Lessons with the ultra famous
Tommy Grand
I'd like to put on my resume that I studied with guys like Chris
Parkening, the Romeros, Liona Boyd, etc. How do you go about getting
a few lessons with these people? Call there agents? How do you find
the agents?
Thanks,
TG
Matt Faunce
I bet there are a bunch of Romeros in Chicago who will teach you for a
deep discount. Why don't you ask them for lessons?
You're welcome,
Matt
Tashi
Call Pepe Romero and tell him you want to buy one of his Son's guitars
for $12,000. Pepe might then invite you over for dinner, and sell you
one of his Son's guitars. After shelling out the $12,000, asked him
if he can slip in a lesson for free.
This BTW, is a true story.......... I know a guy who did it........
minus the lesson.
Ray Victory
Can you please post his number? Come to think of it I have a few
questions I'd like to ask him. How to get an even tremolo, etc.
Slogoin
LOL!
> Come to think of it I have a few questions I'd like to ask him.
> How to get an even tremolo, etc.
He does teach private lessons and is very approachable in
person. He's working with USC students and does a concert every year
for student scholarships. He also does master classes for the USC
students that are open to the public. If you are serious, I'm sure
that you could make contact with him through USC. Try an email to
Brian Head (USC department head) - email at GFA web site (GFA head).
John Sorell
18cbb3...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
I'm sure Tony Morris could help out.
John
Tommy Grand
> Tommy Grand <howardj...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:32840046-372d-4857-968f-
> 18cbb317e...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I'd like to put on my resume that I studied with guys like Chris
> > Parkening, the Romeros, Liona Boyd, etc. How do you go about getting
> > a few lessons with these people? Call there agents? How do you find
> > the agents?
>
> > Thanks,
> > TG
>
> I'm sure Tony Morris could help out.
>
> John
Ha ha, I'm sure Tony wouldn't abuse his radio show for networking or
nepotism.
himme...@verizon.net
Get accepted as a guitar major at the school where your desired artist
teaches,
S
Tashi
Fair and Balanced.
Dicerous
Fly to Spain! Buy a guitar, travel around with your loved one. Then
go visit David Rusell in his revenant village; I think it's somewhere
north of madrid. Pepe Romero is a very good teacher, Angel is around
LA somewhere to. They all teach I think. Have you seen Azabagic yet
in Chicago? He's quasi-famous thanks to some demonstrative nepotism
and networking. And so it goes! BTW you have to take more than one
lesson in order to honestly say on your resume *lessons with so and
so*. Otherwise just say *masterclass*. I'm not sure it has much of
an effect on anyone really; audiences simply demand good playing.
David
Tommy Grand
wrote:
Seth I think I'd like take a year or two off and get a DMA. As an
amateur with no formal music training, what do you think I need to do
in order to accomplish this? I hope your not going to tell me I need
to first obtain ANOTHER undergrad degree.
Tommy Grand
Whoa I didn't know Azabagic was from Chicago. Cool tip! I was
thinking of trying to get connected with Paul Henry and there's also a
lguy named Brian Torosian who seems to know what he's doing. But I'm
really looking for someone whose CD you might find in the stacks at
Borders.
Richard Yates
>But I'm
> really looking for someone whose CD you might find in the stacks at
> Borders.
Why didn't you say so:
Tommy Grand
Ha ha! I would take lessons from Esteban, but I already downloaded
his entire video for free. He fills up about 10 hours of time easily,
because he teaches a bunch of simple pieces note by note. Even
Lagrima!
Dicerous
Stephen Robinson lives in Deland, Florida. Although you might never
have heard of him, he has a doctorate in guitar performance. He also
has some kind of distribution deal with Borders! ;) Btw Manuel
Velaszuez lives rather close to Deland. If you really want to impress
people get a Velasquez (but I think the waiting list is pretty long).
Then of course you can go to Disney while you're there!
David
Eric E
Hi Tommy,
I would look for master classes from these artists and then speak
with them after the class about a lesson or two as well. I've
attended master classes with Oscar Ghiglia, Ana Vidovic, and William
Kanengiser. Although, I am a jazz player I studied classical in
college and got to attend some really good master classes there and
through the CT guitar society. I've done that kind of thing at jazz
master classes and found many famous players to be generous with their
time. This Sat. I'll be teaching a jazz master class right before
William Kanengiser at the University of CT. I'm not ready to ask him
for a lesson yet (I've got a long way to go with my classical chops),
but I certianly would bug him if I was at a better place with my
classical playing. I might ask him to jam though. :-)
--Eric Elias
Dicerous
I thought Bill Kanengiser was a comedian?
