Festival d’Automne à Paris October 17, 2009
Billeke
is available to be listened to or downloaded?
The program was as follows:
Karlheinz Stockhausen
- Kreuzspiel
- Kontra-Punkte
- Fünf weitere Sternzeichen, création française
György Ligeti
- Concerto de chambre
- Aventures et Nouvelles Aventures
Claron McFadden, soprano
Hilary Summers, contralto
Georg Nigl, baryton
Ensemble intercontemporain
Pierre Boulez, direction
In http://www.festival-automne.com/fr/programme.php?programme_id=280
says that the concert was recorded by France Musique Radio, but on
http://www.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/accueil/ not have found it.
I hope your help, friends.
Jerry Kohl
> Does anyone know if the concert given by Pierre Boulez on 17 October
> is available to be listened to or downloaded?
> The program was as follows:
>
> Karlheinz Stockhausen
> - Kreuzspiel
> - Kontra-Punkte
> - Fünf weitere Sternzeichen, création française
>
> György Ligeti
> - Concerto de chambre
> - Aventures et Nouvelles Aventures
>
> Claron McFadden, soprano
> Hilary Summers, contralto
> Georg Nigl, baryton
> Ensemble intercontemporain
> Pierre Boulez, direction
>
> says that the concert was recorded by France Musique Radio, but onhttp://www.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/accueil/not have found it.
> I hope your help, friends.
That's odd. I looked at the France Musique Radio site, and there it
was:
<http://sites.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/em/concert-soir/
emission.php?e_id=80000056&d_id=395000523>
or
<http://tinyurl.com/yjvwtkw>
Perhaps because your post was made prior to the broadcast date (today,
Monday 26 October)? In any case, it says: " cette émission est
disponible en écoute à la carte pendant 7 jours après sa diffusion à
l'antenne", so you have a week in which to listen.
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
"Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal."
Joaquim Hock
> Does anyone know if the concert given by Pierre Boulez on 17 October
> is available to be listened to or downloaded?
> The program was as follows:
>
> Karlheinz Stockhausen
> - Kreuzspiel
> - Kontra-Punkte
> - Fünf weitere Sternzeichen, création française
>
> György Ligeti
> - Concerto de chambre
> - Aventures et Nouvelles Aventures
>
> Claron McFadden, soprano
> Hilary Summers, contralto
> Georg Nigl, baryton
> Ensemble intercontemporain
> Pierre Boulez, direction
>
> says that the concert was recorded by France Musique Radio, but onhttp://www.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/accueil/not have found it.
> I hope your help, friends.
It was a fantastic concert. there was also an extract of a
Joaquim Hock
> is available to be listened to or downloaded?
> The program was as follows:
>
> Karlheinz Stockhausen
> - Kreuzspiel
> - Kontra-Punkte
> - Fünf weitere Sternzeichen, création française
>
> György Ligeti
> - Concerto de chambre
> - Aventures et Nouvelles Aventures
>
> Claron McFadden, soprano
> Hilary Summers, contralto
> Georg Nigl, baryton
> Ensemble intercontemporain
> Pierre Boulez, direction
>
> says that the concert was recorded by France Musique Radio, but onhttp://www.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/accueil/not have found it.
> I hope your help, friends.
It was a fantastic concert. There was also an extract of a long
interview with Stockhausen from 1997 (in French). You can download it
with Real with a simple right click.
Joaquim
Jerry Kohl
> On 24 oct, 07:14, Billeke <franciscobill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Does anyone know if the concert given by Pierre Boulez on 17 October
> > is available to be listened to or downloaded?
> > The program was as follows:
>
> > Karlheinz Stockhausen
> > - Kreuzspiel
> > - Kontra-Punkte
> > - Fünf weitere Sternzeichen, création française
>
> > György Ligeti
> > - Concerto de chambre
> > - Aventures et Nouvelles Aventures
>
> > Claron McFadden, soprano
> > Hilary Summers, contralto
> > Georg Nigl, baryton
> > Ensemble intercontemporain
> > Pierre Boulez, direction
>
> > Inhttp://www.festival-automne.com/fr/programme.php?programme_id=280
> > I hope your help, friends.
