Any thoughts on Frederick M. Noad's "Solo Guitar Playing"?

[Ben Floyd]

Just wondering if anyone has used either of Noad's books, title "Solo
Guitar Playing", parts 1 and 2. Ive seen a few methods similar to this
one, but Noad's approach seems ultra progressive, as in its very
complete in its content. Also, its got a few pieces i love and cant
wait to play.

so, anyone?

Ben Floyd
ev...@pondie.com

[Curt Simon]

While the repertoire is very good, and while I own two of Noad's books, I
prefer Christopher Parkening's books. They seem to anticipate performance
problems better -- more like having someone there with you.

Curt Simon

"Ben Floyd" <ev...@pondie.com> wrote in message
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[Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS]

Ben Floyd wrote:

I went through the first book maybe 20 years ago. The good thing is
that it introduces a lot of concepts very early, and has you playing
interesting pieces quickly. What isn't so good is that it introduces a
lot of concepts very early, and has you playing interesting pieces
quickly. The way I could have maximized the good aspects, and minimized
the bad aspects would have been to work with a good teacher.

Just my 2 cents,
Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.dentaltwins.com

[Michael Fogler]

For rank beginners, I prefer Frederick Noad's First Book for the Guitar Series
(3 volumes). They're shorter, more succinct, and more emphasizing duos with the
teacher which I like. I've had good success with these, whereas with the Solo
Guitar Playing Series I've found myself picking and choosing out of them. The
First Book Series have worked going all the way through them.

Michael Fogler
In article <604fc0ca.03111...@posting.google.com>,
ev...@pondie.com (Ben Floyd) wrote:

--
Michael Fogler
http://home.igc.org/~mfogler/

[Sam Culotta]

They're good books, Ben, but my advice to you would be to do some research
and hook up with a good teacher, then follow the teacher's lead. Many
teachers use the Noad book , many the Parkening book, many the Shearer
books; many use more than one.

--
Sam
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"Ben Floyd" <ev...@pondie.com> wrote in message
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[Ben Floyd]

hmmm.. I didnt know he authored other books. Speaking of duets, ive
had some fun with my little 4-track and few of the practice pieces
meant for student/teacher together.

ben

Michael Fogler <mfo...@igc.org> wrote in message news:<mfogler-23C42C...@news06.east.earthlink.net>...

[Roger A. Cope]

I've used both the "1st Book" and "Solo Guitar Playing" as texts in class
guitar settings for over 25 years. The abundance of material within the
context of guided curriculum allows the student to acquire a better
foundation (definitions, staff notation, guitar-specific nomenclature) for
continued study at their own pace.

The relevance of one method over another must be measured by what a student
expects to achieve in self-guided study. After 32 years of teaching I've
come to the conclusion one should never - under any circumstances - attempt
to learn guitar playing, beyond the realm of a few chords, without direct
and consistent input from a teacher. The costs and penalties are simply too
high.

"Solo" is a five year book. If properly introduced the rewards are
abundant. Without a teacher any method or instruction book may fail due to
'erroneous inferences' from the student. The key is qualified leadership,
early. Thereafter it's possible to establish a working pace more suitable
for the individual.

rac

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[Sam Culotta]

"Roger A. Cope" <ci...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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> I've used both the "1st Book" and "Solo Guitar Playing" as texts in class
> guitar settings for over 25 years. The abundance of material within the
> context of guided curriculum allows the student to acquire a better
> foundation (definitions, staff notation, guitar-specific nomenclature) for
> continued study at their own pace.
>
> The relevance of one method over another must be measured by what a
student
> expects to achieve in self-guided study. After 32 years of teaching I've
> come to the conclusion one should never - under any circumstances -
attempt
> to learn guitar playing, beyond the realm of a few chords, without direct
> and consistent input from a teacher. The costs and penalties are simply
too
> high.
>
> "Solo" is a five year book. If properly introduced the rewards are
> abundant. Without a teacher any method or instruction book may fail due
to
> 'erroneous inferences' from the student. The key is qualified leadership,
> early. Thereafter it's possible to establish a working pace more suitable
> for the individual.
>
> rac
>

Very well put, Roger.

I am the poster boy for those who go through both "Solo" books sans teacher
and find themselves in a dark alley, staring at a blank wall.

" Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

--
Sam
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[GIMME]

Parkening offers a Masters class every July.

It lasts 4 or 5 days.

So a lot of what he talks about in the class is touched upon
during the class.

So if you use the Parkening book you have the advantage of
connecting what you read to what you hear during the class.

Also, some of the songs in the second book is on one of his CDs.

"Sam Culotta" <culot...@gte.invalid> wrote in message news:<cZTub.59524$n6....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...

[Roger A. Cope]

"find themselves in a dark alley, staring at a blank wall." Also well said.

It's not even an interesting dead-end. It's just, well - dark & blank. With
an option for pain. rac

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[john....@alumni.pitt.edu]

ev...@pondie.com (Ben Floyd) wrote:

I've always loved these two Frederick Noad Books, and I studied out of
them "on my own" for some years. The thing I love about these two
books is that it is the only method I know of that has so many
"substantial" pieces included in the books.

However, I finally began taking guitar lessons just over one year ago.
My teacher has me using the six books by Julio Sagreras.

