OPINIONS ON ORIBE AND RUCK
Phil
This is my first day at this group and first time using news at all,
so I'm bound to mess things up... please forgive me or tell me what I'm
doing wrong!
I'm looking to purchase a truly exceptional classical guitar and have
been looking at the guitars of Robet Ruck and his reputation and
building style / philosophy intrigue me. I've just received an '81 Ruck
on a trial basis and so far I love it but wanted to get any opinions on
quality/reputation and (potential) future value. I've also just
recently played on a 1972 Oribe which I found outstanding and very
similar in sweetness of tone to some older Rodriguez guitars I've tried
and can't afford! Unfortunateley the Oribe is not for sale and I've had
a few shall I say difficult conversations with Oribe himself.
I'm just getting back into playing after a long hiatus and wish to find
a very playable and exceptional instrument which will get me back into
the swing of things. I used to have an '82 Ramirez 1a which I enjoyed
the sound of but found very difficult to play.
Anyone out there with some opinions on Rucks or Oribe's? Any others you
might suggest?
Thanks so much to a truly interesting group of posters out there!
-Phil
--
Phil
Evan Pyle
personal with. I've had a chance to hear him play it compared with a
(similarly-priced) Sahlin, my older Byers, a mid-60's Ramirez...and does the
'67 Gerundino flamenco count?.
Rucks should enjoy good resale since Robert has quit taking orders and they
are in high demand.
That said, I recently visited Greg Byers and played a just-completed
instrument...and I am smitten. I think it compares very well to the Ruck,
but different quality to the sound. But it is much easier to play, perhaps
the easiest I've ever played. And it was so pretty to behold!
Sigh.
I'll let those experienced with Oribe chime in. But if you can't get along
with your builder, why bother?
"Phil" <phs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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IS
Go with the Ruck.
They are world class instruments. All the ones I've played are really good.
I have also played the Ruck copy that Hill makes and I don't think it's even
close. The Ruck is far superior. Including before he started experimenting
with the "vents" (don't know if that's the correct terminology).
What do you mean "shall I say difficult conversations."
Just curious.
Thanks.
IS.
"Phil" <phs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Greg M. Silverman
>
> My opinion:
> Go with the Ruck.
> They are world class instruments. All the ones I've played are really good.
> I have also played the Ruck copy that Hill makes and I don't think it's even
> close. The Ruck is far superior. Including before he started experimenting
> with the "vents" (don't know if that's the correct terminology).
>
But do you own a Ruck? If not why, and what do you play?
As you said:
> Just curious.
>
Greg (soon to be owner of one of Ruck protege's creations)--
Columbiaguitar
be a much better player to make it respond so depending on what i am playing I
almost go back on forth.
Childbloom
>be a much better player to make it respond
Both luthiers have well deserved reputations. I know Rucks better. His early
guitars were not terribly outstanding, but he quickly improved within 5 years
of his beginnings. His consistancy has rather amazing over 35 years and I don't
think I've ever heard anyone who has lost money buying one and reselling it
(except if they got stuck paying too much for an early one). He's got it down
by now and IMO his instruments are far too underpriced. The Rucks I have played
generally require a muscular technique that makes demands on the player. I am
not quite sure why that is, but I agree with the writer of the introductory
comment who has described it in a nutshell.
Kevin
Richard Spross
Phil,
I once owned an Oribe Calidade Suprema, I think it was the same year as
the one you tried, made with beautiful Brazilian Rosewood and a Redwood
Top. It had a long scale length, However the action was very comfortable.
It had good power and projection. I've tried an early Ruck years ago and
my assessment would echo Kevin Taylor's. It seemed to be modeled after a
Fleta body type and was difficult to play. But builders evolve, improve
and alter their concepts as they gain experience. I suppose some actually
do simply strive for a high excellent standard of consistency, and others
are at times trying to improve on the previous artistic creation. We could
say Ramirez is an example of the Former and Fleta, or M.Rodriguez examples
of the latter. Every one has at their fingertips many other examples.
