HVL 7 on Piano

[JPD]

More grist for the mill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBrtpFlIgM

[dsi1]

On 2/14/2013 12:15 PM, JPD wrote:
> More grist for the mill.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBrtpFlIgM
>

Guitar ---> Piano? That's the nuttiest idea I ever heard of.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Yes ... but the (guitar string) tension isn't there any more which make it sound
like something quite ordinary ...not to say pianisticoanemikissstic.

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:15:03 -0800, JPD wrote:

> More grist for the mill.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBrtpFlIgM

Peculiar. There are places where she apparently could
not find a clearly marked melody. Less pedal would
help. Regards, daveA

--
Guitar teaching materials and original music for all styles and levels.
Site: http://www.openguitar.com (()) eMail: d.raleig...@gmail.com
Contact: http://www.openguitar.com/contact.html"

[John Nguyen]

On Friday, February 15, 2013 10:13:38 AM UTC-5, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:09:19 PM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote: > On 2/14/2013 12:15 PM, JPD wrote: > > > More grist for the mill. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBrtpFlIgM > > > > > > > Guitar ---> Piano? That's the nuttiest idea I ever heard of. Yes ... but the (guitar string) tension isn't there any more which make it sound like something quite ordinary ...not to say pianisticoanemikissstic.

There is another one for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdxjy_jcOjk

The Preludio actually can be sight-read off the guitar score with very little change. I went through it once before, and it seemed very easy on the piano.
Cheers,

John

[Matti Partonen]

> "dsi1" wrote in message news:kfjqpj$hhc$1...@dont-email.me...

I suppose these are familiar to everybody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNZfJaVoda8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT8PsB0I5qI

not to speak of the many piano renditions on youtube.

And a bit off-topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23C0d5iZbWg


Matti P.

[JPD]

On Feb 15, 9:46 am, "Matti Partonen" <matti.parto...@dlc.fi> wrote:
> > "dsi1"  wrote in messagenews:kfjqpj$hhc$1...@dont-email.me...

Leyenda was plausible through the A part and I was looking forward to
seeing what followed, but he lost everything in the B part. Too bad.

The harpist had very little to say in Recuerdos.

The violinist pulled off a nice stunt with Recuerdos, but there was
nothing beautiful about it.

[dsi1]

It sounds like a goofy piano piece. My favorite pieces on the guitar
were originally piano pieces. I doubt that anybody can say the opposite
is true.

[dsi1]

On 2/15/2013 7:46 AM, Matti Partonen wrote:
>
>
>> "dsi1" wrote in message news:kfjqpj$hhc$1...@dont-email.me... On
>> 2/14/2013 12:15 PM, JPD wrote:
>> > More grist for the mill.
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBrtpFlIgM >
>>
>> Guitar ---> Piano? That's the nuttiest idea I ever heard of.
>
> I suppose these are familiar to everybody:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNZfJaVoda8
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT8PsB0I5qI

That guy should stick with "Flight of the Bumbbuling Bees" like all the
other violinists that want to show off. They got a gimmick piece of
their own, leave ours alone!

>
> not to speak of the many piano renditions on youtube.
>
> And a bit off-topic:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23C0d5iZbWg

I never liked that tune played on the guitar anyway. It's great for a
stunt on the violin though.

>
>
> Matti P.
>

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Villa - Lobos wrote so many nice work for the Piano ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ofsPqvdp0

I have posted this one before her ... but it still beautiful!

As for Barrios ... Prelude in C minor as a short encore would do it ... and an octave lower ...

[JPD]

That's an interesting point and I think it tells us something
important.

[saraband]

On Feb 15, 7:44 pm, Fadosolrélamisi <rei...@telus.net> wrote:
> On Friday, February 15, 2013 7:50:46 AM UTC-8, John Nguyen wrote:
> > On Friday, February 15, 2013 10:13:38 AM UTC-5, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
>
> > > On Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:09:19 PM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote: > On 2/14/2013 12:15 PM, JPD wrote: > > > More grist for the mill. > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBrtpFlIgM> > > > > > > Guitar ---> Piano? That's the nuttiest idea I ever heard of. Yes ... but the (guitar string) tension isn't there any more which make it sound like something quite ordinary ...not to say pianisticoanemikissstic.
>
> > There is another one for ya.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdxjy_jcOjk
>
> > The Preludio actually can be sight-read off the guitar score with very little change. I went through it once before, and it seemed very easy on the piano.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > John
>
> Villa - Lobos wrote so many nice work for the Piano ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ofsPqvdp0
>

Totally agree Alain. Love this one (and the suite it is a part of):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vun06oaq8hI

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Superb! The more I hear HVL work for piano the less I am incline to listen to his guitar work ... (Which I wasn't already anyway ... Except maybe for the suite popular's Valsa Choro, Gavotta Choro and the Chorinho, and the Choro Typico, ok, is that it? Ha, yes, and his study No 5 and 8, and his prelude No5)
Thanks for posting this! (In my Fav's file)

Alain

[dsi1]

It's always amazed me at how faithful the Albeniz Spanish suite pieces
played on the guitar are to the originals. Pieces like Granada are
trying to emulate a piano style. You have to be able to transcend the
limitations of the guitar - of which, there are many. Transcribing from
the guitar to piano represents a throttling down of piano technique.
That's the breaks.

[Curmudgeon]

No worse than this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSL_eDWp_9o

[Tony Done]

I really liked that, except the string noise was a bit of a distraction.
The low notes added a darkness that fits well my idea of the Spanish
temperament.