Now, although I still love Noad's books, I think they have the
following weaknesses:
1. Many of the pieces are not edited very well and contain mistakes.
2. After using Sagreras' books, I now feel that Mr. Noad should have
included more information on the suggested dynamics and fingering for
each piece....I mean he should have clearly indicated where "rest
strokes" instead of "free strokes" are to be used, and more helpful
fingerings should have been provided.

I would really love to see someone do a good edit of these two books
because of the tremendous number of substantial repertoire pieces
included.

Regards,
John E. Golden

[Greg M. Silverman]

john....@alumni.pitt.edu wrote:

>ev...@pondie.com (Ben Floyd) wrote:
>
>
>
>>Just wondering if anyone has used either of Noad's books, title "Solo
>>Guitar Playing", parts 1 and 2. Ive seen a few methods similar to this
>>one, but Noad's approach seems ultra progressive, as in its very
>>complete in its content. Also, its got a few pieces i love and cant
>>wait to play.
>>
>>so, anyone?
>>
>>
>
>I've always loved these two Frederick Noad Books, and I studied out of
>them "on my own" for some years. The thing I love about these two
>books is that it is the only method I know of that has so many
>"substantial" pieces included in the books.
>
>

What about Pujol... his studies in book 3 are pretty substantial, and I
have yet to look through book 4, but it too appears to be quite
substantial for a method book. And then there is the Richard Pick School
books, which also has many substantial pieces. And unlike Noad, both
Pick and Pujol wrote their own stuff (although Pick has a few
transcription of Bach, Frescabaldi, etc.).

>However, I finally began taking guitar lessons just over one year ago.
>My teacher has me using the six books by Julio Sagreras.
>
>
>

And I have been using Sagreras on my own as sight reading material. Just
finished book 2 and am straating on book 3... I then go back and try to
really nail my favorites after the fact. Great stuff!

>Now, although I still love Noad's books, I think they have the
>following weaknesses:
>1. Many of the pieces are not edited very well and contain mistakes.
>2. After using Sagreras' books, I now feel that Mr. Noad should have
>included more information on the suggested dynamics and fingering for
>each piece....I mean he should have clearly indicated where "rest
>strokes" instead of "free strokes" are to be used, and more helpful
>fingerings should have been provided.
>
>

Yes, the rest stroke accent markings really do help, as do the
fingerings (and I usually don't like provided fingerings, but for
Sagreras, they really are needed, especially since he is so fond of use
of portamento).

>I would really love to see someone do a good edit of these two books
>because of the tremendous number of substantial repertoire pieces
>included.
>
>
>

some day I'll have to get the Noad method books, just for grins... I do
love his Renaissance/Baroque/Classical/Romantic guitar series... I read
through them all the time.

gms--

[Carlos Barrientos]

I haven't looked at them in some time.... but I recall an absence of
scale work, just a thought , I could be wrong, if so please refresh my
memory, I have not set up my library in an easily accessible fashion
in quite some time....

Carlos B

Carlos Barrientos
"mailto:ca...@sprintmail.com"
Phone: (229)-438-1087
A childlike man is not a man whose development has been arrested; on
the contrary, he is a man who has given himself a chance of
continuing to develop long after most adults have muffled themselves
in the cocoon of middle aged habit and convention. -- Aldous Huxley

[john....@alumni.pitt.edu]

> After I, john....@alumni.pitt.edu, wrote:

> >I've always loved these two Frederick Noad Books, and I studied out of
> >them "on my own" for some years. The thing I love about these two
> >books is that it is the only method I know of that has so many
> >"substantial" pieces included in the books.

Mr. Jeff, I mean Greg Silverman had to nerve to add:

> What about Pujol... his studies in book 3 are pretty substantial, and I
> have yet to look through book 4, but it too appears to be quite
> substantial for a method book. And then there is the Richard Pick School
> books, which also has many substantial pieces. And unlike Noad, both
> Pick and Pujol wrote their own stuff (although Pick has a few
> transcription of Bach, Frescabaldi, etc.).

Yes, these books include substantial pieces as do Sagreras' books. But
the Noad Books include MORE FAMOUS REALLY SUBSTANTIAL REPERTOIRE
PIECES than any other method books I have ever seen...pieces by
Carulli, de Visee (many of them), Purcell, Handel, Telemann, Bach,
Dowland, Robinson, Milan, Sanz, Sor, Carcassi, Tarrega, Llobet, and
many pieces by that most extraordinary composer, "Anon.," and that's
just in Book 1. So don't talk to me about Pick, Pujol, etc., .....,
this is minor league stuff compared to the pieces Noad has in his
books. A student doesn't have to go out and buy a lot of other
books.....very substantial repertoire pieces are already there.
Kapish?

I wrote about Sagreras:

> >However, I finally began taking guitar lessons just over one year ago.
> >My teacher has me using the six books by Julio Sagreras.

Grego added:

> And I have been using Sagreras on my own as sight reading material. Just
> finished book 2 and am straating on book 3... I then go back and try to
> really nail my favorites after the fact. Great stuff!

I'm just finishing up Book 2 myself, but I anticipate that my teacher
will make me go back to the beginning of Book 2 (this is what I've
heard) and do it again until I really get it right before I can go on
the Book 3.