I keep harping on my old colleague Randy Angella's instruments. Whose
price is extraordinarily affordable for what he produces. Michael Lorimer,
Bill Feasley and many others have bought instruments made by this maker.
He sells through
the company owned by Armin Kelly. If you have a chance it is worth trying
out. I think the last one on Kelly's website I saw, was selling for
$4500. Wish someone out there other than me would get curious and have a
listen at least and give us a report. BTW this is an unsolicited
endorsement.
Regards,
Richard Spross
Phil
<rcsp...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Hi everyone!
A major round of thanks to all those that have posted! As I mentioned I
feel quite lucky to have found this group and I must express my
gratitude to those who have posted replies to my e-mail: I've gone from
no opinions to a host of very informative ones. Here's some more info
on the Ruck: it's a 1981 with a Spruce top and Brazilian sides and
back. It is a 655 scale and is going for $7500.00 The sound is out of
this world: sweet w/incredible range, power, depth, and balance. Ruck's
workmanship makes my '82 Ramirez 1a look like a factory made guitar.
While it's easier to play than my Ramirez was, it is still not quite as
easy as some I've tried and I wonder if I've bitten off more than I can
chew. It's been about 12 years since I've played seriously (I was lucky
enough to live where I could study with the Romeros) and I'm hell-bent
on taking on the guitar with full force once again. This is just a
heck of a lot of money for me and I would value everyone's opinion as
it's been a longtime since I've been in the market for a guitar (I
think I spent $2000 on the Ramirez back in the day). My old mentors
here would say I'm crazy for not buying Spanish but there seems to be a
tremendous Renaissance of American Luthiers that I feel I want to find
something truly unique and special. So far, apart from the slightly
larger 655 scale I think I may have found a winner. I have a feeling it
will be hard to pry the Ruck out of my hands!
As to the question about Oribe I think the best way I can explain it is
that everyone has a different conversational style and style of
interaction. Every once in a while you get along marvelously with
someone and sometimes you don't. I think I probably underestimated how
many people probably call on him wanting to try his instruments with no
intention or means to purchase them. From what I have heard and the '72
Oribe I have played he is an incredible craftsman and I would certainly
feel lucky to own one should I ever do so.
Anyway I must apologize for the length of this post. Bottom line: I've
got about $7500 - $10k to spend on a guitar. I certainly wouldn't mind
spending less (and I'm sure my fiancee wouldn't mind my doing so,
either) and cannot seriously justify spending more. Given my budget and
situation, what do you folks out there think?
Warmest regards to all, and many thanks,
Phil
No1z fool
alot of exceptional makers out there.
Federico
Phil
Thanks so much for the reply. I tried to find Greg Byers on the net as
I'd not previously heard of him and only found references. Does he have
a website or store that reprresents him?
Thanks!
Phil
In article <adQf9.9541$TX5.3...@news1.east.cox.net>, Evan Pyle
Phil
Thanks so much for your reply! I'm quite interested in your suggestion
of Randy Angela's guitars but haven't been able to find a website for
him. Might you have a link handy? Do you still have the Oribe? What
are you playing now?
Best regards,
Phil
In article <3D802E6A...@pacbell.net>, Richard Spross
<rcsp...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Richard Spross
Phil,
Here is the link.. http://www.guitars-int.com/
I tried to find a picture, but couldn't. I play on one i built.
Hope you are able to check it out.
Richard Spross
Phil
Thanks for the info! I have another question regarding playability. Is
the playability of the guitar dictated in great part by the 640-665mm
length or are there other factors to consider. Oddly enough, I've not
really heard much about this until quite recently and must profess my
ignorance on the subject. I wish I had the skills to build my own
guitar!
