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Thomas Edward Briggs

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Apr 26, 1993, 8:41:26 PM4/26/93
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I have heard it variously ascribed to Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, and possibly
other guitarists. Basically, when asked what it's like to be the greatest
guitarst in the world (or maybe just country). The reply was supposed to have
been "Go ask Phil Keaggy." I would be interested in knowing whether this
quote actually was said (and hopefully where to find it), or to know what other
parts of this story are circulating. Thanks for any help you might have!

Tom Briggs

John Streck

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Apr 27, 1993, 3:03:54 AM4/27/93
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>Tom Briggs

I started chasing this down about a year ago. After some reading and
posting on alt.guitar and others I have found about 6 different versions
of this story, where both the person being asked and the person who the
question is told to "go ask" changes. Eric and Jimi usually figure in
there somewhere, but the other roles change (they guy from ZZ Top is
sometimes placed in the Phil Keaggy position in your paragraph above.)

However, in spite of a lot of good stories, no one was able to come up
with concrete evidence for any exchange of this type involving ANY
guitarist, much less Phil Keaggy. The best I got was "I think it was in
Guitar Player..." or "I think it was on Carson..." My opinion: the whole
thing is urban legend--it never happened. (However, I'd love to have
someone prove me wrong. Anyone?)

john streck
jmst...@u.washington.edu

Noel Estabrook

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Apr 27, 1993, 7:29:16 AM4/27/93
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teb5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas Edward Briggs) writes:

I have a friend who said that he saw the said exchange on The Tonight Show
with Johnny Carson back in the '70's. Apparently Johnny had Jimi Hendrix
on the show and when asked what it felt like to be the best guitarist, Jimi
made the now-famous reply.

Don't know, but my friend said he saw it.

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Claude W. Anderson

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Apr 27, 1993, 10:17:04 AM4/27/93
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In a Keaggy concert I attended about 4 years ago, he had an audience
question-and-answer time. Someone asked him about this famous
bit of legend, and if my memory is correct, Phil had not seen any
evidence that the famous quote really happened. He thought it was a legend.

Here is something to consider: Jimi Hendrix died in late 1970 or very early
1971, which was (as far as I know) a few months before the first Glass Harp
album was released. What are the chances that Hendrix even got a chance to
hear Phil play? And if he did, could it have been very many times?

When I went to college (at Caltech) in the Fall of 1971, I tried very hard
to find another person who had even heard of Phil Keaggy or Glass Harp
before they met me. In the next several years I talked with dozens of
people who were really into music (a couple of them were even from northern
Ohio, so they should have had extra opportunities to hear of them). I
struck out! So Keaggy was not exactly well-known. Did Hendrix know of him?
We can only speculate. But I'd say that the chances are slim.

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Apr 27, 1993, 5:35:30 PM4/27/93
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In article <nestabro.735910156@nova>, nest...@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
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> I have a friend who said that he saw the said exchange on The Tonight Show
> with Johnny Carson back in the '70's. Apparently Johnny had Jimi Hendrix
> on the show and when asked what it felt like to be the best guitarist, Jimi
> made the now-famous reply.
>
> Don't know, but my friend said he saw it.
>
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> nest...@nova.gmi.edu | it contradicts itself, but because it
> Instructional Design | contradicts them -- II Timothy 3:16
> It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.

I doubt it was Jimi, unless he was speaking from the great beyond........
in which case his opinion would really be important! Jimi Hendrix died in
1970, September I think.

If the ever-elusive quote really happened, I would say it would be during
Keaggy's Glass Harp days, as his guitar ability was attracting alot of
attention--at least among musicians.
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Brent Lane White

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Apr 27, 1993, 5:47:58 PM4/27/93
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Claude Anderson wrote:

> Here is something to consider: Jimi Hendrix died in late 1970 or very early
> 1971, which was (as far as I know) a few months before the first Glass Harp
> album was released. What are the chances that Hendrix even got a chance to
> hear Phil play? And if he did, could it have been very many times?