Regards,
John E. Golden

[Greg M. Silverman]

john....@alumni.pitt.edu wrote:

> > After I, john....@alumni.pitt.edu, wrote:
>
> > >I've always loved these two Frederick Noad Books, and I studied out of
> > >them "on my own" for some years. The thing I love about these two
> > >books is that it is the only method I know of that has so many
> > >"substantial" pieces included in the books.
>
> Mr. Jeff, I mean Greg Silverman had to nerve to add:
>
> > What about Pujol... his studies in book 3 are pretty substantial, and I
> > have yet to look through book 4, but it too appears to be quite
> > substantial for a method book. And then there is the Richard Pick School
> > books, which also has many substantial pieces. And unlike Noad, both
> > Pick and Pujol wrote their own stuff (although Pick has a few
> > transcription of Bach, Frescabaldi, etc.).
>
> Yes, these books include substantial pieces as do Sagreras' books. But
> the Noad Books include MORE FAMOUS REALLY SUBSTANTIAL REPERTOIRE
> PIECES than any other method books I have ever seen...pieces by
> Carulli, de Visee (many of them), Purcell, Handel, Telemann, Bach,
> Dowland, Robinson, Milan, Sanz, Sor, Carcassi, Tarrega, Llobet, and
> many pieces by that most extraordinary composer, "Anon.," and that's
> just in Book 1. So don't talk to me about Pick, Pujol, etc., .....,
> this is minor league stuff compared to the pieces Noad has in his
> books. A student doesn't have to go out and buy a lot of other
> books.....very substantial repertoire pieces are already there.
> Kapish?

Ach, but THEY didn't write the pieces! Dig?

And Pick is a top tier composer, with both Sagreras and Pujol being just a
microstep below. So there it is!

Still you make a good case for the Noad books. I'm wondering though if these
are the same pieces in his other series (the Ranaissance... Romantic guitar
ones, that is)

>
>
> I wrote about Sagreras:
>
> > >However, I finally began taking guitar lessons just over one year ago.
> > >My teacher has me using the six books by Julio Sagreras.
>
> Grego added:
>
> > And I have been using Sagreras on my own as sight reading material. Just
> > finished book 2 and am straating on book 3... I then go back and try to
> > really nail my favorites after the fact. Great stuff!
>
> I'm just finishing up Book 2 myself, but I anticipate that my teacher
> will make me go back to the beginning of Book 2 (this is what I've
> heard) and do it again until I really get it right before I can go on
> the Book 3.
>

that makes sense... book 2, while for the most part ws rather easy to read
through had a TON of modo-substantial technique, some of which I may have
glossed oover. That's basically why I will from time to time go back and
really work on specific exerces, like no. 39, the Zamba, or especially the
last exercise in drop D. I did nstart book 3 last night though, played no. 1
and 3, will go back and play no. 2 (I was too tired to deal with the altered
tuning).

Julio rocks! No doubt about it, eh?

Nobody will ever accuse Shearer of being strong in repertoire, eh? Even
Parkening's book are much better in this respect.

gms--

[GIMME]

True, although the Parkening Book (and his class) recommends
that you focus on the Segovia books for scales and slurs.

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[John E. Golden]

"Greg M. Silverman" <g...@umn.edu> wrote:

> Still you make a good case for the Noad books. I'm wondering though if
> these are the same pieces in his other series (the Ranaissance...
> Romantic guitar ones, that is)

In a word, NO.

Regards,
John E. Golden

[roydn...@gmail.com]

I started on it a year ago. Now I can read music and play much better than before. At first, I thought he was deliberately making it more difficult that it needed to be, with insistence on alternating fingers and such. Now, I'm glad he insisted.

[Murdick]

I feel like it's 1990 again here at RMCG. Has the guitar world made no progress? The Parkening and Noad books are NOT guitar methods. They are useful as anthologies of beginnig classical guitar pieces, but that's all.

[Murdick]

John, if your teacher is making you go through the Sagreras method as though it were a method, you should get rid of your teacher. There are a bunch of great begining pieces in book 1, quite a few good pieces in book 2 and almost nothig of values in the rest of the books. Again, Sagreras is vastly out of date as a guitar method - your teacher should know this.

[JPD]

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:49:32 PM UTC-7, Murdick wrote:

> I feel like it's 1990 again here at RMCG. Has the guitar world made no progress?

You mean.... we should be on a journey?





Just messin' with ya, Kent, speaking of the 90s.. :-)

[Teranews]

"Murdick" <lute...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I've only completed the first three Sagreras books, but I thought they were
great for learning the fingerboard relatively painlessly. As for Noad's
"Solo Guitar Playing," I lately discovered that the pieces included are
riddled with mistakes.

Regards,
John E. Golden

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:03:48 -0700 (PDT)
roydn...@gmail.com wrote:

The Carcassi method is the most complete in the beginning because
solo playing starts with indicated necessary dynamics from the
outset. Dynamics in the beginning are much more important than
you, or the writers of modern method books, imagine.