Eric E
>
> - Show quoted text -
Is there really a program where you can get a DMA in a year or two?
I'd be interested in that if anyone knows of one. I just assume that
any doctoral degree (other than an MD or a JD) would be 3 to 5 years
depending on your masters
degree.
--Eric E.
Tommy Grand
>
> - Show quoted text -
Most grad students spend 3/4 of the time dicking off, playing chess at
the student union, etc. I'm accustomed to working 10 hour days
already.
Tommy Grand
> Stephen Robinson lives in Deland, Florida. Although you might never
> have heard of him, he has a doctorate in guitar performance.
Yes, some years ago I was looking for a recording of Ned Rorem's Suite
for Guitar and found Stephen Robinson's disc in the public library. I
thought it was great stuff. Maybe I should track him down, even
though I've been trying to avoid Florida since leaving at age 22.
Dicerous
Good lord tommy! HAHA
roofus
What makes you think that you wouldn't need to? Is your playing that
hot?
Tommy Grand
> What makes you think that you wouldn't need to? Is your playing that
> hot?
No, but that's not the point. Do you know how college works?
roofus
To do all the work necessary to achieve a doctorate in guitar in 2
years you would need to be superman.
Tommy Grand
Shit! What's involved?
Tashi
David you are such a romantic.
roofus
Virtuosic playing, pretty much.
roofus
Add to that all of the music history, theory, form and analysis,
conducting, sightsinging, pedagogy, etc, etc...
Tommy Grand
> Virtuosic playing, pretty much.
Bah, I find that very hard to believe.
Tommy Grand
I base this on my experiences as a math grad student. You don't have
to be a math genius to get a PhD, you just have to be willing to hang
around and find someone who will agree to be your dissertation
advisor.
Learnwell
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to put on my resume that I studied with guys like Chris
> Parkening, the Romeros, Liona Boyd, etc. How do you go about getting
> a few lessons with these people? Call there agents? How do you find
> the agents?
>
> Thanks,
> TG
Do it like it has been done for years; Sit in a masterclass and say,
"Studied with . . ." 'Most of the studied with Segovia' resumes are
just that, and no, one lesson or playing in a masterclass is not
'studied with'.
I remember having a conversation about 15 or so years ago with someone
I knew and all of a sudden he interejected with, "Well, when I studied
with Fisk he (such and such)." I said, "Wow, you studied with Fisk, I
had no idea," and he said, "Well, I observed a masterclass." A classic
expression of the human condition.
If you study with someone you spend some time with them. How many
teachers here would claim a student as their own who took one lesson,
or observed them teach once or twice?
In any case do like many others, much more accomplished than you
do. . . lie.
Learnwell
> for Guitar and found Stephen Robinson's disc in the public library.
The definitive recording of that was made by the dedicatee under
Rorem's direction.
No disrespect to Robinson's version. I heard it some time ago and
remember being pleased.
roofus
I've been there, it's demanding.
Go ahead then. Look for starters at the repertoire that is require of
a doctoral student or even a Master's level student. You aren't gonna
get that kind of chops in 1 or 2 years. You might even injure
yourself trying that. Are you even able to pull off a1 hour recital
at present?
Dicerous
Tommy,
Dont' listen to this fool. The vast majority of guitar programs are
desperate for your money. What a bunch of crap.
Tommy Grand
> > Yes, some years ago I was looking for a recording of Ned Rorem's Suite
> > for Guitar and found Stephen Robinson's disc in the public library.
>
> The definitive recording of that was made by the dedicatee under
> Rorem's direction.
Good call, I just ordered it. Although I once heard someone say that
composers really suck at giving helpful advice to performers.
Hey, that guy's in Illinois, maybe he'll give me a lesson. Will you
write me a letter of introduction?
roofus
You think that Tommy can get a doctorate in 1-2 years with no classes
to date?
Tommy Grand
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm thinking you just have to be able to pull of stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKd3aE10bTE
By the way, I'm not talking about one to two years from NOW, but one
to two years from ENTRY INTO THE PROGRAM.
Dicerous
possibly, Einstein was a lowly worker at one point. Honestly, that bs
about the academic regimen is completely stifling to musical ability.
Now we can get into an argument about what is good and what is
beautiful if you want...certainly academia is far from an authority on
the subject.
David
Dicerous
Good call Tommy, often true. Another example of authenticity
supervening on the artist. Who cares how rachmaninoff played his own
pieces. It's interesting, but so are circus side shows.