--
Tony Done

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=784456
http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/

[David Raleigh Arnold]

That's not entirely true. The limitation of the piano in
it's ability to finely control the ends of notes is not
shared by the guitar. That often makes the guitar more
rhythmic. That's one reason why I find it hard to listen
to a guitarist who trashes the beat, the most unifying
musical structure of all. You can't have rhythm without
a beat.

If you don't understand your instrument's limitations, you don't
understand your instrument. Regards, daveA

[dsi1]

On 2/16/2013 12:16 PM, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
>> It's always amazed me at how faithful the Albeniz Spanish suite pieces
>> played on the guitar are to the originals. Pieces like Granada are
>> trying to emulate a piano style. You have to be able to transcend the
>> limitations of the guitar - of which, there are many. Transcribing from
>> the guitar to piano represents a throttling down of piano technique.
>> That's the breaks.
>
> That's not entirely true. The limitation of the piano in
> it's ability to finely control the ends of notes is not
> shared by the guitar. That often makes the guitar more
> rhythmic. That's one reason why I find it hard to listen
> to a guitarist who trashes the beat, the most unifying
> musical structure of all. You can't have rhythm without
> a beat.

My guess is that a pianist could easily play a sheet of guitar music on
a piano but it's going to sound pretty crappy. Throttling down would be
unavoidable. Guitarists, on the other hand, wouldn't be able to play
most piano music sheets as printed without heavy modifications.

>
> If you don't understand your instrument's limitations, you don't
> understand your instrument. Regards, daveA

I'm very aware of the limitations of the guitar when playing piano
transcriptions. Mostly, we have to rely on tricks to pull it off. I
don't consider that to be a bad thing - I like magic tricks.

>

[Fadosolrélamisi]

The guitar do not have any limitations! The guitar is the guitar. It's a whole universe. Smaller of course than the piano but nonetheless a world in itself!

[dsi1]

On 2/16/2013 12:42 PM, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
>
> The guitar do not have any limitations! The guitar is the guitar. It's a whole universe. Smaller of course than the piano but nonetheless a world in itself!
>

Obviously, you haven't seen me play - we can't all be Jeff Beck. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=howz7gVecjE

[Fadosolrélamisi]

I think the guitar reflects everything a human can be, the worst as much as the great ... let say (as ordinary players) that we have our moments! The rest of these moments are like playing tennis with an avocado pit!

[David Raleigh Arnold]

Of course a guitar has limitations. It's sustain, for example,
is very limited. How could you compensate for or capitalize
on such a limitation if you were not aware of it? Regards, daveA

[Fadosolrélamisi]

You've never heard Zappa's Solo on "sexual harassment at work"? Anywhoo ... you took me to the letter ... What I meant is that the guitar has it's own characteristics, if you want to see them as limitations (and a lot of guitarists do, and maybe, for this reason, a lot of them, guitarists, suffer from an inferiority complex ...) that's your choice, and I repeat : The guitar do not have any limitations! The guitar is the guitar. It's a whole universe all by itself!

[dsi1]

You're right - the guitar is a most amazing instrument. It's both easy and hard to play and there's more ways to play than any other. Without a doubt it's the king of musical instruments. OTOH, I don't practice nearly enough. Oh well...

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Eh! is not that another thing with guitarists? The not practicing nearly enough thing?
I don't want to compare the guitar! NO!!! No comparaison! The guitar is the guitar! Period! In term of size (there you go... I'm comparing!) the King is the organ ... the church organ, but wait a minute, the king of kings is the orchestra! No, no! The human voice! That's it ... then below that human voice all the hierarchy you want, or will establish is fine! Please, do not put the Kazoo at the end of the line!

[dsi1]

On 2/17/2013 11:55 AM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> Eh! is not that another thing with guitarists? The not practicing nearly enough thing?
> I don't want to compare the guitar! NO!!! No comparaison! The guitar is the guitar! Period! In term of size (there you go... I'm comparing!) the King is the organ ... the church organ, but wait a minute, the king of kings is the orchestra! No, no! The human voice! That's it ... then below that human voice all the hierarchy you want, or will establish is fine! Please, do not put the Kazoo at the end of the line!
>

Well, be that as it may, I have no doubt what musical instrument most
people would want to have on a desert island or even a rock in the
middle of the Pacific. My guess is that it ain't a kazoo or even a baby
grand wazoo.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:48:18 AM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

Give it a chance, quand même, it could be very useful to repetitively tag the S.O.S morse rhythm, ok, a drum would be better but the Kazoo, the Kazoo, has just enough of this amateurish thing associated to it to make it the most non-serious instrument in the entire world. ?

[carlosguitar2000]

Dunno about that: In the song "Crosstown Traffic", from the album Electric Ladyland, Jimi Hendrix used a kazoo made of comb and paper acompanying the guitar to accentuate a blown-out speaker sound for which he was looking"

Look for it the guitar riff at the solos section...

Silly, huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazoo

[Andrew Schulman]

On Feb 22, 11:05 am, carlosguitar2000 <carlosguitar2...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Dunno about that: In the song "Crosstown Traffic", from the album Electric Ladyland...
>
>
One of his best.

Andrew

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Ha! That's what is was ... I wonder for years about that sound! PROBLEM SOLVED!
And ... I knew that a guy like Hendrix would never spit on the Kazoo (well .. so to speak).

Thanks Carlos!

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Euh ... From a New Yorker ... this is not surprising!

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:48:18 AM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

Still ... I won't budge ... better than the vuvuzuela or the zuzuvuela (whatever way this ugly plastic trumpet of all colour is spelled!)

[Andrew Schulman]

On Feb 22, 8:01 pm, Fadosolrélamisi <rei...@telus.net> wrote:
> Euh ... From a New Yorker ... this is not surprising!
>
>

Surprise!

