GFA this year?
Tashi
with going or not, but in the end, the city of San Francisco won me
over...... if it were lets say in Stockton, or Clovis, I'd stay home,
personally I'd prefer Bangkok.
I have plans to bring my video camera, and do a documentary of the
GFA. Guitar makers, and players, cool people, and not so cool people,
etc. So I suggest from here on out, if any of you want to be in my
film, now is the time to start being nice to me.
MT
Steven Bornfeld
> Any of you guys and gals going to the GFA this year? I've struggled
> with going or not, but in the end, the city of San Francisco won me
> over...... if it were lets say in Stockton, or Clovis, I'd stay home,
> personally I'd prefer Bangkok.
Was it the state supreme court decision? That would tend to do it for me.
Steve
Augustine
wrote:
> Was it the state supreme court decision? That would tend to do it for me.
Wow, Steve, I had no idea that you embraced homosexual activity. Your
twin brother does too?
Wollybird
No, he's a well known gay basher. It makes for tense times in the
office on slow Friday afternoons.
la...@deack.net
>
> No, he's a well known gay basher. It makes for tense times in the
> office on slow Friday afternoons.
Unfortunately by replying you gave dickweed an opening to post his
bigotry in RMCG. Look for this to be an issue in the election to bring
out all the bigots to vote.
I'm now thinking of going to get in MT's video... as one of the
NNUTS in RMCG. I hope MT does this video. Years ago I proposed doing a
video log of the festival to the GFA board. I think it would be great
but some thought is would mean less people going. Maybe MT can get
them to post his documentary on their web site.
Wollybird
> On May 16, 4:16 pm, Wollybird <wollyb...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > No, he's a well known gay basher. It makes for tense times in the
> > office on slow Friday afternoons.
>
> Unfortunately by replying you gave dickweed an opening to post his
> bigotry in RMCG. Look for this to be an issue in the election to bring
> out all the bigots to vote.
>
I didn't realize I was unshackling the hoard of unwashed bigots, free
to run to the ballot boxes. How will I ever get them back into the
corral? Will you help me?
Steven Bornfeld
I support tolerance of opposing views. That includes consensual sexual
relations between adults.
Steve
John R.
"Steven Bornfeld" <dentalt...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:09adnUtVYdsP2LPV...@earthlink.com...
That has nothing to do with agreeing that the definition of marriage should
not be changed. Gays have been free to associate. In my view, the bigotry
is the knee-jerk classification of Augustine's objections. Aren't liberals
supposed to be open-minded? That would, I presume, suggest a respectful
discussion and reception of both sides of an issue. I hardly ever see that!
John
Tashi
wrote:
Can we change the subject to discussing lesbian homosexual sex. That
almost happened to me once. I can provide details if you would like.
MT
Tashi
See Larry my ingeniuos idea works. your already being nicer to me.
You can be in my video. What do you suggest we talk about?
MT
Tashi
I for one am finished with you! Get off my thread......... you've
become an insufferable redundant bore.
MT
Tashi
> "Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Three out of the four judges who ruled are republicans. Somehow, I
don't think this will spin well in the right wing world. John the sand
is shifting under your right winged feathered ass. Hold on tight to
everything you know.........
MT
ClassicalG...@gmail.com
Yes, I'm going, and will be giving a lecture "Public Radio, YouTube,
MySpace, and the New Media". It will be part historical overview
(Petrucci's printed lute tablature of 1501 to YouTube 2008), and part
practical career tools for guitarist performers and composers to
advance their art to larger audiences.
By the way, the largest group on YouTube, the Guitar Group, is
approaching 20,000 members:
http://www.youtube.com/groups_main?b=users
cheers,
Tony Morris
Classical Guitar Alive! radio program
http://www.guitaralive.org
Guitarist, Viva Trio
http://www.myspace.com/vivatrio
Guitar Instructor,
Texas Lutheran University
Augustine
wrote:
> I support tolerance of opposing views. That includes consensual sexual
> relations between adults.
>
> Steve
Of course. So, let's say you have two sons. While rooming together
during college, they find that they're sexually attracted to each
other. They seek your blessing to engage in consensual sexual
relations. No problem? Later they decide that they want to get
"married." Quite alright? Alas, soon after their "nuptials" the sex
starts getting a bit stale, so they decide to bring sis into the
picture to form a nice little ménage à trois. Tragically, at the age
of 18 sis had to get an hysterectomy, so there's no risk of producing
children. On the bright side, sis is quite eager to join the fun with
her brothers. It's all good?
