The fun continues: Pujol study #8 video
Tommy Grand
Here's my video of Pujol study #8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw0lL3PaTFs
Incidentally, if you find my opening banter overly stimulating, click
here for a version with music only: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9xkXAuMqPs
TG
Alain Reiher
"Tommy Grand" <howar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Very good! (Whimsically good!) Only one comment ... you could have checked
the tuning of the guitar ... the D strings sound a little out of tune.
Alain
Tommy Grand
> Very good! (Whimsically good!) Only one comment ... you could have checked
> the tuning of the guitar ... the D strings sound a little out of tune.
Yea it was broken this morning, so I had to change it.
Tommy Grand
Allen, how annoying is that out of tune string? Since it carries the
melody, perhaps I should rerecord.
Tashi
Nice lighting, have you been studying cinematic techniques? I'll
leave the musical comments to others as I feel unqualified.
Eric E
Tommy your playing is sounding good. The D string isn't too bad. I
think these pieces are increasing in their appeal too. I like this
one a lot. Is this one from the second book? You're inspiring me to
post another video soon as well.
--Eric E
Alain Reiher
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It's such a nice study, and you play it so well, that it would greatly
benefit from a re - recording ...
Alain
Augustine
Tell us about the Bob Dylan book you have on your shelf there.
Tommy Grand
> It's such a nice study, and you play it so well, that it would greatly
> benefit from a re - recording ...
Alain, I've concluded that this performance is dreck, not least owing
to the out of tune D string. I'm going to try again, right now.
Tommy Grand
> Tell us about the Bob Dylan book you have on your shelf there.
It's this one: http://www.amazon.com/Bob-Dylan-Encyclopedia-Michael-Gray/dp/0826469337
Good for the john, otherwise avoid.
Tommy Grand
Yea they're all from book 2. Thanks Eric but I've decided that the
playing was too disorganized. I'm going to try again.
Alain Reiher
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I am sure you'll do fine and ... I am looking forward to hear it again, I
agree with Eric about the beauty in that piece, to the point that it's one
of my fave up to now. (much better music than Sor/Segovia's # 4).
Alain
Tommy Grand
> I am sure you'll do fine and ... I am looking forward to hear it again, I
> agree with Eric about the beauty in that piece, to the point that it's one
> of my fave up to now. (much better music than Sor/Segovia's # 4).
I think it's like Sor/Segovia #4, only with the melody turned upside
down, and lathered up in a more modern harmonic language.
Anyway, I'm uploading a new version as we speak. Tell me how you
think it compares....I think this study, needs an Allen R rendition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCzZhxmfjrg
Tommy Grand
> Nice lighting, have you been studying cinematic techniques? I'll
> leave the musical comments to others as I feel unqualified.
Friend Tashi, I missed this comment the first time. No, I've just
been trying to learn from trial and error. I just remvoed the first
take because of the tuning issue.
Brad Anders
Melodyne DNA can fix that. If you're using your H4 like on previous
videos, send me the WAV file and I'll take a shot at it.
pban...@yahoo.com
Brad Anders
Tommy Grand
> Melodyne DNA can fix that. If you're using your H4 like on previous
> videos, send me the WAV file and I'll take a shot at it.
> pband...@yahoo.com
>
> Brad Anders
Brad that sounds like a funny experiment. Britney Spears style.
Unfortunately I deleted the wav file already :(
Brad Anders
>
> Brad Anders
Just to try it, I took your re-recorded study, extracted the audio,
and processed it. Looks to be in good tune, the high E's are a bit
sharp. I corrected them, but the difference is so small you can barely
tell. Intonation looks good up the neck, too.
I'm still a neophyte with this tool, there's much more that can be
done (e.g. improve tone quality on some notes, tweek timing, eliminate
string noise, etc.)
Brad Anders
Tommy Grand
> I'm still a neophyte with this tool, there's much more that can be
> done (e.g. improve tone quality on some notes, tweek timing, eliminate
> string noise, etc.)