Andrew

[Fadosolrélamisi]

Now ... that is surprising!

Alain

[dsi1]

On 2/22/2013 3:03 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:48:18 AM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

Well with a guitar on a desert island, you could burn the wood for heat
and use the strings to make all sorts of useful things like fish hooks
and animal snares. I guess you could use a kazoo as a duck call and a
vuvuzuela as a funnel. It would be really grand to be shipwrecked on a
desert island with a grand piano. You could build a shack with one of
those. :-)

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:54:41 AM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

> On 2/22/2013 3:03 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:48:18 AM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:
>

The way the virtuality of things is going these days, I think that a desert island will be very hard to find ... a mysterious Island maybe ... but desert ... no more, I think they exist no more ... and if by any chances one could find one, I think that the survival hope kit wish list would be link to a working cell phone a GPS, an Ipad or a under water TV rather than a vuvuzuela, kazoo or piano ... who wants to be alone now a day? Everyone wants to stay connected 24/7?

[Slogoin]

On Feb 23, 3:52 pm, Fadosolrélamisi <rei...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> The way the virtuality of things is going these days, I think that a
> desert island will be very hard to find ... a mysterious Island maybe ...

Just because you think you're always being watched doesn't mean
what it used to.

[dsi1]

On 2/23/2013 1:52 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> The way the virtuality of things is going these days, I think that a desert island will be very hard to find ... a mysterious Island maybe ... but desert ... no more, I think they exist no more ... and if by any chances one could find one, I think that the survival hope kit wish list would be link to a working cell phone a GPS, an Ipad or a under water TV rather than a vuvuzuela, kazoo or piano ... who wants to be alone now a day? Everyone wants to stay connected 24/7?
>

I don't know how many desert islands there are. My guess is that there
are archipelagos with thousands that nobody cares about enough to chart.

I think a lot of us could use some solitude. I would dig getting dropped
off on a small island that had food and shelter and no one else around.
On this island we could contemplate the movement of the sun and moon and
the stars and the waves. When we've had enough we just fire off a rocket
and get picked up the next day. I could probably live like that for a
week or two. Others might last for years in such a place.

[John Nguyen]

On Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:22:45 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On 2/23/2013 1:52 PM, Fadosolrélamisi wrote: > > The way the virtuality of things is going these days, I think that a desert island will be very hard to find ... a mysterious Island maybe ... but desert ... no more, I think they exist no more ... and if by any chances one could find one, I think that the survival hope kit wish list would be link to a working cell phone a GPS, an Ipad or a under water TV rather than a vuvuzuela, kazoo or piano ... who wants to be alone now a day? Everyone wants to stay connected 24/7? > I don't know how many desert islands there are. My guess is that there are archipelagos with thousands that nobody cares about enough to chart. I think a lot of us could use some solitude. I would dig getting dropped off on a small island that had food and shelter and no one else around. On this island we could contemplate the movement of the sun and moon and the stars and the waves. When we've had enough we just fire off a rocket and get picked up the next day. I could probably live like that for a week or two. Others might last for years in such a place.

Hey, Make sure you don't end up on Sandy Island. Nobody will be able to find you!

http://thefw.com/non-existent-island/

[Fadosolrélamisi]

And ... with a piano ... that would indeed be the end of me!

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Saturday, February 23, 2013 4:22:45 PM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

I do not like unpleasant solitude ... the one that can be felt in big crowd where people seems to be walking everywhere point to no where point... but the kind of solitude you offer here in your example, I'll take it anytime, an Island with an enough of it fire rocket, yeah! That sounds good. I'll add to the list an hammock and my ukunukshook! (An a few books!)

[dsi1]

On 2/23/2013 2:49 PM, John Nguyen wrote:
> On Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:22:45 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

>> On 2/23/2013 1:52 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote: > > The way the virtuality of things is going these days, I think that a desert island will be very hard to find ... a mysterious Island maybe ... but desert ... no more, I think they exist no more ... and if by any chances one could find one, I think that the survival hope kit wish list would be link to a working cell phone a GPS, an Ipad or a under water TV rather than a vuvuzuela, kazoo or piano ... who wants to be alone now a day? Everyone wants to stay connected 24/7? > I don't know how many desert islands there are. My guess is that there are archipelagos with thousands that nobody cares about enough to chart. I think a lot of us could use some solitude. I would dig getting dropped off on a small island that had food and shelter and no one else around. On this island we could contemplate the movement of the sun and moon and the stars and the waves. When we've had enough we just fire off a rocket and get picked up the next day. I

could probably live like that for a week or two. Others might last for years in such a place.
>
> Hey, Make sure you don't end up on Sandy Island. Nobody will be able to find you!
>
> http://thefw.com/non-existent-island/
>

I'll keep that in mind if my plane ever crashes into the raging surf of
some random island. OTOH, the most beautiful islands are the ones that
do not exist.

[dsi1]

On 2/23/2013 3:06 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> I do not like unpleasant solitude ... the one that can be felt in big crowd where people seems to be walking everywhere point to no where point... but the kind of solitude you offer here in your example, I'll take it anytime, an Island with an enough of it fire rocket, yeah! That sounds good. I'll add to the list an hammock and my ukunukshook! (An a few books!)
>

Ukunukshook? How many strings do that got?

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:14:50 PM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

> On 2/23/2013 3:06 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I do not like unpleasant solitude ... the one that can be felt in big crowd where people seems to be walking everywhere point to no where point... but the kind of solitude you offer here in your example, I'll take it anytime, an Island with an enough of it fire rocket, yeah! That sounds good. I'll add to the list an hammock and my ukunukshook! (An a few books!)
>
> >
>
> Ukunukshook? How many strings do that got?