Regards,
Phil
In article <3D80DE22...@pacbell.net>, Richard Spross
Sean Winkler
My advice would be to take your time. With your budget, you have a lot of
options. In fact, you may have too many options. I would suggest that
you buy something more modest for the time being to use while you
rediscover the classical guitar. As you can tell from the variety of
replies you have received so far, there are scores of talented luthiers
building guitars today, each with his/her own design philosophy.
When I decided to buy a "concert" quality guitar, I spent a couple years
playing every guitar I could get my hands on. It took a long time for me
to figure out what it was that I was looking for in a guitar. The more
guitars I played, the more I was able to hear the differences from one to
another. I gradually learned a lot about how the instrument is built,
about how different luthiers choose a particular aesthetic, what feel I
wanted in an instrument. Playability is a nebulous thing that vaires from
one player to the next. What I find to be perfect for my hands will
certainly not be right for another.
If you are just getting back into the guitar after a long time away, I
would suggest that you may not yet know what sound/feel you are looking
for. This is one reason I advocate waiting. Why spend a large sum of
money on a guitar that may or may not grow with you? There are many fine
quality student instruments for under $2000 that will get you started on
your journey and help you rediscover your technique and musical ear.
Just one man's opinion.
Sean Winkler
Richard Spross
Phil,
My advice would be to take your time.
Phil,Sean Winkler
Sean's advice is excellent and everything he said which I snipped. I only snipped because anyone can access his reply and it didn't need to be repeated in this post.
I give the same advice to my students.
While you are looking around, go to www.worldguitarist.com and click on instruments, to get a world wide beginning resource for shopping.
In the still lower price ranges, I've had the opportunity to visit Guitar Solo in San Francisco, 2x in the past month. ( a record for me ) heh heh and I and one student selected a Cervantes classical guitar from Mexico made with a solid spruce top and Palo Escrito sides and back on a design by Miguel Rodriguez. It is a wonderfully musical instrument and he got out the door with a fine hard shell case, strings a little sheet music plus tax, for only $1000 dollars. It is so musical it sounded better than most of the other instruments in the shop bar none. On my second visit, the shop was ill heated and damp and every guitar had a warble in the treble strings and so I personally could not hear the differences. I said something, but since I was not buying that day I guess heating up the place was unwarranted. Got me? Difficult to asses things, but anyway they had a more up scale Cervantes for $1900, based on a Hauser design and the workmanship was stunning. It was even across the range with a crisp bass. Beautiful wood.
Playability has a lot to do with your personal size. That is how long your trunk is, how broad your shoulders, how long your forearms and upper arms are , the comparative lengths of your calves and thighs, the height of the chair, the height of the footstool, the width of the guitar, the size of the lower bouts, relative height of strings, angle of neck, length of neck, width of fingerboard, so you see it can be a bit complicated. If it feels unstrained then the size is probably good or at least close.
Regards,
Richard Spross
hyz
"The Rucks I have played generally require a muscular
technique that makes demands on the player."
Do you mean a muscular technique on the right
hand, or left hand, or both ? From what I have read,
the action on his guitars (at least the later ones)
are set quite low, so I'm quite suprised by the comments
that Rucks can be hard to play. Did the Rucks you try
have a low action in general ? Are they hard to play because more
power is required in the left hand, or that more force
is required for the right hand to "dig" deeper into the
strings for good tone production ? Thanks in advance.
Regards,
hyz
child...@aol.com (Childbloom) wrote in message news:<20020912003337...@mb-fh.aol.com>...
ITMX925
the top ten in the United States.
Oribe can be an absolute jerk. What I find so distasteful about him is that he
really doesn't think there are any luthiers making quality instruments in the
United States other than himself. My first 'run-in' with him was when I had
commissioned a guitar built for me back in 1971 by a California builder. This
luthier was at Vitali in Los Angeles selecting a wonderful set of Indian
rosewood. When Oribe saw the back and sides, he tried to get them away from the
builder of my instrument because they were so wonderful. The instrument I have
now, made from those backs and sides has a great 'old world' sound much like a
Bouchet.