Eric E
I like your comment Tommy. :-)
I'm with roofus though. My wife's doctorate required somewhere around
90 credit hours, which was three years of classes, year of supervised
internship and a year to write a dissertation. It took her 6 years
though, since we'd just had our first child. My masters was 70
credits and a thesis, which was research based, so it took time to set
up the research design, review the literature (make sure I wasn't
duplicating someone else's work, make sure I was maiking a valid
contribution to the field, etc). It took almost three years to
complete that degree. I played very little chess. Although I played
a lot of guitar. It required tons of reading and writing. If you are
used to working long hours, you should be comfortable in a grad
program.
--Eric E.
Dicerous
I did my graduate work while working 8 hours at night, 2 hours of
classes (an hour away) and performed at a restaurant in the evening.
It can be time consuming, but only if one is working full time. Think
of it like law school, if you go to harvard you can't do anything
else, but if you go to night school you can do it on your own time.
So much time is wasted going over * the obvious* and how one does *the
obvious*. Playing guitar is not rocket science (unless you have a
learning disability!) Personally, I think a graduate degree in
liberal arts is better for one's overall musical life than wasting
countless hours practicing one's mistakes over and over again!
Tommy Grand
Ok, these are the graduate audition requirements for Southern Illinois
University, where Learnwell's dude is professor:
Two and Three-octave major and minor scales (Andres Segovia edition).
Any selections from the Twenty Studies for Guitar by Fernando Sor
(Segovia edition).
Selected solo repertiore from the Renaissance (Milan,Dowland,etc.)
Baroque(Sanz, Bach, etc.)periods.
http://music.siuc.edu/admission/grad_audition.html#guitar
I've already posted Sor and Milan to YouTube! Wonder how much
polishing I'd need to do if I wanted to get into this program. Hmm.
In state tuition too!!
Dicerous
Kill two birds with one stone, play the scales, sor and milan for
Denis Azabagic. YOU ask the questions...let HIM answer. Listen to
him! Then go and do it.
Tommy Grand
What if he says "you'll never play at a high level unless you practice
4 hours a day for a year". I'd at least like to get a credential for
all that work.
Alain Reiher
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David
Proof of that ...
This is beautiful!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvRxA8gR7bw
Alain
Tommy Grand
> "Dicerous" <dicer...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I assume you investigated his academic credentials prior to jumping to
a conclusion...
Alain Reiher
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yes I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW76uNH58ik
This is the how to ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-GN-BP_Qlk
Alain
Dicerous
If you're in a graduate program...(btw some places offer combined
masters and doctorate in three years) you will be practicing that
much. However if you get a gig, practice and get paid for it! I've-r
heard your playing, but how is your sight-reading coming? That's
really the key. Also, I'd recommend a good 6months of piano lessons
at some point.
David
Stanley Yates
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It's possible, though it took me 3 years. I did my Masters in 8 months.
sy
Tommy Grand
> "roofus" <rayf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Stanley...true or false: to obtain a DMA in guitar, your playing needs
to be virtuosic or nearly so.
Stanley Yates
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You'll be expected to be playing challenging concert repertoire, large
pieces.
Tommy Grand
> "Tommy Grand" <howardj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Is that a yes or no?
roofus
Maybe a concerto thrown in?
Slogoin
Does the Vivaldi count?
Christopher Davis
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to put on my resume that I studied with guys like Chris
> Parkening, the Romeros, Liona Boyd, etc. How do you go about getting
> a few lessons with these people? Call there agents? How do you find
> the agents?
>
> Thanks,
> TG
I did the Chris Parkening summer masterclass. That was just an
audition thing, send a CD, get invited, have a two lessons with Mr.
Parkening in front of the class. That said, it was not the greatest
masterclass experience. One day he talked about me clothing, and how
I looked nice. Which, I'll admit, I appreciated, but I flew to
Montana to learn guitar things. I already knew I was snappy dresser.
Masterclasses are the best way to connect with these people. Or go to
concerts. Or just go their website and send an email. Sometimes you
hear back, sometimes not. You could also, in cases like Chris
Parkening or Pepe, seek out the schools they teach at. Go for a
visit. See if you can do a lesson.
-CD
______________
Christopher Davis
www.christopherguitar.net
www.classicalguitarblog.net/chris
roofus
I would give Christopher the benefit of the doubt and assume that he
was trying to be friendly and loosen up the atmosphere.
Dicerous
Passing yet another *judgment* rather than constructive repartee
doesn't loosen up the atmosphere!
