Doug Pinnick in Petra?
Bjarni Fridberg
>>"Bassist/vocalist Doug Pinnick and drummer Jerry Gaskill met while
both were members of the Christian rock band Petra,"
and now I am wondering WHEN has Doug been a member of Petra ???
>Although King's X got much of its radio and MTV play among
>a host of simple pop-metal bands, its music was a great deal
>more complex and distinctive. King's X blended intricate,
>Beatlesque vocal harmonies with hard rock riffs, complicated
>song structures, and lyrical metaphors often concerning
>Christian spirituality (but never overtly) to win an audience of
>both metal and progressive rock fans, plus considerable critical
>acclaim. Bassist/vocalist Doug Pinnick and drummer Jerry
>Gaskill met while both were members of the Christian rock band Petra,
while guitarist Ty >Tabor met Gaskill at Evangel College in Springfield,
Illinois after having played bluegrass >in his family band. The three
formed a band called the Edge in 1980, initially specializing >in Top 40
covers, and toured for five years. The group moved to Houston in 1985
and >met Z.Z. Top video producer Sam Taylor, who took them under his
wing and suggested >the name King's X, after a local band he was fond of
in high school. After several years >of trying, King's X finally scored
a deal with the independent Megaforce label and >released their debut
album, Out of the Silent Planet, in 1988. The track "Over My >Head,"
from Gretchen Goes to Nebraska, received a moderate amount of airplay,
and >the band found widespread favor with critics and fellow musicians.
Faith Hope Love by >King's X was their first album to reach the Top 100,
due in part to the single "It's Love," >and its success led to a
major-label deal with Atlantic. Their debut there, 1992's King's >X,
fizzled, but the band rebounded in 1994 with Dogman, also playing at the
Woodstock '>94 festival. Tape Head followed in 1998. -- Steve Huey,
All-Music Guide
Jeff Holland
: I just read a Biography on www.allmusic.com about King's X it says:
: >>"Bassist/vocalist Doug Pinnick and drummer Jerry Gaskill met while
: both were members of the Christian rock band Petra,"
: and now I am wondering WHEN has Doug been a member of Petra ???
As far as I know, this is not true. Unless they toured with
Petra in the 70's (which I've never heard before), neiher Jerry nor Doug have
never been with Petra.
However, Doug Pinnick and either Jerry Gaskill or Ty Tabor (don't
remember which) *did* play in Phil Keaggy's touring band sometime in the 80's.
Jeff
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Bill Hammell
Jeff Holland wrote:
> As far as I know, this is not true. Unless they toured with
>Petra in the 70's (which I've never heard before), neiher Jerry nor Doug
have
>never been with Petra.
>
> However, Doug Pinnick and either Jerry Gaskill or Ty Tabor (don't
>remember which) *did* play in Phil Keaggy's touring band sometime in the
80's.
>
> Jeff
Doug Pinnick and Jerry Gaskill were in a "no album" version of Petra in 1979
right before Greg X. Volz became lead singer. The version they were in broke
up and reformed w/ Greg. I don't believe this Pinnick vocal led Petra ever
toured either.
Bill
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: However, Doug Pinnick and either Jerry Gaskill or Ty Tabor (don't
: remember which) *did* play in Phil Keaggy's touring band sometime in the
: 80's.
One of them also shows up in the liner notes to an old Servant album in my
possession; I forget which of them, though.
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Matt Jansen
*smirk*
Matt
Bjarni Fridberg
guess you are also gay????
ex...@my-dejanews.com
The members of Petra are a pretty friendly people ;)
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Bruce A. Brown
>
> Jeff Holland wrote:
> > However, Doug Pinnick and either Jerry Gaskill or Ty Tabor (don't
> >remember which) *did* play in Phil Keaggy's touring band sometime in the
> 80's.
> >
> >
> right before Greg X. Volz became lead singer. The version they were in broke
> up and reformed w/ Greg. I don't believe this Pinnick vocal led Petra ever
> toured either.
IIRC, this line-up was never referred to as "Petra." Gaskill, Pinnick and
Volz were all in Keaggy's "Phil'ip Side" touring band in 1980, and Volz was
featured vocalist on some tunes. But I don't remember the entity being called
by the "P" name.
Bruce
Chris White
Peter Thomas Chattaway wrote:
Jeff Holland wrote:
: However, Doug Pinnick and either Jerry Gaskill or Ty Tabor (don't
: remember which) *did* play in Phil Keaggy's touring band sometime in the
: 80's.
