20th, I'll be doing my first solo concert in over
> three years.
>
> The concert program is, as it says at the site, a celebration of
> Bach's birthday, and more.
>
> http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e5nmzzp...
Wow, great story! I think it may make a good movie: "Schulman 2.0: The
Memorizationing", about a guitarist who loses and then regains his
memory, outsmarts the terrorists, defuses the bomb, gets the girl, and
plays a concert. I see Rob Schneider in the lead role.


Andrew Schulman

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Mar 10, 2012, 9:48:41 PM3/10/12
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On Mar 10, 9:14 pm, thomas <drthomasfbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow, great story! I think it may make a good movie: "Schulman 2.0: The
> Memorizationing", about a guitarist who loses and then regains his
> memory, outsmarts the terrorists, defuses the bomb, gets the girl, and
> plays a concert. I see Rob Schneider in the lead role.
>
>
Defuses the bomb? Sounds like a movie that would be a bomb!

But thanks for the script ideas...

Andrew

Cactus Wren

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On Mar 10, 2:14 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
> My Stroke Of Insighthttp://www.amazon.com/My-Stroke-Insight-Scientists-Personal/dp/143030...
>
> and this TED talk:http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insig...
>
> Andrew

Andrew, what was the rough composition of that 10 hours of rep? That
boggles my mind, I only have 3 or 4. Maybe you can share some
memorization/learning tips!

Andrew Schulman

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On Mar 11, 12:02 am, Cactus Wren <elegantspanishgui...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Andrew, what was the rough composition of that 10 hours of rep?  That
> boggles my mind, I only have 3 or 4.  Maybe you can share some
> memorization/learning tips!
>
>
Lots of Bach, Vivaldi (including concertos, Bach's BWV 1042 and
several by Vivaldi that I do with my quintet but also work great as
solos) Dowland, Scarlatti, Albeniz, Tarrega, Villa-Lobos, Gershwin,
Jobim, Beatles - in terms of bodies of work. And one or a few of many
classical composers - Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Sanz, Sor,
Giuliani, Barrios, Joplin (yes, I include him in my classical folder),
etc. And many many standards, from Over the Rainbow, to Ain't
Misbehavin', etc. Bohemian Rhapsody and Stairway To Heaven, that's
almost 12 minutes right there!

I know it was something over ten hours because in the 3 years I had a
steady engagement at the InterContinental, 3 nights/week, 4 hours/
night (playing time about 3 and a quarter hours/night) I sometimes
played all 3 nights without sheet music and without repeating
anything, and there were still more pieces.

I've been playing professionally since 1975 and when you have a steady
engagement, and I've had several that last years at time, you learn
quickly that the staff is your most important constituency. If they
get bored they get someone else. Having a lot of repertoire makes a
big difference. Also, you don't get bored! You have to work hard to
maintain that much repertoire.

In order to get the OK to play in the SICU I needed to meet first with
the director of the hospital's music therapy department. One thing
she mentioned was that I should play from memory because I would be
more alert. I explained the situation and she understood. But I have
seen in the last few months that it really helps to be able to play
from memory so you can watch everything; the patients, staff, and
caregivers.

When I started at Alouette the owners were also understanding. I'd
bring all these folders of music and the music stand took up room
too. It's great not to need that any more. They are happy with the
change.

I've got about 6 hours back since October and add a few pieces every
week.

Unfortunately, the excuse I used with my wife when I forgot to pick up
the carton of milk and apples or whatever she asked me to get on my
way home, "Sorry honey, the brain damage, remember?" is now
inoperative. It didn't work that well anyway.

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 11, 2012, 1:11:54 PM3/11/12
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Someone just sent me this link:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/musicinstinct/

They said the series delves into areas that include the re-wiring of
pathways that can restore music memory as I described in my situation.

Andrew

thomas

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On Mar 11, 1:40 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
>
> When I started at Alouette the owners were also understanding.

Have you ever asked them why they named the restaurant after a song
about threatening to pluck the feathers off a little bird's head? That
seems kind of cruel and unappetizing.

dsi1

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Mar 11, 2012, 5:26:46 PM3/11/12
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Music resides someplace other than our speech processing/producing area
of our brains. I know of a young girl that had a stroke while giving
birth which paralyzed half her body. She had to relearn to walk and talk
but she could still sing like an angel. I was sad to hear of her stroke
but was happy that she was alive. I was happy to see her progress at
"coming back" but it her singing that made me cry.


augusti...@yahoo.com

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Sometimes life works out. But it does so more often with patience,
persistence, and optimism. Congratulations on your recovery, and good
luck on your recital.