All method books so far contain a large number of missing pages.
There is a page turn which seems to assume weeks, months, or years
of accomplishment in the time it takes to turn that page.
I have spent decades in writing those missing pages. On my
site. Check it out. Regards, Rale

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levels. Site: http://www.openguitar.com (()) eMail:
d.raleig...@gmail.com Contact:
http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html

[Slogoin]

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:49:32 PM UTC-7, Murdick wrote:
>

> I feel like it's 1990 again here at RMCG.

Well, 60 minutes just caught up to algorithmic trading and Wally might be learning something if he watched. He has said nada since his econ teacher split the prize with someone who Wally did not study and did not understand. OK, that was not the 90s but...

> On Apr 13, 9:20 pm, Slogoin <la...@deack.net> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 6:24 pm, Dick Cheney <andrewrobinson...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > moron. Never mind- this is too complicated for you
>
> Algorithmic trading is too complicated for you

> which has nothing to do with anything (as if you're an old hand at it)
> other than you can google


You could learn that being anti something is not the same as being for something, but at your age that's a tough one to learn. Noad is great if you know how to teach, and Wally, well...

[wollybyrde]

I didn't bring it up because it has nothing to do with anything. Aren't you the guy that thought that the Dow was headed to 4000? You should stick to stuff you know about, what ever that might be...because it isn't financial markets

[Slogoin]

On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:02:36 AM UTC-7, wollybyrde wrote:
>
> I didn't bring it up because it has nothing to do with anything.

[sigh] Still can't learn anything because of your massive ego. All you can do is to attack. And yes, algorithms are running everything in a loop with our behavior ,and you know nothing about how it works. It's not just the trading that is about computers and human behavior, the whole world is going digital... and you don't get it.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

yes Larry, except for the last 40 years, I've never heard of it. I'd sooner have a discussion about it with my 12 year old, though.
Name one socially good thing about program trading.
If you really had a clue what you were going on about, you might find the irony of Nobel winners with the topic you just pulled out of your ass

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

to be more interesting

[Slogoin]

On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:06:09 AM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> If you really had a clue what you were going on about,

Oh, it's all in the RMCG archive for anybody to read no matter how you "spin" your world.

You really should get up to speed if you want to talk to others online and not continue to make a fool of yourself over and over. Look at the winners, please, look carefully, as in study what the other guys say and not just your teacher. You can still learn but from what I've seen you won't get why Greenspan admitted that his 40 year old theory was flawed, and now he's discovered new kinds of Econ theory... you can too if you have the guts that Greenspan has.

[wollybyrde]

Larry, you have no idea what you're talking about (as usual). Getting a lecture from you on markets is ridiculous. Like I said, this is something I covered in a basic class in 1976. Just because you saw it on 60 minutes, doesn't make it a revelation

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:44:08 PM UTC-5, Slogoin wrote:

Oh, btw, Greenspan never admitted his economic model was wrong. Just his trust in behavior of of CEOs. again you don't know what you're talking about He's written several articles and at least one book on the subject subsequent to his departure from the Fed.

[Murdick]

DavidA says, "The Carcassi method is the most complete in the beginning because

solo playing starts with indicated necessary dynamics from the
outset. Dynamics in the beginning are much more important than
you, or the writers of modern method books, imagine."

David, you will not find a successful guitar teacher in the world who would use Carcassi as a begining method. Anyone who would,I can assure you, knows absoulutey nothing about guitar technique. Solo playing begins with a solid right and left had technique which in 99 cases out of 100 can only be learned while playing pieces that are at an advantageous level of difficulty-which the Carcassi method does not provide for a beginner. In my view, a beginning student should not even use the right to play music for he first 1-2 months of study. It's too easy to screw it up and 90+% do screw it up.

And,yes,dynamics are important, but you can alway write them in. Eventually, as the student progresses, he will want to x out the composer's dynamics and put in his own.

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 4:03:18 AM UTC-7, wollybyrde wrote:
>
> Larry, you have no idea what you're talking about (as usual).

LOL! Dude, you are so funny. Still playing games???? How's that spinning world going? I bet you rewrote that chapter in your head too. It's got to be tough living in your world where it stops spinning then reverses until it gets to the same speed but going the other way. That was BRILLIANT! Almost as good as your econ lectures but not quite the same swagger. You are THE MAN!

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:09:52 AM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Oh, btw, Greenspan never admitted his economic model was wrong. Just his trust in behavior of of CEOs.

LOL! Oh man, I gotta get this one into the archive. That's so funny considering what you told RNJ when he tried to explain the math to you. You need to look at what the other guys who won are saying but I'm still not seeing any sign that you are even close to getting it. Put that together with what it means to run EVERYTHING by algorithms and you might start to get an idea of how much you don't understand about the economics of this globe... about as much as you understand how to flip the rotation of the earth... LOL!