Good point. Speaking of Hendrix, remember that wonderfully seductive myth
about the guitar duel between him and Keaggy, the loser of which had to
sacrifice a digit of one of his fingers? How do these things get started?!

> So Keaggy was not exactly well-known. Did Hendrix know of him?

I doubt it. Besides, Hendrix was really out of it by then, given his various
chemical dependencies.

I used to entertain these "guitar hero" questions in high school: Who
really is the best rock guitarist of all time? (A few years ago the
critics at Spin magazine gave that distinction to Richard Thompson
(Linda's ex). From what I've heard, they might be right.)

Who are the really great (or at least good) guitarists in Contemporary
Christian, besides Keaggy?


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ALAN T WILLCOX

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Apr 28, 1993, 10:32:03 AM4/28/93
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> I used to entertain these "guitar hero" questions in high school: Who
> really is the best rock guitarist of all time? (A few years ago the
> critics at Spin magazine gave that distinction to Richard Thompson
> (Linda's ex). From what I've heard, they might be right.)
>
> Who are the really great (or at least good) guitarists in Contemporary
> Christian, besides Keaggy?

How about the best Christian guitarists in music, rather than those who
hang out in the Christian 'ghetto'.

>
> Brent White > Georgia Institute of Technology > gt6...@prism.gatech.edu

I think that, especially as a live performer, Mike Roe of the 77's is
most definitely in the running. As far as Xtians generally, I would
also mention Brooks Williams (not a rock guitarist).

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Barabbas

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Apr 28, 1993, 11:25:12 AM4/28/93
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i have decided to add to the fray.
I heard the quote was phil keaggy was the *shortest* guitar
player in the world - nothing about being the best guitarist...
of course, i may just be adding to this urban legend, anyway :-P

cheers,
barabbas

Michael A. Heiser

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Apr 28, 1993, 12:23:59 PM4/28/93
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Rex Carroll, Larry Carlton, Jeff Scheetz, Lanny Cordola, Christopher
Parkening, Ty Tabor, Chris Rodriguez, Oz Fox, and Dann Huff.
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Mike

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Gregory Lincicome

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Apr 28, 1993, 12:38:52 PM4/28/93
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In article <95...@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6...@prism.gatech.EDU (Brent Lane White) writes:

>Who are the really great (or at least good) guitarists in Contemporary
>Christian, besides Keaggy?

I'd put Billy Crockett in there. You won't hear much about him, but listen
to him and make the call yourself. Plays mostly acoustic. Writes, arranges,
produces, mixes his own albums, and plays about half the instruments too.
Amazingly talented. Did I mention he plays guitar?

I've heard quite a few people say Scott Dente of Out of the Grey is
a master in concert, but it doesn't really show on the albums and I've never
seen him, so I wouldn't know about that one.

-greg

00san...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu

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Apr 28, 1993, 5:32:13 PM4/28/93
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In article <1993Apr28.1...@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
>hei...@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser) writes:
>
>
> Rex Carroll, Larry Carlton, Jeff Scheetz, Lanny Cordola, Christopher
> Parkening, Ty Tabor, Chris Rodriguez, Oz Fox, and Dann Huff.
> --


As much as I'm a fan of Dann huff, Ty Tabor, and Chris (mr. underrated)
Rodriguez, I would hasten to say that any of them are the virtuoso that
Christopher Parkening is. What a talent. I think he's probably the only one
as well known OUTSIDE CCM (as a performing guitarist) as Keaggy.

Now when it comes to being known in the studio scene and in CCM, then the
other guys are certainly in the running.

Now, if only Skunk Baxter would get saved...

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NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART

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Apr 28, 1993, 11:54:37 PM4/28/93
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In article <1993Apr28.163213.18810@bsu-ucs> 00san...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>Now when it comes to being known in the studio scene and in CCM, then the
>other guys are certainly in the running.