This is not it ... but I thought of posting this image as it is one the most well known comic cult instrument (in some part of the world!) and having it on a desert island ... one would be found in a matter of hours!

http://comicwiki.dk/images/Viggo.jpg

This is my ukunukshook :

http://www.oscarschmidt.com/products/ukes/ou4.asp

[dsi1]

On 2/24/2013 8:29 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
> On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:14:50 PM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

>> On 2/23/2013 3:06 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I do not like unpleasant solitude ... the one that can be felt in big crowd where people seems to be walking everywhere point to no where point... but the kind of solitude you offer here in your example, I'll take it anytime, an Island with an enough of it fire rocket, yeah! That sounds good. I'll add to the list an hammock and my ukunukshook! (An a few books!)
>>
>>>
>>
>> Ukunukshook? How many strings do that got?
>
> This is not it ... but I thought of posting this image as it is one the most well known comic cult instrument (in some part of the world!) and having it on a desert island ... one would be found in a matter of hours!
>
> http://comicwiki.dk/images/Viggo.jpg

That looks a little too messy to play.

>
> This is my ukunukshook :
>
> http://www.oscarschmidt.com/products/ukes/ou4.asp

That's some fancy stuff. The price seems reasonable. It sounds good and
play good?

>
>

[florenc...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 25, 2013 2:27:55 AM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

> On 2/24/2013 8:29 PM, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:14:50 PM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:
>

> >> On 2/23/2013 3:06 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> I do not like unpleasant solitude ... the one that can be felt in big crowd where people seems to be walking everywhere point to no where point... but the kind of solitude you offer here in your example, I'll take it anytime, an Island with an enough of it fire rocket, yeah! That sounds good. I'll add to the list an hammock and my ukunukshook! (An a few books!)
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> Ukunukshook? How many strings do that got?
>
> >
>
> > This is not it ... but I thought of posting this image as it is one the most well known comic cult instrument (in some part of the world!) and having it on a desert island ... one would be found in a matter of hours!
>
> >
>
> > http://comicwiki.dk/images/Viggo.jpg
>
>
>
> That looks a little too messy to play.
>
>
>
> >
>
> > This is my ukunukshook :
>
> >
>
> > http://www.oscarschmidt.com/products/ukes/ou4.asp
>
>
>
> That's some fancy stuff. The price seems reasonable. It sounds good and
>
> play good?
>
>
>
> >
>
> >

For less than 200$ on boxing day ... ( real cost for me was 60$ as I received a gift card from the parents of the class in which i'm working for the local little music shop ...) it plays and sound fine! The fancy stuff is not so much the inlays but the ... Spruce top! [;o) The Uke is all good fun.

[dsi1]

On 2/25/2013 5:13 AM, florenc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> For less than 200$ on boxing day ... ( real cost for me was 60$ as I received a gift card from the parents of the class in which i'm working for the local little music shop ...) it plays and sound fine! The fancy stuff is not so much the inlays but the ... Spruce top! [;o) The Uke is all good fun.
>
>

A spruce top on a uke makes me shudder but if you say it's alright then,
by golly, it must be alright! :-)

[Fadosolrélamisi]

I swear, I didn't intend to minimize the conflict between Spruce VS Cedar we long know and transpose it to this happiest lilliputian instrument. In fact, this was the last tenor Uke available in the store, so the instrument kind of choose me! [;o)

[dsi1]

On 2/25/2013 6:42 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> I swear, I didn't intend to minimize the conflict between Spruce VS Cedar we long know and transpose it to this happiest lilliputian instrument. In fact, this was the last tenor Uke available in the store, so the instrument kind of choose me! [;o)
>

Boy, I tell you, we could use some $200 ukes over here. The price on
those things just skyrocketed in the last 20 years. How the hell do
people expect us Hawaiians to pay $600 and up for a uke? That's insane
man! Obama should have the US taxpayers subsidize our uke payments so
every Hawaiian can own a uke! He can do that, can't he?

[Tony Done]

On 26/02/2013 6:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> The price on those things just skyrocketed in t

Spend $20, close yer eyes and think of Izzy.



--
Tony Done

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=784456
http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:56:23 AM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

I can imagine that the life of a ukuleleist would be very difficult, except maybe for the superukuleleist Jake Shimabukuro, repaying the loan contracted from the bank would take, on the money strictly made by the return obtain from playing ukulele corner street gigs, 3 to 5 years depending on which street corner and which kind of music one would be playing ... at 50 cents a month one would not call this making a good living. Its outrageous to see how the ukulele and mango price has indeed skyrocketed! i don't know for your side of the planet but here for example we are in the midst of a coconut product craze and all thing coconuty is not only sold as the new healthy but at a price that must make someone's walk to the bank a laughing strike! My bet is that the ukulele, falling in the same exotic category as the mango and the coconut, is already doomed to die just because of some greedy economist who thinks that it (the ukulele) would supplant the infamous vuvuzuela in all the stadiums where a sporting event would be held!

[dsi1]

On 2/26/2013 12:47 AM, Tony Done wrote:
> On 26/02/2013 6:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> The price on those things just skyrocketed in t
>
> Spend $20, close yer eyes and think of Izzy.
>

This is a good idea. It's gonna take me a while to find a $20 uke though.