Tom Poore
South Euclid, OH
USA

Andrew Schulman

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On Mar 11, 6:35 pm, "augustinere...@yahoo.com"
<augustinere...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sometimes life works out. But it does so more often with patience,
> persistence, and optimism. Congratulations on your recovery, and good
> luck on your recital.
>
>
Thanks Tom.

"patience, persistence, and optimism"

So true.

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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On Mar 11, 3:04 pm, thomas <drthomasfbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you ever asked them why they named the restaurant after a song
> about threatening to pluck the feathers off a little bird's head? That
> seems kind of cruel and unappetizing.
>
>
Alouette was started by a French woman 15 years, I don't know why she
chose the name. The current owners kept the name because the place
had already established a strong following.

But, it's an interesting question, I'll ask them on Wednesday night
how they feel about it.

By the way, the duck is great, and the chicken dish as well.

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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On Mar 11, 5:26 pm, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
> She had to relearn to walk and talk
> but she could still sing like an angel...
>
>
Did you see the long piece ABC-TV did about the use of music/singing
in Gabby Giffords recovery?

Andrew

Slogoin

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On Mar 11, 7:16 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
>
> Did you see the long piece ABC-TV
> did about the use of music/singing
> in Gabby Giffords recovery?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/w_MindBodyNews/gabby-giffords-finding-voice-music-therapy/story?id=14903987#.T10zKhxvteU

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 11, 2012, 7:22:01 PM3/11/12
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As Steve Bornfeld mentioned, my concert (which is in small space) sold
out already. Anyone wanting to go to a classical guitar concert next
week should make their way to Jerry Willard's concert on Saturday,
March 24th:

http://www.csschurch.org/?page=calendar&view=event&id=432

I'll be there and hope to see some of you there.

Andrew

Matt Faunce

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Mar 11, 2012, 7:48:43 PM3/11/12
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Some people think the best restaurant in Metro Detroit is The Lark. (The owner's last name is Lark.) Although, Detroit's famous London Chop House just reopened.

Matt

dsi1

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Mar 11, 2012, 8:08:35 PM3/11/12
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I have not but I've always had the notion that music could reach people
in ways that other stimuli would not be able to. It gives me some
comfort that something like this could be, in fact, true.

David Raleigh Arnold

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On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:17:30 -0800, Slogoin wrote:

> On Mar 9, 1:13 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com> wrote:
>>
>> I hope that anyone reading this, that has suffered damage or knows
>> someone that has, will move forward knowing that if you make the
>> effort, and have the patience, miracles can happen.
>
> Congrats. That's at least two of us CGists who survived ICU with
> sepsis, and managed the long recovery to gain even simple skills. I too
> credit music with forcing me to work so hard to get back what I'd lost
> and in the process getting back more than I'd thought I'd lost.
>
> Break a leg!

Jesus! I would be dead if I had passed out anywhere but
right in front of the doctor at the HMO. I was in the
hospital for four days with IV antibiotics. I never appreciated how lucky
I was to have no brain damage--_that I know of_, until
right now. I wonder now whether that episode had anything to do
with my focal dystonia later.
Regards, daveA

--
Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
Site: http://www.openguitar.com (()) eMail: d.raleig...@gmail.com
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thomas

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On Mar 11, 7:48 pm, Matt Faunce <mattfau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some people think the best restaurant in Metro Detroit is The Lark. (The owner's last name is Lark.) Although, Detroit's famous London Chop House just reopened.
>

All-time worst restaurant name: Hitler's Cross, in Mumbai. I am not
making this up--you can google it.

(Woody Allen went there and complained to Soon Yi about the waiter: "I
distinctly heard him say, ‘Jew wanna eat?’")

Steven Bornfeld

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LOL--you sure that's Mumbai? It sounds like Larry Storch doing a
Mexican accent!

S.

dsi1

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On 3/11/2012 3:51 PM, thomas wrote:
> On Mar 11, 7:48 pm, Matt Faunce<mattfau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some people think the best restaurant in Metro Detroit is The Lark. (The owner's last name is Lark.) Although, Detroit's famous London Chop House just reopened.
>>
>
> All-time worst restaurant name: Hitler's Cross, in Mumbai. I am not
> making this up--you can google it.

What do you think about Pho King? The restaurant name, I mean...

Green Tea

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On Mar 9, 1:02 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 1:23 pm, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ah..... that explains things.
>
>   Yes, I'm not all here any more. :-0
>
>   Besides, I'm not from this planet so my goofy logic based on the
> fundamental theory of nothing is just a translation from my native
> tongue, which comes out as weird and as twisted as anything can
> possibly be.