I don't know if John Goin professes to be a believer or not, but I really
like his playing a lot. He played on a lot of the older CCM records I have,
(when they still made CCM that I like). Hadley Hockensmith was probably most
influential in me picking up the guitar. A fine player, but much better when
someone else is holding the reigns (ie, I thought he was incredible on the
Kieth Green stuff, a really tasteful player.) A guess the 80's, Koinoneia,
and Mesa Boogie changed his sound a lot. Anyone know what he used on the
earlier KG sessions (especially on the tune "Make my life a prayer to you")
Post humous KG and later stuff, it's obvious he's a Boogie man, but I don't
know on the early stuff.

Also, the awesomest, most tasteful, smooth, subtle-yet-powerful-gut wrenching
emotive player I've EVER heard in my entire life is whoever played the ORIGINAL
"Too Small A Price" solo on "Got to Tell Somebody", NOT whoever hacked it on
the beginning of the first song of "The Traveler". (Don Francisco albums.)

Nathan

Scholar and Fool

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Apr 29, 1993, 6:29:00 AM4/29/93
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bara...@bach.udel.edu (Barabbas) writes...

the last time this question came up on r.m.c, I do believe that this was
(one of) the eventual result(s) reached. I thought someone had even gone
so far as to point out where it could be found. Or maybe I'm just confused.
something like...

"so, so-and-so, what does it feel like to be the best guitarist in the world?"

something "..ask Phil Keaggy what it feels like to be the shortest."

Or maybe it was all a fluke and I didn't notice the punchline...


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Apr 29, 1993, 10:18:12 AM4/29/93
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NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART writes:

> ... Hadley Hockensmith was probably most

> influential in me picking up the guitar. A fine player, but much better when
> someone else is holding the reigns (ie, I thought he was incredible on the
> Kieth Green stuff, a really tasteful player.)

Finally, I know who Green's guitarist is. I always thought he added a
distinctive and, yes, tasteful (to say the least) guitar sound to Green's
stuff. A good player, and for such an accidental genius as Keith
Green, much better than he should have been. (Of course, with a name like
Hadley Hockensmith, one had better be good at something.)

I still hate that in Melody's meandering, ingratiating liner notes for
"The Ministry Years" she fails to mention any of Green's session
musicians, especially one as important as Hockensmith (not to mention
Bob Dylan).


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Barabbas

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Apr 29, 1993, 11:15:43 AM4/29/93
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In article <95...@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6...@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE) writes:
[varied stuff deleted]
:) I still hate that in Melody's meandering, ingratiating liner notes for
:) "The Ministry Years" she fails to mention any of Green's session
:) musicians, especially one as important as Hockensmith (not to mention
:) Bob Dylan).

glad you brought it up.
what's up with dylan - he played with keith green?
also, maybe this is another thread, but can anyone document
dylan's Christian stage? i had heard that something
happened (c.f. urban legend) and he had accepted Christianity.
without debating any present fruit that either is, or isn't,
there, could anyone say if mr. dylan ever claimed to be a Christian?
i know that larry norman includes an occasional reference to him
on a couple songs, but i guess i'm not old enough, or i haven't
been around long enough.
can anyone shed any light on this? (c'mon terry, you scholar and fool!)

cheers,
barabbas

Michael A. Heiser

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Apr 29, 1993, 12:45:20 PM4/29/93
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>In article <1993Apr28.163213.18810@bsu-ucs>, 00san...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>From: 00san...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
>Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
>Subject: Re: Quote on Keaggy? (Best Guitarists opinion)
>Date: 28 Apr 93 21:32:13 GMT

>As much as I'm a fan of Dann huff, Ty Tabor, and Chris (mr. underrated)
>Rodriguez, I would hasten to say that any of them are the virtuoso that
>Christopher Parkening is. What a talent. I think he's probably the only one
>as well known OUTSIDE CCM (as a performing guitarist) as Keaggy.