Raptor
Do you feel it's a moral imperative to launch into hyperbolic extremes
on everything with which you disagree ('tis the mark of an
ideologically captive mind, you know) or is it merely a recreational
elective? Like the physics of a billiard table, your responses are so
predictable, actually posting them adds little to any thread; we all
know what you think before you do.
Augustine
> Do you feel it's a moral imperative to launch into hyperbolic extremes
> on everything with which you disagree ('tis the mark of an
> ideologically captive mind, you know) or is it merely a recreational
> elective? Like the physics of a billiard table, your responses are so
> predictable, actually posting them adds little to any thread; we all
> know what you think before you do.
Mark, as the world-historical genius that you are, surely you
understand the value of apagogical arguments. But whether you do or do
not, set aside your ego for a moment. Don't assume that Steve needs
your help.
Raptor
Helping Steve doesn't interest me. Playing with you, does. Sort of
like a cat and a mouse, before it kills it.
la...@deack.net
>
> See Larry my ingeniuos idea works. your already being nicer to me.
That's only an illusion.
> You can be in my video. What do you suggest we talk about?
Moon landings.
> MT
Augustine
> Helping Steve doesn't interest me. Playing with you, does.
I'm sorry, Mark, but I don't swing that way. Please, never proposition
me again.
John R.
"Tashi" <michae...@starband.net> wrote in message
news:bb129ee8-c91a-4ec3...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Is this the sort of discourse you are going to bring to GFA? Or do you have
one set of standards behind a keyboard and another set in person?
John
Wollybird
> supposed to be open-minded?
Jesus Christ, John, where in the wide wolrd of sports did you ever get
that idea?
Wollybird
So long as they don't enroll in dental school, I'd say it's fine
Wollybird
> Can we change the subject to discussing lesbian homosexual sex. That
> almost happened to me once. I can provide details if you would like.
>
> MT
You were a lesbian?
The only problem with that is lesbians don't really look like
Penthouse would have us believe.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
You can't be looking too hard.
Listen, this is my brief take on the subject; take it as that and no more.
Marriage is a legal entity, but it is also a religious sacrament. I
know and respect this. As such, the legalization of "marriage" by the
state can be viewed by a semanticist as a religious abomination. I have
no problem with this view.
I believe the state has no compelling public interest in regulating
sexual conduct between consenting adults (absent violence). For this
reason, I don't believe that the state should be in the marriage
business. The legal document should be changed to a license for
domestic partners. There should be no distinction between heterosexual
and homosexual licenses. These partners would then be free to marry and
partake of the religious sacrament with the religious authority of their
choice (or not).
All legal rights of survivorship, custody, power of attorney, etc.
would reside in the domestic partnership license. Then the churches can
worry about cleaning up their own houses, instead of using the history
of religious tradition to deny homosexuals their civil rights.
I have heard this view in several places; it doesn't get a hearing
because arguing about the word "marriage" is easier for both sides--a
consequence of the LEGAL status of the word for gay advocates, and a
consequence of the RELIGIOUS status of the word for the religious
authorities.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>
> That has nothing to do with agreeing that the definition of marriage should
> not be changed. Gays have been free to associate.
Just caught this. Yes, it's true for the most part in my neck of the
woods. Can you seriously claim it is true universally in this country?
Steve
In my view, the bigotry
> is the knee-jerk classification of Augustine's objections. Aren't liberals
> supposed to be open-minded? That would, I presume, suggest a respectful
> discussion and reception of both sides of an issue. I hardly ever see that!
>
> John
>
>
Raptor
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
"... arguing about the word "marriage" is ... a consequence of the
LEGAL status of the word for gay advocates, and a consequence of the
RELIGIOUS status of the word for the religious authorities."
Steve: I believe yours is an apt summary of the contest. Still, some
religious authorities believe their "moral" view of the "sacramental"
nature of marriage should be allowed, be privileged, even, since in
many countries the only recognition of marriage is as a civil
contract, e.g. where sacramental celebrations alone are not protected
or recognized by civil law.
Tashi
> "Tashi" <michaeltha...@starband.net> wrote in message
John, calm your right winged ass down. But yes, I will be asking
Larry ( at the GFA) what his thoughts on 911 truth movement, tundratic
frogs, moon landings, and a basic math quiz.
MT
la...@deack.net
You got is Steve! Well said.
I have some friends I called as soon as the ruling came down. They
have had a domestic partnership for years now. This has been available
in California for quite a while.
OCGC:
These guys are both fine musicians and one plays CG very well.
