Carulli Method in English?

[Steve Freides]

I have the Carulli Complete Method for guitar - it has text in Italian
and French.

Anyone know if a good, and complete, English language edition exists,
and could you provide a link, please?

This is the one I have:

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-completo-chitarra-completato-Benvenuto/dp/B0000CU2V0/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406313980&sr=1-3&keywords=carulli+guitar+method

Thanks.

-S-

[Charlie]

Steve,

I so would like the same thing. Carulli was / is a genius.

Charlie

[Steve Freides]

It is amazing just to pick up the book and start playing - one piece
more lovely than the next. A student and I are working on the duets
now, but I just sat down and played through the beginning of the book
for about 45 minutes a couple of days ago - he's the Mozart of the
guitar.

-S-

[Charlie]

Steve,

Yes, Carulli is definitely the Mozart of the guitar. I've recently committed to memory 3 of a set of 4 "performance" pieces. (I'm currently working on #4. I saved the easiest to last.) I've no opus # for them nor do I know if they were conceived as a set by Carulli. They may in fact be four pieces gleaned from his works by someone who rightfully found them delightful. I can't remember even where I got these.

That said, these four pieces are, I'm guessing, at an intermediate level if one doesn't count having to interpret them. In true Carulli form, there are not very many performance markings on this set. They are very Mozartean, very musical and way fun to play! I would think a student would enjoy them.

Carulli was a genius. I've pretty much scoured the net for pieces of his but can't seem to find many that are as challenging as some of his more advanced work. Everyone seems to think he wrote only beginner pieces.

Charlie

[2cts]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:51:20 -0700 (PDT), Charlie wrote:

> ... Everyone seems to think he wrote only beginner pieces.

He wrote Opus numbers 1 to Op. 366 and another lot without Opus number:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Ferdinando_Carulli

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[thomas]

Speaking of early flamenco, check this one out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMe4vKs-88

[Steve Freides]

Charlie, between me and my wife, our French and Italian are good enough
to translate these - maybe we'll take a crack at it then see if we can
get someone to publish it. And I've got a student's parent who is a
native Italian speaker who could help me, too.

-S-

[2cts]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:49:29 -0400, Steve Freides wrote:

> I have the Carulli Complete Method for guitar - it has text in Italian
> and French.
>
> Anyone know if a good, and complete, English language edition exists,
> and could you provide a link, please?

Enjoy - but rather - I don't know much wheather this is much English...

http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/2/20/IMSLP260385-PMLP422206-Carulli__Method_Complete_Op.27.pdf

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[Charlie]

Steve,

Sweet. I wish you luck on your endeavor. There's so little time and sooo much to do!

Here's a quote from Wikipedia:

"Many of the pieces now regarded as Carulli's finest were initially turned down by publishers who considered them too difficult for the average recreational guitarist. It is likely that many of his best works remained unpublished and are now lost. Nevertheless, several of Carulli's published works point at the likely
quality and sophistication of his concert music, the Six Andantes Op. 320 (dedicated to the guitarist Matteo Carcassi) being a good example."

If there's a way to get me you email address, I can send you the 4 performance pieces.

Charlie

[Steve Freides]

The address I use here is a real one - just send there and I will be
delighted.

-S-

[Steve Freides]

It's in Italian only - that's the same as what I already own, but mine
additionally has French, so need for what you posted for me, thanks.

-S-

[Charlie]

>
> The address I use here is a real one - just send there and I will be
>
> delighted.
>
>
>
> -S-

Steve,

I see no address here. Where would I look?

[Richard Jernigan]

On Monday, July 28, 2014 2:39:40 PM UTC-5, thomas wrote:

>
> Speaking of early flamenco, check this one out:
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMe4vKs-88

I read somewhere that in the 18th century, every Spanish region and town had its own fandango. The early 20th century flamencos said it was taken into flamenco only fairly recently. There was a period when flamenco fandango lost its dance meter and became song, "sin compás", i.e. "without meter." But it retained fragments of meter, especially in the guitar's falsetas between the singers' verses.

Famous singers of the early 20th century developed "fandangos personales": their own versions of fandangos sin compás. Some of these survived as part of the canon, such as granadinas, media granadina, and "fandango natural". Still in the canon are palos that retain their dance rhythm, such as fandangos de Huelva, but have standard verses and sung tunes.

The flamencos use a word, "soniquete", which I would be surprised to find in the Dictionary of the Royal Academy of the Spanish Language. It took me a while, through the process of induction, to begin to figure out what it meant. English words that occur in this connection are "expression" and "swing", though neither is an accurate translation.

The player on the Youtube clip, sadly sounds like a student version of John Williams playing South American characteristic pieces. Williams is a great player, and I have enjoyed much of his playing, but at some few unfortunate times he can sound like a midi reproduction of a score.

A southern European player in the 19th century would perhaps have been more likely to be exposed to the sound of a fandango, as I imagine it could have swung before becoming "aflamencado".