[dsi1]

On 2/26/2013 5:29 AM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> I can imagine that the life of a ukuleleist would be very difficult, except maybe for the superukuleleist Jake Shimabukuro, repaying the loan contracted from the bank would take, on the money strictly made by the return obtain from playing ukulele corner street gigs, 3 to 5 years depending on which street corner and which kind of music one would be playing ... at 50 cents a month one would not call this making a good living. Its outrageous to see how the ukulele and mango price has indeed skyrocketed! i don't know for your side of the planet but here for example we are in the midst of a coconut product craze and all thing coconuty is not only sold as the new healthy but at a price that must make someone's walk to the bank a laughing strike! My bet is that the ukulele, falling in the same exotic category as the mango and the coconut, is already doomed to die just because of some greedy economist who thinks that it (the ukulele) would supplant the infamous vuvuzuela in all the stadi
ums where a sporting event would be held!
>

Ha ha, back when Jake Shimabukuro emerged as a ukulele virtuoso, all the
guitarists on this island must have thought the same thing that I did -
why the heck is he playing that thing? These days, we've learned to
accept him as he is and the uke as kind of cool so there's been some
improvement on that front.

I don't much care for coconuts - they fall from the trees with a big
thud. I hate that sound! Sometimes they fall on people's heads. Not
good. As far as mangos goes, there are people that get killed every year
from picking mangos using long metal poles and touching power lines.
OTOH, mangos are the best fruit around. You can take all our coconuts
but please leave da mangos. The best you can say about ukes is that they
never hurt or killed anyone. Well, maybe people have been assaulted with
a uke but for the most part, they're probably the musical instrument
least likely to kill.

[Tony Done]

Based on prices here, I thought you might get one for that in the US,
but spending a bit more would be a lot better. Asiam-made ukes have
tended towards nice cosmetics like spalted but laminated timber. They
mostly seem to sound OK. Our two big factory makes now offer ukes, in
about the $600-800 price range. Not at all sure you get much better tone
than from imports costing a quarter of that.

[dsi1]

On 2/26/2013 9:31 AM, Tony Done wrote:
>
> Based on prices here, I thought you might get one for that in the US,
> but spending a bit more would be a lot better. Asiam-made ukes have
> tended towards nice cosmetics like spalted but laminated timber. They
> mostly seem to sound OK. Our two big factory makes now offer ukes, in
> about the $600-800 price range. Not at all sure you get much better tone
> than from imports costing a quarter of that.
>

There's a uke factory down our street. I've been meaning to pay it a
visit. Will try to get that done soon. Most likely, I'll just pick up a
generic, China-made, Lanikai concert the next time I go to Costco. My
wife says it's funny that I'm always playing it whenever we go shopping
there. Ha ha, I suppose she's right.

[Tony Done]

I did a bit of internet research before I bought mine. I ended up with
an all-solid timber (sapele?) Kala in concert size, but mail order. I
haven't compared it side-by-side with anything comparable, but it looks
OK and fills my modest needs.

[Gerry]

Think plastic.
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden

[dsi1]

"Kala" means Money in Hawaiian. "Lanikai" is an area in the town that I
grew up in where rich people live. I'm seeing a pattern here...

[dsi1]

On 2/26/2013 12:15 PM, Gerry wrote:
> On 2013-02-26 17:13:32 +0000, dsi1 said:
>
>> On 2/26/2013 12:47 AM, Tony Done wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2013 6:56 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> The price on those things just skyrocketed in t
>>>
>>> Spend $20, close yer eyes and think of Izzy.
>>>
>>
>> This is a good idea. It's gonna take me a while to find a $20 uke though.
>
> Think plastic.

I've had those. A plastic uke is the best toy you could give to a 5 year
old. It's not going to cost you $20 either.

[Tony Done]

Yeah, credit cards solve all your financial problems.

Tony D

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:36:06 AM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

I would be surprise if on the Ukulele platform there is room for 2 or 3 virtuosi the same way Segovianov, breamniev and Williamnovsky had their pathway traced by the hand of good fortune ... On the small lilliputian scale of this instrument (the Ukulele) one virtuoso is plenty and a Beatles maniac as a bonus! Asking someone to play the Uku under a coconut tree might be the way to go if one has murderous thought.
there was a program (David Susuki : The Nature Of Things) on fruits the other day and in one segment, they were taking about the white (white inside) mango!
I've never seen or tasted one, do you by any chance have them on your Island?
In Haiti, we have all kind of mango species too and as a kid, eating mangoes, was one of my favorite pass time during the holidays!
When you go down to the factory, ask them to see if they make ukulele made out of a mango tree ... I wonder how they sound?!

[thomas]

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:04:17 PM UTC-5, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
>
> When you go down to the factory, ask them to see if they make ukulele made out of a mango tree ... I wonder how they sound?!>

Luis Bonfa wrote a great tune about mango trees:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3oLIuEakU

[John Nguyen]

On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:04:17 PM UTC-5, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:

When you go down to the factory, ask them to see if they make ukulele made out of a mango tree ... I wonder how they sound?!

I imagine the sound would start out a little sour at first, then it would get sweeter and sweeter as it ages.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

What do I know about portugese? Nothing ... so I enter it (it being "À Sombra da Mangueira") in the google translator and what do I get Thomas, what do I get?
In the shadow of the hose!!!! Is that a song for a fireman under a coconut tree?

But ... thanks ... at least I had a good background music while searching the translator engine!

[dsi1]

On 2/26/2013 4:04 PM, Fadosolr�lamisi wrote:
>
> I would be surprise if on the Ukulele platform there is room for 2 or 3 virtuosi the same way Segovianov, breamniev and Williamnovsky had their pathway traced by the hand of good fortune ... On the small lilliputian scale of this instrument (the Ukulele) one virtuoso is plenty and a Beatles maniac as a bonus! Asking someone to play the Uku under a coconut tree might be the way to go if one has murderous thought.
> there was a program (David Susuki : The Nature Of Things) on fruits the other day and in one segment, they were taking about the white (white inside) mango!
> I've never seen or tasted one, do you by any chance have them on your Island?