Back to the point - Greg Byers might be the builder for you. I have known a
number of players, both concert players and casual players who have ordered
Greg's instruments. They are quite good.
Best of luck on your search.
Best regards,
'JohnDowland'
Evan Pyle
www.byersguitars.com
interesting and well-done site...
"Phil" <phs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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GuitarsWeB
Let me start by saying, Will Rogers never met Jose Oribe. That said; I know
Jose better than any on this news group, almost forty years now. What I'm
hearing is a lot of Oribe bashing, not his instruments, but him. If any of you
in the guitar world, think Oribe is going to kiss your ass, you have another
think coming. He would never kiss anyones ass! That was shown back in 1965
when the Great Sabicas came to his shop. If he likes you, he would give the
shirt off his back. He has no time for "small talk."
Someone here made the statement that Oribe thinks that no one else builds
nice guitar. That's a false remark. Just email David Schramm and ask him. I
have known many guitars that Oribe has been very impressed with. Schramm's is
just one.
As for the remarks made about Oribe wanting your Indian Rosewood, slated
for another maker. I don't buy that at ALL! Back in 1971 he had enough
Brazilian for thirty years of construction. Why would he give a damn about a
set of Indian, sold by Vitali Imports? It sounds as if you still have a grudge
with Oribe, take a number, get at the end of the line. He still make a great
guitar, like HIM or not.
As I recall, the original question (here) was about a 1972 Calidad Suprema.
Why would you compare a man's work thirty years ago with a Robert Ruck? Why not
play a new Oribe? Ruck makes a VERY fine instrument. Someone on the NG said
they had a Ruck and an Oribe. The Ruck was much better. Sell the Oribe then.
They are very hard to find used. What Oribe are you playing? A Pro-A? How old
is it? Ruck, Oribe, Byers, Gilbert, Ramirez, etc. They are fine instruments.
Most of the time you are splitting hairs. But, If ANY of you need your ass
kissed....don't look to Oribe.
Paul McGuffin
Richard Spross
> Phil wrote:
>
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > Thanks so much for your reply! I'm quite interested in your suggestion
> > of Randy Angela's guitars but haven't been able to find a website for
> > him. Might you have a link handy? Do you still have the Oribe? What
> > are you playing now?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
>
> Here is the link.. http://www.guitars-int.com/
Phil,
I checked with Randy and received the ok to post his e-mail. Anyone desiring to
have a fantastic guitar built for them for as of now a reasonable price, had
better move on it, because once this longtime maker's work really gets known
there will be. I predict many years of waiting to get one. Randy Angella's
e-mail is randa...@aol.com.
Regards,
Richard Spross
Childbloom
hand, or left hand, or both ? >>
I wrote:
"The Rucks I have played
generally require a muscular technique that makes demands on the player. I am
not quite sure why that is..."
I'm still not sure.
Kevin
Richard Spross
> I know Jose better than any on this news group, almost forty years now.
Paul,
I agree. Oribe needs to apologize to no one. His reputation as one of this
country's finest builders ought to be unquestioned.
I was truly upset when I had to sell mine away in desperation. David Tanenbaum was
concertizing on one at the time and he attempted ( bless his heart ) to try to
dissuade me from selling it, telling me I had a $5000 dollar instrument. This was
back in the late 70's. I have no doubt that today that guitar would stand up with
the best of them.
Doubtless they have improved over the nearly 25 subsequent years.
Again though, choosing an instrument is a time consuming affair and not everyone
is suited to what is handed them. It is highly personal.
Regards,
Richard Spross
GuitarsWeB
>"The Rucks I have played
>generally require a muscular technique that makes demands on the player. I am
>not quite sure why that is..."
>
>I'm still not sure.