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

1) I didn't study with Fama. I've never said I've studied with Fama. I went to school at Wisconsin, Not Chicago. I did day I've read every thing he wrote up to 1980. I've taken two courses in CAPM at the graduate level...which is about 10% of my Finance/Econ course work. You've read nothing that he's written. The conclusions that one can draw from him are very rational advice for your average monkey..... can you even roughly articulate in less than 4 sentences what that might be?
2) I have no idea if you are referring to "algorithmic" trading or Robert Shiller (I don't think you do either). One is at least a 40 year old concept,the other is almost 400 years old.
4)If you're referring to your misunderstanding of the the new age concept of the earth ending due to an overnight flip of the magnetic field- you got that screwed up too
3) you've yet to make an intelligent comment on the subject that you for some odd reason wanted to bring up. Just the usual passive aggressive BS- and you have the nerve?
Go fuck yourself

[Steve Freides]

Murdick wrote:
> DavidA says, "The Carcassi method is the most complete in the
> beginning because
> solo playing starts with indicated necessary dynamics from the
> outset. Dynamics in the beginning are much more important than
> you, or the writers of modern method books, imagine."
>
> David, you will not find a successful guitar teacher in the world who
> would use Carcassi as a begining method.

Dogmatism is not a trait I would want in my teacher, Kent.

-S-

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:21:32 AM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Just the usual passive aggressive BS- and you have the nerve?
>
> Go fuck yourself

LOL! Dude, you are really messed up. You should go play your guitar or do something creative. You are arguing with someone you don't know online and calling them nasty names. Think about that a bit.

It's a nice day in SoCal and I'm working on the finish of a little box I created on my lathe for another dodecahera a friend asked me to make. Nice rosewood top to match the dodecaheron and white oak cylindrical bottom. I got the top to fit really nice... so satisfying. Can't wait to get the CNC up and running.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

still intelligent to say about a subject you brought up?
what a surprise
Did you notice Fama won a Nobel prize?

[Steve Freides]

Hey, you two - I searched for

Nobel Prize for classical guitar

but couldn't find anything. What am I missing?

-S-

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:41:37 AM UTC-7, Steve Freides wrote:
>
> Hey, you two - I searched for
> Nobel Prize for classical guitar
> but couldn't find anything. What am I missing?

LOL! Yeah, you gotta look for Geetar Hero to find the winners of this weird world of economics we've invented. Wally thinks it's all real, like he's worth what he makes and folks who play guitar are worth what they make, simple econ 101.

[Murdick]

Steve says, "Dogmatism is not a trait I would want in my teacher, Kent."

A good teacher will realize that there is more than one way to teach successfully, but just as important, he will recognize paths that lead nowhere. Having the experience to decern a successful approach from bullshit is not dogma. It is wisdom.

But you seem like the kind of guy who reveres bullshit, so you should go take some lessons from David Arnold.

[thomas]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:21:32 AM UTC-4, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 1) I didn't study with Fama. I've never said I've studied with Fama. I went to school at Wisconsin, Not Chicago. I did day I've read every thing he wrote up to 1980. I've taken two courses in CAPM at the graduate level...which is about 10% of my Finance/Econ course work. You've read nothing that he's written. The conclusions that one can draw from him are very rational advice for your average monkey..... can you even roughly articulate in less than 4 sentences what that might be?
>

"Average monkey"? Hey, that's me! Let me try it in one parenthetical aside off the top of my head with no googling (tilt total market towards small-cap value) and then you can tell me where I got it wrong.

PS: If you want three more sentences, try an above-average monkey.

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:09:36 PM UTC-7, Murdick wrote:
>
> But you seem like the kind of guy who reveres bullshit

LOL! Kent, we all revere all kinds of silly ideas, like berating other teachers is a good thing...

[Murdick]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:51:40 PM UTC-5, Slogoin wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:09:36 PM UTC-7, Murdick wrote: > > But you seem like the kind of guy who reveres bullshit LOL! Kent, we all revere all kinds of silly ideas, like berating other teachers is a good thing...

Come on Larry, do believe that Carcassi is a good beginning method? It's a great anthology with some very clever compostions, and I think every first or 2nd year student should play selected pieces from this book.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

still nothing intelligent......

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

if you're young enough, just put some of your income monthly into a stock index fund and hold it. If that's too exciting for you, put some in a bond fund too, Both Fama and Schiller (not to mention Warren Buffet) would approve.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

.....and knows infinitely more about guitar than other subjects that he pontificates on

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:18:06 PM UTC-7, Murdick wrote:
>
> Come on Larry, do believe that Carcassi is a good beginning method?

Kent, every student and teacher is different and the combination of personality meshes are even greater. Any "method" has to be flexible. If the teacher is good they can change their approach accordingly.

I use Noad and continue to find wonderful things I can do with it as a "method". I can sing their part and play mine and do it counting, singing SolFa and made up words (kids like that best). I danced today as a 10 year old student played two of the pieces from the book. It was so nice to hear my student play so well.

I thought of Fred when I saw this thread and thought I'd get Wally and The Snipers to drum up some posts. I would love to take you to the islands to teach for a bit. They just had a jazz festival and you could have had fun teaching, and Jammin' mon. Take it down a notch, Steve is a good guy.

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:12:14 PM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> .....and knows infinitely more about guitar than other subjects that he pontificates on

Dude, you are getting confused. Steve is a good guy but he's not the Pope.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

sorry, the quote sounds like something you'd say...which is the bigger insult?

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

Yes Larry lives in the second largest city in the US, and he has to travel 5000 miles to an island with no communication network to find a student

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:14:59 PM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yes Larry lives in the second largest city in the US,
> and he has to travel 5000 miles to an island with
> no communication network to find a student

It's funky when you try to be funny but just come off nasty. I have been very lucky to have had great teachers and students because I was born in the LA area. My island students have not had that kind of luck but they live in the paradise sold to ignorant tourists as a playground of indulgence.