Scott, Parkening may be more talented, but I think Larry Carlton is easily the
most famous.

WHITE,BRENT LANE

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Apr 29, 1993, 1:11:38 PM4/29/93
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I wrote:

> :) I still hate that in Melody's meandering, ingratiating liner notes for
> :) "The Ministry Years" she fails to mention any of Green's session
> :) musicians, especially one as important as Hockensmith (not to mention
> :) Bob Dylan).

barabbas wrote:

> glad you brought it up.
> what's up with dylan - he played with keith green?

He does the barbed-wire harmonica solo on "Pledge My Head to Heaven."

> also, maybe this is another thread, but can anyone document
> dylan's Christian stage? i had heard that something
> happened (c.f. urban legend) and he had accepted Christianity.

Here is a subject about which I am acutely sensitive. Let me give you
the basics: Dylan went through protracted divorce and custody proceedings
that ended in 1977. Evidence in his songs and from testimony indicates
that his wife left him. Anyway, if you've ever had the pleasure of being
deeply moved by the poignant "Blood on the Tracks," you know that Dylan
took the separation/divorce very hard.

Meanwhile, he began the Rolling Thunder Review tour in 1975, during
which he became friends with bandmates T-Bone Burnett and David Mansfield,
who were and are professing Christians. By some accounts, Burnett, especially,
planted the seeds for Dylan's later conversion. Biographers assume that
Dylan's emotional state at the time made him particularly receptive
(or vulnerable) to the gospel.

In 1978, Dylan first felt like Jesus had spoken to him, in some
sense, and in early '79 he attended a "Bible School" sponsored by
a fundamentalist Christian organization in Southern California called
the Vineyard Fellowship. (This was his first mistake.)

Many people, myself included feel that Vineyard used Dylan's conversion
as a P.R. coup d'etat for their organization and agenda. Regardless, full
of conviction, zeal, and little common sense (much less the kind of
spiritual maturity required), Dylan recorded "Slow Train Coming," which
documented not so much Dylan's personal witness to the life-changing
power of Christ as the particularly headstrong, and empty-headed, brand
of Christianity that the fundies in Southern California were espousing.

Dylan later recorded two more albums in his so-called "gospel period":
"Saved" and "Shot of Love." To clear up a popular misconception among
some Christians, however, Dylan has never renounced his faith in Christ.
In fact, to my cynical heart, he has reaffirmed it with better, deeper,
more congenial testimonies to faith since he left the fold.

I would be happy to entertain people who disagree with my assertions.
Flame away!

NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART

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Apr 29, 1993, 12:35:31 PM4/29/93
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In article <C693...@news.udel.edu> bara...@bach.udel.edu (Barabbas) writes:
>glad you brought it up.
>what's up with dylan - he played with keith green?
>also, maybe this is another thread, but can anyone document
>dylan's Christian stage? i had heard that something

Bob Dylan played a harmonica on a Keith Green tune. I don't remember which one,
I'm thinking "So You Wanna Go Back to Egypt" (kinda humorous now if that was it)
, but I can't remember any harmonica parts in that song (they're may very well
be, I just can't remember parts except the clean funky blues guitar and the
little latin percussion thing that sounds like a ruler held off the end of a
table, slapped, and then drawn in across the table. whatever, maybe a vibra slap
?) The other potential one is "Pledge My Head to Heaven", but Kieth may have
played that solo.

Bob Dylan at one time professed to be a Christian, and even recorded the song
"Gotta Serve Somebody" after that. I've heard the he switched to Judaism later,
but I can't say that with total certainty. Not only did Larry make references,
Steve Taylor did too. "Meltdown at Madame Toussaud's (sp?)" has the line in it
"Dylan may be fillin' the puddle they designed, Is it gonna take a miracle to
make up his mind?" in the verse about the "rock n' roll hotel".