Wollybird
>
> - Show quoted text -
Damn Libertarians
Tashi
I don't know what kind of lesbians you hangout with but the ones I
know are beautiful. The funny thing about lesbians is there is
usually a butch ugly one, and a really pretty one. When in doubt
Wollybird always choose the pretty one.
MT
socrates
You've never said that before, eh?
la...@deack.net
Not only that but to call someone on their bigoted statements... is
bigotry? Since when? Is John saying that about slavery too? I am
intolerant of bigots. This is what being open minded means and
distorting these words is all too common.
OCGC:
Guitar bigots in the CG world are common. I prefer organic CG but
I use an amplifier at my gig and don't see any conflict. I love modern
music but play mostly dead white guy music at gigs and love it just as
dearly. Why do we create such divisions? Is it so hard to accept that
others may prefer white wine to red or that some don't even like wine?
Wollybird
I usually do better with pretty hetrosexual women. The butch ugly one
is the diesel dyke, the pretty one is referred to as the lipstick
lesbian, btw.
Diesel dyke:
http://www.chezdiesel.demon.co.uk/images/diesel2.gif
David Schramm
an extra large room(band room) for the vendors directly across from the main
concert hall(about 20 yards). The smaller recital hall, class rooms, and
practice rooms are all within a 30-60 second walk from each other. The huge
student union has a bowling alley, pool hall, bar, and plenty of places to
eat. Logistically it is a GFA director and attendees dream. Plenty of Hotels
directly across the street. Dorms and cafeteria a 5-7 minute walk from the
music building. Awesome music library on campus. Less then 2 miles to the
international airport. Easy access to Freeways/Highways. Yosemite, Monterey
Bay, Kings Canyon National park (Home of the Giant Sequoia and Redwood
Trees) are all less than 1-2 hours away. Two water parks within 20 minutes,
Millerton Lake, Woodward Park, River Park, several golf courses, several
casinos, everywhere you look there are big shopping centers and malls,
plenty of international cuisine and gourmet resturants, etc..
The CSU, Summer Arts happens every July for 2weeks at CSUF. We've had Fisk,
Chapdelaine, Goluses, Robinson, Thachuk, Tennant, Teischolz, Serrano,
Romeros, Verdery, Bensusan, Masters, DelMonte, R.Marlow, and many others at
CSU-Summer Arts.
--
David Schramm
Clovis, CA
http://schrammguitars.com
http://onlineapprentice.com
la...@deack.net
>
> The butch ugly one is the diesel dyke, the pretty one
> is referred to as the lipstick lesbian, btw.
I bet you are the ugly one in your marriage. I know I am.
Miguel de Maria
> "Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:09adnUtVYdsP2LPV...@earthlink.com...
>
> >> On May 16, 7:30 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Was it the state supreme court decision? That would tend to do
> >>> it for me.
>
> >> Wow, Steve, I had no idea that you embraced homosexual activity. Your
> >> twin brother does too?
>
> > relations between adults.
>
> > Steve
>
> is the knee-jerk classification of Augustine's objections. Aren't liberals
> supposed to be open-minded? That would, I presume, suggest a respectful
> discussion and reception of both sides of an issue. I hardly ever see that!
>
> John
There you are again, narrow-mindedly accusing liberals of being narrow-
minded. I think Rush has conditioned you and your ilk so well--you
all bring out the same arguments!
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>
> Of course. So, let's say you have two sons. While rooming together
> during college, they find that they're sexually attracted to each
> other. They seek your blessing to engage in consensual sexual
> relations. No problem? Later they decide that they want to get
> "married." Quite alright? Alas, soon after their "nuptials" the sex
> starts getting a bit stale, so they decide to bring sis into the
> picture to form a nice little ménage à trois. Tragically, at the age
> of 18 sis had to get an hysterectomy, so there's no risk of producing
> children. On the bright side, sis is quite eager to join the fun with
> her brothers. It's all good?
>
>
>
You must think you're pretty clever. I think my statement was very clear.
--
Wollybird
I don't know. What do you think?
http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/wollybird/?action=tageditmany
la...@deack.net
> > I bet you are the ugly one in your marriage. I know I am.
>
> I don't know. What do you think?http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/wollybird/?action=tageditmany
What am I supposed to be seeing? It's going to the main page.
Tashi
Somehow I doubt that.
MT
Tashi
Yea, if I were you I wouldn't post a picture of yourself either......
the game would be up!
MT
Tashi
David, being near bowling alleys, pool halls, and cafeterias, would be
reasons to not have it there. Beaches, international destinations,
exotic surroundings, international cuisine etc. would be reasons to
go.
One of the last Farking GFA's (1989) I went to was in Lubbuck Texas in
a motel on the side of a highway. I can't tell you just how fun that
was.........