Larry yer not as far out as you think you are, in fact yer thinking is
pretty mainstream........
>
>   Anyway, life throws crap at us and we abide. Andrew and I were
> lucky. I can't speak for him but every day for me is one I did not
> think I'd get and if I don't get any more... that's OK as it's been a
> great ride since I almost died.

Hey I went head first into the side of a Volkswagon van on my
motorcycle going 25 miles an hour........ broke my shoulder blade, and
cracked my full coverage helmut........ I never wore a helmut,
otherwise I'd be a goner.......but that day it got a bit cold. So
does that make three of us?

Green Tea

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On Mar 9, 1:54 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> > I hope that anyone reading this, that has suffered damage or knows
> > someone that has, will move forward knowing that if you make the
> > effort, and have the patience, miracles can happen.
>
> > Andrew
>
> > P.S.  No, I do NOT recommend cardiac arrest as a means of improving
> > neurological function.
>
> Mazel tov!  And I see--you're sold out--on a weeknight!  How many
> classical guitarists can say that?
>
> Best of luck,
> Steve

Maybe Andrew can video tape his concert, with that Canon HV-30.........

Andrew Schulman

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On Mar 12, 10:52 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe Andrew can video tape his concert, with that Canon HV-30.........
>
>
Speaking of the Canon HV-30, I took it out last night, not having used
it in two years, and it won't keep the tape in. I'm trying to figure
out what is wrong.

Andrew

Slogoin

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On Mar 12, 10:49 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So does that make three of us?

No. I dumped a bike once too. Unless you went to the freakin' ICU
for a while and were completely helpless and not given good odds of
coming out of it, then not having what you had before your ICU stay,
then taking a long time to just get back to "normal".

Douglas Seth

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On Mar 11, 1:40 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
Hi Andrew,
Unless I missed it in this long thread, what approach do you use for
memorizing this massive amount of material? When I was young, I
wasn't a good reader, so I memorized everything and could play so much
(hours and hours), now that my reading is good, I find it harder to
memorize. When I play my own stuff, I try to do it "stream of
consciousness" and change things freely so it is always fresh even
though the structure is intact. Do you feel memorizing effects the
spontaneity in your playing?

Doug

Learnwell

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Mar 12, 2012, 11:26:32 AM3/12/12
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Visualization.

Douglas Seth

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Mar 12, 2012, 11:56:29 AM3/12/12
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I know how do use visualization and know about it. I agree, it is a
good method and effective. It has worked well for me in the past. I
specifically want to know what Andrew is using to absorb massive
amounts material.

Andrew Schulman

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On Mar 12, 11:21 am, Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> Unless I missed it in this long thread, what approach do you use for
> memorizing this massive amount of material?
>
>
Massive is a relative term. I've been playing professionally at least
since the age of 23 when I graduated from college (took an extra
semester). Longer if you count from my first band at age 12, which
was 48 years ago. I had my first steady engagement at age 24, 5
nights a week at Windows On The World (that used to be on the 107th
floor of WTC, North Tower). In most of the years since I've had
steady gigs of 1-3 days/week. So, for starters, I've been doing this
a long time and had ample opportunity to develop a lot of repertoire.

Also, I have always had a natural talent for memorizing. On simpler
pieces it means just playing it a few times to get it in my ear. On
harder pieces I am a bit more methodical - playing/singing voices
separately, dancing the rhythm internally, imagining a conductor.
Imagining singers and dancers, a tableau.

Also, being aware of the construction - form, harmonies, etc.
>
>
> Do you feel memorizing effects the
> spontaneity in your playing?
>
>
No, because I'm always "singing-dancing" every piece when I play it
and imaging a "scene-emotion".

Andrew

Cactus Wren

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Mar 12, 2012, 2:00:03 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 10:34 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
Andrew, thanks for sharing that info with us.

Cactus Wren

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On Mar 12, 11:00 am, Cactus Wren <elegantspanishgui...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Andrew, thanks for sharing that info with us.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wonder if anyone would want to discuss the difference between casual
memorizing and for a concert. I have been memorizing all these Sor
studies, but the later ones, I would like to preserve for recitals. I
do not like playing in a high pressure situation without knowing every
note of the piece. The later ones, I am expending a great deal of
energy working out each voice and using a bunch of different
techniques to make sure I have it.