>
> It was a fantastic concert. There was also an extract of a long
> interview with Stockhausen from 1997 (in French). You can download it
> with Real with a simple right click.
With a simple right click *where*, exactly, Joaquim? (I suspect this
is probably the same interview that was broken up into bits and
scattered through the three-part memorial broadcast under the Greniers
de la mémoire umbrella series last year.)
Having listened to the broadcast (except for the Aventures/Nouvelles
aventures), I must say I cannot unreservedly share your enthusiasm.
Ligeti's Chamber Concerto was wonderful, with plenty of zing and a
nicely fused ensemble sound in those wonderful "statistical" passages.
Kontra-Punkte was not at all bad, either, though the players
occasionally seemed a little too at ease (that prominent bassoon solo
halfway through, for example, ought to be followed up with a little
more "scurry", in my opinion). Kreuzspiel, though, seemed dogged and
very limp toward the end (and, as usual, the tom-toms were too loud,
though not as bad as some performances I have heard--I suspect they
didn't use the amplification prescribed in the score for the non-tom-
toms instruments).
The Fünf weitere Sternzeichen are too recent for many listeners to be
familiar with yet, but I was listening with the score open in front of
me, and I have heard two earlier performances, both conducted by
Oliver Knussen. By comparison, Boulez sounds like a tired old man. His
tempos were sluggish, in some cases only half the indicated speed
(Pisces was the only exception: right on the metronome marking all the
way through), and the timed pauses between movements were mostly much
shorter than specified--as if Boulez were vainly trying to make up for
losing so much time in the preceding movement. Admittedly, there is
some room for doubt about tempo in those passages where the
instruments play independently of one another. For example, the cellos
at the very beginning of Aquarius, but I judge them to have been
around MM=25 instead of the prescribed 42.5, and the effect was
lugubrious compared to Knussen's performances. Apart from Pisces, the
movement with the most steady tempo throughout is Aries, which should
go at a brisk, march-like MM=120. Boulez never got above 92, at times
dragging down to 88. And where did all that gooey rubato come from in
Gemini? I thought Boulez was supposed to be all ice and intellect!
No, I would say this concert was a mixed success.
--
Jerry Kohl
Joaquim Hock
on the right side of your screen, and thenn right click on the play
button and choose "download with Real Player".
I'm not so familiar with the recent Stockhausen piece (I thought
Boulez was very critical concerning KHS' works since the 70' by the
way...) but the Ligeti's works were really wonderful for me.
Especially the Aventures and Nouvelles Aventures.
Jerry Kohl
> To save it, click on "emission du lundi 26 octobre", a windows opens
> on the right side of your screen, and thenn right click on the play
> button and choose "download with Real Player".
Well, apart from the fact that the window opens on the left rather
than the right of the screen, "right clicking" (which means "Control-
click" for Mac users like myself) on the Play button yields two
choices on the pull-down menu: "Payer TV-Radio.com" and "About Adobe
Flash Player 10".
> I'm not so familiar with the recent Stockhausen piece (I thought
> Boulez was very critical concerning KHS' works since the 70' by the
> way...) but the Ligeti's works were really wonderful for me.
> Especially the Aventures and Nouvelles Aventures.
I hope to be able to get to the last part of the programme, then. I
simply ran out of time yesterday.
You are right that Boulez has been very critical of Stockhausen's
music post-1970--in many cases without actually having heard it (by
his own admission)! And of course the Fünf weitere Sternzeichen is a
*very* recent piece. Stockhausen finished it just the night before he
died, and this was only the third performance, so far as I am aware.
It is remarkably different from the first Five Star-signs though,
curiously, the first set was transposed up a fourth, whereas the
Further Star-signs are at the original pitch. Consequently, the five
central pitches are exactly the same in both cases.