MT
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
All the better to respect the establishment clause in this country. I
have no problem with the sacrament. Changing the word of law here would
expose any remaining objection for what it would be--hypocrisy.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> You got is Steve! Well said.
>
> I have some friends I called as soon as the ruling came down. They
> have had a domestic partnership for years now. This has been available
> in California for quite a while.
>
> OCGC:
> These guys are both fine musicians and one plays CG very well.
Most domestic partnership laws have some holes in them. I was told of
an instance in NY State for example where a domestic partner was unable
to visit her parter in an hospital ICU because she wasn't a "family member"
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>
> Damn Libertarians
I'm a big gummint libertarian.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>
> Not only that but to call someone on their bigoted statements... is
> bigotry? Since when? Is John saying that about slavery too? I am
> intolerant of bigots. This is what being open minded means and
> distorting these words is all too common.
For obvious reasons, I would never consider John a bigot on matters racial.
>
> OCGC:
> Guitar bigots in the CG world are common. I prefer organic CG but
> I use an amplifier at my gig and don't see any conflict. I love modern
> music but play mostly dead white guy music at gigs and love it just as
> dearly. Why do we create such divisions? Is it so hard to accept that
> others may prefer white wine to red or that some don't even like wine?
No fargin' merlot--OK?
Steve
>
>
--
la...@deack.net
California's is pretty good from what my friends have told me. That
issue was one of their biggies. They are not really thinking of
getting married. Neither is religious but one has a very religious
family who have never even acknowledged their decades long
relationship.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Somehow links me to the photobucket home page.
--
la...@deack.net
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> For obvious reasons, I would never consider John a bigot on matters racial.
That was the point of using that particular example of intolerance :-)
> > Is it so hard to accept that others may prefer white wine to red or that some don't even like wine?
>
> No fargin' merlot--OK?
Red wine is only allowed if it comes out of a spruce barrel.
Wollybird
Wollybird
What game would that be?
la...@deack.net
>
> Hmmm... try thishttp://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/wollybird/?action=view&curre...
Is that you?
Wollybird
The guy is. The woman is my soon to be ex.
la...@deack.net
Hey, you are both good looking folks (that is what we can see of
you there). Sorry to hear about your impending divorce. Hope it has
nothing to do with how much time you spend in RMCG :-)
Thanks for posting this Wollybuddy. Nice to connect a face (even
half a face) with your posts. Welcome to the open cyber world.
Wollybird
I'm looking forward to my divorce. I've been with her for 10 years. 6
would have been enough.
I think, for me, serial monogomy is the ticket. I'll throw a few more
pics in if I can figure it out.
Tashi
Wollybird it's ok don't rupture a brain cell, we get the idea.
MT
Tashi
You know "the Game".
MT
Wollybird
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, what game?
la...@deack.net
>
> I think, for me, serial monogomy is the ticket.
Jut watch out for those bi girls with jealous partners who can beat
you up.
> I'll throw a few more pics in if I can figure it out.
I'm betting you can figure it out. Look forward to a better look at
our resident libertarian banker dude. You know what they say about a
picture and a thousand words.
Now if I can only get my web hosting site to fix their server. I
have a ton of pictures I'd like to post this summer but if this is
what they are going to do to me... well maybe TG's open source
solution is looking better. Want to bet on him coming out of his
closet?
Steven Bornfeld
>
> Hmmm... try this
> http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/wollybird/?action=view¤t=scan0002.jpg&t=1211052904187
You're both good-looking people. And you're another guy who's hair I'm
jealous of.
Steve
Augustine
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> You must think you're pretty clever. I think my statement was very clear.
Notice that you failed to answer my questions. As for your statement,
it was typically incoherent.
I'll ask again: Your adult sons want to engage in consensual sex and
get "married." Sis, who cannot have children, wants to join in the sex
with her brothers. They seek your blessing. Do you give it?
Steven Bornfeld
> On May 17, 9:27 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
>> You must think you're pretty clever. I think my statement was very clear.
>
> Notice that you failed to answer my questions.
Give that man a cigar!
la...@deack.net
wrote:
>
> Give that man a cigar!
LOL!
Wollybird
wrote:
> Wollybird wrote:
>
> > Hmmm... try this
>
> You're both good-looking people. And you're another guy who's hair I'm
> jealous of.
>
> Steve
We're trying to look good looking. Here is the whole tribe, and me as
I really look:
http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/wollybird/
la...@deack.net
>
> We're trying to look good looking. Here is the whole tribe, and me as
> I really look:http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/wollybird/
You mean you're really a white squirrel???