David
Stanley Yates
-----
It's a no
roofus
Complimenting another's appearance is not judgement, on the face of
it.
Learnwell
No need, attend his week long seminar given every June. I have for
many years, very enlightening from every perspective. One year I
played the Rorem and he furnished the autograph. Very interesting.
Learnwell
> University, where Learnwell's dude is professor:
>
> Two and Three-octave major and minor scales (Andres Segovia edition).
> Any selections from the Twenty Studies for Guitar by Fernando Sor
> (Segovia edition).
> Selected solo repertiore from the Renaissance (Milan,Dowland,etc.)
> Baroque(Sanz, Bach, etc.)periods.
>
> http://music.siuc.edu/admission/grad_audition.html#guitar
This is obviously an error, check the undergrad requirements:
http://music.siuc.edu/admission/ug_audition.html#guitar
I'm sure a lot of the 'old guard' are going through the same
difficulty adjusting to the new media. You should do so bad as to
study with such a great musical mind.
Tommy Grand
You're right, that's got to be an error. I'll e-mail the guy and see
what's up. Maybe he can teach me to play the Allegretto movement of
the Rorem peice, which is probably the one one I could handle.
Tommy Grand
Here are the graduate requirements at the Edwardsville campus:
CLASSICAL GUITAR Perform one piece (or single movement) from either
composer in
each group below:
A. J.S. Bach or S.L.Weiss
B. F. Sor or M. Giuliani
C. H. Villa-Lobos or A. Lauro
The overall audition should demonstrate melodic and arpeggio style
playing.
That's pretty general, but maybe they assume you'll know better than
to show up with an easy Sor study.
Dicerous
Of course it is, it's an aesthetic judgment. That's how it's sent and
that's how it's received. My god don't you people know the slightest
thing about aesthetics? Read Kan'ts 3rd critique, then we'll
discuss. I'm so sick of the quasi-juridical tone of these spurious
arguments that are so common in this forum. Papa (aka MO aka
Mantanya) spends his whole life fielding judgments about the world;
he tries to mask it as legitimate critique. Critique is much more
than opinion and judgment.
David
roofus
Any time you compliment someone about how they look it is aesthetic.
So what? It isn't a moral issue unless you know of ill intent.
Dicerous
roofus,
There are two types of lying: disavowal and repression. This is an
example of repression. When people pass judgment like that they are
communicating from a field of mirrors and asserting their narcissism.
You didn't listen to what the kid said...he said *I didn't go there
to learn about clothing I went their to learn about guitar*. You are
blinded by your own inability to see the big picture, that being that
IT WAS RECEIVED AS A JUDGMENT AND THEREFORE WAS SENT AS A JUDGMENT. I
don't doubt that I can find witnesses you fool. Who's paying whom
after all? THE STUDENT IS IN CHARGE OF HIS OR HER OWN LEARNING IT"S
UP TO YOU TO SEE HOW YOUR MESSAGES ARE RECEIVED, NOT HOW YOU INTEND
THEM TO BE RECEIVED.
edspyhill01
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to put on my resume that I studied with guys like Chris
> Parkening, the Romeros, Liona Boyd, etc. How do you go about getting
> a few lessons with these people? Call there agents? How do you find
> the agents?
>
> Thanks,
> TG
You can take webcam lessons with Kevin Gallagher.
roofus
You're really fired up about this, arent cha?
Dicerous
Not at all roofus.
David
JonLorPro
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to put on my resume that I studied with guys like Chris
> Parkening, the Romeros, Liona Boyd, etc. �How do you go about getting
Some suggestions:
1) Inflate. I know this suggestion has already been made. But to
amplify, if you happen to encounter Jason Vieux in a deli in the midst
of ordering a pastrami on rye, ask him if he recommends planting. If
he says yes or no, give his advise due consideration and then proclaim
yourself his student.
2) Obfuscate. If you can find such, study with Kris Parquening, the
Romores, Lisa Boyd, etc.
3) Be pro-active. Go to conservatories, select some promising young
unknown, take a few lessons, and then devote your time and fortune to
furthering his career until he attains to stature comparable to those
whom you presently admire.
4) Be independent. Defy the establishment! Adopt the attitude of one
friend of mine, who in the notes to his album wrote that he is "the
only classical guitarist in this century (i.e., the 20th) never to
have studied with Segovia."
roofus
It just looks like it with the "yelling" (CAPS).
Dicerous
Roofus,
Many times caps are used in text for emphasis. Don't assume that just
because this the internet that it means a change in volume.
Your friend,
David
roofus
Right- I can't judge your intent by the external form.