Nathan Stewart

Steve Hultquist

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Apr 29, 1993, 11:41:56 AM4/29/93
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> Many people, myself included feel that Vineyard used Dylan's conversion
> as a P.R. coup d'etat for their organization and agenda.

I have no idea if this is true, but it would surprise me. Knowing John Wimber
as I do (not personally, mind you, but I've been close to him and conversed
with him a number of times), this doesn't make much sense. Wimber has never
*had* an agenda, which is one of the reasons that the Vineyard movement is
going through some major upheaval right now.

Regardless, though, I understand the lack of maturity there, and I certainly
hope that Mr. Dylan has had the opportunity to grow in his faith.

BTW, where does Larry Norman come in to all this?
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Dave Franks

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Apr 30, 1993, 10:30:21 AM4/30/93
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> In 1978, Dylan first felt like Jesus had spoken to him, in some
> sense, and in early '79 he attended a "Bible School" sponsored by
> a fundamentalist Christian organization in Southern California called
> the Vineyard Fellowship. (This was his first mistake.)


I thought that "fundamentalists" were those people who tend to be kind of
legalistic, like to argue fine points of the scripture, focussing on the rules
(or what they interpret as rules) of the Bible, and sometimes forgetting the
love/acceptance that Jesus showed to people.

I read someone's reply which mentioned that the "Vineyard Fellowship" was the
group that John Wimber is a leader in. From my encounters with the group, they
are charismatic, layed back, and have a message of "come as you are and we will
accept you". They are a Bible believing church and I personally feel that Wimber
is an excellent teacher. The word "fundamentalist", kind of threw me though.
Are we talking about the same group?

Back to Dylan. The "Christian" music which he wrote was very powerful. I pray
that God will work in his life and produce some more of this.
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Robert Davis

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Apr 30, 1993, 1:19:56 PM4/30/93
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In article <95...@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6...@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE) writes:
>
>Dylan later recorded two more albums in his so-called "gospel period":
>"Saved" and "Shot of Love." To clear up a popular misconception among
>some Christians, however, Dylan has never renounced his faith in Christ.
>In fact, to my cynical heart, he has reaffirmed it with better, deeper,
>more congenial testimonies to faith since he left the fold.
>

Well, I'm not very familiar with Dylan's body of work, in fact
the only album I actually own is Oh Mercy from about 4 years ago.
Maybe I'm too young. But I must say that Oh Mercy is a wonderful
album that leaves me with few questions about Dylan's faith, all the
while retaining the worldly wisdom ("Man in the Long Black Coat" and
"Most of the Time" come to mind) that I gather most fans feel is
lacking from the "saved era" albums.


Rob
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Sue Overholser

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Apr 30, 1993, 11:54:48 AM4/30/93
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In article <SSH.93Ap...@snow.boulder.ibm.com>,

s...@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist) wrote:
>
> > Many people, myself included feel that Vineyard used Dylan's conversion
> > as a P.R. coup d'etat for their organization and agenda.
>
> I have no idea if this is true, but it would surprise me. Knowing John Wimber
> as I do (not personally, mind you, but I've been close to him and conversed
> with him a number of times), this doesn't make much sense. Wimber has never
> *had* an agenda, which is one of the reasons that the Vineyard movement is
> going through some major upheaval right now.
>
> Regardless, though, I understand the lack of maturity there, and I certainly
> hope that Mr. Dylan has had the opportunity to grow in his faith.
>
> BTW, where does Larry Norman come in to all this?

Brent White said this:

In 1978, Dylan first felt like Jesus had spoken to him, in some
sense, and in early '79 he attended a "Bible School" sponsored by
a fundamentalist Christian organization in Southern California called
the Vineyard Fellowship. (This was his first mistake.)


First of all, people must refrain from "flaming" about churches and making
judgements about them. I attend a Vineyard currently and it is definitely
not a fundamentalist Christian organization. It is a terrific church where
Jesus Christ is preached and healing is sought.