Thanks again... nice pictures.
Steven Bornfeld
>
> We're trying to look good looking. Here is the whole tribe, and me as
> I really look:
> http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/wollybird/
They're gorgeous--you're a very lucky man!
Steve
Augustine
wrote:
> Give that man a cigar!
I'll take this as an admission that you have no principled bases to
object to your sons and daughters engaging in consensual sex and
getting "married." You represent tens upon tens of millions, for such
is the Brave New World. A hard rain's a-gonna fall indeed.
Yet, since I sense that you're uncomfortable with this admission,
there's hope. Therefore I recommend consulting my list here:
http://www.amazon.com/Resist-the-Brave-New-World/lm/R3Q3OGUF5MNEK2/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_title_full
Raptor
Sisyphus continues pushing that rock uphill, praying this time, it
won't roll back and crush him. Like Charlie Brown and the football,
he keeps believing Lucy won't snatch it away. Jackson, you are in
desperate need of some graduate work in process theology, if for no
other reason, to learn God didn't stop revealing "the plan" in the
13th century. Your hostile resistance to any possibility grace is at
work in the world today, in times, places and forms your narrow
perspective refuses to entertain, is nearly heretical in itself. Try
as you might, you can't put the divine in a box. God will be God.
Steven Bornfeld
(snip)
You represent tens upon tens of millions, for such
> is the Brave New World.
"If nominated I will not run; if elected I will not serve."
Wollybird
wrote:
Thankyouvery much. Right now I am a very tired man.
Augustine
> you are in desperate need of some graduate work in process theology,
So you embrace process theology. Of course you do! It's part of the
breakdown.
Mark, I've been meaning to ask: Did your apostasy and betrayal of your
vows have anything to do with a wish to engage in homosexual activity?
John Rimmer
"Miguel de Maria" <elegantspa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0575c31c-024c-4f66...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 8:27 pm, "John R." <jdr...@sbcglobal.nte> wrote:
> "Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:09adnUtVYdsP2LPV...@earthlink.com...
>
> > Augustine wrote:
> >> On May 16, 7:30 am, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Was it the state supreme court decision? That would tend to do
> >>> it for me.
>
> >> Wow, Steve, I had no idea that you embraced homosexual activity. Your
> >> twin brother does too?
>
> > I support tolerance of opposing views. That includes consensual sexual
> > relations between adults.
>
> > Steve
>
> That has nothing to do with agreeing that the definition of marriage
> should
> not be changed. Gays have been free to associate. In my view, the bigotry
> is the knee-jerk classification of Augustine's objections. Aren't liberals
> supposed to be open-minded? That would, I presume, suggest a respectful
> discussion and reception of both sides of an issue. I hardly ever see
> that!
>
> John
>There you are again, narrow-mindedly accusing liberals of being narrow-
>minded. I think Rush has conditioned you and your ilk so well--you
>all bring out the same arguments!
Perhaps it is a liberal trend. I see it in you and Michael's posts all the
time. This is a good example, from you. Michael's have been, as well.
John
Raptor
You're insufferable. And a comic. Why on earth would someone looking
for gay activity leave religious life? You won't find a better
hunting ground. Betrayal of vows? - hardly; simple vows expire
annually. Apostate? Provide your evidence. By the way - Ratzinger
taught process theology as well as dogmatics. I studied it with one
of his students. To learn it any better, I'd have had to study with
Ratzinger himself. Ball's in your court. But the cat is growing
bored with the mouse.
John Nguyen
> > Can we change the subject to discussing lesbian homosexual sex. That
> > almost happened to me once. I can provide details if you would like.
>
> > MT
>
> You were a lesbian?
> The only problem with that is lesbians don't really look like
> Penthouse would have us believe.
Not sure about MT, but I must confess I'm a lesbian in a man's body.
Cheers,
John
Andrew Schulman
> Not sure about MT, but I must confess I'm a lesbian in a man's body.
> Cheers,
>
>
Congratulations!
Andrew
Andrew Schulman
> So long as they don't enroll in dental school, I'd say it's fine
>
>
But what if they floss regularly?
Andrew
Carlos Barrientos
--
Carlos Barrientos
"mailto:ca...@sprintmail.com"
Phone: (713) 647-6018
Augustine
> Ball's in your court. But the cat is growing bored with the mouse.
Not "growing"; I've already grown bored with you. By the way, please
never again offer me your balls. Thanks.
John LaCroix
Don't worry, no one here is offering you their balls - your mouth is
already stuffed....
Tashi
Wishful thinking Jackson? or freudian slip?
MT