Joaquim Hock
> On Oct 27, 11:24 am, Joaquim Hock <joaquimh...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > To save it, click on "emission du lundi 26 octobre", a windows opens
> > on the right side of your screen, and thenn right click on the play
> > button and choose "download with Real Player".
>
> Well, apart from the fact that the window opens on the left rather
> than the right of the screen, "right clicking" (which means "Control-
> click" for Mac users like myself) on the Play button yields two
> choices on the pull-down menu: "Payer TV-Radio.com" and "About Adobe
> Flash Player 10".
>
If you are a Mac user I cannot help you... but I have saved this
concert without ay difficulty with Real Player on my poor old PC.
Jerry Kohl
Well, I was not looking for the broadcast of the concert, but for the
(separate?) interview excerpts. Are you saying that the interview was
part of the concert broadcast? (Remember that I have not yet heard
past the beginning of Aventures/Nouvelles aventures.) In any case, Mac
vs PC should not make any difference, apart from the equivalent
commands "right-click" (PC, two-button mouse) and "control-
click" (Mac, one-button mouse).
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
Nigel Curtis
>By comparison [with Knussen] Boulez sounds like a tired old man<
It's a shame how much this seems to be the case these days with old
Boulez. His Janacek performances in London last year had no energy at
all. It was an embarrassment.
nc
Mark Stratford
<< Boulez has been very critical of Stockhausen's music post-1970 >>
Boulez has of course performed Gruppen, Mixtur, K-P, Z-M and
Kreuzspiel many times. And, yes, been quite dismissive of Licht.
But what about works such as Momente? I’ve never come across Boulez
mentioning this piece. Do you think it would ever have held much
interest for him ? Or had the two composers diverged too far by then ?
mark
Jerry Kohl
wrote:
Well, Boulez conducted Mixtur in Paris around 1972 (there is a letter
to him from Stockhausen, in which he says he is sending tapes of both
versions--the large and small orchestra ones--for Boulez's reference).
Of course, whether Mixtur is to be regarded as post- or pre-Momente
depends on whether you are talking of the early versions of Momente
from 1962 and 1964, or the complete version of 1969.
--
Jerry Kohl
Jerry Kohl
Curiously, though, the performance of Ligeti's Double Concerto on the
same concert as the Fünf weiter Sternzeichen had, as I said, "plenty
of zing".
--
Jerry Kohl
Billeke
software to download streaming music and videos.
Here it is:
http://rapidshare.com/files/299788959/concert-soir_20091026-128k.mp3
I find another recording of this concert in a blog, without the
interview and separated by works. Although the files are FLAC, I guess
that does not change much the audio quality, because the broadcast of
France Musique Radio is MP3 @ 128 kbps. Anyway, I leave the links:
http://boomboomsky.blogspot.com/2009/10/boulez-ens-intercontemporain-x2009.html
Greetings from Osorno.
belinsky
ben
On 31 Oct, 16:38, Billeke <franciscobill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I downloaded the MP3 @ 128 kbps with OrbitDownloader, an excellent
> software to download streaming music and videos.
> Here it is:
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/299788959/concert-soir_20091026-128k.mp3
>
> I find another recording of this concert in a blog, without the
> interview and separated by works. Although the files are FLAC, I guess
> that does not change much the audio quality, because the broadcast of
> France Musique Radio is MP3 @ 128 kbps. Anyway, I leave the links:
>
> http://boomboomsky.blogspot.com/2009/10/boulez-ens-intercontemporain-...
Jerry Kohl
> Thanks for that. Brilliant!
Second that. Excellent work, Francisco. Saves me a lot of trouble
editing soundfiles. Does anyone else find that the separated
Kreuzspiel file has an error in it?
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
Billeke
Here you have two interesting PDF documents (in French) about this
concert, taken from
http://tinyurl.com/yhby7yu
Concert Program
http://tinyurl.com/yjrwg6v
Press Dossier
http://tinyurl.com/ygkpx7v
If anyone has pictures of the concert, please share them.