In the CD jacket of Larry Norman's "In Another Land", William Ayers writes
(used without permission):


"Larry started One Way Records in 1970, Solid Rock Records in 1974, and a
Bible study in his home called The Vineyard which grew to become a
denomination with more than three hundred churches in different parts of
the world. Bob Dylan became a Christian at the Vineyard Bible Study.
Earlier Keith Green, also a Jew, was introduced to Larry and became a
convert to Christianity and compelled another friend, Randy Stonehill, to
go to meetings with him. After a false start in "Norman's Kitchen," and
four years of conversation with Larry, Stonehill finally cemented his
committment to Jesus at The Vineyard. Years later when John Wimber was
absorbing more of the leadership for The Vineyard Christian Fellowship, Ken
Gulliksen, who had originally led the Bible studies in Larry's home, met a
new British convert and encouraged him to "plant a church" in his own
community. That convert was Dave Markee, the bass player for Eric
Clapton's band......"

The Vineyard had a major role in forming the faith of these four men and
planting the seeds in many, many more. Also, these guys formed the basis
of CCM.

I would be interested in hearing why Brent has something against the
Vineyard.
Maybe he has his own agenda, hmmmm......

In Christ,

Sue

email: sue....@applelink.apple.com

WHITE,BRENT LANE

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Apr 30, 1993, 3:45:19 PM4/30/93
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> I would be interested in hearing why Brent has something against the
> Vineyard.
> Maybe he has his own agenda, hmmmm......

My only agenda is seeing to it that people on this newsgroup speak
accurately about a musician who has touched my life very deeply.

I know next to nothing about Vineyard except what I've read from Dylan's
biographers. They have described it as "fundamentalist." Ken Gullicksen
is the name of the pastor associated with Dylan's conversion. I've never
heard of Wimber.

The consensus among the people who've researched the subject say that
Gullicksen and others in the church played a role in Dylan's decision
to ban his "secular" material from his concerts at the time, and for
his preaching from the stage. They were pulling Dylan's strings.

Another minister from Vineyard, Larry Myers, became the road "chaplain."
According to Gullicksen, Myers had a big influence over the lyrics Dylan
was writing. "Larry was often the backboard for Bob to share the lyrics."

Personally, I consider those few years a destructive time in Dylan's
career. It was one of those instances where, I believe, more people
were turned away from the message of the gospel than were turned on
to it.


>
> In Christ,
>
> Sue
>
> email: sue....@applelink.apple.com

CHO

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May 1, 1993, 5:01:58 AM5/1/93
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Actually I heard Keith Green also witnessed to Dylan a number of
times...and his music was apparently a great source of encouragement
to Dylan...I remember hearing about this or reading about this
in his biography....

By the way, how many of the Eric Clapton band were saved? Aside
from Markee...I'm thinking his drummer did also... Is that true?
I get to wondering if Eric will ever come back to God...

JC...@nmsu.edu

Brian D. Carlson

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May 2, 1993, 5:58:39 PM5/2/93
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To clear up all the confusion, or to add to it.

As far as I remember the story, it was Jimi Hendrix on the Dick
Cavet Show.

Dick: How does it feel to be the worlds greatest guitar player.
Jimi: I'm not.
Dick: Well then who is?
Jimi: Phil Keaggy, but you wouldn't know him, he's a Christian.

It may be an Urban legend, but I told the story to man who is
not a Christian, and he told me he remembers seeing it. There was also
a Hendrix special on TV in which Dick and Jimi made up much of the non
musical part. Maybe one could find an archive of the Dick/Jimi
encounter, and verify.

Brian Carlson

Arthur Marsh

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Apr 30, 1993, 2:33:16 PM4/30/93
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On Wed 28 Apr at 16:25 Barabbas wrote:

B> From: bara...@bach.udel.edu (Barabbas)

B> i have decided to add to the fray.
B> I heard the quote was phil keaggy was the *shortest* guitar
B> player in the world - nothing about being the best
B> guitarist... of course, i may just be adding to this
B> urban legend, anyway :-P

Keaggy isn't that tall, but neither is Randall Waller (guitarist/vocalist who
recently appeared on David Zaffiro's 3rd album).