>
>Kevin
Maybe you need to buy a Bo-Flex machine. Maybe you don't play all that much.
Maybe you have the action set like an electric bass, not a classical guitar.
I've played Rucks that were very easy and I like a very low action, say 3mm.
Paul McGuffin
Phil
Thanks for the response. I was mostly thinking of left hand technique
when I asked the question. I certainly felt the Ramirez 1a's I'd played
from the 80's were a bit more difficult in this respect. I expect this
was probably a combination of the action and the length but as I'm not
entirely certain I mostly asked as a generic question.
Regards,
Phil
In article <20020913152500...@mb-fh.aol.com>, Childbloom
Phil
You are most kind and a true gentleman! I'll e-mail him and get some
info, thanks so much. I wish there was somewhere in San Diego I could
try all of these beauties we've all been discussing!
Regards,
Phil
In article <3D8242B1...@pacbell.net>, Richard Spross
Phil
As I am the one who originated this discussion I figured I'd respond. I
have never meant to bash anyone, let alone someone who produced an
instrument I tried and found to be absolutely astounding in terms of
sound. I understand someone with his reputation and amount of orders
would be extremely busy and not have time for small talk. I just found
myself in a situation where I had tried, and loved, one of his older
instruments which was sadly not for sale. I was unable to find anywhere
else to try or hear his instruments and it is precisely here where I
ran into difficulty. Again, I meant no disrespect to either the maker
or his instruments. One can have nothing but respect for someone who
produces an instrument of the quality of the one I played.
As to your other questions I could only compare what I knew. I had
played an older Oribe (1972 and I'm not certain it had a model # but I
could well be wrong) and having never heard of him was trying to get
some other opinions. I was also in similar respect trying to get some
opinions on the guitars of Robert Ruck. I'm certain every maker in the
world makes some great guitars and some dogs so obviously one has to
try the particular instrument in question. My interests were merely
intrigued by, but certainly not limited to, these two luthiers. I have
had Guitar Salon suggest I try another Ramirez 1a as the newer ones are
according to them better in sound than those of the 80's and easier to
play.
I'm just trying to get some opinions. Obviously with every opinion
given someone may like or dislike a guitar or maker for various and
perhaps personal reasons, but I'd just like to get a feel for what
people think. I certainly don't want to create any bad feelings!
Regards,
Phil
PhilIn article <20020913115624...@mb-mm.aol.com>,
GuitarsWeB
>
>As I am the one who originated this discussion I figured I'd respond. I
>have never meant to bash anyone
I didn't take your statement as bashing.I felt there were others in the post
that had an ax to grind. And, I told them, take a number and get in line.
Didn't I? GOD knows Joe has ripped my ass a number of times. Just ask him.
Someone made the remark that they had an Oribe and a Ruck. The Ruck was much
better. They left it at that. Hell, I could say I have an Oribe and a Ruck and
the Oribe is much better. And, I've heard that before. So, I would ask. What is
better about the Ruck? His workmanship? I doubt that. His materials? I REALLY
doubt that. The sound? Well, maybe, but that's subjective. See my point?
> I have
>had Guitar Salon suggest I try another Ramirez 1a as the newer ones are
>according to them better in sound than those of the 80's and easier to
>play.
Naturally they are going to say that. They talked Ramirez into going to a short
650mm sacle. Plus, they are the US distributor for Ramirez. Follow the money
trail. And, Tim has next to NO use for Jose Oribe. As far as Tim at GSI is
concerned, Oribe is a factory, like Taylor. Go figure that one out. Joe and his
wife build the instruments at their home. Japan seems to really love the Oribe.
>but I'd just like to get a feel for what
>people think. I certainly don't want to create any bad feelings!
There are no bad feelings. Who cares anyway...feeling are feelings, they have
no power. I'll give ALLl of you my two cents! If you want a really great guitar
for the price of a 1992 Honda Accord. Go visit David Schramm's website
http://www.schrammguitars.com If money is of no object, then go buy a $10,000
Oribe or get on Ruck waiting list. Waiting list...yes..that's another subject.