I'll keep my eyes and ears open for the white mango. I am unfamiliar
with this fruit. It sounds kind of goofy.

> In Haiti, we have all kind of mango species too and as a kid, eating mangoes, was one of my favorite pass time during the holidays!
> When you go down to the factory, ask them to see if they make ukulele made out of a mango tree ... I wonder how they sound?!
>

I doubt that there's very many ukes made from mango around. It's kind of
a goofy looking wood that frequently looks like it's got iron stains.
OTOH, "goofy" is better than boring. OTOH, I'd rather eat the mangoes
than play it. Boy, I've had some really great and huge mangoes. At least
I can say that I'm lucky in that regard. :-)

As far as the sound goes, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
They all sound like ukes to me.

[thomas]

I think the title translates as "In the shade of the mango tree".

[Gerry]

On 2013-02-28 02:42:44 +0000, thomas said:

> I think the title translates as "In the shade of the mango tree".

It does, but Mangueira is also a neighborhood in Rio that claims much
of the Brazilian musical mojo; certainly in samba, where their escola
is of historic importance.

I don't know if Bonfa had it in mind, and I can't put my hands on a set
of the lyrics right now.

Mangueira is also where Cartola was from and where Noel Rosa spent time
slumming and inventing a modern popularized and sophisticated form of
samba, which was then fundamental to continuing styles of Brazilian
music.

[Fadosolrélamisi]

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:04:24 PM UTC-8, dsi1 wrote:

You're right about the sound a uke sound is a uke sound. I like it that way ... as it required less work to build the sound in an I can jump almost right away into practice, especially for the arpeggios. (I might be approaching my ukunukeshook too much like a 4 strgs guitar ...) For the strumming part, I found that strumming sul tasto give the best result (On my uke anyway).
I'll have to coordinate my trip with the mango season when I'll go there!

[Fadosolrélamisi]

great! I'm really happy to see that the uke thread is going as far as this into the multicultural musical stations of the world! [;o)

[ag]

Il giorno giovedì 14 febbraio 2013 23:15:03 UTC+1, JPD ha scritto:
> More grist for the mill.
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBrtpFlIgM

A bit of history of the guitar music would not bring any harm to this happy fest - I hope. The first interpreter of the "12 Etudes" by HVL - fully and warmly endorsed by the composer - was not a guitarist, but the Spanish pianist - a Brazilian citizen and an intimate friend of the composer - Tomás Terán, who realized a keyboard version of the Etudes and performed some of them in his concerts since when they were completed. Tomás Terán was the person who accompanied Segovia in his first visit to HVL residence in Paris on 1924, the day after the rather stormy meeting between the composer and the guitarist. When Abel Carlevaro - then a young guitarist - visited HVL in Rio de Janeiro on 1943 in search in instructions about how to perform the "12 Etudes", he was invited by the composer for a lunch, after whose delight Terán played to Carlevaro the whole series, with HVL's comments and approval. So, the perspective of a pianistic version of the "12 Etudes" not only is not a new fact, but it precedes by decades the first performance of the wholer work given by a guitarist (Turibio Santos), and surely HVL never listened to a guitarist playing the pieces at the same level of musical clarity, elegance and expression imparted to them by Terán and other pianists. Only in the last 20 years we have been able to listen to the "12 Etudes" performed by some guitarists at a satisfactory level.
ag

[JPD]

An interesting story. Thank you.

[thomas]

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:07:25 AM UTC-5, Fadosolrélamisi wrote:
>
> great! I'm really happy to see that the uke thread is going as far as this into the multicultural musical stations of the world! [;o)>

Actually, name-checking a Brazilian guitar composer brought us back into the vicinity of the original topic.

[Steven Bornfeld]

Many thanks--I was totally unaware of this history.

Steve

[Gerry]

On 2013-02-28 07:16:04 +0000, ag said:

> Il giorno giovedě 14 febbraio 2013 23:15:03 UTC+1, JPD ha scritto:
>> More grist for the mill.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXBrtpFlIgM
>
> A bit of history of the guitar music would not bring any harm to this
> happy fest - I hope. The first interpreter of the "12 Etudes" by HVL -
> fully and warmly endorsed by the composer - was not a guitarist, but
> the Spanish pianist - a Brazilian citizen and an intimate friend of the
> composer - Tomás Terán, who realized a keyboard version of the Etudes
> and performed some of them in his concerts since when they were
> completed. Tomás Terán was the person who accompanied Segovia in his
> first visit to HVL residence in Paris on 1924, the day after the rather
> stormy meeting between the composer and the guitarist. When Abel
> Carlevaro - then a young guitarist - visited HVL in Rio de Janeiro on
> 1943 in search in instructions about how to perform the "12 Etudes", he
> was invited by the composer for a lunch, after whose delight Terán
> played to Carlevaro the whole series, with HVL's comments and approval.
> So, the perspective of a pianistic version of the "12 Etudes" not only
> is not a new fact, but it precedes by decades the first performance of
> the wholer work given by a guitarist (Turibio Santos),

All good information.

> ...and surely HVL never listened to a guitarist playing the pieces at

> the same level of musical clarity, elegance and expression imparted to
> them by Terán and other pianists.

Where do you get the "surely" for HVL's thinking--I assume you mean
you're guessing.

> Only in the last 20 years we have been able to listen to the "12
> Etudes" performed by some guitarists at a satisfactory level.ag

Do you mean only in the last 20 years have recordings been available
that serve your limited purpose?