Mark Stratford
Hi Billeke, many thanks for taking the trouble to do this !
Afraid I still find it hard getting my head around Kreuzspiel, but
this concert was a real treat to hear.
Mark Stratford, London
Boom
broadcast, with vastly better quality than most low bitrait mp3
streamings. To preserve the original sound quality, the broadcast was
captured directly on hard-drive (in WAV) and converted to a lossless
compression format FLAC.
Boom.
On Oct 31, 11:38 am, Billeke <franciscobill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I downloaded the MP3 @ 128 kbps with OrbitDownloader, an excellent
> software to download streaming music and videos.
> Here it is:
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/299788959/concert-soir_20091026-128k.mp3
>
> I find another recording of this concert in a blog, without the
> interview and separated by works. Although the files are FLAC, I guess
> that does not change much the audio quality, because the broadcast of
> France Musique Radio is MP3 @ 128 kbps. Anyway, I leave the links:
>
> http://boomboomsky.blogspot.com/2009/10/boulez-ens-intercontemporain-...
Jerry Kohl
> The recording on my blog, as far I as know, was from analog FM
> broadcast, with vastly better quality than most low bitrait mp3
> streamings. To preserve the original sound quality, the broadcast was
> captured directly on hard-drive (in WAV) and converted to a lossless
> compression format FLAC.
>
> Boom.
Thanks for the details, Boom, and for going to the trouble of posting
such a nicely edited set of sound-files. I've not had the opportunity
to compare your files with Francisco's MP3s, so I cannot comment on
the comparative quality.
No one else has responded to my question about the Kreuzspiel file, so
I guess I was the only one who experienced a download glitch that
fatally corrupted it. I deleted the first copy, and then downloaded it
again, but with no better result. All the rest seem trouble-free.
Boom
> On Nov 5, 3:42 am, Boom <boomboom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The recording on my blog, as far I as know, was from analog FM
> > broadcast, with vastly better quality than most low bitrait mp3
> > streamings. To preserve the original sound quality, the broadcast was
> > captured directly on hard-drive (in WAV) and converted to a lossless
> > compression format FLAC.
>
> > Boom.
Mediafire recently "upgraded" their servers (new interface, etc.) and
there may well be 'bugs' associated with such 'endeavors'. I had no
complaints about Kreuzspiel from anyone else (close to 20 DL), so I
must presume - at this point at least - that your problem is
temporary. I hope that in a day or two you'll be able to DL this file
without any problems.
Jerry Kohl
> On Nov 5, 1:33 pm, Jerry Kohl <jeromek...@comcast.net> wrote:> On Nov 5, 3:42 am, Boom <boomboom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The recording on my blog, as far I as know, was from analog FM
> > > broadcast, with vastly better quality than most low bitrait mp3
> > > streamings. To preserve the original sound quality, the broadcast was
> > > captured directly on hard-drive (in WAV) and converted to a lossless
> > > compression format FLAC.
>
> > > Boom.
>
> Jerry,
>
> Mediafire recently "upgraded" their servers (new interface, etc.) and
> there may well be 'bugs' associated with such 'endeavors'. I had no
> complaints about Kreuzspiel from anyone else (close to 20 DL), so I
> must presume - at this point at least - that your problem is
> temporary. I hope that in a day or two you'll be able to DL this file
> without any problems.
Thanks for your efforts, Boom. It downloaded without any technical
problems today. You must have added some extra silence at the end,
since the file is 10:44 and there is no audible applause, whereas in
the broadcast the applause set in at 10:16 after the beginning note of
Kreuzspiel.
I was also able to get the earlier, glitched file to play, but it is
truncated at 6:21, and so is missing all but the first note of the
third section. It seems like an odd coincidence for it to terminate at
just this point.
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
leroy
concert - I have only heard one other perf of Kreuzspiel, and I liked
this one much better - jimj
david...@aol.com
> I thought Boulez was supposed to be all ice and intellect!
Nobody ever believed that except reviewers who hate "modern" music.
-david gable