Paul McGuffin
Phil
Thanks for the response! I appreciate someone who tells it like it is!
I have received a 1981 Ruck on a trial basis. Spruce top, Brazilian
sides, for $7500. Condition is pretty good with a couple of little
dings on the front- nothing severe. Sound is pretty incredible, sweet,
lots of dymanic room from soft to loud, very even, very responsive. I
feel pretty damn happy about it so far. I'm getting it looked at by a
well regarded repair guy around here and barring no problems I think
I'm pretty happy. Does anyone have an opinion on the $7500 price for
the Ruck?
Regards,
Phil
is In article <20020913184337...@mb-mo.aol.com>, GuitarsWeB
Richard Spross
> Hi Richard,
>
> You are most kind and a true gentleman! I'll e-mail him and get some
> info, thanks so much. I wish there was somewhere in San Diego I could
> try all of these beauties we've all been discussing!
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil
>
Phil,
Phil, please e-mail me privately for more info.
Thanks,
Richard Spross
Richard Spross
The price sounds like it is in the ball park for what his reputation is accorded.
Now since you are in San Diego, you just might want to try one of Stephen's
guitars, at the Blue Guitar. I believe he is the owner and has been building at
least since I last lived there in the late 60's. A kind and well regarded builder,
who sells often to the Romero family and if you do drop in, please give him my best
regards.
Here's to your success,
Richard Spross
Evan Pyle
As it turns out, Ruck's protege, who built with Robert for a few years, has
set up shop in San Diego and is building what is essentially the current
Ruck model. can't think of his name, but I believe somebody on the list is
waiting for one...
Larry Cooperman on www.newmillguitar.com praises the guitar.
"Phil" <phs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bruce Rideout
> Hey Paul,
>
> Thanks for the response! I appreciate someone who tells it like it is!
> I have received a 1981 Ruck on a trial basis. Spruce top, Brazilian
> sides, for $7500. Condition is pretty good with a couple of little
> dings on the front- nothing severe. Sound is pretty incredible, sweet,
> lots of dymanic room from soft to loud, very even, very responsive. I
> feel pretty damn happy about it so far. I'm getting it looked at by a
> well regarded repair guy around here and barring no problems I think
> I'm pretty happy. Does anyone have an opinion on the $7500 price for
> the Ruck?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil
>
>
within the range I'd expect, depending on condition, etc. But if you
are in San Diego, check out Peter Oberg. His e-mail is
sdlu...@yahoo.com, phone 760-295-4428. He is the Ruck apprentice
someone else mentioned. I spent 2 hours in his shop on Wednesday and
his guitars knocked my socks off! I am hoping to order one soon. His
prices are going up in January, but even at the increased price they
seem to be a bargain to me (about half the price of the Ruck). You can
read more about his guitars at this website:
http://www.newmillguitar.com/poberg.html.
Good luck in your search.
Bruce Rideout
Andy
impressed by a Spruce or a Cedar Ruck?
Thx.
Rgds,
Andrew
Phil
Thanks so much! I'm going to give him a call this weekend. And thanks
for the tip about his price jump!
Regards,
Phil
In article <e3fa5851.0209...@posting.google.com>, Bruce
Phil
I have not tried the Cedar model, but from what I have read it seems
that opinion seems to lean toward the Spruce Rucks in terms of sound
quality, though obviously as I think Ruck himself states the sound
quality really depends on the builder just as much as the wood. If you
are in San Diego, you are welcome to try the one I'm previewing right
now.
Regards,
Phil
In article <52ea592c.02091...@posting.google.com>, Andy
Troy Donaghue III
free "gig bag".
Also, Framus is a big name brand where as the names you mention are
rather obscure in comparison. This will have a big effect on resale.