I have learned so much from that incredible island and the people who live there. The real world is nothing like what is sold on TV to the suburban dream workers. Disneyizing and sanitizing is not human progress nor is arguing with other people you don't know and don't really care about. It's just an entertainment for you to see how clever you can be. It won't help you or anybody else any more than Kent playing hard ass helps.

You have done good works (like Kent and Steve) and sharing that is what helps. We can all learn from each other if we want to. You are smart enough to see how messed up a "virtual" economy is. This "system" is not based on any kind of science and kids today would be stupid to invest their lives in a game that distorts the value of human work, our real contributions to this world, our time on this globe.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

Larry,face it, you're a hobo.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:47:18 AM UTC-5, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
> Larry,face it, you're a hobo.

But it's OK. Woodie Guthrie was a hobo too. He built his reputation by traveling the country and talking about defending the downtrodden and fighting fascism in between playing his music. Maybe you can do the same- Travel the country by rail, in between your music you can do your schtick of being a condescending, preachy, annoying pseudo know it all.

[Andrew Schulman]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:18:06 PM UTC-4, Murdick wrote:
> Come on Larry, do believe that Carcassi is a good beginning method? It's a great anthology with some very clever compostions, and I think every first or 2nd year student should play selected pieces from this book.

Ah, old memories, I started classical guitar lessons in 1962 with the Carcassi Method. I remember liking it. Would something else have been better? Easy to find out. I just booked a trip on the Time Machine on my iMac and I'm going back to 1962 later this afternoon and will try other methods. I'll study economics too with Mr. Fava Bean.

Andrew

[thomas]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:09:33 PM UTC-4, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> if you're young enough, just put some of your income monthly into a stock index fund and hold it. If that's too exciting for you, put some in a bond fund too, Both Fama and Schiller (not to mention Warren Buffet) would approve.>

That much this monkey understands. But what if the monkey is in his 50s, and there's a Fed-driven bubble, and current bond prices will be highly correlated with stocks when the bubble bursts? This monkey is highly agitated about the situation and may start flinging turds at random.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

You can still learn but from what I've seen you won't get why Greenspan admitted that his 40 year old theory was flawed, and now he's discovered new kinds of Guitar theory... you can too if you have the guts that Greenspan has.

Wollybyrde
Secretary to Larry "Woody" Deack

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

forget it, you're screwed
go to Vegas and put it all on red

[thomas]

On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:52:11 AM UTC-4, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> forget it, you're screwed
> go to Vegas and put it all on red

Too late. I already blew my retirement savings on a bomb shelter, MREs, and ammo.

[Curmudgeon]

My savings are all in Bitcoins. I don't know exactly what that is, but it sounds at least as good as the deal my Nigerian friend, who wants to put a pile of money in my bank account, is offering.

[dsi1]

On Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:10:17 AM UTC-10, Ben Floyd wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has used either of Noad's books, title "Solo
> Guitar Playing", parts 1 and 2. Ive seen a few methods similar to this
> one, but Noad's approach seems ultra progressive, as in its very
> complete in its content. Also, its got a few pieces i love and cant
> wait to play.
>
> so, anyone?
>
>
> Ben Floyd
> ev...@pondie.com

For a generation (mine) of kids, he was their first classical guitar teacher. Mr. Noad and people like Julia Child opened doors and new worlds for a lot of people. God bless that guy!

[Curmudgeon]

On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:56:19 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:10:17 AM UTC-10, Ben Floyd wrote:
>
> > Just wondering if anyone has used either of Noad's books, title "Solo
>
> > Guitar Playing", parts 1 and 2. Ive seen a few methods similar to this
>
> > one, but Noad's approach seems ultra progressive, as in its very
>
> > complete in its content. Also, its got a few pieces i love and cant
>
> > wait to play.
>
> >
>
> > so, anyone?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Ben Floyd
>

> > even@

>
>
>
> For a generation (mine) of kids, he was their first classical guitar teacher. Mr. Noad and people like Julia Child opened doors and new worlds for a lot of people. God bless that guy!

Julia did extol the virtues of lots of butter in everything. Makes for smooth playing for sure.

[dsi1]

On 4/2/2014 11:58 AM, Curmudgeon wrote:

> Julia did extol the virtues of lots of butter in everything. Makes for smooth playing for sure.
>

Nobody's perfect. I was raised on the notion that butter was evil and
rarely ate the stuff. These days, people are going out of their way to
stuff their pie holes with butter and oil. Heck, even lard is in. OTOH,
if humans can be genetically modified to exude butterfat from their
fingers we wouldn't be hearing stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9dqIuRLwoQ

[Slogoin]

On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:56:19 PM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
>
> For a generation (mine) of kids, he was their first classical guitar teacher.

He was more than a guitar teacher to many of us. He started the CG program at UCI and was a central figure in the SoCal CG world collaborating with many people on all kinds of things. He certainly learned a lot about many different media and loved tech toys. He was so kind to me personally that I know I am bias but that is not why I like using his method. I am quite sure that Fred would have been amused to see Kent's post and gratified to see yours. He gave me a signed copy of his last published work just before he died as thanks for the small favor I was able to do for him. I am forever in debt to him and others like him. The CG world has some buggers with bees up their butts but Fred was not one of them and his work has value to both CG teachers and students if they know how to use them.