* Origin: Camelot Swamp MJCNA, Hawthorndene, Sth Australia (8:7000/8)

Roger Chaplin

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May 3, 1993, 12:53:36 PM5/3/93
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CHO (jc...@dante.nmsu.edu) wrote:
: By the way, how many of the Eric Clapton band were saved?

Well, I know that a couple of years ago bassist Nathan East (a
believer) was touring with Clapton. I don't know when he got saved.

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"For the lines are long and the fighting is strong and they're breakin'
down the distance between right and wrong."
- Bob Dylan, "Ring Them Bells"

Janne Salmi

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May 4, 1993, 9:11:24 AM5/4/93
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In article <1993May3.1...@keinstr.uucp> cha...@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin) writes:

-> CHO (jc...@dante.nmsu.edu) wrote:
-> : By the way, how many of the Eric Clapton band were saved?

-> Well, I know that a couple of years ago bassist Nathan East (a
-> believer) was touring with Clapton. I don't know when he got saved.

This has been discussed before, but who cares...
Greg Phillinganes, the keyboardist/backup singer is also a Christian.


/janne

Jackie Gratrix

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May 6, 1993, 10:08:39 AM5/6/93
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Janne...@hut.fi (Janne Salmi) writes:

I remember hearing about 10 year ago that Clapton played some
of the guitar on an album put out by a young CCM artist. I
think his name was Bryn Haworth, but I'm not sure (it's been
a long time). Can anyone verify if this is true?

Jackie

David J. MacKenzie

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May 6, 1993, 8:45:44 AM5/6/93
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On Thu, 6 May 1993 14:08:39 GMT, gra...@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jackie Gratrix) said:

Jackie> I remember hearing about 10 year ago that Clapton played some
Jackie> of the guitar on an album put out by a young CCM artist. I
Jackie> think his name was Bryn Haworth, but I'm not sure (it's been
Jackie> a long time). Can anyone verify if this is true?

You have it backwards. Brynn Haworth is a Christian blues guitarist;
it was Clapton's band (at that time) who played on Brynn's album, _The
Gap_, not Clapton himself. This was in the early 80's. The liner
notes mentioned that the band members were in a time of spiritual
transition; at least one of them had recently become a Christian.

Steve Plemmons

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May 6, 1993, 3:21:27 PM5/6/93
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In article <95...@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6...@prism.gatech.EDU (Brent Lane White) writes:
>Claude Anderson wrote:
>

>
>I used to entertain these "guitar hero" questions in high school: Who
>really is the best rock guitarist of all time? (A few years ago the
>critics at Spin magazine gave that distinction to Richard Thompson
>(Linda's ex). From what I've heard, they might be right.)
>
>Who are the really great (or at least good) guitarists in Contemporary
>Christian, besides Keaggy?
>
>
>--
>Brent White
>Georgia Institute of Technology
>gt6...@prism.gatech.edu


How bout Tony Palacios (sp?) from Guardian?

On another note, have you guys heard about the two child prodigy guitar players
in the news lately? One is a ten year old from australia that plays blues. He
was featured on Entertainment tonight and in Time Magazine. When asked about
girls, he said, "My mom is my girlfreind, I like being with my mom". Indint dat
cute!?! The other I read about in MIX magazine this month. Some kid that is
about 15 if I remember right. He is so good that some L.A. firm has paid all
expenses to form a group of young guys around him and get an album out. Lot of
money involved I guess.

I was really impressed with the ten year old. He seemed to not be affected by
all his new found fame at all. He just landed a movie deal here in the states
about a band that is brought back to life by a kid guitar player.

When asked about playing concerts he replied, "I just close my eyes and
everything I got just goes into my guitar".

See Ya,

Steve

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