[ag]

Il giorno giovedì 28 febbraio 2013 20:43:17 UTC+1, Gerry ha scritto:
> On 2013-02-28 07:16:04 +0000, ag said:
>

>
>
>
> > ...and surely HVL never listened to a guitarist playing the pieces at
>
> > the same level of musical clarity, elegance and expression imparted to
>
> > them by Terán and other pianists.
>
>
>
> Where do you get the "surely" for HVL's thinking--I assume you mean
>
> you're guessing.
>

No, I am not guessing. The pianist Teran performed the 12 Etudes for his friend HVL since 1929, whilst, in order to have a guitarist performing all the series we have to wait for Turibio Santos, who recorded the Etudes in 1969, ten years about HVL death. Segovia performed only four studies - and he recorded three of them - and very few guitarists had a chance to read the music before 1953, the year of Max Eschig publication. None of those privilegiated performers who were allowed to see the manuscripts before their publication played more than a few of the Studies.

ag

[Steven Bornfeld]

On 2/28/2013 5:03 PM, ag wrote:
>
>
> No, I am not guessing. The pianist Teran performed the 12 Etudes for his friend HVL since 1929,

whilst, in order to have a guitarist performing all the series we have
to wait for Turibio Santos,

who recorded the Etudes in 1969, ten years about HVL death. Segovia
performed only four studies -

and he recorded three of them - and very few guitarists had a chance to
read the music before 1953,

the year of Max Eschig publication. None of those privilegiated
performers who were allowed to see

the manuscripts before their publication played more than a few of the
Studies.
>
> ag
>
>

Would it be rude to ask if you have a favorite recording (esp. if still
available).
Right now, I have Bream and Kraft.

Steve

[John Nguyen]

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:15:22 PM UTC-5, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> On 2/28/2013 5:03 PM, ag wrote: > > > No, I am not guessing. The pianist Teran performed the 12 Etudes for his friend HVL since 1929, whilst, in order to have a guitarist performing all the series we have to wait for Turibio Santos, who recorded the Etudes in 1969, ten years about HVL death. Segovia performed only four studies - and he recorded three of them - and very few guitarists had a chance to read the music before 1953, the year of Max Eschig publication. None of those privilegiated performers who were allowed to see the manuscripts before their publication played more than a few of the Studies. > > ag > > Would it be rude to ask if you have a favorite recording (esp. if still available). Right now, I have Bream and Kraft. Steve

I have one CD by Fabio Zanon in addtion to the other two. I have to say Zanon is my all time favorite on HVL etudes.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Solo-Guitar-Music/dp/B001CQG10Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1362092564&sr=8-3&keywords=zanon+villa-lobos

[Gerry]

On 2013-02-28 22:03:48 +0000, ag said:

>>> ...and surely HVL never listened to a guitarist playing the pieces at
>>> the same level of musical clarity, elegance and expression imparted to
>>> them by Terán and other pianists.
>>
>> Where do you get the "surely" for HVL's thinking--I assume you mean
>> you're guessing.
>
> No, I am not guessing.

Yes you are; you have no idea what clarity and elegance and expression
imparted to this or any other piece that HVL heard. Unless that is a
direct quote from HVL's auto-biography or from an interview, I think
you're going a bit far in what HVL thought and heard in his life.

[ag]

Your unless is of course the case of truth. The evidence of how appreciative HVL was of Tomas Teran as a pianist, and of his (Teran's) performance of the "12 Etudes", stems unequivocally from the composer's attitude and specific words, as witnessed by Abel Carlevaro (Abel Carlevaro/Un nuevo mundo an la guitarra/Alfredo Escande/Biografias Aguilar, Montevideo, 2005,pag. 150). Go and read them, as I did - with that book as well as with half a dozen of other ones regarding HVL - and you will realize that he would have not invited the young Carlevaro at home, with the purpose of giving him a definite instruction about how he liked his "12 Etudes" to be performed, with offering Tomas Teran performance as an example, if he (HVL) would have not considered such a performance as a model of consistency with what he meant. Unless you believe that HVL was an idiot.

ag

[ag]

Il giorno venerdì 1 marzo 2013 00:03:57 UTC+1, John Nguyen ha scritto:
> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:15:22 PM UTC-5, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>
> > On 2/28/2013 5:03 PM, ag wrote: > > > No, I am not guessing. The pianist Teran performed the 12 Etudes for his friend HVL since 1929, whilst, in order to have a guitarist performing all the series we have to wait for Turibio Santos, who recorded the Etudes in 1969, ten years about HVL death. Segovia performed only four studies - and he recorded three of them - and very few guitarists had a chance to read the music before 1953, the year of Max Eschig publication. None of those privilegiated performers who were allowed to see the manuscripts before their publication played more than a few of the Studies. > > ag > > Would it be rude to ask if you have a favorite recording (esp. if still available). Right now, I have Bream and Kraft. Steve
>
>
>
> I have one CD by Fabio Zanon in addtion to the other two. I have to say Zanon is my all time favorite on HVL etudes.
>

In fact, Fabio Zanon is one of the few best interpreters of HVL's guitar music.
ag



>
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Solo-Guitar-Music/dp/B001CQG10Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1362092564&sr=8-3&keywords=zanon+villa-lobos

[ag]

With quite a respect for the two performers you mention, I believe you could enjoy also other recordings of the whole HVL's output for guitar, and I suggest Fabio Zanon and Frédéric Zigante. If you admit DVDs, then do not miss Giulio Tampalini. All of them bring an original contribution to the interpretation of HVL's guitar works.

dralig

[Steven Bornfeld]

Thanks, John.