[Slogoin]

On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:40:35 AM UTC-7, Andrew Schulman wrote:

> I'll study economics too with Mr. Fava Bean.

Watch out for his invisible hand...

[andrewro...@gmail.com]

The man obviously had the patience and charity of Mother Theresa, even if his method book has now grown a tad moldy. For a lot of us, he was only game in town

[dsi1]

He was the Fred Rodgers of the guitar.

[dsi1]

He was the only game in town for a lot of kids. So was Laura Weber.

[Steven Bornfeld]

On 4/2/2014 4:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> For a generation (mine) of kids, he was their first classical guitar teacher. Mr. Noad and people like

Julia Child opened doors and new worlds for a lot of people. God bless
that guy!
>

Don't know if you watch the very violent NBC program "The Blacklist",
starring the wonderfully unctuous scene-munching James Spader, who just
this week volunteered just how much he missed that master of the "puffy
little clouds", Bob Ross.
Fred, Julia, Bob--they really don't make them like that anymore, do they?

Steve
(I guess there's still Lidia Bastianich!)

[dsi1]

I have not seen that show but you can be pretty sure of seeing some
pretty messed up stuff when Mr. Spader is involved. He's the king of
creepy or at least, a prince.

Bob Ross showed us all how easy it was to paint landscapes but I
remained unconvinced. I guess it allowed us to vicariously paint without
picking up a single brush. That would be my most favorite way of all!

[Steven Bornfeld]

On 4/2/2014 5:58 PM, Curmudgeon wrote:
>>
>> For a generation (mine) of kids, he was their first classical guitar teacher. Mr. Noad and people

like Julia Child opened doors and new worlds for a lot of people. God
bless that guy!
>
> Julia did extol the virtues of lots of butter in everything. Makes for smooth playing for sure.
>

Save the liver!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7tnc9_the-french-chef_fun

[JPD]

With Solo Guitar Playing he helped me discover a beautiful way of relating to the guitar. I am deeply grateful.

[Slogoin]

On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 8:52:11 AM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> forget it, you're screwed
> go to Vegas and put it all on red

Now you are catching on. Don't watch TV and you can continue to pretend algorithmic trading has nothing to do with the economy being a crap shoot. God knows you don't want to admit you can learn something in "your" field with all you fancy credentials, especially from some weird guitar teacher who you call all kinds of names.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

I love it when you go on about stuff you're clueless about- which includes almost every post you make. Thomas's problem is simple math...remember- you claim to be an expert at it?

[Slogoin]

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:42:44 PM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I love it when you go on about stuff you're clueless about-
> which includes almost every post you make.
> Thomas's problem is simple math...remember-
> you claim to be an expert at it?

LOL! You are so funny. What is an "expert" in math and who has made that claim?

It's not just about math or computer models but real world human behavior, that's what you don't get, how clever we are at subverting any technological tool we create. It does not take an "expert" to see flaws in the academic territory others claim and defend with appeals to authority and personal attacks.

I really did not think you would continue to spin your image of me after you proved that you really do not understand basic science. You did not understand a simple thing like the rotation of the earth and came up with a fantasy that was even more improbable. Really, econ is a lot harder to get your head around because it's a LOT of different things, that's why the guy who shared the prize with your guy credits his wife who is a psychologist, like mine.

[andrewro...@gmail.com]

actually it is about simple math... and there are ton of statistics to back it up, but compound interest is aparently too hard for you.
Oh, btw the earth's magnetic poles have flipped. There's simple proof of that, too. You stop watching TV

[andrewro...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:28:39 PM UTC-5, Slogoin wrote:

I thought you said your wife was a teacher... now she's a shrink? are you her lab rat?

[andrewro...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:28:39 PM UTC-5, Slogoin wrote:

this is coming form the guy that thinks that if you flip the globe you've reversed the eath't polatity?
LOL

[Slogoin]

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:56:42 PM UTC-7, andrewro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> this is coming form the guy that thinks that if you flip the globe you've reversed the eath't polatity?

It's all in the archive, you can twist a turn all you want but you cannot get rid of the record. You did not understand what was going on and saw it as a chance to get me in your stupid games but then...

Now do you really want to go over all this again? It's so silly and sad. It sure is not a good way to show your understanding of what Fred taught.

[Slogoin]

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:47:33 PM UTC-7, andrewro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I thought you said your wife was a teacher... now she's a shrink? are you her lab rat?

With all your screen names you might not even be you...

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

yes, that's what so funny. It's in the archive.
only Larry can look at this graph and say it's impossible to earn a positive return/
http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/historical/spx1960.html

Or proclaim his astuteness at science and say this is a fantasy that's improbable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

or think flipping the globe reverses polarity>
Dummy
Why don't you stand on your head and see if you can float, Dr Science? LOL

[Slogoin]

On Monday, April 7, 2014 1:37:04 AM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
> Larry can look at this graph and say it's impossible to earn a positive return/
>
> http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/historical/spx1960.html

You really don't get it. It's about the life you live not the one you plan.

