----- Original Message -----From: Roman TurovskySent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:42 AMSubject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist<<snip>>
I can't even remember
> what the original dispute between Arthur and Matanya was about. I think it
> had something to do with whether a certain composer's name was Leonhart
> Leornardo. I think Matanya's vitriol reflects more on Matanya than Arthur,
> and Arthur wisely chose to ignore most of it.
The Beethoven influences thread sounds very interesting. Is the lute
group a Google group? Could you please post the link?
CheckWayne Cripps's (he's the list owner) lute page.And surely you are
welcome to join the list. The instructions for subscribing are also on
Matanya's constant harping that guitarists are not welcomed is
entirely false. Just today a guitarist was telling the group how effective
was a performance of Dowland's Forlorn Hope Fantasia on a grand piano. That
may be a tempting target for the SoHippers, but there is a tolerance for a
varierty of views over there. Matanya and that Thames guy were booted
because their comments were seen as libelous, and would render the list
owner liable for a suit for libel, if one were to be launched. (According to
a lawyer who reads the the list.) Which seems
very unlikely. But libel is not protected free speech.
Oh yes, almost forgot. Wayne's page (lots of interesting stuff on it),
including loads of lute music in tablature (*.pdf and other formats),
addresses of lute societies allover the world, links, etc.
also has a free tablature program that could be used to make Guitar TABs.
Young Generation, Inc..
<edspy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Thanks for the link. I'll just be lurking on the Lute list.
>The discussion was about Beethoven influences on 19th century guitar music, in a thread started by Eugene Braig. It had nothing to do with Matanya, but he came charging in any way. I remembered the example of a typical Beethoven chord progression that I saw in that Irish fantasia on his web site several years ago. But because I didn't want to to be distracted by the wrong notes in his edition, I referred to the original manuscript in Copenhagen which can be downloaded
>The spelling "Leonardo Schultz" is used in an article in Guitar Review, and presumably elsewhere, since the guitarist is mentioned in passing. Brian Jeffery also uses that spelling. But the spelling of his name wasn't the topic of discussion.
>Which spelling should be used? If I were editing a book, I'd use the spelling given in the Library of Congress Name Authority files, which are used by library cataloguers to provide uniformity in all U.S. libraries. If he is not in the Name Authority files, I'd see what spelling is used in New Grove, and so forth down the line. Maybe we could compromise and use "Leonardus Praetorius." My my. There's a Praetorius listed in Zuth's handbook on the lute and guitar. A relative, perhaps?
According to the latest news reports, the national blowjobless rate is
at an all-time high:
P.S. I don't know what this has to do with anything either, so please
>Matnya can spell the name any way he wants. I don't give a damn.
>And why he should be so concerned about how I spell it, is beyond explanation.
It prevents chaos in the library, and permits the most inexperienced
library patron to find books with ease. ...<grin>
> I just wish he'd correct all those wrong notes in that Irish fantasia
OK. Since you are so concerned with my wrong notes, let us see what
you can do. You can engrave in Score, you have access to the same
source I used, so let us see how good an editor YOU are. Actually,
everybody has access to the same source I used and many here are
competent engravers and editors of guitar music. So how about another
contest? not an emulation, and not a comparison between engraving
software, but a contest between editors. You have in front of you all
the rationale I used in making my own edition here:
print it out, study it, and see what you agree with and what you do
not, then make up your own edition and submit it to me in PDF format.
You too, Arthur. Let's say, a cut off date of November 15th?
I will then post all the submissions on a specially designed page on
my web site, all at once, and we shall give the people a chance to
compare and judge for themselves. And remember: we will not be
comparing Lilypond to Finale to Sibelius, but the individual editor's
competence. Individual judgments of each of the submissions will be
sent privately to an ombudsman, I would suggest John Sloan would be a
good person to handle that, and then the results will be published
here on St. Patrick's Day 2006, I will bestow on the winner the grand
prize of a six-pack of Guinness stout, at my expense. Second prize
winner will get a six-pack of Arrogant Bastard Ale. There will not be
a third prize.
Ah, another Celtic convert.
I am no convert at all, but the real thing. What you apparently do not
know, is that there 12 tribes who were exiled from the Land of Israel.
Only 2 of them seems to have survived and 10 are lost. Old story. But
the mere fact that red hair occurs naturally in only two racial
groups, the Ashkenazi Jews and the Celts, would indicate where the 10
lost tribes ended...