Cactus Wren

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Mar 12, 2012, 2:14:12 PM3/12/12
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Man, I just can't shut up today! Hal Galper (I think) wrote that all
the great jazz players could sing all the parts to the combo--the
horns, drums, comping, bass, and sound good--to show colleagues or
students what they wanted to hear. I wonder if this is a clue to the
internal processes that should be occurring while playing music.

dsi1

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Mar 12, 2012, 2:17:36 PM3/12/12
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On 3/12/2012 7:34 AM, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> On Mar 12, 11:21 am, Douglas Seth<douglasse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Andrew,
>> Unless I missed it in this long thread, what approach do you use for
>> memorizing this massive amount of material?
>>
>>
> Massive is a relative term. I've been playing professionally at least
> since the age of 23 when I graduated from college (took an extra
> semester). Longer if you count from my first band at age 12, which
> was 48 years ago. I had my first steady engagement at age 24, 5
> nights a week at Windows On The World (that used to be on the 107th
> floor of WTC, North Tower). In most of the years since I've had
> steady gigs of 1-3 days/week. So, for starters, I've been doing this
> a long time and had ample opportunity to develop a lot of repertoire.
>
> Also, I have always had a natural talent for memorizing. On simpler
> pieces it means just playing it a few times to get it in my ear. On
> harder pieces I am a bit more methodical - playing/singing voices
> separately, dancing the rhythm internally, imagining a conductor.
> Imagining singers and dancers, a tableau.

Talent may mostly be the ability to memorize material or what you see or
hear. Both my sons were able to spell words better than their daddy by
the time they were 8, although that's probably not saying much I guess.
They tested at a high school level in English in second grade, which
might mean that I was at less than high school level in English at the
time. They did not have to work at this nor did I ever encourage them to
do such a freaky thing.

I pretty much exploited them without shame in those days before
spellcheck. My older son also came in handy when watching Wheel of Fortune.

thomas

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Mar 12, 2012, 2:54:06 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 4:05 am, dsi1 <d...@usenet-news.net> wrote:
>
> What do you think about Pho King? The restaurant name, I mean...

I actually eat there several times a month. The waiters wear t-shirts
that say "It's Pho King Good".



dsi1

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Mar 12, 2012, 2:59:43 PM3/12/12
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It is Pho King good. I haven't eaten there but I'm gonna have to
because I just like saying that line.

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 12, 2012, 7:45:39 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 11:21 am, Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> Unless I missed it in this long thread, what approach do you use for
> memorizing this massive amount of material?...
>
>
Doug, I thought more about this during the day. Because memorizing
was relatively easy for me from an early age I never gave much
consideration to it. But your question, and CW's as well, got me to
ponder it a bit.

I realized that how I got started and a lot of what I did my first 10
years or so as a guitarist was a factor, in addition to having a
"talent" for it.

I had folk guitar lessons when I was 8 years old, for almost a year.
I learned to read chord symbols but not notes. And my teacher got me
to play everything from memory. Then, from age 9-11 I studied
classical guitar but that teacher also taught me to play by ear. I
learned a simple version of Malaguena and "Anonymous" (Jeux Interdits/
Forbidden Games), and others, that way. Then in 1964 the Beatles
appeared on Ed Sullivan and the next 9 years were electric guitar; a
rock band at age 12 and later three years playing R&B with a working
band. No sheet music, everything by ear.

At age 19 I studied jazz, a lot of reading, and at 21 got back to
classical, lots of reading.

I think all this factored in so that memorizing/retaining a lot of
music was not hard to do.

What has been very exciting in the last few months is not only getting
this ability back, but having it return better than before.

As we say in New York, "sure beats driving a cab."

Andrew

Slogoin

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Mar 12, 2012, 8:00:15 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 7:45 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
>
> but having it return better than before.

Stop teasing... how is it better?

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 12, 2012, 8:55:41 PM3/12/12
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I described what was better in my OP:

"And, startling to me especially at first, I had
better skills than before, attested to by several musician friends
I'd
known for a long time that came by to listen. I could hear more,
internally and externally, and 'think musically' faster."

That sums it up.

Andrew



John Nguyen

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Mar 12, 2012, 9:20:07 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 4:05 am, dsi1 <d...@usenet-news.net> wrote:
There is a Vietnamese restaurant in NYC named Pho Sure. I think you
will like the food there, Pho sure!

John E. Golden

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Mar 12, 2012, 9:31:26 PM3/12/12
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:13:35 -0800, Andrew Schulman wrote:

> Andrew Schulman's medical and musical journey snipped.

Very glad to hear that you're 'back in the saddle.' Break a leg next
week.

Regards,
John E. Golden

dsi1

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Mar 12, 2012, 9:41:20 PM3/12/12
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I have absolute trust in your judgement, pal... I hesitate to bring this
up yet again but what's the proper pronunciation of pho? I'm pretty sure
that I have a handle on this but I want to hear it straight from the
horse's mouth. Please excuse the quaint American idiom, at least it's
better than the alternative. :-)

Pho Sure or Pho King?