One of them also shows up in the liner notes to an old Servant album in my
possession; I forget which of them, though.
That would be SHALLOW WATER.
Also see my question below about Michael Been of The Call.
Chris White
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: > One of them also shows up in the liner notes to an old Servant album
: > in my possession; I forget which of them, though.
:
: That would be SHALLOW WATER.
I meant which of the guys.
Dan Temmesfeld
>
> I just read a Biography on www.allmusic.com about King's X it says:
> >>"Bassist/vocalist Doug Pinnick and drummer Jerry Gaskill met while
> both were members of the Christian rock band Petra,"
> and now I am wondering WHEN has Doug been a member of Petra ???
he was in Petra before "Back to the Streets," but never recorded for them. he
toured with them for a "stint"- at best.
Dan
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Dan Temmesfeld
>
> As far as I know, this is not true. Unless they toured with
> Petra in the 70's (which I've never heard before), neiher Jerry nor Doug have
> never been with Petra.
i think it is true that he played for Petra, but possibly not true that's where
he met Jerry.
i've read the Petra thing in several places, and from what i know, it was a
short stint, and no recording. jerry and doug played for phil keaggy, where
they met up with Ty (who was in an opening band for them once). they had heard
Ty play earlier, but i think this was the first time that they really met.
all three also played in Morgan Cryar's back-up band in the mid-80s, IIRC. and
another odd note, Monty Colvin (of the Galactic Cowboys) also played in Morgan's
band in the late-80s. weird coincidence... perhaps.
Dan Temmesfeld
>
> Doug Pinnick and Jerry Gaskill were in a "no album" version of Petra in 1979
> right before Greg X. Volz became lead singer. The version they were in broke
> up and reformed w/ Greg. I don't believe this Pinnick vocal led Petra ever
> toured either.
hmmm... never heard i that way, but regardless, i think the info that doug was
in Petra is correct.
Dan Temmesfeld
>
> Wow, so are you saying Petra's gay?!?
Petra *is* gay, but for other reasons... :P
Dan Temmesfeld
>
> >he was in Petra before "Back to the Streets," but never recorded for them.
> >he toured with them for a "stint"- at best.
>
> singer and Jerry Gaskill replaced Louie Weaver temporarily, then Louie came
> back and Schlitt replaced Pinnick?? I don't remember anything like that
> happening.
i NEVER said that jerry replaced louie, NOR did i say that doug sang lead vox.
all i said was that i had heard that Doug was in the band before "back to the
streets," but never recorded for them. and i'm not even sure of that, 'tis
just something i heard several times.
don't put words in my mouth.
Neiby
>> >>"Bassist/vocalist Doug Pinnick and drummer Jerry Gaskill met while
>> both were members of the Christian rock band Petra,"
>> and now I am wondering WHEN has Doug been a member of Petra ???
>
>he
>toured with them for a "stint"- at best.
>
Neiby
>streets," but never recorded for them. and i'm not even sure of that, 'tis
>just something i heard several times.
>
>don't put words in my mouth.
>
Geez, dan, calm down. :) The point you were responding to said that Doug and
Jerry were both in the band. My assumption was that if Jerry was in the band
with Doug, then Louie wouldn't have been in the band since they're both
drummers. And since you said that Doug was in the band after Greg left, then
that would have meant that Louie took a short break for whatever reason, which
could have happened.
who knows, it might have been a temporary shift in personal in the uncertain
times after greg left.
I apologize for "putting words in your mouth." I was simply following this
thread to it's barely logical conclusion. :-) I'd really love to know what
Doug's role really was, that would be an interesting tidbit of trivia.
xc...@execpc.com
> [snip] I'd really love to know what
> Doug's role really was, that would be an interesting tidbit of trivia.
The King's X FAQ, though not yet completed, is at
http://home.earthlink.net/~locknar/kx.htm. If I recall correctly,
everything contained in the FAQ, though written by a fan, was checked
over for accuracy by Ty Tabor himself (King's X guitarist). The Petra
issue is touched upon in a couple of places, and I'll take the liberty
of quoting below the entire relevant section of the FAQ:
2. How did KX get its start?
Doug sang in bands through high school. He didn't actually learn to
play
bass until he was 22, when he began teaching himself. He left Illinois
and
moved to Florida, where he ended up in a Christian community at which he
handed out pamphlets and staged sparsely-attended religious pop
concerts.