The only other company I can think of is Cort, but I have not played
their nylon string guitars as of yet. By the way, welcome to the group
and if you need more advice email me privately.
Troy III
Joe Jewell
I've tried to contact you directly, but the email returned. Try replying to
this psot, if possible.
Joe
"Phil" <phs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Childbloom
I don't own a Ruck (nor an electric bass), but have played on maybe a dozen in
the last 30 years. I haven't touched one of his instruments in about three
years so my impression, which developed over that prior time period, may be
biased and not representative of the current crop (nor might it be
representative of the former crop, for that matter.) I don't wish to slander
the builder or his instruments. I have a high regard for them, as I have
indicated in another string. I have a similar impression of the old concert
Ramirez instruments (one of which I do own). If the impression I have regarding
the Rucks I've played was simply from the left hand action, I would say so, but
there seems to be some other intangible of the Ruck instruments I've played,
that I am not able to articulate, that demand much of the player and reward
much in return.
Kevin Taylor
P.S. Would a Bo-Flex machine help my arpegios?
Evan Pyle
Also, my teachers' '86 is a cedar. A spectacular instrument in every
regard...cutaway, long scale (665), wider fretboard...
Such a wider dynamic range than his Sahlin, for instance, not only because
it is so loud, but because the softest pppp or harmonic floats easily to the
back of the hall.
"Phil" <phs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Richard Spross
Kevin,
Since this muscular undefined difficulty as a subject keeps cropping up, I slept
on it and just now perhaps can aid in the description of what you are driving at.
My experience in his guitars is vastly limited compared to yours, but my take on
the one I did play was very similar to your present memory. However the quality
you are describing occurs from time to time with other builders. Try this out. A
big stiff guitar. One that requires a big hand or a lot of leverage to get the
table moving and sounding. I've played on several that I'd characterize as such, a
Manuel Barbero from near the end of his life, a Manuel Reyes classical, alleged to
be the guitar Mr. Parkening recorded his "In the Spanish Style" on ( perhaps
Sharon, Mr. Parkening's secretary, could research the question ) and the Ruck. All
of these worked against me and I felt like I would have to be an "Arnold the
weight lifter" ( I don't have the spelling of his last name easily at hand ) to
play them.
This is unlikely to ever happen.
Regards,
Richard Spross
Mark
him mention any of his recordings were done with anything but his Ramirez
guitars. I'll forward this on to his secretary Sharon for clarification.
Mark
"Richard Spross" <rcsp...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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John E. Golden
Hey Troy IIII,
Do you play guitar?
Regards,
John E. Golden
Richard Spross
Mark,
Thank you for your input. Sharon just forwarded your post to me and I suppose
you should know! As I said to her, I thought it to be a rather strange
assertion at the time especially since it looked like he was playing on a
Ramirez on the album cover.
But who was I to throw cold water on my friend's happy illusion? It would only
have made for strained relations since he was quite convinced by the seller
from whom he bought the instrument.
Any way it was a big stiff instrument and demanded a powerful technique. More
than I can handle!!! I believe players need to own instruments appropriate to
the scale of their anatomy for the greatest possible deployment of technical
ease. MHO.
Regards and thanks again for responding.
Richard Spross
Mark
"Richard Spross" <rcsp...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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ITMX925
I don't believe anyone of us needs our ass kissed. I was the 'someone' who made
the statement about Oribe's attitude toward other builders. I made that
statement because Oribe said it to me in a phone conversation some years ago.
Unless you know exactly what Oribe has ever said to anyone in any of his
conversations during his lifetime, I would suggest you curtail such open-ended
defense.
Further, I am not asking you to buy a thing. What I wrote occurred. I do not
need to defend it - nor anyone who was not present needs to dispute it. I
don't have a grudge against Oribe. He makes a fine instrument - just like
countless other luthiers both here and abroad. What I disliked about him was
his arrogance. It is the arrogants of the world who usually discuss with fervor
the art of ass kissing. So be it.