Some of Tarrega's pieces in 3/4 time are subtitled "Mazurka" and marked "Lento." I have heard players execute these with slow quarter notes. Having in my youth been captivated by Rubinstein playing Chopin mazurkas, the way I hear the Tarrega pieces is in slow one-to-the-bar triple meter. Players in Tarrega's day would have had Chopin ringing in their ears.

RNJ

[hank alrich]

In the <From> line in the message headers.

I affirm the validity of the address from which SF posts.

--
shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com
HankandShaidriMusic.Com
YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic

[Steve Freides]

hank alrich wrote:
> Charlie <gtrman%tds...@gtempaccount.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> The address I use here is a real one - just send there and I will be
>>>
>>> delighted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -S-
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>> Steve,
>>
>> I see no address here. Where would I look?
>
> In the <From> line in the message headers.
>
> I affirm the validity of the address from which SF posts.

I cross my heart and hope to die that what Hank said is true! :)

Charlie, go to www.kbnj.com and click on the Contact link at the
bottom - that comes to the same place. And you might learn something
about weight lifting while you're there ...

-S-

[dsi1]

In Google Groups, hit the menu pull-down button to the right of the
reply arrow and choose "Reply privately to the author." That would
probably be the easiest way to do it although, I've never tried to
contact anybody in this group so I can't say if it actually works. I may
be nuts but I ain't stupid. :-)

[thomas]

I agree that the performance is weak. I posted that one because it has the sheet music. (Although, with only two chords, maybe you don't really need the sheet music.)

The other two performances on youtube are better, but still not great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjykQJQGddY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO4YMdqwhV8

[dsi1]

I have one of those books somewhere. It was in English and the typesetting and font looked like it was from the 1920s. I never warmed up to it since it looked to me to be pages and pages of arpeggios.

[Steve Freides]

If you have this - the Carulli Method complete - in English, I'd love to
know about it. As far as I have been able to figure out, I didn't
think it ever existed.

-S-

[2cts]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:28:10 -0400, Steve Freides wrote:

> If you have this - the Carulli Method complete - in English, I'd love to
> know about it. As far as I have been able to figure out, I didn't
> think it ever existed.

It is not much text and it is not that interesting <g>:

Metodo Completo Per hhitarra op. 27 composed by Ferdinando Carulli / Roberto
Fabbri. For guitar. Guitar / Plugged Instruments. Method book & CD. Text
Language: English. Published by Carisch Edition (M7.ML-14624-11).

ISBN 978-88-507-0208-4. With Text Language: English.

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/metodo-completo-per-hhitarra-op-27-sheet-music/19822168

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[dsi1]

I guess it could have been in some language other than English. I'm kind of a knucklehead sometimes and perhaps I didn't notice. Anyway, if I see it and it's in English, I'll send it your way.

[2cts]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:28:10 -0400, Steve Freides wrote:

> If you have this - the Carulli Method complete - in English, I'd love to
> know about it. As far as I have been able to figure out, I didn't
> think it ever existed.

Matanya Ophee here

http://rec.music.classical.guitar.narkive.com/qwuIRjB3/complete-carulli-method

writes this:

< QUOTE >
The Carulli method started in 1810 with op. 27, of which there were 3
editions. The fourth edition has become op. 241. It is still a method
and the remarkable thing about it is that it contains several new
maxims which are a drastic departure from those expressed in op. 27.
Op, 242, as the title indicated, is an Anti-Method, in the sense that
Carulli advocates in it something which was against his own interests
as a seller of methods: i.e., get yourself a teacher and do what he
says. It is a collection of 50 pieces, in a gradual increase of
technical difficulty, plus two large scale capriccios at the end.
There aren't that many copies of it around (nearest one is in the
Cleveland OH Public Library), and I am not aware of any reprints.

The 50 pieces are very interesting, because they are built exactly
along the lines of the Carcassi 50 pieces in _his_ methode, including
the several pieces a la spagnola, with a very complex notation of
flamenco rasgueado and a few pieces for guitar tuned in E Major.

Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview Blvd. N.
Columbus, OH 43235-1226
614-846-9517
fax: 614-846-9794
http://www.orphee.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/
< END QUOTE >

View �cole de guitare, Op.241 here":
https://musopen.org/sheetmusic/14430/ferdinando-carulli/ecole-de-guitare-op241/

This one is in German:
https://archive.org/stream/imslp-de-guitare-op241-carulli-ferdinando/PMLP339588-RiBS1088#page/n7/mode/2up


Perhaps this Mel Bay Publication, 2010 is also good for some of us:
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/65_Gradually_Progressive_Pieces_and_6_St.html?id=wQBJYgEACAAJ