Bored and frustrated, he returned home to Joliet. There he started an
evangelical art-rock band that had a large local following. From the
following, Doug founded the Shiloh Fellowship, his own church. The
church
grew, but Doug soon felt confined and decided to move on.
In 1979, Doug was asked to relocate to Springfield, Missouri and join a
band that was forming. He accepted the offer and moved to Springfield,
full of ambition...
Jerry was raised in New Jersey and learned drums at an early age. He
had
no formal training in drums at all. He left New Jersey to attend
Evangel
College, a Christian university in Springfield, Missouri. "I started
off
there with the idea of going to school, but in the back of my mind I
knew I
was going to meet musicians." His conviction proved true, as he soon
joined a re-formed version of the seminal Christian rock band Petra.
His
hopes high, Jerry dropped out of school to drum full-time.
Petra invited a bassist from Illinois named Doug Pinnick to join.
However,
the reformed group broke up a month after Doug arrived, leaving Jerry
and
Doug without a band...
Ty started playing guitar at a very young age in Mississippi, where he
grew up. "I have tapes of me playing a tobacco-sunburst Stella and
singing
songs in third or fourth grade." With his father and brother, Ty formed
a
bluegrass band with another family, playing festivals around Mississippi
with respected musicians like Lester Flatt and Grandpa Jones. "That's
how
I learned most of my blues feel, from bluegrass." (GP91)
Playing in garage bands through high school, Ty found some success in
Matthew, a Christian rock band popular in the region. The day after he
graduated from high school, he went touring with Matthew, living in the
back of a truck. The band travelled all over the South, playing
Christian
rock festivals. "On off days we'd pull up into a McDonald's and say,
'We'll set up in the parking lot, draw a crowd, take a break, and have
them
all go in and eat--if you'll feed us.' They never turned us down."
(GP91)
Ty left Matthew and the road to move to Springfield, Missouri, where he
attended Evangel College. At the school he befriended a like-minded
class-
mate named Jerry Gaskill, who was drumming in local bands. Ty soon got
involved in the local music scene himself. Like Jerry, Ty dropped out
of
Evangel to pursue musical interests in Springfield fulltime.
It was 1980. Jerry and Doug, along with future Petra vocalist Greg X.
Volz, were backing Christian-rock guitar icon Phil Keaggy on his
"Phil'ip
Side" tour. With Ty and another guitarist, Jerry and Doug decided to
venture out on their own. They formed a band called The Edge. The
second
guitarist left after one gig and was replaced by Dan McCollom. The band
trekked throughout the country, doing original songs and playing for
peanuts--but doing what they wanted to do.
Their manager at the time pushed them to perform cover songs in an
effort
to get more gigs and make more money. The band covered classic rock and
later, contemporary pop hits. They soon felt the agony of their own
restraint. "We realized that this wouldn't take us where we really
wanted
to be," says Jerry. (MD91)
Ty: "At this point, we were pretty miserable, trying to please everybody
but ourselves. I thought, 'Man, I'm just going to write what I feel.
It's
not going to be commercial, probably nobody else will be able to stand
it,
but I've got to do it. I'm going nuts. I started working with a
4-track.
"I wrote a tune called "Pleiades" with a friend [Dale Richardson]. It
was
so different than anything I'd written before. Totally off-the-wall,
real
heavy, like Black Sabbath. I was afraid to play it for the guys.
Event-
ually I played it for Doug, and he absolutely flipped out. I never
expect-
ed him to react like that. Jerry loved it, too. We thought, 'Why not
write like this? This is what we ought to do.'" (GP91)
Doug also felt they could move on artistically when he heard a record by
the Irish band U2. The artistry and energy of the band inspired Doug to
reach for similar heights. "U2 changed my mind about a lot of things
and
encouraged me. Because if they could do it, we could do it." (GP91)
By 1985, the group had dropped McCollom and changed their name to Sneak
Preview. In the summer of '86, they moved to Texas. "Originally, Star
Song [a Christian rock label] brought us to Houston," according to Doug.
(VoG94) They went nowhere with Star Song, but the band did meet Sam
Taylor, a former ZZ Top associate who ended up working with them.
Taylor
soon became their manager, and encouraged the guys to be true to their
musical vision.
Everything was coming together at last. Taylor's support was especially
important. Jerry: "Sam came along and said, 'You guys need to just go
inside yourselves and play what's in there. Be real, be honest...'