Also - why do you feel you know Oribe better than anyone else on this news
group? You don't even know who I am.
Am I a collector? A concert artist? A luthier? A guitar seller? I'll give you a
hint - the oldest guitar currently in my collection was built in Europe during
the 1850s. And it wasn't made out of Brazilian - a highly overrated tonewood -
but that is just my opinion.
'JohnDowland'
John W. Blossick
>From: itm...@aol.com (ITMX925)
>Date: 9/15/02 1:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id:
wrote:
>Also - why do you feel you know Oribe better than anyone else on this news
>group? You don't even know who I am.
>Am I a collector? A concert artist? A luthier? A guitar seller? I'll give you
>a
>hint - the oldest guitar currently in my collection was built in Europe
>during
>the 1850s.
Hmmm..A collector? You could easily solve the mystery be telling who you are.
>And it wasn't made out of Brazilian - a highly >overrated tonewood
>but that is just my opinion.
Maple?..That's my guess.
JohnB
Larry Stamm
> Hmmm, San Diego!
> As it turns out, Ruck's protege, who built with Robert for a few years, has
> set up shop in San Diego and is building what is essentially the current
> Ruck model.
Would this be Peter Oberg?
--
Larry Stamm
PO Box 561
McBride, BC V0J 2E0
Canada
Tel: (250) 569-3385
http://www.larrystamm.com
Greg M. Silverman
>
> "Evan Pyle" <enp...@cox.net> writes:
>
> > Hmmm, San Diego!
> > As it turns out, Ruck's protege, who built with Robert for a few years, has
> > set up shop in San Diego and is building what is essentially the current
> > Ruck model.
>
> Would this be Peter Oberg?
Yep.
Greg--
Bruce Rideout
> Phil:
> I've tried to contact you directly, but the email returned. Try replying to
> this psot, if possible.
> Joe
>
Same here Phil. I have a question for you but can't get your e-mail
address to work. Could you try replying to me off list?
Thanks!
Bruce Rideout
Richard Spross
I've played on several that I'd characterize as such; a Marcelo Barbero from near the end of his life,
Regards,
Richard Spross
Phil
Sorry I was away for the weekend. My email is philhh at yahoo.com if
you wish to contact me directly.
Regards,
Phil
In article <e3fa5851.02091...@posting.google.com>, Bruce
GuitarsWeB
MANY players do. You may be an exception.
>Unless you know exactly what Oribe has ever said to anyone in any of his
>conversations during his lifetime, I would suggest you curtail such
>open-ended
>defense.
I'm 100% sure he has. I was just showing he's made positive statements as
well..
> What I disliked about him was
>his arrogance.
What did the very first line of my original post say? Please read it again
John, and post it. Okay? ARROGANCE!! everyone please read Proverbs 16:18
>Also - why do you feel you know Oribe better than anyone else on this news
>group?
Okay...calling anyone on this NG who know Jose Oribe better than I. Let's here
from you....over.
>Am I a collector? A concert artist? A luthier? A guitar seller? I'll give you
>a
>hint - the oldest guitar currently in my collection was built in Europe
>during
>the 1850s.
Then, you must be Richard Brune. If you are Richard, then you know Oribe's work
very very well. But, I would still say, I know Joe, as a person, much better.
Paul McGuffin
Evan Pyle
"GuitarsWeB" <guita...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Phil
Ruck, let alone a Cedar one. While I've been looking for mine I've
spoken to various dealers and players who mentioned that they thought
his Spruce guitars were the better ones. The could, of course, have
been encouraging me toward what they actually had for sale!
-Phil
In article <PXOg9.31881$TX5.9...@news1.east.cox.net>, Evan Pyle
GuitarsWeB
>been encouraging me toward what they actually had for sale!
>
>-Phil
No! They would never do that.
Paul McGuffin