[Steven Bornfeld]

On 2/28/2013 9:05 PM, ag wrote:

> Il giorno venerdě 1 marzo 2013 00:03:57 UTC+1, John Nguyen ha scritto:
>> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:15:22 PM UTC-5, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/28/2013 5:03 PM, ag wrote: > > > No, I am not guessing. The pianist Teran performed the 12 Etudes for his friend HVL since 1929, whilst, in order to have a guitarist performing all the series we have to wait for Turibio Santos, who recorded the Etudes in 1969, ten years about HVL death. Segovia performed only four studies - and he recorded three of them - and very few guitarists had a chance to read the music before 1953, the year of Max Eschig publication. None of those privilegiated performers who were allowed to see the manuscripts before their publication played more than a few of the Studies. > > ag > > Would it be rude to ask if you have a favorite recording (esp. if still available). Right now, I have Bream and Kraft. Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> I have one CD by Fabio Zanon in addtion to the other two. I have to say Zanon is my all time favorite on HVL etudes.
>>
>
> In fact, Fabio Zanon is one of the few best interpreters of HVL's guitar music.
> ag

Thank you, Maestro!
Steve
>
>
>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Solo-Guitar-Music/dp/B001CQG10Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1362092564&sr=8-3&keywords=zanon+villa-lobos
>

[Steven Bornfeld]

Thanks--I'll certainly look for these.

Steve

[Gerry]

On 2013-03-01 02:03:47 +0000, ag said:

>>> No, I am not guessing.
>>
>> Yes you are; you have no idea what clarity and elegance and
>> expression>> imparted to this or any other piece that HVL heard. Unless
>> that is a>> direct quote from HVL's auto-biography or from an
>> interview, I think>> you're going a bit far in what HVL thought and
>> heard in his life.
>

> Your unless is of course the case of truth.

I'll believe it with a citation.

> The evidence of how appreciative HVL was of Tomas Teran as a pianist,
> and of his (Teran's) performance of the "12 Etudes", stems
> unequivocally from the composer's attitude and specific words, as
> witnessed by Abel Carlevaro (Abel Carlevaro/Un nuevo mundo an la
> guitarra/Alfredo Escande/Biografias Aguilar, Montevideo, 2005,pag.
> 150). Go and read them, as I did - with that book as well as with half
> a dozen of other ones regarding HVL - and you will realize that he
> would have not invited the young Carlevaro at home, with the purpose of

> giving him a definite instruction...

All very rambly and interesting, but I'm only calling into question
your characterisation of his entire thinking process.

> ...about how he liked his "12 Etudes" to be performed, with offering

> Tomas Teran performance as an example, if he (HVL) would have not
> considered such a performance as a model of consistency with what he
> meant. Unless you believe that HVL was an idiot.

All the many things you attribute to my thinking and conclusions on HVL
have no basis in anything I said. It makes me wonder how you might have
projected other peoples thinking and conclusions similarly.
--

[ag]

Il giorno venerdì 1 marzo 2013 07:02:52 UTC+1, Gerry ha scritto:

>
>
>
> All the many things you attribute to my thinking and conclusions on HVL
>
> have no basis in anything I said. It makes me wonder how you might have
>
> projected other peoples thinking and conclusions similarly.

Your thinking is among the very last of my concerns and I do not attribute anything to them because I have no time to waste. Other people are mentally solid enough to evaluate my projections and decide what to do with them: I trust their minds.

dralig

[ag]

Il giorno venerdì 1 marzo 2013 07:02:52 UTC+1, Gerry ha scritto:

>
>
>

> I'll believe it with a citation.

You have been given a clear and complete bibliographic reference about the source.
If you are interested to achieve an awareness of such a historical event, go and read, as I said before. Offering you a translation from Spanish into English is not my task: I am not your secretary of your waiter, and what you believe or not does not fall within my cares.

ag

[Gerry]

On 2013-03-01 06:33:56 +0000, ag said:

> Il giorno venerdě 1 marzo 2013 07:02:52 UTC+1, Gerry ha scritto:
>
>> All the many things you attribute to my thinking and conclusions on HVL
>> have no basis in anything I said. It makes me wonder how you might have

>> projected other people's thinking and conclusions similarly.
>
> Your thinking is among the very last of my concerns...

I'm not sure why you wanted to talk about it.

[Gerry]

On 2013-03-01 06:52:41 +0000, ag said:

> Il giorno venerdě 1 marzo 2013 07:02:52 UTC+1, Gerry ha scritto:
>
>> I'll believe it with a citation.
>
> You have been given a clear and complete bibliographic reference about
> the source.

As it turns out, being given a citation I can't read in a book I don't
own doesn't help: I don't believe your citation. If it were true I
think you'd quote it instead.

I find on the internet there is an endless proponderance of
declarations of what other people think and believe, usually based on
something other than a direct quote by the referent. I have concluded
yours falls into the same category.

You may continute to fume, if you like.

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 17:29:15 -0800, Gerry wrote:

> On 2013-02-28 22:03:48 +0000, ag said:
>
>>>> ...and surely HVL never listened to a guitarist playing the pieces at
>>>> the same level of musical clarity, elegance and expression imparted
>>>> to them by Terán and other pianists.
>>>
>>> Where do you get the "surely" for HVL's thinking--I assume you mean
>>> you're guessing.
>>
>> No, I am not guessing.
>
> Yes you are; you have no idea what clarity and elegance and expression
> imparted to this or any other piece that HVL heard. Unless that is a
> direct quote from HVL's auto-biography or from an interview, I think
> you're going a bit far in what HVL thought and heard in his life.

AG is a comporser, and you're not. That gives him an understanding
of this issue that you don't have. Regards, daveA

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