There can be only one!



Slogoin

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Mar 12, 2012, 9:58:03 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 8:55 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
>
> That sums it up.

I thought maybe it was some specific skill like suddenly being able
to do real time transcriptions of full orchestral scores.

Slogoin

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Mar 12, 2012, 9:49:40 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 9:41 pm, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
> Pho Sure or Pho King?
>
> There can be only one!

Mo Pho.

John Nguyen

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Mar 12, 2012, 10:05:25 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 9:41 pm, dsi1 <d...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
Here's one crude linguistic tip for you, pal. Pho sounds like "fer" in
Jennifer without the "r". You started with one tone then do a quick
glissando to a major-third higher sound. Pho-o. How does that sound?

dsi1

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Mar 13, 2012, 3:32:05 AM3/13/12
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Not so good, I'm afraid. Looks like I have no handle on this at all. Oh
well, it's tasty noodles anyway. :-)

Green Tea

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Mar 13, 2012, 9:59:38 AM3/13/12
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On Mar 12, 9:06 am, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
Andrew, you are lucky enough to live near B&H, take it over there and
see if they can help you with that problem.

Green Tea

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Mar 13, 2012, 10:05:39 AM3/13/12
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On Mar 12, 12:14 pm, Cactus Wren <elegantspanishgui...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Miguel Mercury just went retrograde until April 4th..... with two
other planets in retrograde Mars, and Saturn. Communication, is
challenging, but Mars makes you want to assert your opinions, while
Saturn comes down on you for doing so. I like it when you talk, one
of the only voices of sanity on this forum.

BTW, be careful not to spill coffee on your laptop during this
retrograde period.

Green Tea

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Mar 13, 2012, 10:06:30 AM3/13/12
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You mean Pho Tang?

Douglas Seth

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Mar 13, 2012, 10:22:12 AM3/13/12
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On Mar 12, 7:45 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
wrote:
Thanks for the thoughtful responses Andrew. It is always interesting
to see what makes a talented (there's the word) musician tick! I need
to start memorizing more!

Cactus Wren

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Mar 13, 2012, 11:27:25 AM3/13/12
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Is that why I got locked in my garage one hour before a gig and had to
break down the door with a hammer and large screwdriver and now have
to go to the store to replace the doorknob?

Andrew Schulman

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On Mar 13, 9:59 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew, you are lucky enough to live near B&H, take it over there and
> see if they can help you with that problem.
>
>
Good suggestion, thanks, I will.

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 13, 2012, 12:02:23 PM3/13/12
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On Mar 13, 10:22 am, Douglas Seth <douglasse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the thoughtful responses Andrew. It is always interesting
> to see what makes a talented (there's the word) musician tick! I need
> to start memorizing more!
>
>
Thanks, Doug!

I'll add one more thing about playing from memory. In the time that I
had to read almost everything I thought I preferred it and so it
wasn't so bad I'd lost my memory. Now, at least in a performance, I
don't like reading at all, although I still have to somewhat,
especially at Alouette because there are still a lot of pieces people
want to hear that I haven't put back in my memory, and some I'd never
memorized. (For example, I'd never done an 8-string version of
Albeniz's Sevilla, which I recently did and memorized).

There are places you can go once a piece is memorized that you can't
get to when you're reading. This recent experience I've gone through
has highlighted that.

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 13, 2012, 4:09:57 PM3/13/12
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On Mar 13, 9:59 am, Green Tea <dewachen1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew, you are lucky enough to live near B&H, take it over there and
> see if they can help you with that problem.
>
>
Just had the idea that maybe the cleaning cassette was all that was
needed as the camera hasn't been used in a long time and that was it.
It's fully functional now. Phew...

Andrew

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 13, 2012, 4:46:35 PM3/13/12
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On Mar 12, 9:31 pm, "John E. Golden" <johnisgol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very glad to hear that you're 'back in the saddle.'  Break a leg next
> week.
>
> Regards,
> John E. Golden
>
>
Thanks John. (Better a leg than a nail.)

Andrew

thomas

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Mar 13, 2012, 7:41:35 PM3/13/12
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On Mar 13, 4:09 pm, Andrew Schulman <and...@abacaproductions.com>
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What does camera repair have to do with the proper pronunciation of
obscene Vietnamese restaurant names?

Andrew Schulman

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Mar 13, 2012, 9:31:02 PM3/13/12
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On Mar 13, 7:41 pm, thomas <drthomasfbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What does camera repair have to do with the proper pronunciation of
> obscene Vietnamese restaurant names?
>
>
I don't know, you tell us.

Andrew

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