Brad, I'm pretty ashamed that I played out of tune in the first place,
and uploading/posting it only compounded the sin. Therefore I marked
the first video "private" and planned to forget it forever! But...I'm
intrigued by this software experiment. The before/after may give us
something fun to argue about here. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9xkXAuMqPs
If you can send me a revised .wav file I'll reassmble the video.
While your at it, see if you can soften up the stridency of my thumb
tone and force me to keep the tempo.
Tommy Grand
Actually, I guess don't change the tempo or I won't be able to video
sync it.
Alain Reiher
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Brad Anders
Oh! Man! Super/hyper/dooper performance recordings are comming on the market
soon! Will there be an opposition to this? A kind of let us hear all the
buzz and an squeaks and back frets ants sound etc
Alain
Brad Anders
I'm at work right now, I'll do it later when I get home and send you
the wav back. As per your other message, I won't fool with the tempo.
Changing the formants (tone quality) will give me a challenge. You can
see there are a few notes that really stand out that could be
adjusted.
FWIW, I'm not trying to "fix" your playing, just learning how to use
this tool.
Brad Anders
Brad Anders
> "Brad Anders" <pband...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Alain, this kind of "adjustment" has been going on for a long time,
especially with vocals. Simple punch in/out has enabled people to
record over their mistakes for years. Auto-Tune is used on a large
number of recordings to tweek vocals, and to create specific vocal
effects. Newer technologies like Melodyne DNA up the ante by enabling
note manipulation in polyphonic music. Is this good? Is it bad? I
can't say, all I know is that it's here and it's going to get a lot
more sophisticated. Many pop performers use Auto-Tune in live
performances to correct their vocal misses on-the-fly. From what I can
see, the same thing will be possible to some extent with instrument
performances. It should even be possible to take a score and use it to
guide the process.
Brad Anders
Brad Anders
Tommy, is this guy a long-lost brother of yours?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5qSOBF9Z8&feature=rec-HM-r2
Brad Anders
Tommy Grand
You mean the hotshot kid, or the rambling fellow? I'm not yet at the
YouTube phase where I start spamming my wares, but soon.
Alain Reiher
Brad Anders
I might sound anti-tech but ... I am not. Would not that be great if this
process of sound adjustment could be integrated into the instruments
themselves!
An auto-correct for buzzes, squeak eliminator, constant automatic tuning,
visual tools that would tell you to apply a little more pressure here and
there, a wrong note corrector and who knows there might eventually invent a
speed enhencer!
I can simply imagine the relief shoulders of a guitar player seeing these
kind of advantages built in his instrument! The negative might be that we
would have to pay for regular check ups and battery change ... not to
mention the cost of such an hand made instrument!
Alain
John Nguyen
Well done, Mr. Grand! I enjoyed it very much. Thanks mucho for
sharing.
Cheers,
John
Brad Anders
Just sent you the modified wav, check your email. I pitch corrected
the notes that sounded out (I'm sure I missed some) and decreased the
amplitude of some of the more strident notes. I'm sure a pro could
have done a lot more than I did, I'm just learning. Have a listen and
see what you think.
Brad Anders
Tommy Grand
> Just sent you the modified wav, check your email. I pitch corrected
> the notes that sounded out (I'm sure I missed some) and decreased the
> amplitude of some of the more strident notes. I'm sure a pro could
> have done a lot more than I did, I'm just learning. Have a listen and
> see what you think.
Interesting experiment Brad. I can hear the pitch change, but I'm not
sure I can detect much improvement in the bad tone. Maybe there's
only so much you can do with a problem like that. Anyway I'm about to
post a comparison vid in a new thread.
Brad Anders
You're right, I didn't do anything about the tone, but it can be
manipulated. My skills just aren't there yet. The tools in Melodyne
let me change pitch (including modulaton and drift), timing, note
duration, amplitude, and tone color (formants). I'm working through
tutorials right now, when I get better, I'll do another example using
solo classical guitar.
thanks,
Brad Anders