These 65 pieces and 6 etudes are originally found in Ferdinando Carulli's
"Complete Method for the Guitar, op. 241." This method is the last iteration
of his original guitar method (op. 27), the first modern method for guitar.
Originally published as "44 Progressive Pieces and 6 Studies," the present
edition (based on an edition published by Oliver Ditson Company, Boston) in
fact yields the following: 56 numbered studies, 2 slur studies, 1 rondo for
all positions, 4 interval studies, 2 studies in harmonics and the 6 (rather
didactic) etudes. (Not included in the present volume are numerous short
scale exercises and cadences. These can be found in more complete and
thorough treatments in numerous modern methods.) These studies clearly
demonstrate Carulli's familiarity with his Italian operatic heritage. They
are nearly all in recognizable song forms and the compositional style is
simple melody with harmonic accompaniment. Counterpoint is almost totally
absent. Yet within these limits Carulli creates very fine music indeed.
Great care was taken to make this a performing edition. All of the pieces
fit on 1 or 2 pages. The few that take 3 pages have page turns inserted in
logical places. The few fingerings presented are found in the Ditson edition
and are logical and obvious. It is hoped that these pieces will present a
delightful and useful supplement to the studies of Sor and Giuliani
published during the same period. They are truly progressive; the first 10
or so are in the keys of C, G or D (and their relative minors), all in first
position, using mostly tonic and dominant harmony and can be learned by most
students in just a few lessons. They continue to increase in complexity and
difficulty through the final 16 (studies 4156), which are some of...

[Steve Freides]

Thank you.

I'm not holding out much hope, but I did order it just now. It says
they expect it to leave their warehouse in 4 to 6 weeks. In the past -
I buy from them a lot - that's meant, "We think we can get it but we're
not really sure" and they've ended up telling me it was unavailable.

I will report back on what happens.

-S-

[Steve Freides]

Thanks!

-S-

[Richard Yates]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:49:29 -0400, "Steve Freides" <st...@kbnj.com>
wrote:

http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Carulli,_Ferdinando

[2cts]

On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:26:22 -0400, Steve Freides wrote:

> I'm not holding out much hope, but I did order it just now.

Here it is in 3 langs including english:

http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/e/e6/IMSLP199446-PMLP339588-rsl01004464966.pdf

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[Steve Freides]

This is not the same thing - the edition I have includes duets - I can't
find them in the edition at your link.

-S-

[2cts]

Does you edition have an opus number? Which one?

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[Steve Freides]

No, it does not have Opus numbers. It appears to have been three
separate books at one point because, as you page through, you come
across three Volumes. Volume III has two Parts, and the second Part of
Volume III contains 12 duets for two guitars.

-S-

[JPD]

On Friday, July 25, 2014 11:49:29 AM UTC-7, Steve Freides wrote:
> I have the Carulli Complete Method for guitar - it has text in Italian
>
> and French.
>
>
>
> Anyone know if a good, and complete, English language edition exists,
>
> and could you provide a link, please?
>
>
>
> This is the one I have:
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Complete-completo-chitarra-completato-Benvenuto/dp/B0000CU2V0/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406313980&sr=1-3&keywords=carulli+guitar+method
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -S-

I have a 1953 edition of this:

Elementary Guitar Method
English Text
Series: Schott
Publisher: Schott
Composer: Ferdinando Carulli
Arranger: Ernst Huelsen


$14.95 (US)
Inventory #HL 49010915
UPC: 073999862553
Publisher Code: GA50-01
40 pages

It has the duets and probably most of what you want from the method. Looks like it's currently available here and there.

http://www.halleonard.com/product/viewproduct.do?itemid=49010915

[JPD]

Oops, I take that back. Just looked at it, it's much less extensive than the full Op. 241. Sorry.

[stanleyy]

I contributed that a bit to Carulli's Wikipedia page! The original article was pretty poor and I fixed/added a few things but it needs a lot more work.

As for an English translation, I've been looking for someone to help me with an English translation and and modern edition of several important French guitar methods but, even though I have some grant funding available, I've been unable so far to find anyone to do the basic translation at an affordable rate. Any offers?

[stanleyy]

Hi Steve,
There are many distinct methods by Carulli, at least 13...
sy

[Slogoin]

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:24:59 AM UTC-7, stanleyy wrote:
>
> As for an English translation, I've been looking for someone to help me with an English translation and and modern edition of several important French guitar methods but, even though I have some grant funding available, I've been unable so far to find anyone to do the basic translation at an affordable rate. Any offers?

Carlos Barrientos may do it if "affordable" is not slave labor. :-)

[zachrob...@gmail.com]

Why not the French department at your school? I have to think my kid would just love to do an English- Spanish translation for a summer job

[Steve Freides]

13 - yikes!

I sent you email regarding translating.

-S-

[jef...@comcast.net]

On Monday, July 28, 2014 at 3:54:50 PM UTC-5, Steve Freides wrote:
> Charlie wrote:
> > Steve,
> >
> > I so would like the same thing. Carulli was / is a genius.
> >
> > Charlie
>
> Charlie, between me and my wife, our French and Italian are good enough
> to translate these - maybe we'll take a crack at it then see if we can
> get someone to publish it. And I've got a student's parent who is a
> native Italian speaker who could help me, too.
>
> -S-

[fm42jgtr]

I just found a pdf on my computer with the Carulli method in German, French and English. If you are still interested I could forward you this.
Frank