> Or proclaim his astuteness at science and say this is a fantasy that's improbable:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
> or think flipping the globe reverses polarity>

I'm letting you get deeper, check the archive, you can't spin this. Nobody said this, that's called a straw man to some folks and it's one of three childish ways you "debate",

> Dummy

The constant use of personal attack continues to show how little your education was worth.

> Why don't you stand on your head and see if you can float, Dr Science? LOL

Of course you CAN float head down if you know how to balance your BC, and a friend does this quite a bit as an underwater photographer and dive master. To bring this back around to some sanity in your spin zone, he plays on one of my guitars, one I bought on the island.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

LOL
what a ridiculous fool you are.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:08:46 PM UTC-5, Slogoin wrote:

Larry, I don't have to go to the archives, just 4 comments up! Although you did talk about the earth flipping to change polarity in the archives...which is just dumb

[Slogoin]

On Monday, April 7, 2014 12:50:29 PM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Larry, I don't have to go to the archives

Probably why you can rewrite history in your head like a FOX commentator, but those archives are killer material! If you want to keep digging I'll be happy to assist. Carry on...

[Slogoin]

On Monday, April 7, 2014 12:47:24 PM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> LOL
>
> what a ridiculous fool you are.

Absolutely! So are you but I seem to be the only one of us who realizes how foolish we are being. What's the point? Do you enjoy being noise in the signal? Are people like Fred just pawns in your zero sum game? Why do you think others are out to get you?

You sink yourself all the time without anybody even shooting at you, I'm just trying to show you what you are doing to yourself. It take a fool to talk to a fool, so we are play a foolish game, except it is not zero sum because nobody wins. It's odd that you can spend so much time on something that has no resolution expect to stop playing. Maybe it's that illusion that you have all the time in the world, but we don't, none of us do, and Fred's death was another wake up call for all of us who knew him that how we treat each other matters. It's your choice how to leave this thread, is it about you, or Maestro Noad?

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

yes. if you consider a couple of hours ago history.

"You did not understand a simple thing like the rotation of the earth and came up with a fantasy that was even more improbable."

The only guy I know that calls established facts and "fantasy" and "improbable" and then goes on to lecture on subject he thinks he learned on a 20 minute TV show

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

are you sure this time Larry? 'cause I'm pretty sure you're down to that incoherent rambling thing you do when you've made a fool out of yourself

[Slogoin]

On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:19:38 PM UTC-7, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> are you sure this time Larry?

Very sure. Sadly it won't mean a thing to you why. Life is so much more valuable than arguing about things that don't matter. Why would I defend myself from your obviously personal attacks when I hold no malice towards you? You can't hurt me with your insults because I have nothing to prove, a wonderful loving support network of people and others who know me and still love me.

This is a virtual world us weirdoes created for others like us who wanted to share ideas. It was a nice things to go to any college lab and talk to others online who were well educated and interested in new technologies.

Fred loved his folly with tech toys like me and others who love both art and engineering. You can use this virtual world to argue with others online and share pictures of your pets but you can also learn things. Trying to communicate with you are others here has certainly taught me a lot. For that I thank you and I really do hope that life is what you want it to be and as full of relationships like those Fred had with so many of us, both real world and virtual. It's your choice.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

Why would you keep rambling on incoherently? If you want to learn econ 101 go to Kahn Academy. or an on line university course. If want to learn about the magnetic field changing polarity, Google it. If you just want to blather about your past nutty notions, change the subject to parenting or c major scales or one of a dozen others...you're getting boring

[Andrew Schulman]

There was an announcement on the news today from Google that the NG called RMCG is now going to be called:

"That incoherent rambling thing"

I think that's so cool.

Andrew

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

news?

[Andrew Schulman]

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:58:47 AM UTC-4, zachrob...@gmail.com wrote:
> news?

Yes, Walter Cronkite.

[wollybyrde]

I have 8 walleye filets in my freezer. You can have four of them if you take over the annoying Larry

[thomas]

I hear that Google is going to build the Larry-bot into Google Glass, so you can have a querulous, kvetching voice haranguing you while you walk around town.

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5PoW7_kdA

[Andrew Schulman]

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:44:18 PM UTC-4, wollybyrde wrote:

> I have 8 walleye filets in my freezer. You can have four of them if you take over the annoying Larry

Larry you're a punk and you don't know anything about maths. Or anything.

Wolly, please send walleye filets tomorrow, overnight shipping on dry ice.

Thanks,

Andrew

[andrewro...@gmail.com]

for that sad, sorry effort, you want a pound of my northern Ontario, wild caught walleyes?
I'll have the Gorton's fisherman call on you.

[Andrew Schulman]

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:11:09 PM UTC-4, andrewro...@gmail.com wrote:
> for that sad, sorry effort, you want a pound of my northern Ontario, wild caught walleyes?
>

Yes.

> I'll have the Gorton's fisherman call on you.

No.

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:00:37 PM UTC-7, Andrew Schulman wrote:
>
> > for that sad, sorry effort, you want a pound of my northern Ontario, wild caught walleyes?
>
> Yes.

Did he send you the fish or renege on the deal? I've been paid for lessons with fresh fish and the student were fun to work with so the least Wolly can do send the fish just for putting up with his snarky attitude.