That
was a revelation to us; it opened up the floodgates. That's when King's
X
was born." (HRS91)
The band was soon shopping for a label. They brought demos of their
songs
to Megaforce, an independent division of Atlantic Records. Megaforce
soon
signed them, and with Sam at the production helm, they began work on
their
first album. Upon its release, 'Out of the Silent Planet' made critics
take notice of this little band from Texas.
The rest, as they say, is history.
[End of quote]
Brian the Minnesotan
> The members of Petra are a pretty friendly people ;)
>
With nice hairpieces
Brian the Minnesotan (who has WAY too much work to do)
Chris White
Peter Thomas Chattaway wrote:
> Chris White (cwh...@jpusa.chi.il.us) wrote:
> : > One of them also shows up in the liner notes to an old Servant album
> : > in my possession; I forget which of them, though.
> :
> : That would be SHALLOW WATER.
>
> I meant which of the guys.
>
Sorry--that's Doug Pinnick.
Matt Jansen
>guess you are also gay????
isn't everyone?
matt
Michael A. Vickers
>ex...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>The members of Petra are a pretty friendly people ;)
>With nice hairpieces
i always thought it was amazing that god miraculously exorcised bob hartman
of the demon of baldness between _not of this world_ and _beat the system_.
michael
'listen to me very closely - there is more heaven than hell.' - KX
--[michael a. vickers]-------------------[mavi...@kings-x.com]--
TheBigFish
perhaps a little, I'm an Evangel College (now University, in Springfield,
MO) alumni. I'm not a huge KX fan, though I enjoy their music, I'm just not
too informed. However, this might add a little light.
I did an interview for an Assemblies of God magazine with Stephen Yake, of
Stephen Yake productions. He's also an Evangel alumni, and he now does a
ton of videos--Carman, Ray Boltz, other poppy stuff. I never put this stuff
in the interview, but found it quite interesting, as you may.
Evangel sponsored a radio show on the top rock station in town (KICK) in the
late 70s/early 80s. It was two hours (I believe) where they played the
current Xstian stuff. The student leader of the show was required to raise
the money for airtime. In about 1980 (I don't have my interview transcript
readily available) Stephen Yake became the student leader. Instead of bake
sales/etc., he thought he'd do a car wash--with a band playing in the
parking lot.
Two miles north of Evangel is the (now dying) North Town Mall. They got
clearance for the above fundraiser, and a crew came to wash cars. Stephen
put a band together including his suitemate, Ty Tabor, another EC friend,
Jerry Glaskill and a local vocalist, Greg X. Volz. I can't remember what
instrument Stephen played. They played in the NTMall parking lot and a ton
of cars lined up to hear the band and get a clean car. They raised a
semester's budget that day.
It's been about 4 years since my interview, but if I remember correctly (if
I am wrong--get mad at me and not at Steve Yake--I'm going from memory) this
was the first time that Ty and Jerry played in an organized fashion.
A few years ago, it was weird as I drove by a local Mexican restaurant. The
marquee read, King's X. I wondered what was going on, but I later heard
they showed up in town and called the restaurant about doing a gig--spur of
the moment. They were in the building as I drove by. Ugh!
Hope this has been of interest to some of you!
Matt
TheBigFish
I saw Morgan at Silver Dollar City's "Young Christian's Weekend" during the
height of Pray in the USA. It was the spring of '86 or '87 (?). If I
remember correctly, the drummer had HUGE blonde hair. Also, one of the
guitar players was dressed in a Boy Scout uniform and was a freak. He had
"The Cure" hair.
I'm particularly interested in the huge blonde hair drummer--he had played
in local band (Spfd. MO) at my youth group a few months earlier. I don't
remember that bands name, and I really remember hanging out with him more
than I remember them playing. I'm just wondering if one of the pre-KX bands
was the one that played for us.
If you can help....cool!
Matt
Dan Temmesfeld wrote in message <36B79ED9...@erinet.com>...
Bjarni Fridberg
Petra and The King's X guys, and this is what he said, (re-posted with Bob's
permission)
Here is the straight story on that. They were never officially in
Petra but there was a time right after Greg Volz joined when we were
looking for guys. Greg had those guys in Springfield, MO and I had some
guys in Nashville. We decided to go with Nashville. Later, before they
were King's X, they were a backup band for a Christian guy named Morgan
Cryer and they toured with Petra so I got to know them better. That's it!
Blessings,
Bob